Comments on: Illegal Aliens And The Sub-Prime Mortgage Meltdown http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:29:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: madmom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64920 madmom Fri, 16 May 2008 00:37:51 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64920 I have told Layfayette about my suspicions of a tattle-tale in the zoning office....I even thought that maybe this person got "paid" if they tipped someone off - like a bribe. Who knows. I have called in several violations and I swear within HOURS there was activity clearing it up. This was a while ago. Lately, it seems they are taken care of correctly, and a few have been our favorite Hispanic inspector. I have noticed on some, that after the case is closed, that the problem returns after the heat dies down..... I just call again. I have told Layfayette about my suspicions of a tattle-tale in the zoning office….I even thought that maybe this person got “paid” if they tipped someone off - like a bribe. Who knows.

I have called in several violations and I swear within
HOURS there was activity clearing it up. This was a while ago. Lately, it seems they are taken care of correctly, and a few have been our favorite Hispanic
inspector.

I have noticed on some, that after the case is closed,
that the problem returns after the heat dies down…..
I just call again.

]]> By: jfk http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64873 jfk Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:59 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64873 Good advice, bubberella. Thanks. Good advice, bubberella. Thanks.

]]> By: bubberella http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64869 bubberella Thu, 15 May 2008 13:25:40 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64869 JFK I have a similar issue in my neighborhood -- my next-doors have two pit-bull mixes that "escape" their yard frequently. One is a pit-bull/great dane mix, so the fence means nothing to him. I talked to the neighbors after one of the dogs charged through my screen door to try to attack my old hound. They were going to use an invisable fence or build a higher fence, but they didn't do anything. So I started calling animal control. Of course there were strained relationships after that, but they're keeping their dogs confined better after repeated calls. I still may not want to hang out with them, but their presence as my neighbors is less objectionable when they started complying with the county ordinance against letting their dogs run loose. Part of the reason I think I developed an effective relationship with animal control is that I didn't call them "white trash" or bring up every inconvenience or grievance I had with their home day care business or messy lawn or drunken parties. I stick to the issue that the officer can deal with -- there are loose dogs in the neighborhood. Call the zoning enforcement again. It's a pain to have to keep calling when the neighbors KNOW that it's their responsibility to keep their dogs up, but repeated enforcement eventually works. JFK

I have a similar issue in my neighborhood — my next-doors have two pit-bull mixes that “escape” their yard frequently. One is a pit-bull/great dane mix, so the fence means nothing to him.

I talked to the neighbors after one of the dogs charged through my screen door to try to attack my old hound. They were going to use an invisable fence or build a higher fence, but they didn’t do anything. So I started calling animal control. Of course there were strained relationships after that, but they’re keeping their dogs confined better after repeated calls. I still may not want to hang out with them, but their presence as my neighbors is less objectionable when they started complying with the county ordinance against letting their dogs run loose.

Part of the reason I think I developed an effective relationship with animal control is that I didn’t call them “white trash” or bring up every inconvenience or grievance I had with their home day care business or messy lawn or drunken parties. I stick to the issue that the officer can deal with — there are loose dogs in the neighborhood.

Call the zoning enforcement again. It’s a pain to have to keep calling when the neighbors KNOW that it’s their responsibility to keep their dogs up, but repeated enforcement eventually works.

]]> By: Dave in PWC http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64813 Dave in PWC Thu, 15 May 2008 00:46:48 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64813 Sounds like something fishy is going on in the zoning inspectors office, I think that Cory and others should be emailed with your concerns and let the proper authorities handle it, or maybe a tip to the ICE hotline saying that you think a county employee is tipping off zoning law breakers. Sounds like something fishy is going on in the zoning inspectors office, I think that Cory and others should be emailed with your concerns and let the proper authorities handle it, or maybe a tip to the ICE hotline saying that you think a county employee is tipping off zoning law breakers.

]]> By: jfk http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64763 jfk Wed, 14 May 2008 16:51:20 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64763 Bubberella, I went through this process before with one of the complaints. The boarder moved out, waited for the situation to cool down, and is now back again. This is not a remedy to me. Why have zoning inspectors if these things can just be handled with a phone call? Seems likely to me that this was a tipoff to prevent the inspector from finding anything, and therefore not being able to create a record for the property showing a violation. Bubberella, I went through this process before with one of the complaints. The boarder moved out, waited for the situation to cool down, and is now back again. This is not a remedy to me. Why have zoning inspectors if these things can just be handled with a phone call? Seems likely to me that this was a tipoff to prevent the inspector from finding anything, and therefore not being able to create a record for the property showing a violation.

]]> By: Advocator http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64753 Advocator Wed, 14 May 2008 15:15:16 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64753 A fact that our zoning inspectors and our Neighborhood Services Director need to be apprised of is that renting to or otherwise harboring illegal aliens is a felony under federal law (8 USC 1324). If, during the course of their duties, they have reason to believe that law is being violated, they should be reporting that suspicion to the appropriate authorities, just as it would be their duty if they ran across suspected child abuse or the violation of any other law. That same law makes aiding and abetting the harboring of an illegal a felony. If a county employee tips off a landlord that someone may be investigating them, and that landlord is harboring illegals, it seems to me that the county employee is aiding and abetting the harboring of illegals. We may have a federal case here. I wonder if DoJ would be as interested in this situation as they were in the report that some of the little illegal darlings weren't getting schooled in Englais with as much intensity as some thought they should be. A fact that our zoning inspectors and our Neighborhood Services Director need to be apprised of is that renting to or otherwise harboring illegal aliens is a felony under federal law (8 USC 1324). If, during the course of their duties, they have reason to believe that law is being violated, they should be reporting that suspicion to the appropriate authorities, just as it would be their duty if they ran across suspected child abuse or the violation of any other law. That same law makes aiding and abetting the harboring of an illegal a felony. If a county employee tips off a landlord that someone may be investigating them, and that landlord is harboring illegals, it seems to me that the county employee is aiding and abetting the harboring of illegals. We may have a federal case here. I wonder if DoJ would be as interested in this situation as they were in the report that some of the little illegal darlings weren’t getting schooled in Englais with as much intensity as some thought they should be.

]]> By: bubberella http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64751 bubberella Wed, 14 May 2008 15:03:26 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64751 If a complaint gets the owner to remedy the situation, then what's the beef? Generally, I think it's better government to strive for voluntary compliance -- let the homeowner know there is a complaint and allow the homeowner to remedy it. Wouldn't you want this treatment if one of your neighbors made a complaint about you? If a complaint gets the owner to remedy the situation, then what’s the beef? Generally, I think it’s better government to strive for voluntary compliance — let the homeowner know there is a complaint and allow the homeowner to remedy it. Wouldn’t you want this treatment if one of your neighbors made a complaint about you?

]]> By: jfk http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64743 jfk Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:48 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64743 I filed two complaints for homes in my neighborhood (PWC, near Clover Hill Road in the Wellington area). One is for a house that I had complained about previously. Come to find, the owner had a full kitchen in the basement and two families living there. The kitchen was supposedly removed and one of the families asked to leave. That was a year ago, and now it looks like the owner is trying to bring in a second family. The second house is owned by a family from the Phillipines. They have a large extended family, and I don't have an issue with that. However, several new folks have started to appear. I filed the complaint two weeks ago, and completed the questionnaire yesterday. Last night a pickup showed up about 9:00 and two of the occupants began hurriedly moving a bedroom set, hampers of clothes, and other small furniture. They finished about 11:00. They were not taking any care to protect the furniture, they were getting the heck out. Greg, please send me Lafayette's email. I would like to get her story. If there are other stories of boarders getting "tipped off" I think our county rep should be informed and I will do so. I filed two complaints for homes in my neighborhood (PWC, near Clover Hill Road in the Wellington area). One is for a house that I had complained about previously. Come to find, the owner had a full kitchen in the basement and two families living there. The kitchen was supposedly removed and one of the families asked to leave. That was a year ago, and now it looks like the owner is trying to bring in a second family.

The second house is owned by a family from the Phillipines. They have a large extended family, and I don’t have an issue with that. However, several new folks have started to appear. I filed the complaint two weeks ago, and completed the questionnaire yesterday. Last night a pickup showed up about 9:00 and two of the occupants began hurriedly moving a bedroom set, hampers of clothes, and other small furniture. They finished about 11:00. They were not taking any care to protect the furniture, they were getting the heck out.

Greg, please send me Lafayette’s email. I would like to get her story. If there are other stories of boarders getting “tipped off” I think our county rep should be informed and I will do so.

]]> By: Lafayette http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64739 Lafayette Wed, 14 May 2008 11:52:37 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64739 Dave, You know it!! Dave,
You know it!!

]]> By: Dave in PWC http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64738 Dave in PWC Wed, 14 May 2008 11:35:07 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64738 Are y'all talking about our favorite bilingual zoning inspector? I haven't seen any evidence of tip offs, just evidence of him not doing his job. Are y’all talking about our favorite bilingual zoning inspector? I haven’t seen any evidence of tip offs, just evidence of him not doing his job.

]]> By: Lafayette http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64737 Lafayette Wed, 14 May 2008 11:29:03 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64737 jfk, Was your complaint regarding overcrowding? If it was they are taking a more investigative approach to these complaints. They will be talking to the citizens to get as many details as possible. This should help in establishing a solid overcrowding case. We've thought "tipping off" was a possibility for a couple of years now. We've seen things get taken care of before PCE makes out. I mean with in hours of the complaint being called in. This does raise some red flags with myself, and several other concerned neighbors. I have more information. I will NOT go into details on the blog though. I am willing to discuss further with you via email. GL can give you my email. jfk,
Was your complaint regarding overcrowding? If it was they are taking a more investigative approach to these complaints. They will be talking to the citizens to get as many details as possible. This should help in establishing a solid overcrowding case.

We’ve thought “tipping off” was a possibility for a couple of years now. We’ve seen things get taken care of before PCE makes out. I mean with in hours of the complaint being called in. This does raise some red flags with myself, and several other concerned neighbors.

I have more information. I will NOT go into details on the blog though. I am willing to discuss further with you via email. GL can give you my email.

]]> By: Greg L http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64729 Greg L Wed, 14 May 2008 03:00:11 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64729 That is a story I've heard far more often than I'd chalk up to pure coincidence. From what I've been able to determine, the chain of custody on the complaints as they pass from the system to the inspector has some gaping holes that would make it possible for someone to earn some extra cash by tipping off folks who are scheduled to get a visit from neighborhood services. There's no evidence that there's any corruption there other than some disturbing anecdotes, but I'm keeping an eye on this. At some point someone is going to screw up if there's some scam going on. Let me guess, this was in the Manassas area? That is a story I’ve heard far more often than I’d chalk up to pure coincidence. From what I’ve been able to determine, the chain of custody on the complaints as they pass from the system to the inspector has some gaping holes that would make it possible for someone to earn some extra cash by tipping off folks who are scheduled to get a visit from neighborhood services.

There’s no evidence that there’s any corruption there other than some disturbing anecdotes, but I’m keeping an eye on this. At some point someone is going to screw up if there’s some scam going on.

Let me guess, this was in the Manassas area?

]]> By: jfk http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64727 jfk Wed, 14 May 2008 02:44:59 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64727 Off the subject, but has anyone filled out the zoning complaint form on-line lately? I have, and was asked in an email to participate in a face-to-face meeting with the inspector. I also had to submit a questionnaire, which I did today. Oddly enough, some of the boarders decided to pack up and move out tonight. I can't help but wonder about the timing of my submittal of the questionnaire and their move. Could someone inside county government have tipped them off? I'd like to hear from some of you that may have undergone a similar experience. Off the subject, but has anyone filled out the zoning complaint form on-line lately? I have, and was asked in an email to participate in a face-to-face meeting with the inspector. I also had to submit a questionnaire, which I did today.

Oddly enough, some of the boarders decided to pack up and move out tonight. I can’t help but wonder about the timing of my submittal of the questionnaire and their move. Could someone inside county government have tipped them off? I’d like to hear from some of you that may have undergone a similar experience.

]]> By: Advocator http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64707 Advocator Tue, 13 May 2008 21:11:37 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64707 Well, Mando, you just made the fat broads' day. If you're going to let hypocrites like that intimidate you, you might as well just move out to Haymarket with them and the rest of the cowardly white flight crowd and let them dictate to you how to think, act, dress, speak, and what lawn furniture to buy. Well, Mando, you just made the fat broads’ day. If you’re going to let hypocrites like that intimidate you, you might as well just move out to Haymarket with them and the rest of the cowardly white flight crowd and let them dictate to you how to think, act, dress, speak, and what lawn furniture to buy.

]]> By: Mando http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64703 Mando Tue, 13 May 2008 20:01:35 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64703 I'd love to tell you, but I know the anit-bvbl'ers frequent this site and I'm on their "SCARY" people watch list. I don't know what the implications of that are, but I'm not sure I want to find out. If it were just me, I don't care if they knew my address but I have a daughter and a fiance whom are home when I'm not. Better to err on the side of caution. I have called a couple of times on one of the houses though. Both times for cars being all over the freakin place. Next to my house, in their front yard, hidden in their back yard. The other was busted a few years ago for operating a clothes cleaning business illegally in the basement. The owners of the house rented it out to "workers" which washed and hauled the clothes in 3 or 4 workvans that parked behind the house. I’d love to tell you, but I know the anit-bvbl’ers frequent this site and I’m on their “SCARY” people watch list. I don’t know what the implications of that are, but I’m not sure I want to find out. If it were just me, I don’t care if they knew my address but I have a daughter and a fiance whom are home when I’m not. Better to err on the side of caution.

I have called a couple of times on one of the houses though. Both times for cars being all over the freakin place. Next to my house, in their front yard, hidden in their back yard.

The other was busted a few years ago for operating a clothes cleaning business illegally in the basement. The owners of the house rented it out to “workers” which washed and hauled the clothes in 3 or 4 workvans that parked behind the house.

]]> By: Advocator http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64699 Advocator Tue, 13 May 2008 18:35:00 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64699 What's the addresses of your two flophouses, Mando? What’s the addresses of your two flophouses, Mando?

]]> By: Mando http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64697 Mando Tue, 13 May 2008 18:21:30 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64697 I personally think the flight of illegals has more to do with the mortgage crisis then anything else. I'm sure the resolution is partially responsible, but I believe in a very small part. Anecdotal evidence - I have two flophouses in front of me and they are carrying on as if nothing happened. I live in the county. What's different about these flophouses? They've been operating for around 10 years to one degree or another. Long before the mortgage issue begain. For the past few years they have been cramming more people in them though. The flophouse near my grandmother's house (county resident) were vacated overnight a few month's ago. These flophouses were bought at the hight of the mortgage free-for-all. I just can't help but feel this resolution has been seen by the illegals as the paper tiger that it is. I personally think the flight of illegals has more to do with the mortgage crisis then anything else. I’m sure the resolution is partially responsible, but I believe in a very small part.

Anecdotal evidence -

I have two flophouses in front of me and they are carrying on as if nothing happened. I live in the county. What’s different about these flophouses? They’ve been operating for around 10 years to one degree or another. Long before the mortgage issue begain. For the past few years they have been cramming more people in them though.

The flophouse near my grandmother’s house (county resident) were vacated overnight a few month’s ago. These flophouses were bought at the hight of the mortgage free-for-all.

I just can’t help but feel this resolution has been seen by the illegals as the paper tiger that it is.

]]> By: Johnson http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64696 Johnson Tue, 13 May 2008 18:03:19 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64696 I posted this months ago. Here's how it went: 1. Let the illegals in. 2. Illegals build big, expensive homes. 3. We sell our old homes to buy bigger, more expensive homes. The idiots among us take loans that we could not get before and ignore the balloon payments. Illegals buy the homes that we sell with subprime , adjustable rate mortgages. 5. Home prices spiral out of control, everyone in the realty transaction makes a ton of money. 6. Economy takes a dump, PWC cracks down on illegals, illegals lose jobs in construction. 7. Illegals pack up and abandon homes and mortgages that they got with no/false ID. 8. PWC housing market floods with foreclosures. Instead of PWC market melting down, people are buying them to live in. Imagine, affordable housing in NOVA! Now, if we kick the illegals out, the market will correct itself and there will be plenty of housing for all. I posted this months ago. Here’s how it went:
1. Let the illegals in.
2. Illegals build big, expensive homes.
3. We sell our old homes to buy bigger, more expensive homes. The idiots among us take loans that we could not get before and ignore the balloon payments. Illegals buy the homes that we sell with subprime , adjustable rate mortgages.
5. Home prices spiral out of control, everyone in the realty transaction makes a ton of money.
6. Economy takes a dump, PWC cracks down on illegals, illegals lose jobs in construction.
7. Illegals pack up and abandon homes and mortgages that they got with no/false ID.
8. PWC housing market floods with foreclosures. Instead of PWC market melting down, people are buying them to live in. Imagine, affordable housing in NOVA!

Now, if we kick the illegals out, the market will correct itself and there will be plenty of housing for all.

]]> By: freedom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64691 freedom Tue, 13 May 2008 17:39:59 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64691 Well El Guapo, if those loans are so "solid" and they're not being foreclosed, why are so many of the illegals leaving?? Suppose it's because they're afraid of the Rule of Law Resolution in PWC? Perhaps it's because they got tired of the rainy, cold weather we've been having here lately. Whatever, it's certainly not personal irresponsibility. ...and it's just like those darned people in Prince William County...here the 27 of us living in the house were collectively able to make the mortgage payment. ...and THEN, PWC decided to cooperate with the feds in enforcement of the law! Now look at what we've got...we still have the eight cars and four trucks, but no house. ...and that's nothing but racism!!! Well El Guapo, if those loans are so “solid” and they’re not being foreclosed, why are so many of the illegals leaving?? Suppose it’s because they’re afraid of the Rule of Law Resolution in PWC? Perhaps it’s because they got tired of the rainy, cold weather we’ve been having here lately. Whatever, it’s certainly not personal irresponsibility.

…and it’s just like those darned people in Prince William County…here the 27 of us living in the house were collectively able to make the mortgage payment. …and THEN, PWC decided to cooperate with the feds in enforcement of the law! Now look at what we’ve got…we still have the eight cars and four trucks, but no house. …and that’s nothing but racism!!!

]]> By: Rick Bentley http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64689 Rick Bentley Tue, 13 May 2008 17:30:43 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/13/illegal-aliens-and-the-sub-prime-mortgage-meltdown/#comment-64689 El Guapo, of course if takes a couple of years before the foreclosures start ... measure it now. I see evidence all around me, each day. El Guapo, of course if takes a couple of years before the foreclosures start … measure it now.

I see evidence all around me, each day.

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