Well, there are self described republicans out there supporting Obama. Even though, Obama has not shown one thread of evidence of anything Republican in his life or public office and pretty much stands against anything a Republican would. In other words, I think those people if they were to do a self assessment on their political views they might come up with a another way to describe their political views. Not saying you should, because as we know, you do not like me to make suggestions……

Do you really think by telling someone they should take gun safety course and buy a gun is an endorsement for mentally ill people to do so? You also forget the instant background check that is done and the fact people have to list any mental health issues. If they are going to lie about that to get a gun, I don’t think you have to worry about my suggestion.

I learned that by living in Manassas Park….

I am not discussing illegal aliens. You and I established a long time ago that we do not see eye to eye on this issue. Why keep bringing it up?

I am discussing telling people you don’t know to go get a gun. I am all for responsible gun ownership by mentally well adults if that is what they chose to do. I do believe in gun laws. If that conflicts with your interpretation of the 2nd amendment that’s ok. We will both get over it. I suggest not discussing it. Remember, I have never denied being anything but a moderate. I expect you probably find that very liberal.

Josh,

Which reservation? I do love Arizona. I haven’t made it out there this year yet. The year is still young though.

yeah I come from AZ, Guns are tools for the most part out there on the reservation in which I was raised. Not uncommon to see people toting them around open and most people dont care. They are tools, just like hammers and nails. Suprisingly on the reservation most gun issues happen when guns and alcohol mix, which incidentally is the same outside the reservation. I’ve taken multiple fire arms courses, in addition to my professional training and you can never ereally get enough.

Just go back to flip flopping on your support for illegals.

I very much support the Bill of Rights, which include gun ownership. Now, I suppose if I suggested someone go jump off a bridge, you would have an issue with that, because by gosh, they would do it just because I suggested it.

Common sense says that if one witnesses a fight between 1 and many people, law enforcement is not on the scene, something should be done to include using the right to defend the life of someone on the short end of a fight or rape, etc.

Though, I’ll keep your suggestion in mind and I do hope that if you are ever in a situation of immediate assistance, you will have the clarity of mind to tell any possible onlookers to keep their guns holstered as to avoid making a political point since obviously they would only want to pull their guns for that reason only.

I never said there was anything wrong with taking a firearms course. I totally believe in them.

As for you no longer cooperating with the police, I seriously hope you don’t mean that. I don’t care what your ethnicity is, we all need to cooperate with the police, otherwise, let’s just go for anarchy.

To all,

What I question is encouraging people you don’t know to go get a gun. If that is liberal….so be it. There are age limits and sanity implications. What people say to people they do know certainly wouldn’t be included in my concerns unless the person has a history of mental illness or is under aged.

Josh, you make perfect sense. Weren’t you raise in AZ? I have found, in most cases, certainly not all, that people raised in the west have much more common sense about gun use and don’t use the gun as an extension of their personal being or to prove a political point nearly so much as their eastern counterparts.

I think I put in a couple of cavets, and said I would take a couple of more steps first, unless I saw some serious beating going on. I could have said I would just pull out the gun first and then call law enforcment.

Anchor,

Yup, one has to be careful these days.

Sounds like you carry safely. I just wanted to make sure that everyone here knows the difference between protecting yourself and defense of another and putting yourself into the line of fire (physically and legally).

Dolph, there is nothing wrong with a person taking a firearms course and understanding the mechanisms of how a firearm functions and the legality of it’s use. Personally, when I purchased my first .40 I had 0 training or knowledge of how to use a firearm but I wanted to carry it after the immigration resolution passed. I then learned how to use it, acquired more, and now am much more proficient in the legalities of firearm ownership.

The one thing that the immigration resolution taught me is don’t trust the government. As a latino and as a citizen I now will no longer cooperate with the police and I’m armed to protect myself and family.

Scenario two:
Give the man a bottle of whisky, take the woman home with you and hope for the best.

Scenario one:
Need more information…. Are there any females involved?

I intervened into a fight with a few kids kicking the crud out of another about a few years back, I was armed. However I drove my car into the vicinity, and squealed my tires. Kids thought I was PD and split, I called the PD to assist the beaten kid. Not once were firearms involved. There are other ways, never said to not assist someone just to do it prudently and without thinking guns hot all the time.

I do believe the law states you can enter the situation as a 3rd party, and not worry about having or not having stood your ground. That is what is silly about the law, you can enter into a fight you did not start or was not a part from the start of it, but if you use you gun at being attacked by someone using lessor a weapon(s), you run the very real risk of being on the wrong side of the law, unless you can prove you were in fear for your life.

That is why many States have passed the Castle law, which allows one to stand their ground without first having to attempt to run or disengage from the attack.

Josh,

As I said if I was on the beating side, I would want someone to jump in. I have a CHP, but I also open carry when the urge strikes me.

Dolph,

Don’t get your shorts in a bunch. People will be washed out from the process if they meet what you are worried about. Here comes the liberal out of you, just like it does when it comes to the illegals.

Also, as far as mental state, if you have ever been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or mentally adjudicated for a crime, you cannot legally possess a firearm.

ditto on all. I’m all for helping people in need, but I’m not captain america. I’m also a Concealed carry permit holder but I would think twice in any situation before I come to an aid of a 3rd party. defending myself is one thing, defending another is a story all together. what would happen if BOTH people turned on you? I could take out one person, but what if the other decided to pull out a firearm when I was least expecting. You never know and thats why I would always err on the side of my safety. the CCW permit was issued to permit defense of myself. That’s the one person I know I can protect for sure. the police would tell you the same, for those that protect others..prepare for your day in court, and prepare to be arrested along with the assailant if you shoot someone no matter what the story until it all gets sorted out.

has nothing to do with putting tail between legs, being a coward, etc..it has to do with being sensible and keeping a cool head. I’ve been in law enforcement and those tactics are tried and true if you are not an officer of the law.

Because of how the laws are structured brandishing your firearm in scenerio 2 and 3 would likely bring the law against you.

While you are authorized to use deadly force to protect your life and the life of someone else; in those scenerio’s you’d be engaging in the confrontation (pressing the attack) and you’d be seen as the aggressor.

You ARE allowed to stand your ground but only after you’ve made it known you are not interested in a confrontation and you have declared yourself a non-combatant.

Yes, the rules suck but thems the breaks.

Keep the pistol in your holster (hopefully you open carry), observe what’s happening and summon law enforcement to deal with the issue. If a person’s life is truly in danger you can engage but be prepared to defend yourself in court.