Immigration On The PWBOCS Agenda Today
By Greg L | 20 May 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 58 Comments
NBC4 is reporting that Prince William County Chairman Corey Stewart will propose an amendment to the county’s policy to uphold the rule of law at today’s 2:00 PM session of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors. The reported change involves establishing a “reasonable suspicion” standard to determine when officers could check the immigration status of a suspected illegal alien which is easier to meet than the county’s previous “probable cause” standard. I really don’t see this changing a whole lot, since under the revised resolution officers had the power under 8 U.S.C 1373 and 8 U.S.C. 1644 to use their discretion in conducting checks anyways. It’s not a bad idea to provide clear direction to the Police Department in this regard, since without it who knows what standards would be established, but this is certainly not the groundbreaking change that the illegal alien lobby seems to think it is.
The revised resolution, drafted in closed session by the County Attorney in violation of Virginia law regarding open government, not provided to the public during the meeting of the board when it was considered, again in violation of Virginia law, and then deliberated during a “recess” of the board which was for all intents and purposes another unlawful closed session, was confusing to many. The language of the revised resolution seems to offer something for everyone, prompting a huge amount of confusion by the media and the public, which might have been avoided had the board followed established policy and voted on the measure at a subsequent meeting, which is the established policy of the board. Instead of correcting that confusion, and some potential legal problems that the adopted language may have introduced, we’re nibbling at the edges establishing a legal standard for officers to employ when all we really needed to do was cite existing federal law that leaves the decision about whether to question a suspected illegal alien about his immigration status to the officer.
I understand that there will be a report by the Police Department about the number of illegal aliens the police have identified, and perhaps the new General Order that implements the Board’s recent policy adjustments. Those items on the agenda are likely of far greater significance.
UPDATE: Any modifications to the Rule of Law Resolution as well as the draft of the Police Department’s General Order are going to be deferred to June 3rd. Hopefully this will allow greater public input on any changes that will be considered.
UPDATE 2: More coverage on this meeting is at NBC4.
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The BOCS needs to quit playing around and just require county police officers to inquire about the legal status of everyone they detain for any reason.
Agreed. Ask everyone and remove any doubt or question about discrimination.
I agree, also. I don’t mind if a police officer asks about my immigration status. Inquire this of ALL persons stopped.
Sounds like a good idea. But I can see them coming up with a huge cost associated with doing this (inquiring of everyone’s legal status) and the illegal immigration lobby using that to argue against it. Although, presentation of a valid driver’s license should be enough in response to a query of immigration status, so maybe the argument could be made in most cases it wouldn’t take up much of the officer’s time.
All persons should be asked - because illegal aliens come in all ages, shapes, sizes, and colors. I would be grateful if I was stopped and the police asked me my immigration status. Everyone should be asked!
OMG! You guys are gonna want to government to implant chips in us pretty soon. Then those chips will be used to track us everywhere we go. They’ll be used to identify us every time we buy something. And if we speak out against the government, those chips will be used to make it impossible for us to buy food.
Why all this crap? Because you can’t stand having to deal with new neighbors who are acting in ways that you don’t like.
If you guys had been around during the revolutionary war, you probably would have been on the side of the british. That was the side for those who love convenience. Real americans love freedom, not convenience and comfort.
The only people who would be against such a policy are those who want to turn your neighborhoods, the county, the Commonwealth, and the Nation into a third-world slum like you’d find across the border in Matamoras or Juarez. They hate this country and see uncontrolled invasion by illegals as a quick way to disrupt its economic and political structure. They have no real affinity or sympathy for immigrants. To them, immigrants are just another tool they want to use to accomplish their purpose to subvert and overturn our form of government and social structure. These are the same people who have been trying one way or another since 1967 to destroy this country. They cannot engage in a reasoned discussion with us on the issue so they resort to ad hominem attacks on our reputations and character, which are not going unnoticed. This is only a skirmish in a larger war, but we should not diminish the import of the skirmish. It’s being watched all over the world.
I actually am against being required to show my papers. If I am not committing an actual crime, I don’t want to take any time out of my day for an extended police encounter.
Whom doesn’t carry an ID with them these days?
Mando,
An illegal alien of course. Hell, they may even have an ID obtained with forged papers, etc.
Papers? What would constitute having the proper paperwork to prove you are a citizen? I thought this matter was settled. So we get yet another resolution? How come? Rest of the country wasn’t laughing hard enough at us yet?
Maybe it is just time for the carpet baggers who think they are leading the county to go home.
If you’re not suspected of committing a crime or civil infraction, Nick, you probably would not encounter and be detained by a police. However, if you run a stop sign, or are found standing over a dead body with a smoking gun, the detaining officer should inquire about your legal status, regardless of your color, accent, clothing, etc.
The State of Virginia has consistantly voted down any effort to require by legislation that the citizens of this state be required to identify themselves to the police using a photo ID. State law only requires you provide an officer your name and address.
Anything else and I’ll leave to any lawyer to fight the county for a nice sizable settlement. I believe our county has lost sight of the Dillon Rule.
Regardless, I recommend even if this legislation passes that a person just WALKS AWAY as you are not required to stop if an officer only has reasonable suspicion. Any attempt by a police officer to hold a citizen under reasonable suspicion can be deemed unlawful detention or assault and use of force against the officer is legal under self defense doctrine.
“The State of Virginia has consistantly voted down any effort to require by legislation that the citizens of this state be required to identify themselves to the police using a photo ID. State law only requires you provide an officer your name and address.”
Then why do I carry this drivers’ license with me everywhere I go? I’m such a tool. Just think of all the room I can save in my wallet by liberating myself of it.
AB, a court case testing the anachronistic Dillon Rule would be in all citizens’ best interest, especially on this issue.
Gregg Reynolds and Alana Alameda just spoke against the “reasonable suspicion” resolution.
Don’t they have jobs? Does the communist party support their life style?
Advocator, you don’t understand.
It’s because they care.
Maybe the marxist party?
Mr. Letiecq asked the BOCS to take action on the illegal day laborer spots.
Nancy Lyall,
If the enforcement of immigration laws was entirely up to the Feds and them only, why on Earth did Congress pass the 287g program?
You are either ignorant or an avowed lawbreaker.
If you happened to be kidnapped, we’ll make sure we will not call police. After all, kidnapping is a federal offense.
By the way, Fairfax County is suffering housing foreclosures and hard economic situations (Conolly wants to raise taxes and buy up foreclosed homes) and they don’t have the Rule of Law resolution. How do you explain that Nancy?
It is hard for me to believe that the County actually employed you to work in the school system.
I believe that Alana is a member of the Republican committee or a former member.
Hope it’s former member.
Alana is a Republican and is a very traditional stay at home mom, which is why you often see her with her children in tow.
You may choose to belive she is a communist, much in the same way so many of you probably choose to belive whatever Greg L vomits on this blog, if it somehow makes you feel better and organize your world.
those “anti” people are a hoot for sure, hilarious in fact!
I don’t know whether she’s a marxist, communist, or republican. I do know she’s a hypocrit in that while she preaches tolerance for illegal aliens she’s far and removed from the problem. All the hypocrits suddenly change their tune when the blight comes knocking on their doorstep.
Mando,
Driving is a privledge granted to you by the powers of the State. Walking around or hanging out at a local 7-11 or a Home Depot without identification and refusing to show them to a peace officer is our collective right.
Any country, state or county that wishes you to show identification for every activity that you have a God-given right to perform is one step removed from tyranny and it is my duty as a Virginian to fight against that. I think any conservative here that doesn’t feel the same way should stop posting today and vote for Obama.
much respect for stay at home moms, mucho! i dont know what to think about some of those people on the anti-blog. they seem to be all over the place, they dont seem to really be focused on anything other than being “anti”, whatever that means. some of the comments i saw on my short time looking it over were downright vile and constituted “vomit” in the most extreme.
Armande, I’m just speculating on who bankrolls them and their support for the degradation of this county. I know that certain groups interested in subverting the political and social structure of this Nation often have individuals on their payrolls and was inquiring into whether anyone would have knowledge whether they might be the recipients of their largesse.
BTW, I like your suits. Too bad I can’t afford them.
Yeah, Mando. I’ve got very little respect for the white (or black, brown, beige, whatever) flighters, also. They allow the scum bag real estate agents to dictate where they’re going to live, the amounts of their mortgages, where their kids go to school, etc. Now the gravy train is over for the real estate buzzards and their squealing to whomever they think will listen.
All I can say is, Go Corey! Contrasting him to Mr. Colgan, I see a man who isn’t afraid to use his power to fight for his beliefs. Unlike other counties, which are willing to shrug their shoulders and call this a federal issue, our leadership has stood strong in the face of criticism that would make anyone else whither. Call him a carpetbagger if you wish, but at least Mr. Stewart is keeping his word.
If the media would make at least the slightest effort to correctly report what is happening in the county then nobody would be laughing. Every morning when I turn on WMAL there is a story about some negative aspect of the resolution. The only problem is the story is usually slanted or misleading. Anyway, I don’t give a rip about what persons in other areas think about me or my county. My own eyes see positive changes happening; we need more action not less. Anyone who blames the foreclosures on this resolution are in a state of denial.
Anyone who blames the foreclosures on this resolution is in a state of denial.
Alanna may call herself Republican but her actions say she isn’t. She is not conservative in many of her views. People can call themselves anything they want but it doesn’t mean they are what they say. Wasn’t it David Koresh who called himself the Mesiah?
I think the only reason she may have voted for a Republican Supervisor is to keep Dominion Power from putting a power pole in her back yard. I’m sure she would like BRMC to take over Silver Lake so she can get a park nearby all to herself. I wonder how many illegal aliens may have aquired employment through her husband. Just some thoughts.
WP reporter around the Sudley area short time ago wanting to know “does the tall grass at the house next door to you bother you. Wanted a full interview about the situation but only gave him the fact that it was reported to zoning and the process has started to clear up the problem. PERIOD.
Anonymous said on 20 May 2008 at 3:32 pm:
“I believe that Alana is a member of the Republican committee or a former member.”
If a Republican, Alana is obviously in the Bush mold. The Bush family most certainly has vested financial interests in the continued flow of illegals into this country, so I expect that she does as well.
All wrongs will be made right with a Republican Governor in the Commonwealth.
Tim Kaine is obstructing justice by failing to enforce the Rule of Law, along with all his clan of liberal cronies like Senator Colgan.
It’s time for change all right.
“Walking around or hanging out at a local 7-11 or a Home Depot without identification and refusing to show them to a peace officer is our collective right.”
Actually, Anchor Baby, there ARE laws that are being violated by those “hanging out at a local 7-11 or a Home Depot without identification and refusing to show them to a peace officer.” There are loitering laws, trespassing laws (should the owner/manager choose to complain), nuisance laws, and a variety of other laws that many (not all) of those loiters have been observed violating (public drunkenness, public lewdness to name two…and I imagine that there must be some law against urinating and defecating in public). I assure you (and you know very well that it’s true), had these people doing this been young teens or all Caucasian Americans, they would at the very least have been broken up by the police LONG ago…and if they showed up again arrested, or at the least cited. Their identification would have most certainly been demanded, legally.
It’s obvious to me that you are a Libertarian, Anchor Baby. I know a few Libertarians…I knew many more in my youth. I recognize how passionately you feel about the issue of personal and individual rights, and in many ways I share that. However, pure Libertarianism is impracticable in a civilized society with laws, even if only the rights of others are being protected by those laws…anything less is anarchy.
Started to say something in contradiction to G. Reynolds and his “cause,” but decided against it…have far more valuable ways to spend my free time.
Dolph…rest of the country isn’t laughing at all…we’re LEADING the rest of the country in support of America and Americans. Get a grip and watch…
Freedom, I disagree. PW Co and Manassas are the laughing stock of the State and of the US. As a matter of fact, an article appeared in a publication in France and we are also the laughing stock there.
If you support America and Americans then I am assuming you support all Americans - North Americans, South Americans and Central Americans for we are all Americans………..
If we are leading then someone needs to make up their mind what they are doing. Good grief. I have never heard so much conflicting information in my life.
The news papers say one thing, TV says something else, Corey Stewart says something totally different, and Greg has his own rendition. Yes, many people are laughing and it is AT us not with us.
It really is time for the BOCS to get back to running the county. From all indications, it started today. I heard some really good things coming out of the BOCS meeting.
Anita Break- You’re kidding, right? If not a I need to sign off here and barf!
Anita -
You are so full of it! You, my dear, are the laughing stock! Surely you jest!
I think people are getting Alanna and Elena mixed up although neither were members of the Republican committee. Elena is an avowed democrat, but not a member of the local committee. She supported both John Stirrup and Corey Stewart due to their positions on land use. She held fundraisers for Stewart only to voice her shame over doing so publically at the BOCS meetings.
Alanna doesn’t seem to think like a Republican. She may have voted for John Stirrup and George Bush, but her thinking definitely lines up more with democrats. She may stay at home but her opinions on health care, education, etc. are far more liberal than the typical Republican. This may be a case of “I’m a registered Republican BUT” syndrome.
Dolph
I agree about today’s meeting and I’m curious as to what things that came out at the BOCS meeting today that you are feel positive about?
What’s all the hype about Alanna and Elena for? The Repuke party is finished. They needed an issue to distract everyone from the quagmire or iraq and the slow asphyxiation of the falling dollar so they decided to attack the dignity and honor of the fastest growing minority in the US. They thought they could control it, but it’s spinning out of their control now. Repukes started this fight…but latinos are going to finish it in november.
I was very impressed with the foreclosure report, the suggestions about assisting with house buying for first responders, and with Michelle Casicato’s report on the priorities of neighborhood services.
It really showed me that we have a fine bunch of people working for Prince William County.
I was particularly impressed with Maureen Caddigan’s kind words spoken about death of Mr. Crone. She truly showed what a classy lady she really is. Mr. Crone was known far and wide for giving the BOCS a fit when he felt they deserved it.
I did not watch too long this evening. By the time they came back into session, American Idol came on.
Truth,
The disgust with the growing illegal alien problem finds support on BOTH sides of the aisle. Many Dems were voted in because they campaigned on an anti-illegal platform. They are now in a tight spot because they co-sponsored SAVE but refuse to sign the discharge petition and are under pressure from their constituents and Pelosi on opposite sides of the argument.
Anita — give me a break — who cares what France thinks? The last time a major group of Americans arrived on their shores, the French weren’t asking for documents, just savin’. The French have their own problems with their refusal to deal with their internal problems and Islamification. France is toast. We refuse to surrender.
Truth,
You are right. Old style party politics is dead. Greg is a leader of the new frontier. Grass roots advocacy is where it’s at — a return to basics, and solving problems at a local level. People have lost their faith in big government to act in their interests, and are taking matters into their own hands.
Hazelton was the first salvo, but the Rule of Law resolution is the first victory in a long battle. Oklahoma and others followed, more to come.
This is just the beginning. It is far from over.
The people have spoken and this is democracy’s rebirth. Enough is enough.
Dolph,
I called Suffolk County, NY legislators to congratulate them on the passing of HR1105 — Contractor verification — as their first step towards controlling the out of control illegal alien problem on Long Island. My inlaws & extended family still live in Suffolk Cty, and they are beyond fed up.
The inlaws and legislators both told me PWC is an inspiration to them.
Not a laughing stock. An inspiration, that the will of the people can make a difference. People are tired of “politics as usual” and want results.
Communities are being reclaimed, one step at a time.
It is your advocates are the laughing stock. 9500 Liberty has NO credibility left — witness their refusal to vet Dr. Fuller or post any caveats. Spin, spin, spin….the truth is still the truth
Ref the illegal day labor sites:
Can’t a group of citizens get together and file a suit against the owners of the properties citing a nuisance? Hasn’t this done before on other property owners?
Me:
If citizens have to do what you propose in order to have a law abiding community, what do we need police and elected leaders for? We have laws on the books that are perfectly adequate for addressing the day labor site issue. What we lack are a police chief and leaders with the will to enforce them.
USMCWife,
And an opinion is still an opinion.
Now help me understand why 9500 Liberty are MY advocates? Why do I need film maker advocates? My advocates are in other lines of work….where I need them the most.
Unfortunately, PWC tends to absorb the essence of its politicians. Hopefully some of them will decide which direction they are going. The past 2 or 3 days have been quite confusing if one reads the blogs and listens to the news.
And why is the county leadership to blame for what appears in the blogs and the news? If the media wants to put a spin on the news they will certainly do that.
My suggestion-mind your own affairs, quit watching that dreadful American Idol tripe, and don’t worry so much about what the world thinks.
The county can go forward when it no longer has to defend itself against attacks to the resolution by those parties that have a stake in making sure it fails. Don’t blame the leadership for that. Instead, thank them for standing strong and not cowering under the pressure being brought to bear. As I wrote earlier, thank you Corey Stewart for not being the weak politician in the mold of Chuck Colgan. Thank you for being honest, and for putting your reputation on the line in order to fulfil the promises you made to constituents.
Can I drive like hell into PWC (from Fairfax) just to be pulled over/arrested?
I hope so
150+ on route 28 should be a good place to start
How many people do you plan on killing along the way…before you kill yourself F15mech?
Fully agree with you about Corey, JFK…like what he does or not, he at LEAST does what he says he will do. Kinda makes ya wonder about the rest of ‘em, huh?