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	<title>Comments on: Principi&#8217;s Plan Backfires</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/</link>
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		<title>By: Judy T.</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63768</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63768</guid>
		<description>I am so sick of the illegals hanging out of Route 1.   I guess the shadows where they hide must mean the shadow cast by the building and trees.  I certainly see them.  Sort of makes me wish for a brake failure by  a dump truck or garbage truck speeding down Route 1.

Except our tax dollars would have to cover the medical bills and no doubt the injured would sue and take any settlement back to Mexico without paying their bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sick of the illegals hanging out of Route 1.   I guess the shadows where they hide must mean the shadow cast by the building and trees.  I certainly see them.  Sort of makes me wish for a brake failure by  a dump truck or garbage truck speeding down Route 1.</p>
<p>Except our tax dollars would have to cover the medical bills and no doubt the injured would sue and take any settlement back to Mexico without paying their bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in PWC</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63477</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in PWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63477</guid>
		<description>Did the COP give any stats for the number of arrests of illegals for the month of April last night?

I think the illegals think they won, there were over 25 day laborers squatting and standing at the Coverstone 7-11 this morning at 7:30</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the COP give any stats for the number of arrests of illegals for the month of April last night?</p>
<p>I think the illegals think they won, there were over 25 day laborers squatting and standing at the Coverstone 7-11 this morning at 7:30</p>
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		<title>By: dmg</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63472</link>
		<dc:creator>dmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63472</guid>
		<description>I posted this some time back. If funding the resolution is an issue the county does have a way for us to actually help pay for the initiative. This info is from the county itself and a BOS member. If you ever said "send me the bill" then here it is.

Monetary contributions should be sent to: 
Prince William CountyDirector of Finance1 
County Complex Court
Woodbridge VA 22192 

Checks should be made payable to "Prince William County" and should
clearly state that the donation is for legal expenditures and/or enforcement expenditures related to illegal immigration. Cash donations can be accepted, but we will need to provide the donor a receipt, which necessitates the donor coming into the McCoart Building. So checks are preferred. To this point, we have not had a business need to accept credit card donations, so at least in the short term a check is the most expedient method for us to deal with donations. 

The Finance Department will track all donations/contributions, including the donor's name and address, and segregate the contributions in the accounting records. Donations must be formally accepted by the BOCS at a regular meeting. Obviously the frequency of BOCS action to accept donations depends on the number and dollar volume of contributions. Contact Steve Ferlotti at ext 7459 if you or your staff has anyquestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this some time back. If funding the resolution is an issue the county does have a way for us to actually help pay for the initiative. This info is from the county itself and a BOS member. If you ever said &#8220;send me the bill&#8221; then here it is.</p>
<p>Monetary contributions should be sent to:<br />
Prince William CountyDirector of Finance1<br />
County Complex Court<br />
Woodbridge VA 22192 </p>
<p>Checks should be made payable to &#8220;Prince William County&#8221; and should<br />
clearly state that the donation is for legal expenditures and/or enforcement expenditures related to illegal immigration. Cash donations can be accepted, but we will need to provide the donor a receipt, which necessitates the donor coming into the McCoart Building. So checks are preferred. To this point, we have not had a business need to accept credit card donations, so at least in the short term a check is the most expedient method for us to deal with donations. </p>
<p>The Finance Department will track all donations/contributions, including the donor&#8217;s name and address, and segregate the contributions in the accounting records. Donations must be formally accepted by the BOCS at a regular meeting. Obviously the frequency of BOCS action to accept donations depends on the number and dollar volume of contributions. Contact Steve Ferlotti at ext 7459 if you or your staff has anyquestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63467</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63467</guid>
		<description>Not funded:
Description -  e requested funding and
positions for this enhancement to the Criminal
Alien Unit for FY 09 includes 6 sworn FTE’s
and 1 civilian FTE for FY 09 to support patrol
time necessary for immigration investigations and
coordination with ICE.
________________________________________________________
Funding continued for Criminal Alien Unit:
Description - As part of Res. No. 07-894, the Board
of County Supervisors authorized the creation
of seven (7) FTE’s in the Police Department to
create the Criminal Alien Unit in FY 08.  is
request provides full year funding for the originial
seven positions created in FY 08 to support patrol
time necessary for immigration investigations and
coordination with ICE.  is requested funding
also provides for training of staff , public education
regarding the enforcement of this resolution and
a two-phased tracking, evaluation and monitoring
process. Quantifi able trends and statistics will
also be maintained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not funded:<br />
Description -  e requested funding and<br />
positions for this enhancement to the Criminal<br />
Alien Unit for FY 09 includes 6 sworn FTE’s<br />
and 1 civilian FTE for FY 09 to support patrol<br />
time necessary for immigration investigations and<br />
coordination with ICE.<br />
________________________________________________________<br />
Funding continued for Criminal Alien Unit:<br />
Description - As part of Res. No. 07-894, the Board<br />
of County Supervisors authorized the creation<br />
of seven (7) FTE’s in the Police Department to<br />
create the Criminal Alien Unit in FY 08.  is<br />
request provides full year funding for the originial<br />
seven positions created in FY 08 to support patrol<br />
time necessary for immigration investigations and<br />
coordination with ICE.  is requested funding<br />
also provides for training of staff , public education<br />
regarding the enforcement of this resolution and<br />
a two-phased tracking, evaluation and monitoring<br />
process. Quantifi able trends and statistics will<br />
also be maintained.</p>
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		<title>By: Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63466</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63466</guid>
		<description>It's Criminal Alien Unit and those additional officers were funded.  It was the other officers that weren't - those for the Patrol Precints.

The Criminal Alien Unit was staffed in October as part of the BIG resolution.   The 09 budget includes a commentary on them, it funds them again in 09.  When they were added in October it was only for this fiscal year which ends in June.  To keep paying them, they had to add money for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Criminal Alien Unit and those additional officers were funded.  It was the other officers that weren&#8217;t - those for the Patrol Precints.</p>
<p>The Criminal Alien Unit was staffed in October as part of the BIG resolution.   The 09 budget includes a commentary on them, it funds them again in 09.  When they were added in October it was only for this fiscal year which ends in June.  To keep paying them, they had to add money for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63463</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63463</guid>
		<description>They way I see it, we have implemented the 287g program, and nothing more.  

Just business as usual at the 'ol PWPD, and the officers from the Illegal Criminal Alien unit got their old jobs back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They way I see it, we have implemented the 287g program, and nothing more.  </p>
<p>Just business as usual at the &#8216;ol PWPD, and the officers from the Illegal Criminal Alien unit got their old jobs back.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63453</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63453</guid>
		<description>Ari,
I agree the numbers will dwindle. I can't wait to see how the spin goes and who/what will be to blame then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari,<br />
I agree the numbers will dwindle. I can&#8217;t wait to see how the spin goes and who/what will be to blame then.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63449</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63449</guid>
		<description>Number don't lie, people do.  

Watch as the number of arrests and deportations decline over the next couple of months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number don&#8217;t lie, people do.  </p>
<p>Watch as the number of arrests and deportations decline over the next couple of months.</p>
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		<title>By: Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63446</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63446</guid>
		<description>If he can't legally tell all of them not to check, then what is the purpose of 
287(g) authority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he can&#8217;t legally tell all of them not to check, then what is the purpose of<br />
287(g) authority?</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor Baby</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63439</link>
		<dc:creator>Anchor Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63439</guid>
		<description>They aren't being restricted.  In fact, the wording suggests that the Board is bowing to the experience of the officer in question and trusting his judgement as to ask the question or not.  There is no restriction or penalty on the officer as he can ask any question he wants to a person being held, detained or arrested.

Now, I concede that if there is no rule that says an officer HAS to do something that he will - that's human nature.  We get by doing the minimum.  But, in terms of how they wrote it, I don't see 8 USC 1373 being used as a wedge.

Either way, if a person is only being questioned (consenual encounter) the person can simply walk away without answering any questions.  Which I would fight against changing as this impacts lawful gun owners in Virginia that choose to carry openly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They aren&#8217;t being restricted.  In fact, the wording suggests that the Board is bowing to the experience of the officer in question and trusting his judgement as to ask the question or not.  There is no restriction or penalty on the officer as he can ask any question he wants to a person being held, detained or arrested.</p>
<p>Now, I concede that if there is no rule that says an officer HAS to do something that he will - that&#8217;s human nature.  We get by doing the minimum.  But, in terms of how they wrote it, I don&#8217;t see 8 USC 1373 being used as a wedge.</p>
<p>Either way, if a person is only being questioned (consenual encounter) the person can simply walk away without answering any questions.  Which I would fight against changing as this impacts lawful gun owners in Virginia that choose to carry openly.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63437</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63437</guid>
		<description>8 USC 1373(a):

"Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official &lt;b&gt;may not prohibit&lt;/b&gt;, or in any way restrict, &lt;b&gt;any government entity or official&lt;/b&gt; from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual."

And this would not apply to a police officer in regards to an interaction with someone who might be an illegal alien?  Nice try.  Deane cannot legally tell his officers they may not check a suspects' immigration status under any circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 USC 1373(a):</p>
<p>&#8220;Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official <b>may not prohibit</b>, or in any way restrict, <b>any government entity or official</b> from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this would not apply to a police officer in regards to an interaction with someone who might be an illegal alien?  Nice try.  Deane cannot legally tell his officers they may not check a suspects&#8217; immigration status under any circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor Baby</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63435</link>
		<dc:creator>Anchor Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63435</guid>
		<description>PWC is in compliance with 8 USC 1373 if the jail provides the information to ICE.  The County could also be seen as in compliance by saying that at the disgression of the officer, an officer can inquire into legal status.

Since they're saying legally to a LEO, we will not restrict you from asking if you feel that you need to or want to ask about legal status and you can report that to whomever but we will not require it.

If they put in a resolution that directs a LEO to NOT ever ask that would be in violation.  But, saying that it's not required but we won't stop you can be argued as being in full compliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PWC is in compliance with 8 USC 1373 if the jail provides the information to ICE.  The County could also be seen as in compliance by saying that at the disgression of the officer, an officer can inquire into legal status.</p>
<p>Since they&#8217;re saying legally to a LEO, we will not restrict you from asking if you feel that you need to or want to ask about legal status and you can report that to whomever but we will not require it.</p>
<p>If they put in a resolution that directs a LEO to NOT ever ask that would be in violation.  But, saying that it&#8217;s not required but we won&#8217;t stop you can be argued as being in full compliance.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63432</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63432</guid>
		<description>If officers are being told they cannot inquire about the immigration status of a suspect, that would be a violation of Federal Law, namely 8 USC 1373.  I kind of doubt the Chief is that dumb, but I'll check on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If officers are being told they cannot inquire about the immigration status of a suspect, that would be a violation of Federal Law, namely 8 USC 1373.  I kind of doubt the Chief is that dumb, but I&#8217;ll check on this.</p>
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		<title>By: disgusted</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63431</link>
		<dc:creator>disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63431</guid>
		<description>For those of you that have been sold the bill of goods that the policy has been enhanced, unfortunately you will only have to wait to see how the police department changes it rules in light of the changes made yesterday.  You don't seem to want to believe you have been misled.  I understand that emotion.  The reality is I hear parts of the current policy have already been verbally amended and officers will no longer make immigration inquiries of anyone unless they are under arrest.  If you re-read the statistics from the police, you would see many of the people who were illegal were identified as such and that information was passed on to ICE, even though they were not arrested at that time.  Now, that will no longer occur.  If you go back to and review last year what policy the chief of police wanted the Board to adopt, it was that the checks only be run on people who are arrested and go to jail.  Almost 100% of the people arrested and not immediately released go to the ADC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you that have been sold the bill of goods that the policy has been enhanced, unfortunately you will only have to wait to see how the police department changes it rules in light of the changes made yesterday.  You don&#8217;t seem to want to believe you have been misled.  I understand that emotion.  The reality is I hear parts of the current policy have already been verbally amended and officers will no longer make immigration inquiries of anyone unless they are under arrest.  If you re-read the statistics from the police, you would see many of the people who were illegal were identified as such and that information was passed on to ICE, even though they were not arrested at that time.  Now, that will no longer occur.  If you go back to and review last year what policy the chief of police wanted the Board to adopt, it was that the checks only be run on people who are arrested and go to jail.  Almost 100% of the people arrested and not immediately released go to the ADC.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor Baby</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63425</link>
		<dc:creator>Anchor Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63425</guid>
		<description>Patty,

The Founders believed that the right to be armed was because standing armies were seen as dangerous to a republic; for self-defense and preservation and to rebel against a government that went against the will of the people (the powers of the government granted by the consent of those governed).

The SCOTUS ruling for the Indiana law has a negligle effect in Virginia since no ID is required to vote in Virginia.  A person can Affirm thier identity and vote.  An ID should not be required to perform all the various little things we do on a daily basis.  We live in America not the Peoples Repulic of China.

When people say that they WANT the police to have more powers or to require people to show IDs to do things as simple as enter a federal building (that building is owned by me, the taxpayer) they are giving up their rights and providing the government with more powers.

I agree that we need to manage the immigration issue and do so in a way that doesn't violate the law (federal and state) but doing so by losing rights or giving them up is unacceptible.  As Americans we should fight against any attempt to have our law enforcement officers force persons to identify themselves.  I say again, we live in the USA not Cold War Russia.

Saying that not all people are honest are law abiding doesn't really say anything.  In our system of law, all persons are considered innocent until proven guilty.

REAL ID is a smack across the face of every American.  An ID card will never, ever stop an act of terrorism as that ID has to be interpreted by a person and that person can always make a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty,</p>
<p>The Founders believed that the right to be armed was because standing armies were seen as dangerous to a republic; for self-defense and preservation and to rebel against a government that went against the will of the people (the powers of the government granted by the consent of those governed).</p>
<p>The SCOTUS ruling for the Indiana law has a negligle effect in Virginia since no ID is required to vote in Virginia.  A person can Affirm thier identity and vote.  An ID should not be required to perform all the various little things we do on a daily basis.  We live in America not the Peoples Repulic of China.</p>
<p>When people say that they WANT the police to have more powers or to require people to show IDs to do things as simple as enter a federal building (that building is owned by me, the taxpayer) they are giving up their rights and providing the government with more powers.</p>
<p>I agree that we need to manage the immigration issue and do so in a way that doesn&#8217;t violate the law (federal and state) but doing so by losing rights or giving them up is unacceptible.  As Americans we should fight against any attempt to have our law enforcement officers force persons to identify themselves.  I say again, we live in the USA not Cold War Russia.</p>
<p>Saying that not all people are honest are law abiding doesn&#8217;t really say anything.  In our system of law, all persons are considered innocent until proven guilty.</p>
<p>REAL ID is a smack across the face of every American.  An ID card will never, ever stop an act of terrorism as that ID has to be interpreted by a person and that person can always make a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63420</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63420</guid>
		<description>Anchor Baby,

Welcome to the changed world after 9/11.  By the way, public safety was always paramount in the eyes of the Founding Fathers.  Do you remember the amendment that gives us a right to bear arms?

Also real ID will take effect real soon.  All states have to comply.  You will not be able to get into a government building unless you have a valid ID.  Also the Supreme Court upheld Indianna law on voter ID.

You would have to agree that not all people are honest and law abiding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anchor Baby,</p>
<p>Welcome to the changed world after 9/11.  By the way, public safety was always paramount in the eyes of the Founding Fathers.  Do you remember the amendment that gives us a right to bear arms?</p>
<p>Also real ID will take effect real soon.  All states have to comply.  You will not be able to get into a government building unless you have a valid ID.  Also the Supreme Court upheld Indianna law on voter ID.</p>
<p>You would have to agree that not all people are honest and law abiding.</p>
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		<title>By: starryflights</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63407</link>
		<dc:creator>starryflights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63407</guid>
		<description>We need to get a good hold on our crackdown on illegal immigration and then go after chain migration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to get a good hold on our crackdown on illegal immigration and then go after chain migration.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchor Baby</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63404</link>
		<dc:creator>Anchor Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63404</guid>
		<description>Patty,

From Prince William County.  I refuse to live in the Peoples Republik of Maryland nor will I work there.

However, it's uncomfortable to hear that so many people that claim to be 'conservative' are ok with the idea of the government or agents of the government (police) checking ID's randomly.  That flies in the face of what the Founders wanted for this nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty,</p>
<p>From Prince William County.  I refuse to live in the Peoples Republik of Maryland nor will I work there.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s uncomfortable to hear that so many people that claim to be &#8216;conservative&#8217; are ok with the idea of the government or agents of the government (police) checking ID&#8217;s randomly.  That flies in the face of what the Founders wanted for this nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63400</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63400</guid>
		<description>Anchor Baby,

Did you say you are from Prince Georges County Maryland?   Big difference between Maryland and Virginia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anchor Baby,</p>
<p>Did you say you are from Prince Georges County Maryland?   Big difference between Maryland and Virginia.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63397</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/30/principis-plan-backfires/#comment-63397</guid>
		<description>freedom,

Check out Greg's latest thread that will help you.

Anchor Baby,

There are still loitering laws on the books.  It also looks like the General Assembly has strengthen those laws this past session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freedom,</p>
<p>Check out Greg&#8217;s latest thread that will help you.</p>
<p>Anchor Baby,</p>
<p>There are still loitering laws on the books.  It also looks like the General Assembly has strengthen those laws this past session.</p>
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