A Morning With The Day Laborers
By Greg L | 24 May 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Prince William County | 114 Comments
I had the distinct pleasure today of spending a little time this morning at the day laborer site at the 7-11 on Coverstone Drive, documenting all those folks who seem so eager to violate state and federal laws that prohibit the employment of illegal aliens and unlicensed contractors. It’s kind of fascinating to watch what happens at one of these sites, although I imagine the presence of myself and a few others might have altered just a few people’s behavior. Even so, it’s pretty amazing how many folks are so dedicated to recklessly breaking the law.
We arrived at about 8:00AM, finding a little more than thirty day laborers present. We took pictures of all the folks hiring day laborers so we could provide evidence to state and federal law enforcement agencies, which we hope will assist them in investigating the numerous felony violations we believe were committed. Although there were some questions at first by folks unaccustomed to having persons of a different ethnic background hang out in front of a 7-11 with cameras, everyone seemed to behave themselves for the most part. Some people driving by were downright friendly, giving us a thumbs-up sign and waving. We stayed until 10:00 AM, documenting about six cases of day laborers getting into people’s cars or trucks, chatting with a few 7-11 customers, and watching the open borders lobby show up like someone had pulled a fire alarm.
A little while after we got there, we went into the 7-11 to get some coffee and snacks, and were surprised to see some day laborers buying twelve packs of beer at 8:00AM. I guess they weren’t all that interested in getting hired immediately, since they went out behind the 7-11 and decided to have whatever celebration was appropriate to the occasion there. They may have come back out to join the others later on, but I didn’t notice.
For some reason quite a few people drove up to the spot and passed by without picking up any day laborers or stopping by the 7-11, which was strange. Now why would someone take this minor detour off of Coverstone Drive, carefully note who was there, and then drive off? Was it perhaps someone who had intended to do something unlawful, and noticing people dressed in Help Save Manassas t-shirts got a sudden pang of conscience and decided to pass up hiring these highly skilled and valuable workers? It’s hard to tell. The few that did hire day laborers this morning didn’t seem to display the usual excitement that comes when someone’s picture is being taken, and tried to be awfully sneaky. Perhaps they felt they should have combed their hair or something, and just weren’t presentable.
Within about a half hour of our arrival, Mr. Gaudencio Fernandez showed up, taking time away from filing his demolition permit application that he claims he’s simply too busy to file, and was really the only hostile person there. He confronted the remote video crew that was documenting our behavior in case the illegal alien advocates start making bizarre and untruthful claims about what happened. About thirty minutes after that, Ricardo Juarez and Nancy Lyall of Mexicans Without Borders drove up, had a conference with the day laborers, handed out business cards, and at one point attempted to shield a minivan picking up day laborers from being photographed and spoke with the driver. I’m not sure if this constitutes conspiracy or aiding and abetting a felony, but we’ll let law enforcement sort that one out. Finally, Eric Byler arrived, set up his video equipment on the sidewalk and did a good job of discouraging any unlawful activity for a while before removing himself to film from behind some bushes. I wouldn’t have figured him to be the type that would be interested in documenting the unlawful employment of suspected illegal aliens, but he ended up being very noticeable and probably helped a bit. How nice of him.
Best buddies Gaudencio Fernandez and Eric Byler
We had an opportunity to pick up some of the trash that was all over the place, and when Byler showed up the day laborers started pitching in to help as well. From the looks of the place when we arrived, I don’t think a litter crew had been by the place in weeks, but when we left most of the empty beer bottles and other large pieces of litter had been cleaned up. We left the site better than we found it, which is something to feel good about.
At 10:00 we packed up and left to spend this beautiful Saturday with our families. There were perhaps a dozen day laborers left who hadn’t walked away or gotten picked up, along with Eric Byler and Mr. Fernandez who we waved to on our way out. I think everyone had a good time, and this certainly was the place to be this morning, although Mr. Fernandez seemed to be bothered by something. Hopefully his mood will improve with the bright clear skies and nice temperatures today.
I’m looking forward to doing this again real soon.
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You are truly righteous…… truly.
I admire and thank all of the HSM people that are on the front lines in our fight against illegal aliens.
Great job, Greg - count me in if you need a helping hand the next time you go!
Great job Greg and all the HSM people. You all are certainly honest Americans and we all appreciate that.
You can bet these loiters will be there all day and Sunday and Monday. No one will come to pick them up for work,I am sure.
Wonder if the ones who pick up these guys,think of the consequences of some one who’s drunk or half drunk and they then goof and cause an accident at work.
The sooner we can bring out who the businesses are that hire these people,the sooner we save our professional workers and keep them from going out of business.
Keep it up. This is Great
Yes, they get drunk. When they get drunk they can do just about anything including jumping a car.
The police should arrest them for being drunk in public. That should be easy to enforce.
[Ed note: comment edited.]
Patty said: “The police should arrest them for being drunk in public. That should be easy to enforce.”
One would think….wouldn’t one.
What if it were a person of another race drinking in public, or a teenager?
Do you think the police would stand by and let it happen?
Of course not. This, unfortunately, has become the “norm” - and the police turn and look the other way. Disgusting.
Great job, Greg & Company!
I hope you feel better about yourselves after harassing innocent hardworkers. Way to interfere with the free market. NONE of you are true conservatives!
yeah, how “hard working” can they be when they’re drinking at 8 AM.
Get real, UnMasMexican!
This story just shows what a difference the day laborer center in Herndon made! Herndon 7-11 was mobbed and picker-uppers were mobbed before the Center was established. George Taplin and his minute men were hanging out with cameras, enjoying the early morning snapping and filming to their hears content. Writing down registration numbers, putting photos in some kind of register …
Once the Center was in use, there were no more loiterers at 7-11 or hardly any other place. The workers were registered, they were sober, they were not cheated out of their pay, they were given lunches at the workplace.
Center is closed, men are back on the streets.
Greg, why don’t you ask Taplin to advise you. He’s the specialist. (BTW, what happened to Taplin’s Troops?) What a wonderful way to spend a beautiful Saturday morning - and you want to do it again! Hope you take your children with you so they can witness your worthwhile voluunteerism.
We all get our jollies in different ways. Enjoy!
Evidently, they consider heavy drinking at 8 am hard work.
Seriously, you might be surprised by the number of “immigrants” who show up in court for anything from drunk in public to child molestation. They are very often painters, construction/home improvement laborers. You don’t know who you are really allowing into your home. Time to hire family, friends and neighbors that you know.
Thank you HSM!
Aiding and abetting a felony is the least of the violations with which Mexicans without Borders should be charged.
We were not harassing “innocent hardworkers”. We were photographing and videotaping those who unlawfully hire these “innocent hardworkers”. If one of these “innocent hardworkers” managed to get themselves within the shot, it was simply because there was no other way to get a shot at the vehicle and/or the vehicle’s driver.
We already know that the PWCPD could care less about suspected illegal aliens unlawfully loitering, trespassing, taking a dump on the side of a building, assaulting people, or the other myriad violations of the law they regularly commit. There’s demonstrably no point in photographing day laborers. Instead, we’re documenting who is unlawfully hiring them.
I’ve heard the folks who claim they’re really against illegal immigration but want to be “humane” to illegal aliens by ignoring their violation of the law, but want people to focus on employers instead. That’s what’s happening here. We’re documenting folks of all racial and/or ethnic background who we believe may be committing a felony violation of the law and referring that to the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
I’m sure this will make those folks very happy. Hopefully we can put some criminals in jail that aren’t representative of a specific ethnic group. Not that I expect anyone to stop smearing me as a racist, but one can still hope they give up this ridiculous race-baiting at some point.
Alanna would never bring any of your children into this issue. I really wish you all would pay her the same courtesy. We may not all agree on political issues but lets agree that family is off limits. That is just the decent way to behave in a civilized society.
“I really wish you all would pay her the same courtesy.”
And I wish YOU would speak specifically to the poster who brought children into this conversation - and quit pointing your finger at ALL of the posters on this thread by saying “you all”…..
Krusty - Dolph has instructed that children not be dragged into this conversation - so please edit your recent post. Thank you.
I don’t know why you are surprised about this? Charlie Deane has already spoken. And he doesn’t care what the Board of Supervisors pass and tell him to do, he is only going to do what he wants. And he said he is not going to get involved in this.
Are you going to post the pictures somewhere?? Would love to see them.
I applaud this and hope you continue the push.
anonymous 2:13 - I apologize. How does one edit a post?
Let’s see what would happen if the shoe were on the other foot.
If you had to sleep under a bush last night in a foreign country that you had traveled to with the hope that you could make a few dollars for yourself and to support your wife and kids, then you encountered a couple of wise-asses with cameras trying to get between you and a day’s pay, how would you react. Oh, if you still got a job anyway, you might do nothing. However, as your hunger grew, and your opportunities kept getting scared off, you might take some sort of action against the wise-asses who were costing you jobs and the accompanying pay.
I think that what you are doing, however well intentioned, is putting you and your families at great risk. You don’t know how hungry and desperate that some of these folks can be. Sure, some of these migrants can be just as nice as can be, but I know how workers can get when they see someone interfering with their chance to earn. Take a look back at our own country during times of famine and labor strife. It is not a racial issue. When workers are hungry, tired and desperate, they do dangerous and irrational acts, including visiting violence on anyone seen as getting between the workers and their next meal.
Perhaps you and your group could turn your energy into a positive direction by helping these illegal immigrants to become legal, or at least to help them learn language and civic skills so that they can function in harmony with the local community until they can gain legal status, or return to their native country. Setting up an ESL class and a Civics class is not very difficult and for ESL, you don’t even need to speak Spanish, or any other language. You use pictures and skits to demonstrate language skills.
I don’t advocate that you turn a blind eye to those who hire illegals, or the illegals themselves. I just encourage that a more positive, productive approach is used until our nation achieves the political will to actually change our current open borders policy. The workers are only responding to the opportunity. Don’t punish them for wanting a better life. Punish the employers who want to avoid paying Americans’ the pay to do these jobs and punish the politicians who are abetting the multinational corporations instead of serving the People of the United States.
You’re kidding, right? The way to prevent and discourage this kind of lawlessness is to work to reward lawbreakers with American citizenship? Maybe I should also be working to educate crack dealers with degrees in pharmacy so they can stop being undocumented pharmacists as well?
J. Tyler Ballance said on 24 May 2008 at 3:02 pm:
I believe Greg stated that they were photographing the employers, NOT the illegals.
Um how do you KNOW they were being hired? Do you have sound?
the fact a camera is out there is a deterrence for sure. I’m glad everyone had something to document the event. enjoy the saturday afternoon, I’m doing some drywall actually..by myself
Anonyous,
My remark was not pointing a finger nor did I instruct. I am southern. I say ‘you all ‘ a lot. It was a request of all posters, present and future.
If I offended you I am ever so sorry. However, were I ‘instructing’ you would definitely not confuse it with a request.
For those who may have read this and think they’ve gone crazy or maybe they think they’ve walked through the hole in the ozone layer and ended up in a different dimension, don’t worry. You’re not crazy. It’s still perfectly legal to hire a day laborer.
el guapo,
you are incorrect, trust me I speak truly. you cannot “knowingly” hire an illegal alien. you can hire a “day laborer”. the proper way to do this is to file basically 1099 the person you hire for each job. according to the IRS a daylaborer is not synonymous with illegal alien but precautions must be taken by the prospective employer BEFORE hiring.
According to the law, you are not supposed to pay anyone without first getting their full name, address and Social Security Number for the 1099 form so you can report the amount you paid, if it is $600 or more in a calendar year. If the laborers are not citizens, they are supposed to furnish you other additional documentation thus you cannot hire them unless they can furnish acceptable proof. If you have done your due diligence then you can hire them and you’ll be in the clear, otherwise you are on the wrong side of the law.
“It’s still perfectly legal to hire a day laborer.”
You’re right, El Guapo…which brings up an excellent point because it is only legal to hire a LEGAL immigrant or citizen day laborer. That makes it more than appropriate, but actually a legal obligation to demand documentation from any of these people before they are hired…it’s the LAW!
By the way, Josh…as long as they are here legally, there is a category of employment called “casual labor” which does not necessitate filing a 1099, as long as the labor is under a certain number of work hours. Once upon a time this was 35 hours…I’m sure that’s been considerably reduced, but it still exists.
Congratulations, it sounds as if your conduct there was irreproachable. The fact that you focused on the employers, not the laborers, and even picked up trash and tried to improve the area a bit puts you far above any accusations that the pro-illegal crowd might try to throw your way. Peaceful, nonprovocative, but you made your point and got what you needed out of it. Well done!
Thanks for the info AWCheney
J. Tyler Ballance said on 24 May 2008 at 3:02 pm:
Unfortunately, Your words have fallen on deaf ears.
AWCheney said on 24 May 2008 at 5:00 pm:
AW Cheney, I am pretty sure a 1099 has to be filed with IRS if a person earns more than $600 in a calendar year.
Greg’s whole argument and the arguments of all other posters here are predicated on one falsehood, that undocumented immigrants have committed an injustice.
The injustice has been committed against immigrants and their families. Immigration law is about as reasonable as prohibition law back in the 1920s.
And guess what happened to prohibition law?
How do you know they were employers???? I am just curious.
Prohibition Law = Immigration Law
Gosh, they’re so alike! No flawed reasoning there!
They are not immigrants, Anonymous, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS without the right to be in this country, unlike their countrymen who are here legally…and are the actual immigrants. Using the term “immigrants” to describe these illegal aliens in any way is an insult to any true immigrant who came here the right and legal way, out of respect for the law! I AM AN IMMIGRANT, and I am insulted to the very fiber of my being by the presence of these usurpers who make it more difficult for those who are attempting to come here legally because so many immigration resources are being tied up by these lawbreakers who DEMAND rights and benefits to which they have no legal right! I want them gone…and I’d venture to say that any other true immigrant (that precludes those who are here legally because of amnesty processes which, to my way of thinking, is equally insulting) would want them gone as well!
AW,
as far as I know right now it’s casual labor if the dollar amount per individual is under 600.00 per year anything over that would necessitate filing a 1099 would be employment. this is to get away from filing a 1099 for a kid mowing your lawn every so often. this was/is an IRS regulation. I would run down the current IRS regulations as the filing of the 1099 would be covered there. Everything else is federal and I wouldnt be surprised if there is an hourly limit. The whole “hourly limit” thing sounds like IRS code but I’ve never seen it to be honest. The 600.00 per year test I’ve seen though.
Having at one time managed a masonry construction company, Josh, I did have some experience with “casual labor,” and there was a restriction on hours as well as a ceiling amount. If I recall correctly, the hours restriction was 35 hours/week and the dollar amount could have been as low as $600…but keep in mind, wages were a LOT lower in the Middle Ages.
AWCheney - totally agree about any legal immigrant who came here the right way not liking people who want to circumvent that law. My wife is a legal immigrant and it was a long process for us - and both of us resent the fact that others think they can come here illegally and then be granted amnesty. Anyway, most legal immigrants are not going to look favorably on the illegals being granted amnesty, or the fact they’re in this country in the first place.
Tonto said on 24 May 2008 at 3:25 pm:
Um how do you KNOW they were being hired? Do you have sound?
Well if they were not being hired as a day laborer, maybe something else was going on and should be investigated since they enered the vehicles and left with the driver. Hmmmmmmmm!
J. Tyler Ballance said on 24 May 2008 at 3:02 pm:
Perhaps you and your group could turn your energy into a positive direction by helping these illegal immigrants to become legal, or at least to help them learn language and civic skills so that they can function in harmony with the local community until they can gain legal status, or return to their native country.
I have 2 dear friends who earned their citizenship about 10 or so years ago. Both (husband and wife) were born in Mexico and came to this country legally. They attempted to help the Hispanics in their neighborhood and church and tried to get them to assemilate, learn English etc. They received total refusal for their efforts. They said they did not desire to assemilare and preferred to remain amoung their own group of “Immigrants,” some of which were most likely ILLEGALS. That is the main problem with these people. They want to remain in their own “ghetto.”
I think the USA needs a 10 year “time out” on immigration of all kinds. Face it, the government can’t handle the paper work and the country is over whelmed.
A 10 year time out would give the country time to sort out the mess that has been created by not enforcing current immigration laws.
Call it cold or mean. I could care less. What is most important is the USA and its sovereignty. For those of you that don’t know what it means read the following:
1 obsolete : supreme excellence or an example of it
2 a: supreme power especially over a body politic b: freedom from
external control : autonomy c: controlling influence
3: one that is sovereign; especially : an autonomous state
Thanks for doing that. Hopefully your information gets handled properly and those in violation of the law are prosecuted…and act as examples to others who might do the same.
Patty,
I am really surprised at your comments Greg had to EDIT!!
Shame on you, BIG TIME!!!
We as individuals put ourselves out there. Children and spouses should never be drug into this. Now, would you like some one making a comment like that about you and your daughter? I think NOT!
You’re religious, right? Your comments seemed damned near devilish to me, and I’m sure to some others. What about “do unto others as you would them do unto you”?
I really hope you think about this one.
edit~What about “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”?
Lets compare the illusion:
“If you had to sleep under a bush last night in a foreign country that you had traveled to with the hope that you could make a few dollars for yourself and to support your wife and kids, then you encountered a couple of wise-asses with cameras trying to get between you and a day’s pay, how would you react. Oh, if you still got a job anyway, you might do nothing. However, as your hunger grew, and your opportunities kept getting scared off, you might take some sort of action against the wise-asses who were costing you jobs and the accompanying pay.”
With the fact:
”
A little while after we got there, we went into the 7-11 to get some coffee and snacks, and were surprised to see some day laborers buying twelve packs of beer at 8:00AM. I guess they weren’t all that interested in getting hired immediately, since they went out behind the 7-11 and decided to have whatever celebration was appropriate to the occasion there. They may have come back out to join the others later on, but I didn’t notice.”
The question is, what type of hunger are they trying to feed? Maybe we need to offer a 12-step program in addition to all the other social goodies that are given away at taxpayer expense.
NOT Patty said on 25 May 2008 at 7:01 am:
We as individuals put ourselves out there. Children and spouses should never be drug into this. Now, would you like some one making a comment like that about you and your daughter? I think NOT!
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You mean like Gusatvo Torres’ (CASA de Maryland) 2006 public threats against the families of the Herndon Minutemen?
‘‘We are going to target them in a specific way,” said Executive Director Gustavo Torres. Casa representatives will go out with cameras and video cameras to record the Minutemen, but that will only be the first step, he said.
‘‘Then we are going to picket their houses, and the schools of their kids, and go to their work,” Torres said. ‘‘If they are going to do this to us, we are going to respond in the same way, to let people know their neighbors are extremists, that they are anti-immigrant. They are going to hear from us.”
NOT Patty,
Guess what? Looks like Alanna and her crew have a lot of personal information about Greg’s family and mine which they like to PUBLICIZE. Consider what I said a warning shot. Evidently there is someone that is privy to our personal lives that has diarrhea of the mouth. That person, if she/he keeps it up, may find themselves on the other end of a lawsuit (I’m serious).
You wouldn’t happen to be that person who is divulging personal information to Alanna and her crew would you?
Since you like to partially quote the Bible, here are some passages that you should consider:
Romans Chapter 1. Pay attention to versus 28 through 32. You should read the whole book of Romans. It would do you good.
Proverbs 20:19 “He who goes about as a slanderer reveals secrets, Therefore do not associate with a gossip.”
Proverbs 11:13 “He who goes about as a talebearer reveals secrets, But he who is trustworthy conceals a matter.”
Proverbs 17:13 “He who returns evil for good, Evil will not depart from his house.”
It would really do you good to discover the Truth and have a realtionship with Him. Otherwise your path is self destruction.
Have a good Sunday.
Keep up the good work, our business has never been better. As long as we have people like PG County States Attorney Glenn Ivey’s wife Maryland Del Joline Ivey (CASA board member) and our personel “Hero” Maryland Del Joe Vallario in our pockets, we will get our MILLIONS of state and county tax dollars.
Love,
Gus, Kim, Kerry, and all the hard workers of Casa de Maryland
It took Ricky and Nancy about an hour to get there? Must have been a traffic jam in Hoodbridge.
Love to see some videos of who was hiring the day laborers but I’m sure it will spoil any investigation. Perhaps you could put the names on the website “wehireillegals.com” and we will know not to use that company.
Greg,
Next time you plan something like this, please let me know, I’ll join you since I’m very close to Coverstone.
Quick question for those who went to the 7-11 to gather evidence….given the PWCPD’s tendency to side with criminals over citizens, how did you prepare for the possibility of the Po-Po showing up and harassing you?
To NOT Patty -
What was so terrible about what Patty said?
Patty is absolutely correct - I was with a friend photographing MS 13 graffiti in a property behing the Coverstone 7-11. A day laborer saw me through the trees and ran up the hill and to the fence yelling f-in ___ and was coming for me and the lady who was with me. Some of the day laborers are agressive, abusive, and dangerous. In Woodbridge, they actually approached a woman’s car from all sides, rocked the vehicle, and then one man whippped out his manhood and showed it to her.
Unless you have been in the situation, which I have, and which Patty has, you have no idea how threatening these people can be.
Is it you, Dolph, hiding behind NOT Patty?
BattleCat
We made sure we weren’t breaking any laws so the Police wouldn’t harass us. We stayed in the public right of way areas, we patronized 7-11, we minded our own business, and we were visible wearing our HSM t-shirts. We didn’t confront anyone. We made sure we were visible to cars coming and going - and we enjoyed the beautiful morning.
I can speak from experience that the day laborers are aggressive and abusive. I took pictures of these lazy bastards as they sat around the 7-11 at 1230, drinking beer and leering at the women. They did come to my car, started rocking it and one wonderful gentlemen exposed himself to me. When I went to the County and spoke, Chief Deane couldn’t have cared less. In fact, he could barely keep his butt in his seat and spent more time OUTSIDE of the meeting hanging out with his cronies…he’s a waste of space.
DPortM said on 25 May 2008 at 9:23 am:
Patty’s comment was deleted that I speak of. I don’t remember her exact words. She basically said Alanna would bring her kids there to drink beer at 8am. That is HORRIBLE comment to make about the devil himself.
That’s there right to get out there and take pictures. I have no problem with that at all. I’ve put myself in these types of situations and without incident.
I love your name. Let’s hope it keeps happening here in PWC!!
ladyxx - Most vehemently disagree with the 10 year timeout of the current legal immigration you are implying in your post. As someone who married someone overseas (well, we got married in the states after she came here legally) - and who went through the process of getting her to the states legally - that would be incredibly unfair to similarly people like me. How would you like it if you met someone overseas, but due to some 10 year “hold” on all types of immigration, couldn’t bring her here for 10 years! That’s completely insane!
I definitely am against amnesty of any kind, but putting a stop to the current legal immigration is way above and beyond anything I’d support. Are you saying that because of all the illegals, those who are patiently going through the current system, or about to - should be asked to just wait for 10 years? That’s a slap in the face to them (as is amnesty to the illegals).
I agree, CityResident. I’ll even go you one better…I’d like to see them start expediting legal immigration petitions and begin to reform the system to be more equitable while still protecting our country and citizens. The problem is, as I’ve said before, we’re having to waste enormous Immigration resources on these illegal aliens. The sooner we get rid of them and close the border, the sooner we can deal with the important issue…like our LEGITIMATE future citizens.
who’s your hero? said on 25 May 2008 at 8:34 am:
“Keep up the good work, our business has never been better. As long as we have people like PG County States Attorney Glenn Ivey’s wife Maryland Del Joline Ivey (CASA board member) and our personel “Hero” Maryland Del Joe Vallario in our pockets, we will get our MILLIONS of state and county tax dollars.
Love,
Gus, Kim, Kerry, and all the hard workers of Casa de Maryland”
Greg, don’t you think that it would be very appropriate to send a copy of this comment (don’t forget the IP address associated with it) with a link to the thread to the elected officials that these folks claim are “in their (our) pockets?” I’d think that they would want to know how their “friends” are making them appear to be corrupt.
AWCheney said on 25 May 2008 at 12:04 pm:
AMEN! I agree, Greg.
Patty said on 25 May 2008 at 8:25 am:
“NOT Patty,
Guess what? Looks like Alanna and her crew have a lot of personal information about Greg’s family and mine which they like to PUBLICIZE.”
Is it on their blog, Patty…and if so, where (I took a brief look at it and couldn’t find anything)? I’d really like to know so that I can put in my personal two cents on this over there! Let me know.
Maybe it’s time to post some personal info on Alanna.
[Ed note: no, I don’t think so.]
I took a look over the other site awhile back and saw some disturbing posts. some of the posts advocated finding out information about BVBL posters (more often than not Greg) and contacting his/her place of employment, military commanding officer, etc. I think one post pointed out the location of schools of various personae’s children that post/view here. This seems a bit over the top to me, not sure about everyone else but harrassing employers and people at their place of business seem to be ludicrous to me, no other way to look at it. putting the location of the school where a person’s chilren attend attains a whole new low even for the bvbl crowd. the simple fact that people went out of their way to attain this information speaks volumes. I think they may have removed those posts, but I did see them at one point in time.
Josh, I trust that you were referring to the ANTIBVBL crowd (”…attains a whole new low even for the bvbl crowd.”)!
They don’t have the laws on their side, so they do desperate things which make them look so bad that more and more people join in the fight to rid this country of all illegal aliens (criminals everyone)!
starryflights,
Before posting personal info on Alanna, I would wait for Patty’s response to AWCheney about what personal info. was publicized.( 2 wrongs don’t make a right and I see this spinning out of control)
I took Patty’s comment ( personal info publicized) meaning Not Patty said “daughter” in response to why Patty’s comment was edited for making a uncalled for statement about Alanna’s kids and beer consumption.
Josh,
You are correct that there were statements posted about the location of a child’s school and one other one that was quickly REMOVED and by Alanna and state the reason why it was.
Good Job Stand up for America. Thank you for taking a lovely Saturday afternoon which you should have been able to spend at the beach or at home to do this for the American people.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin Announces his candidacy for President of United States
IF I WERE PRESIDENT
By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
May 2, 2008
quote on illegal immigration from Chuck Baldwin constitution party
Dr. Chuck Baldwin speaks on Illegal Immigration
“We will close our borders and ports. Illegal immigration STOPS the day we take the White House!
We will not provide amnesty to anyone. There will be no welfare for illegal immigrants! We will end birthright citizenship! There will be no more anchor babies!”
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Chuck Baldwin for President www.constitutionparty.com
actually, alana & friends do drag their kids to citizens time every chance they get. though patty’s comments may have been a little thoughtless, it seems alana&company want their kids “in the fray”. Having them at the podium is a bit annoying, but i’d recommend a hands off approach. let alana et al. be on the receiving end of lawsuit.
legal2,
I get your point about having kids in the spot light. Humor alert: it makes me think of small tot and tater fry….that is what Britney Spears kids are called and they are INNOCENT. I would say it was a thoughtless comment especially coming from a parent.
I stand behind your recommendation of a hands off approach and may NOBODY be on the receiving side of a lawsuit. I just can’t help but to think about the lawyer in DC and the dry cleaners over a pair of pants. This is how I saw this starting and put my 2 cents in
I cannot believe they would actually bring their children to such an event. I cannot imagine having mine there, it just does not seem very appropriate.
and I hope someone does not get harassed or worse, hurt by the information posted there. I hope the moderation is getting better to prevent this type of stuff from being posted. I also hope there is a Terms of Service or something that is posted as well by the site owner. posting someones personal information is inexcusable and the fact that someone even went so far as to research it is suspect. You dont post that information in a public forum period as there is no reason.
Josh,
Lets take a commercial break. It is not what happens over there or I would NOT be there.
FOR the RECORD, the ONLY PERSONAL gripe I have posting over here, is that I go into moderation or my comment do NOT appear. I have posted in numerous threads over on ANTI to prove and address these issues.
Do I think BOTH sides post some over the tope ” Holy Snake Sh#T” ( tm) comments? SURE DO, but I am to attentive on both blogs to see how Sh*T gets started.
I so hear my grandfather’s advice : believe not what you hear and half of what you see.
Also, Patty, you used this Bible verse:
“Proverbs 20:19 “He who goes about as a slanderer reveals secrets, Therefore do not associate with a gossip.”
UMMMMMMM, what is YOUR definition ( not damnation) of a blog…which blog? Pick one
Josh,
FORGOT the commerical break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D2fNmsLjfE
It is ALL become ridiculous
DPortM said on 25 May 2008 at 9:23 am:
Is it you, Dolph, hiding behind NOT Patty?
Definitely not out of the realm of possibility, as with all of us.
Jfk,
“Is it you, Dolph, hiding behind NOT Patty?
Definitely not out of the realm of possibility, as with all of us.”
HIGH FIVE!
For the record it wasn’t Dolph, I know where she was, etc. she has an alibi ( sp) and I know her personally that she does NOT have to repeat herself. ( go back thru comments BEFORE today, she said her peace)
Jfk….THANK YOU for stepping up to the plate for TRUTH and NOT ASSUMPTION because you are right, it could have been anyone.
DISCLAIMER:
I KNOW I say STUPID SH@T all the time but I can laugh ( and believe me I DO) at MYSELF ( first) or apologize when I am wrong.
“Once the Center was in use, there were no more loiterers at 7-11 or hardly any other place. The workers were registered, they were sober, they were not cheated out of their pay, they were given lunches at the workplace.
Center is closed, men are back on the streets. ”
Shortly after the center opened, a letter appeared in the WaPo, noting that day laborers were still showing up all over Herndon though in smaller numbers at each area. I contacted a different person that I knew of in Herndon and we chatted about the situation. This person said that:
1) As soon as the center came into being, the crowd at 7-11 sort of split up and started showing up at the center AND at various places in Herndon, but with smaller aggregates.
2) Many employers didn’t want to use the center. In part it was LIKELY because they didn’t have licenses, etc. We are not talking about Joe Citizen who is looking for somebody to paint his Momma’s porch. We are talking about contractors who had not bothered to go though the normal procedures that are required to operate as a business.
3) After the initial daily lottery occurred in which the workers received their numbers, many of the ones who received higher numbers left the center, knowing that if they were 30 and 25 was the likely number that would get jobs that day, they wouldn’t get a job that day. They went to the informal pick-up sites and took their chances there.
In short, the center didn’t halt soliciting on street corners at all. It just dispersed workers thoughout the Herndon area, including the center, which didn’t come close - according to WaPo - to covering all interested workers.
Another typical impact is that a sanctioned day laborer center attracts additional illegal aliens to the area in order to perform day labor work unless that center rigorously screens day laborers for legal status. The network of illegal immigrants rapidly will get word out to surrounding areas and their home countries that work can easily be found. This ends up exacerbating the situation, and drawing more illegal aliens to an area to perform work as day laborers than were there before the sanctioned center was established.
The only way one should ever even consider establishing a sanctioned day labor site is when workers are screened for legal status. The few times this has been done, there curiously are very few day laborers who want to use the site, and illegal alien day laborers will still congregate in other areas unless local ordinances or laws prohibit the solicitation of day labor in locations other than the sanctioned center.
Red,
I didnt realize they moderated, I only lurk occasionally and just view the excitement from afar. Some of the posters (actually most) do have a flair for the dramatic for sure.
definitely a really interesting cast of characters to be sure! cant say it’s not entertaining.
AWCheney said on 25 May 2008 at 12:04 pm:
who’s your hero? said on 25 May 2008 at 8:34 am:
“Keep up the good work, our business has never been better. As long as we have people like PG County States Attorney Glenn Ivey’s wife Maryland Del Joline Ivey (CASA board member) and our personel “Hero” Maryland Del Joe Vallario in our pockets, we will get our MILLIONS of state and county tax dollars.
Love,
Gus, Kim, Kerry, and all the hard workers of Casa de Maryland”
Greg, don’t you think that it would be very appropriate to send a copy of this comment (don’t forget the IP address associated with it) with a link to the thread to the elected officials that these folks claim are “in their (our) pockets?” I’d think that they would want to know how their “friends” are making them appear to be corrupt.
Anonymous said on 25 May 2008 at 12:06 pm:
AWCheney said on 25 May 2008 at 12:04 pm:
AMEN! I agree, Greg.
Dudes, I was being sarcastic! Damn
I completely disagree with Alanna but if children are very well behaved I don’t see anything wrong with bringing them to McCoart. Let them see democracy in action and you’ll have well informed kids who keep in touch with what is going on around them and who aren’t afraid to participate in the process when they are older.
i-non,
You are right is important for our children to see democracy in action. I’ve taken my daughter, and she’s even addressed the PWCBOS. There were several high school students there and spoke last week. This was very refreshing, and to see our future leaders in action already. We live in a country where we can take part in the process. It’s ashamed more don’t take advantage.
The fat broads will be monitored closely to see if they or their associates are foolish enough to post any information about my personal life.
Greg L, you are, of course, correct about a job center attracting still more illegal alien workers to an area. This was, no doubt, why RESTON Interfaith placed the job center in Herndon, not Reston, as I pointed out in an earlier post on your blog.
Herndon was stuck not only with the job site itself but also with the day-to-day costs of the workers it attracted and often their families. These costs, quite naturally, were both financial and social and very expensive in both cases. The Herndon Day Laborer Job Center was about as good an example of the unscrupulous business interests, mostly outside of an area who want cheap labor , cooperating with do-gooders, also outside of the area and so not affected by the results of their misguided endeavors, to shift the costs totally onto another community. Fortunately, this particular community fought back - and won.
i-non,
The problem is … her kids AREN’T well behaved.
Are they the kids you could hear “fussing” the ENTIRE time she was trying to speak at the last BOCs meeting? That was just plain annoying!!!!!!!!!
Greg the gremlin said:
Only a buffoon would believe this hogwash. They come for jobs, not because there are a few benches with a tent and a ticket number machine. There are lotsa jobs and we can all be grateful that we have lotsa immigrants to do those jobs and keep the economy going.
The day laborer center was a great idea and it should have been replicated in PWC. Now, thanks to gremlin greg, our county has tonsa of foreclosed homes being bought up by renters, miles of grassy lawns to mow at a multimillion price tag (whos gonna mow the lawns? hahaha), and we have an international reputation for degrading and humiliating anyone who’s not white. Hahaha…call me crazy but I’d prefer the orderly and efficient day laborer center any day.
But then again…I’m not a bigot. So I guess thats the difference.
Anonymoose 2:20PM said: “…Hahaha…call me crazy but I’d prefer the orderly and efficient day laborer center any day.”
OK, crazy, then why don’t you go home and establish a day laborer center if that’s your preference…I’m even sure that the Mexican Govt would be happy to help with the funding.
Oh, and btw, you don’t even have to worry about “who’ll mow the grass,” ok? We American citizen bigots will mow our own grass.
See ya….:)
who’s your hero? said on 26 May 2008 at 7:46 am:
Do I detect a note of panic in your comment, DUDE. I should hope that train left the station…go for it Greg!
aw,
I did mean the “anti” crowd vs. the “bvbl” crowd. I didnt mean to lump everyone together. they get pretty leftist over on that blog, it would be ok if it moved to the center as they profess to do.
J
I figured that you did Josh, but you know how some people can be…sometimes they don’t even recognize a “sarcasm alert” when it says so on the actual comment!
AWCheney: Agree with you about actually expediting legal immigration applications. The current system is really bogged down and a mess (it is largely paper driven and not terribly computerized). Last year when amnesty was going through Congress, I had no idea what would happen if they suddenly had to handle 12 million (an estimate I heard) amnesty applications on top of the current load. Having just been through the system with my wife, from what I observed the amnesty stuff would have caused the whole system to collapse. They routinely lose stuff, misfile things, etc. as an application works its way through the process - it happened to my wife - they lost her medical records and it caused a reset of the whole process, and lots of extra money and wasted time. They are basically still working with 80’s technology believe it or not! In fact fees recently doubled approximately, supposedly to speed up applications, but from what I’ve heard that hasn’t happened - partially because that caused a huge influx of applications right before the deadline when the fees doubled (last August)!
The same thing happens at the Social Security Administration, as I found out when my mother tried to collect my father’s social security. They “lost” her paperwork. She asked me to call a friend of mine who happened to be our Congressman at the time and she got it, along with back payments, within two weeks…they “found” her paperwork on someone’s desk. Frank Wolf has superb constituent service (it wasn’t him, though…his office does such things routinely)…keep that in mind.
“Now, thanks to gremlin greg, our county has tonsa of foreclosed homes being bought up by renters”
No, this wasn’t due to fraudulent loans being made to people who couldn’t possibly afford to pay them, this is due to something Greg did.
Gotcha.
AWCheney: We also turned to Congressman Wolf’s office for help. In fact, they have someone dedicated to helping untangle immigration application snafus. They did tell me they see this all the time with things routinely getting lost. They did expedite our “re-application” last July - which was during the onslaught of applications due to the imminent higher fees. The original medical exam records (wihch were sealed and they wouldn’t accept copies of) never did turn up - so not only did we have to pay the application fee again, but get the medical exam and vaccines all over again (they won’t accept vaccines more than a year old at the date of application!). A very large expense, thanks to their incompetence, as the medical exam/vaccines are not cheap, nor is the application fee (and it is even more expensive now after the fee increases last August).
I agree with you though - Congressman Wolf’s consitituent services really are good - I think we would still be in the “queue” of the new applications if it weren’t for them.
“Amen, amen I say to you: He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1)
There were more loiterers at the Coverstone Day Labor Market today than ever before. At least 50.
They are probably looking for a fight - expecting the camera crew to come. Just another example of “in your face, gringo” attitude.
Interesting article in today’s Washpost Metro section titled : “Shuttered Homes, Thriving Wildlife”. It states that there are about 7000 (seven thousand) empty houses in Prince William county.
“Although home sales in the county increased 14% fr January through April compared with the same period last years, foreclosures in the county have gone up 211% in that time. There were 645 foreclosures last month in Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park, cout records show.”
Krutis,
I see the WashPost has picked up on the jungle theme also. Some of the lots are scarey. Worst one I have seen is on King George Drive. It was finally mowed and it looked like a combine needed to be taken in there.
The famous yellow cape code still needs to be mowed. I believe it holds the title now for the worse jungle in Westgate.
Yea, I don’t see this as a plus at all. I am just wondering what happens when school is out and all the kids head for the vacant houses. Sounds like drugs, sex and rock and roll to me.
AWCheney said on 26 May 2008 at 3:17 pm:
who’s your hero? said on 26 May 2008 at 7:46 am:
Do I detect a note of panic in your comment, DUDE. I should hope that train left the station…go for it Greg!
AWCheney Have you ever seen red smoke upon your entry? I bet not. That’s the last time I panicked, but you weren’t there to see it. For the last time, I was being sarcastic!
Dolph,
Yes, the yellow cape cod holds the title a second year in a row. Sex, drugs and rock roll is a given, it seems to me too.
I like the long grass. It reminds me that the illegals have gone. I’d rather have the mosquitoes, ticks, snakes, and rats than the illegals. At least they don’t trash the place and take up parking spaces with un-taxed, uninsured cars.
Long live the Resolution.
Dolph said on 27 May 2008 at 1:23 pm:
Krutis,
Yea, I don’t see this as a plus at all. I am just wondering what happens when school is out and all the kids head for the vacant houses. Sounds like drugs, sex and rock and roll to me.
Well, prior to the vacating in the area we had drugs, sex and salsa. In addition throw in some prostitution, public drunkedness/urination and severe overcrowding.
I’ll take the empty houses with the tall grass over the above, anytime.
Anonymoose said on 26 May 2008 at 2:20 pm:
It’s apparent you didn’t take your PROZAK today.
To each his own. Take you pick! Doesn’t much matter, since it looks like nobody has much of a choice in this matter at this particular time, does it? So 999 will have to take whatever comes down the pike like everybody else.
What does it look like where Corey Stewart lives BTW?
What does it look like where the fat broads live BTW?
Non-Anon - Where do the people live who want to know what it looks where the fat broads live? (Who are the fat broads anyway?)
My question re Stewart was to find out whether he lives in an area with empty houses and jungle yards; in other words, affected by his and his Boards decision. IF he does, it would be interesting to know what he thinks about the situation.
Krutis,
The fat broads live where the hang lows fear to thread ( I know, I hear a lot of SPINS on that one….LOL )
Red Dawn - “the hang lows” - Are they like the low-riders that used to cruise the San Jose area (now Silicon Valley) a few decades ago?
Krutis,
hang lows and silicon, now that is funny…you will not know wtf, I am talking about as I tried to post the address of a blog and now it is gone.
I guess everything is in the EYE of the beholder….IF it gets past the wizard
Honestly, if I didn’t know the jobs were mostly construction related, this sounds like a pickup point for prostitutes.
People standing on a street corner, waiting for sneaky people to drive by, negotiate a price for an illegal act and driving off together.
The police have set up vice squads to stop prostitutes, why isn’t ICE dedicating two or three officers to driving around picking up illegals at very well known pickup points? It would be low cost enforcement and would scare many illegals off from hanging around waiting to turn a “trick”, so to speak. The effect of knowing the next “employer” could be an ICE agent may be enough to send another few thousand back home.
Sorry, that is a constructive, effective and low-cost method of solving a probem, our governments would never let that happen.
fighterDC,
I totally agree with ICE coming by and posing as a contractor and grabbing a truck load of them and checking their status, or even asking their status before they get into the vehicle.
The Coverstone 7-11 has a long history behind it, cutting to the chase the way I understand it is that the police arrested a bunch of the day laborers for loitering and the 7-11 folks didn’t bother to show up for court so the police are not wasting their time. Greg went down there a few months ago, maybe 6 or 7 months ago and was treated rudely and then a PWC cop pulled him over stating that he had a complaint that Greg was harassing people that are only here to work hard and not commit crimes like fraud and ID theft etc, etc. So that Day Laborer Center has a lot of history to it.
I have a question.
You seem to be mostly concerned about the fact that these people are breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants.
If illegal immigrants became legal through more work visas or whatever process that makes it easier for people to cross the border legally, then what would your feelings be about people hiring day laborers and a large hispanic community in certain counties?
Olivia—I’m not sure why you think it SHOULD be easier for immigrants to obtain work visas or cross the border legally. Immigrants from Africa, Vietnam, Korea, Russia, Poland, etc. already have it harder than Central American immigrants, because they can’t just walk across the border, and their government aren’t issuing official publications about how to enter the U.S. illegally and set up shop without being shot.
Show me 30 guys of any race, religion or immigration status standing in front of a 7-11, drinking beer at 8am, urinating in public and evading taxes on their income, and I’ll do my best to get them all arrested, too. OH, THAT’S RIGHT—-I wouldn’t HAVE to do that, because the cops wouldn’t hesitate to arrest them if they were black or white. Nobody is raising a political ruckus to protect them.
Krutis—you were successfully making a point about the day laborer center unti you pointed out that at the DLC, we were giving them lunch. Huh. When I was laid off after 9/11 and went to the VEC employment center to look for work, nobody gave ME lunch! My employers and I all paid into the unemployment program over the course of more than 15 years so that I could draw about 1/3 of the salary I had been making each week—not to mention that my father had paid into the program for about 48 years without ever drawing unemployment. And come April 15, I had to pay taxes on my income.
All the “jobs Americans won’t do” folks should consider this: I worked in a McDonalds when I was young, and always thought I would make it a requirement for my children because, under the old training program, a job at McDonalds taught a lot of important business skills that could be used later on. That is no longer the case. I have stopped patronizing McDonalds because they have stopped caring about the customers (I even break down and say “no huevos” because I have an egg allergy, but they don’t care.) and because I have observed male workers sexually harassing the female workers. At the McDonalds close to my officer, virtually all the workers are latino and none of them seem to mind. My daughter would mind. I would mind if the men addressed my daughter the way they address the female workers.
It’s not that I don’t want my daughter to work at McDonalds or that she wouldn’t do it. It’s that I don’t want my daughter to be subjected to leering and inappropriate comments at the tender age of 16, and I don’t want her to learn that a job half done is good enough.
Uncontrolled immigration has brought to this country a general lowering of standards that threatens the fiber of our country. Yes, both legal and illegal immigrants contribute to this dynamic, but it is the ILLEGAL immigration that is uncontrolled, and the LEGAL immigrants, by virtue of doing it right, have demonstrated that they value our country and respect its laws.