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Prince William Leads The Way

By Greg L | 30 May 2008 | National Politics, Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 48 Comments

Team America PAC, run by Congressman Tom Tancredo and Bay Buchanan gave a little bit of love to Prince William County this evening in the inaugural of their “Team America’s Immigration Alert”.  In their first salutation of “local heroes”, Prince William County gets the nod.  Yes folks, we are definitely inspiring the nation.

LOCAL HEROES

Enforcement Works in Prince William County

Prince William County doesn’t want to turn into Mattawa or Miami. Unlike the federal government, the legislators in the county actually care about what their constituents think. Last year, the County Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a common sense law that requires the police to check the immigration status of people they arrest and denies non-essential government benefits like rental assistance to illegal aliens.

The predictable hysteria ensued. Corporate America threatened to pull business out of the county. Politicians, ethnic lobbies, and the mainstream media all called them “racist” and “xenophobic.” But the county stuck to their guns and now the illegal immigrants are leaving the county in droves.

Newsweek just ran a sob story about the plight of illegal aliens in the town, “Nancy Lyall, of the immigrant advocacy group Mexicans Without Borders, says she doesn’t know what effect the policy change will have, but that it appears to have already damaged the Hispanic community.

‘The community is still completely devastated,’ she said. ‘And for those obviously that have left, there’s certainly no reason for them to go back.’”

That’s the point of enforcement, Amiga!

Despite the hyperbole in the article that was quoted here, the simple fact that it is easily possible to encourage illegal aliens to depart if law enforcement is credible is something that the open borders lobby refuses to admit.  While they remain fixated on the idea that there’s no solution other than physically deporting at least twelve million illegal aliens, we’re proving right here, along with some other states and localities that are following the same approach, that if illegal aliens consider the chances of them being held to account for their unlawful actions to be high, they will deport themselves.

Attrition through enforcement works.  We’re proving it, along with Oklahoma, Arizona, and Georgia.



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48 Comments

  1. Vigilant1 said on 30 May 2008 at 11:56 pm:
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    Attrition through enforcement works. We’re proving it, along with Oklahoma, Arizona, and Georgia.

    ABSOLUTELY IT WORKS! Now we have to convince the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT. Without them being on board, nothing will change.

  2. BattleCat said on 31 May 2008 at 6:41 am:
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    It’s not always easy being out in front, and with McAmnesty and Obama coming, and Republicans losing Congress seats like crazy, the dark days are right in front of us, but we can’t stop fighting to keep our county a nice place to live.

  3. Dave in PWC said on 31 May 2008 at 8:39 am:
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    Another article that references our county and how this small North Carolina town wants to go beyond what we did:

    http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1611294/

  4. rebelreggie said on 31 May 2008 at 9:30 am:
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    While our Presidential candidates bend backwards pandering to illegals - France, and likely all the EU nations, are planning a ZERO tolerance of illegals - they will return illegals to their country of origin “almost immediately” Those people who legally immigrate MUST learn the language and culture of the country they are now living in.

    Sounds reasonable to me - how about you?? So why do our legislators not care enough about the USA to protect our citizens, language and culture??

    France is to launch a zero tolerance onslaught against illegal immigrants and it hopes all EU countries will back the move.

    Paris takes over the leadership of the EU in July and will unveil radical measures for a Europe-wide clampdown. This will include plans to return unlawful migrants to their country of origin almost immediately, according to a French source.

    The source said: As far as illegal immigrants are concerned, then the policy should be zero tolerance. Another proposal is that asylum seekers will have to apply for shelter in advance.

    A leaked French document says: Europe does not have the means to provide a dignified welcome to those who see it as El Dorado.

    The document calls for states to establish compulsory integration contracts for newcomers in which they would have to learn the appropriate language and cultures of the country they are in, as well as wider European values.

    It also stresses the need for increased use of biometric visas documents containing an electronic memory chip that digitally stores information about the holder, such as their facial dimensions. This would make passport fraud far more difficult, cutting back on the thousands who flood in on forged papers every year.

  5. Anon1 said on 31 May 2008 at 9:39 am:
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    The teamamerica pac website doesn’t work.

  6. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 9:45 am:
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    HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA! The Truth is back!!! Greg tried to filter me out but good always triumphs over evil.

    with McAmnesty and Obama coming, and Republicans losing Congress seats like crazy, the dark days are right in front of us,

    You’re absolutely right BattleFat.

    The Repukes are finished. You’re even losing seats in heavily republican districts. It’s gonna be a huge tidal wave this november. And even worse in 4 years as the children of the immigrants come of age…

    Amnesty and Justice 2009 is on the way…

    Your pogrom is finished…

  7. Anonymous said on 31 May 2008 at 11:35 am:
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    Anonywho,

    Exactly what country are you from?

  8. monticup said on 31 May 2008 at 12:31 pm:
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    Vigilant: The problem is that the feds, Congress and el Presidente WANT the illegal aliens here. Enforcement does work, that’s why they don’t want to do it.

  9. americangal4ever said on 31 May 2008 at 12:40 pm:
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    We have another problem principals of Islam taught in Houston Junior High
    But no principals of Christianity or Judiasm or Buddism
    Texas children roped into Islamic training
    by The Voice — published on May 30th, 2008
    Class by CAIR teaches: ‘There is one god, Allah’

    Public school students at Friendswood Junior High in the Houston area have been roped into Islamic training by representatives from the Council on American-Islamic Relations during class time, prompting religious leaders to protest over Principal Robin Lowe’s actions.

    Pastor Dave Welch, spokesman for the Houston Area Pastor Council, confirmed the indoctrination had taken place and called it “unacceptable.”
    The failure of the principal of Friendswood Junior High to respect simple procedures requiring parental notification for such a potentially controversial subject, to not only approve but participate personally in a religious indoctrination session led by representatives of a group with well-known links to terrorist organizations and her cavalier response when confronted, raises serious questions about her fitness to serve in that role,” the pastors’ organization said.

    According to a parent, whose name was withheld, the children were given the Islamic indoctrination during time that was supposed to be used for a physical education class.

    “I am simply trying to get the word out to those whose kids may not have told them about an Islamic presentation that all kids were required to attend,” wrote the parent, who was working to assemble protests to the school board.
    WND previously has reported how public school textbooks used across the nation have begun promoting Islam, teaching even the religious doctrines.

    WND also has reported on several other schools that have taught Islam as a required subject.

    In the Texas case, a school e-mail to parents provided only a half-hearted acknowledgement that such mandatory religious indoctrination might not have been the best decision.

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  10. Sara said on 31 May 2008 at 1:45 pm:
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    Congratulations–you’re all out in front for bankrupting the community (how many foreclosures is PWC up to now–7000) and ruining the local economy.

    Your days are numbered, but the entire county is going to really feel the pain before it’s all over. I can’t wait for the shaming to begin.

  11. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 1:51 pm:
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    Anonymous said:

    Anonywho,

    Exactly what country are you from?

    Funny how you interrogate someone’s background and not the substance of what they say. If you would like to know my background, I think it’s only proper that you divulge yours first.

  12. rebelreggie said on 31 May 2008 at 1:59 pm:
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    25 Reasons to Deport illegal aliens!

    PLEASE CIRCULATE:

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.

    http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.

    NEW: Homeland Security Report:

    http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf

    12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”

    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/nation/15795654.htm?source=rss&channel=cctimes_nation

    14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States”.

    http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

    15. Everyday 12 Americans are murdered by an illegal alien. Another 13 Americans are killed by uninsured drunk illegal aliens. Everyday 8 Children are victims of sex crimes committed by illegal aliens! More Americans are being killed on American SOIL each day by the hands of illegal aliens, than are being killed in the Iraq war and Afghanistan war combined!!!!!

    http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ia05_king/col_20060505_bite.html

    16. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates. These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population.

    Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9c

    17. “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine”. “Many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American Medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue and Chagas disease.” The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 10 Spring 2005

    http://www.jpands.org/jpands1001.htm

    18. In 2002, HIV/AIDS was the third leading cause of death among Hispanic men aged 35 to 44 and the fourth leading cause of death among Hispanic women in the same age group. Most Hispanic men were exposed to HIV through sexual contact with other men. Source (CDC): http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/hispanic.htm

    19. If enacted the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S. 2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years fully one-third of the current population of the United States.

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

    20. U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) today unveiled an impact analysis that shows the Senate immigration bill should it become law would permit up to 217.1 million new legal immigrants into the United States over the next 20 years, a number equal to 66 percent of the total current population.

    http://sessions.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=255553&&

    21. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million people estimated by the Census Bureau. 1/3/05

    http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/pdfs/underground.pdf

    22. Cases of Leprosy on The Rise In The U.S., The New York Times. “While there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago, today more than 7,000 people have leprosy.” Leprosy is an airborne virus, it can also be spread by touching and coughing

    http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Disease/030226.leprosy.in.US.html

    http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2005-03-15/whitford-americanleprosy

    http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78621

    23. Mexico is the FOURTH RICHEST OIL NATION IN THE WORLD!!! Source: CNN

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/02/18/obit.lopez.ap/

    24. Organizations Protesting Immigration Reform, State by State. Wont you join in?

    http://www.oregonir.org/Immigration_Reform_Orgs.htm

    25. In 2007, Legal and illegal aliens, cost the federal government more than $346 Billion dollars and the U.S. taxpayers paid more than $9,000. for each immigrant in the country!

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/NATION/341902874/1002/NATION http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/NATION/341902874/1002/NATION

    PLEASE CIRCULATE

  13. rebelreggie said on 31 May 2008 at 2:10 pm:
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    America At Its Worst

    Anybody with a sense of history of the United States knows our government and its duty to represent the American people is at its lowest point in its 200 year history. That is not to say it is totally nonrepresentive of the people. Our govenment recently passed the new G.I. bill which would make it possible for veterans to go to college after their tour of duty. However over all our government has been failing us for a long time.

    We know this by seeing our very best jobs being subsized by our government to go off shore, not because Americans can’t compete but because American corporations want to exploit the world’s cheap labor. It makes no differance the harm done to national security or the weakness to our country as a whole. Our government turns its blind eye.

    We know our government is failing the American people when we see how the people o f New Orleans were treated after Katerina, not just with slow response, but no response.

    There is truely something wrong with a government that won’t protect it own national sovereignty by enforcing and protecting its own boarders. There are between 12 and 20 million illegal immigrants now in our country. Because these immigrant are lacking in education and skills they place an enormous drain on our country’s resources, be it schooling, housing, law enforcement, medical asistance or combating diease. We are the world’s largest debtor nation.

    Of course the ultimate failture of our government is the Iraq war. This is how Germany behaved before World War II. If we had an effective democracy we would had seen actions of rebuke towards this war. Instead look how our government stands silently by without condemnation of those responsible.

    There is and are consequences to the American people when they stand idly by not demanding their rightful representation. Those consequences are a continued erosion of their government and a government that will gain strength in attacking its own people.

  14. Rick Bentley said on 31 May 2008 at 2:11 pm:
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    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. We’re going to go bankrupt without as many illegals. No honest-to-God American citizens will want to move here or buy houses.

    I guess you also think the whole country will go bankrupt without anmnesty, no one will pick lettuce and do manual work.

    Watch and learn. I can almost guarantee you property values here will be way up as the illegals continue to leave and urban flight (call it “white flight” if you want, but that’s not as accurate) reverses here while it catches on in the surrounding counties.

    People left here because of the illegals. And others will come back when they are not surrounded by them. We don’t need them, or want them.

  15. Citizen 12 said on 31 May 2008 at 3:16 pm:
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    americangal4ever said on 31 May 2008 at 12:40 pm:
    We have another problem….

    You are correct, and it continues to be pushed to the back burner by both the government, big business and the press. It has been said by people aroud the world who look to America to set the example - America is strangleing itsself with its political correctness- Americans need to take a hard line posistion on these issues and not worry about how it may look to others. Their priority should be that others understand clearly our posistion.

    You will see more of this in the future if we contunue to place “diversity” over our own sovereignty.

    This link could help to connect the dots.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc

  16. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 3:30 pm:
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    # Sara said on 31 May 2008 at 1:45 pm
    “Your days are numbered, but the entire county is going to really feel the pain before it’s all over. I can’t wait for the shaming to begin.”

    Then Sara, PLEASE, by all means, you are welcome to move and leave our County to those who have cared very much for it almost their entire lives. We wouldn’t want you to feel uncomfortable here, we’ve always been such a hospitable community…which is what got us into this mess in the first place.

  17. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 3:59 pm:
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    Ahhh, but you’re not from HERE are you Sara…

  18. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 4:02 pm:
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    rebelreggie said:

    There are between 12 and 20 million illegal immigrants now in our country. Because these immigrant are lacking in education and skills they place an enormous drain on our country’s resources, be it schooling, housing, law enforcement, medical asistance or combating diease. We are the world’s largest debtor nation.

    Can you please stop spreading lies. Their rent pays property tax which funds schools, the gasoline tax they pay funds the roads, etc. If the issue is the small percentage that is paid exclusively in cash, then why don’t you advocate legal status for them so they can pay those taxes??

    The tax issue is a lie…a tool to get rid of people you don’t like. Otherwise you would be up in arms about the millions of waiters, bartenders, and valet parking attendants who make most of their money from tips.

    Yuo’re not an american…you’re a fascist.

  19. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 4:03 pm:
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    AWCheney,

    You may be born here…but you’re not an american in my eyes…nor in the eyes of anyone who loves freedom.

  20. Dave in PWC said on 31 May 2008 at 4:16 pm:
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    Sara,

    Well if this county is going to be shamed can you explain to me why I’ve seen four different real estate agents showing the for sale condos in my complex just in the past couple of hours, between the rain of course. The people looking are young couples and they are white, brown and black. So Sara where is the shame?

    I look forward to having new neighbors that are going to obey the rules and use single family dwellings as they are supposed to be used for, in case you can’t figure that one out, they are meant for single families.

  21. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 4:43 pm:
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    Anonywho, you would do well to get out of your parent’s basement and into the world if you ever want to be taken seriously. Even if you are not physically in that basement, you are most certainly there psychologically and mentally…and you know nothing of true freedom and the responsibilities that it bears.

  22. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 4:49 pm:
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    AWCheney,

    And I would suggest you pull your head out of Greg’s rear end, then clean off your face and spit the excrement out of your mouth. The stink of bigotry is gonna stay with you for a long time but you may yet rehabilitate yourself into a real american.

    You see…real americans believe in freedom. Everyone’s freedom…not just those who act a certain way or speak a certain language…

  23. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 4:50 pm:
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    And by the way, I was not born here. I am a Naturalized Citizen whose parents did everything the right way…and I’m more of an American than you are.

  24. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 5:00 pm:
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    Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 4:49 pm:

    You’ve got a serious problem with that comment little boy…I post under my name, and people know me. Many know my history and none that do, even my worst enemies, have EVER accused me of bigotry. You, on the other hand, are bigoted against Greg and anyone who may agree with him in principle on this issue. The fact that you can’t even communicate your notions in a civilized manner further belies your lack of acumen. I suggest that you re-read my comment at 4:43 pm and take it to heart.

  25. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 5:08 pm:
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    Note to Greg…please don’t delete or edit Anonywho’s comments. It happens that I am MORE than happy to give the child the spanking here that his parents obviously didn’t bother to give him when they had the opportunity.

  26. MP Resident said on 31 May 2008 at 5:55 pm:
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    “Congratulations–you’re all out in front for bankrupting the community (how many foreclosures is PWC up to now–7000) and ruining the local economy.”

    This is the result of widespread mortgage fraud.

  27. Rick Bentley said on 31 May 2008 at 7:45 pm:
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    Anonywho you’re right that property taxes pay for roads, schools, etc. So what happens to a community when people start cramming multiple familiesm into small townhomes, increasing population and icreasing number of schoolchildren (including ESOL children) while paying less property tax proportionately? INSTANT BUDGET BUSTED. What happened to the surplus money in PWC from the tax rate staying high while property values doubled? THAT’s what hapened to it.

    What happens when people start cramming multiple families into single family houses? What happens as your proportional amount of tax payed goes down, while your wealthier citizens (or really, just anyone who can afford to leave quickly) leave? Instant ghetto. PWC was well on its way towards becoming a Spanish ghetto.

  28. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 7:51 pm:
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    AWCheney,

    This little boy is twice the adult that you are…

    I am a Naturalized Citizen whose parents did everything the right way…

    If you think that the fact that your parents were one of the lucky ones somehow imbues the current immigration system with credibility, you’re more stupid than you are arrogant. If nothing else, your parent’s luck should lead you to ask why the same opportunities cannot be extended to all those who seek to immigrate. Your parent’s situation only serves to illustrate how irresponsible, unrealistic, and abusive out current immigration system truly is. And just like the idiotic and unrealistic laws of prohibition of the 1920s, those who choose to ignore such idiotic laws are just exercising common sense. In fact, if their objective is to feed their families, as opposed to buying a few beers for fun, one might say their defiance of said laws is commendable.

    Many know my history and none that do, even my worst enemies, have EVER accused me of bigotry. You, on the other hand, are bigoted against Greg and anyone who may agree with him in principle on this issue.

    If the shoe fits…

    The idolatrous worship of the law that Greg and his acolytes implore…offering immigrants and their families as a ritualistic sacrifice…is nothing more than a ruse to expel undesirables from the community…especially before their many children come of age and begin to vote. When amnesty 2009 passes, we will see what respect for the law Greg truly has…

  29. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 8:54 pm:
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    Your ignorance is sorely showing, given that you know nothing of me or my parents, much less about the immigration laws…luck had nothing to do with it. When my parents immigrated to this country, the laws were MUCH stricter than they are now. They came here in the post WWII years from Germany, just when the Korean War was in full swing. It was no small, simple process and they arrived on a train from New York (where we were processed) with their possessions and 50 cents left in their pockets to Alexandria, Virginia. My father, however, had a trade and a job as well as a sponsor for us (per the law) and, within a year, my parents had saved enough money to buy a house. He became HIGHLY successful in a rather short period of time, starting his own business and becoming highly respected in his trade as well as in his community.

    There’s an old saying which, I believe, has been lost and forgotten by our younger generations…”nothing worthwhile comes easy.” You children are apparently going to be learning that again some day the hard way because you’ve been raised to believe that everything will be handed to you. Life really doesn’t work that way, and it always comes back to collect its toll.

  30. AWCheney said on 31 May 2008 at 9:15 pm:
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    “And just like the idiotic and unrealistic laws of prohibition of the 1920s, those who choose to ignore such idiotic laws are just exercising common sense.”

    Anonywho, that particular statement exudes far more lack of reason and character than anything I’ve heard/read in a long time…and that’s saying something when it comes to the blogs. Basically you’re saying that if someone believes a law to be idiotic then they should ignore it. So we can assume that, should you decide that laws against stealing are idiotic for instance, you would have the right to go out and steal something just because you either need or want it, right? Prohibition enabled the rise of organized crime in this country precisely because of that kind of an attitude, so I must also assume that you are fully behind the rise of organized crime, correct? I’m sorry…you HAVE no common sense. Your logic is flawed, your knowledge of history would seem to be limited to things you heard as sound bytes from others who are similarly deficient, and you can’t seem to support your arguments without descending into personal attacks against your betters who have considerably more wherewithal than you are able to display. You definitely need to get out of that basement.

  31. Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 10:06 pm:
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    AWCheney,

    I’m sorry…you HAVE no common sense. Your logic is flawed, your knowledge of history would seem to be limited to things you heard as sound bytes from others who are similarly deficient, and you can’t seem to support your arguments without descending into personal attacks against your betters who have considerably more wherewithal than you are able to display. You definitely need to get out of that basement.

    This is nothing more than another addition to your ad hominem attacks that you accuse me of engaging in. Those who throw the first stone…

    There’s an old saying which, I believe, has been lost and forgotten by our younger generations…”nothing worthwhile comes easy.” You children are apparently going to be learning that again some day the hard way because you’ve been raised to believe that everything will be handed to you. Life really doesn’t work that way, and it always comes back to collect its toll.

    Don’t worry you arrogant sod, this generation is doing just fine. What a disgrace you are to the memory of your parents that you now support the persecution of a new wave of migrants who have been denied legal protection under the law. If you are the example of guidance the young should be seeking, the young are better off seeking the truth with fresh eyes.

    Prohibition enabled the rise of organized crime in this country precisely because of that kind of an attitude, so I must also assume that you are fully behind the rise of organized crime, correct?

    Prohibition died for a reason. It was an unrealistic law. You are the one who is in support of organized crime because you support abusive, unrealistic laws. MS-13 wouldn’t be able to make any money through smuggling if immigrants could apply for and receive a visa in a reasonable time frame. But MS-13 grows stronger precisely because of people like you and Greg. You are their most useful idiots.

  32. gdfry said on 31 May 2008 at 10:17 pm:
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    Looks like the advantage goes to AWCheney. You’ve pretty much wiped the mat with that (sick) puppy, congratulations! You are doing a great job, and many more are on your side.

    7,000 repos, sounds like a good/healthy market correction. Plenty of responsible citizens will have an awesome opportunity. This will improve our community in the long run.

  33. MP Resident said on 31 May 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    “7,000 repos, sounds like a good/healthy market correction.”

    Yep. WHO seriously thought that these housing prices were sustainable? When house prices go up like this, there has to be a fundamental underlying reason and when it’s nothing more solid than a bunch of fraudulent loans…well…I saw it coming a long time ago.

  34. AWCheney said on 1 Jun 2008 at 12:18 am:
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    Gdfry, it’s not hard to wipe the mat with someone who comes unarmed to the debate. I should probably be ashamed of myself…Nawww…

    “This is nothing more than another addition to your ad hominem attacks that you accuse me of engaging in.”

    Actually Anonywho, you seem to be the one that can’t get his brain out of that basement and offer anything but an emotional outburst in response to rational opinion. Calling someone a liar and Fascist (to rebelreggie, 4:02 pm), and stupid, arrogant, and an idolater (to me, 7:51 pm…and that idolater REALLY came out of left field) who is attempting to offer a rational, and supportable, opinion in a measured manner defines ad hominem attacks. And then we mustn’t forget that forgettable rant, “And I would suggest you pull your head out of Greg’s rear end, then clean off your face and spit the excrement out of your mouth,” at 4:49. If that’s an example of the images in your mind, you are truly to be pitied…let’s just try to avoid imprinting them upon the rest of us.

    “Don’t worry you arrogant sod, this generation is doing just fine.”

    If you are a prime example of this generation then you’re all (and the rest of us along with you) actually in a lot of trouble, and not doing fine at all.

    “If you are the example of guidance the young should be seeking, the young are better off seeking the truth with fresh eyes.”

    I never suggested that the young should be accepting my guidance, although I’ve done pretty well in that department with a few of them…I was making a prediction, and well you should heed it. How you interpret it is just another example of your inability to comprehend the meaning of the written word outside of the narrow scope of your own prejudices. I don’t consider that a failing of a public education…my own children have done just fine with theirs. Of course, they had me to help and guide them.

    All in all Anonywho, AKA The Truth, AKA TT (my preference), you have done your cause no service here. There is a reasonable, rational debate to be had on the issue of illegal aliens, but you are not the face of it. I have no doubt that you have not taken yourself over to Anti-BVBL because you know that you would be treated as an embarrassment or ignored…they can ill afford people like you on their side. Here you are simply an annoying child that needs his fingers slapped, who shows us a face of the other side of the debate that we have seen all too often. Get out of that metaphoric, or real, basement and seek enlightenment Grasshopper. Now THAT is guidance.

  35. Anonywho said on 1 Jun 2008 at 3:46 am:
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    AWCheney,

    Your whole last post avoided the substance of what I’ve been saying and you tried to focus exclusively on my age and how that is somehow important…then you complete the circle of hyocricy when you say:

    There is a reasonable, rational debate to be had on the issue of illegal aliens, but you are not the face of it.

    Until you can address the substance of my arguments, it is you who cannot face honest debate.

    I guess maybe someone here will be willing to face some honest debate, maybe the Advocator will work up the courage to admit the resolution has nothing to do with the law and everything to do with expelling the immigrants.

    [Ed note: comment edited.]

  36. Anonymous said on 1 Jun 2008 at 4:49 am:
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    Sara: Perhaps you should blame the lawbreakers who gave the illegals (lawbreakers themselves) mortgages in the first place. What makes you think a group of people who have no respect for the laws here would respect a mortgage?

  37. Rick Bentley said on 1 Jun 2008 at 9:02 am:
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    Anonymous, it wasn’t illegal to give out the high-risk loans. Blame Congress. They snuck a provision into a bill in late 2004 I think? 2005 maybe? making it legal for banks to give guaranteed home loans using Matricula Consular Cards as valid ID. The story is hard to find much documentation on but it’s real and it preceded the influx into parts of PWC by illegals into single-family townhouses.

    Blame our elitist politicians most of all.

  38. Bl said on 1 Jun 2008 at 9:17 am:
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    The Politicians like McCain, Obama & Hillary indeed most of the Democrats alone with the rest of the open Border pro-illegal Aliens supporters & the media false compassion for Illegal Aliens is sicking. This Nation has 47 millions citizens without medical insurance, Million of our elderly decide between food and medicine every day. Millions of American children live in poverty with no chance at the American dream. Our vets. return from the war that came about by lies from Politicians without proper medical care or treatment. Yet they shower rewards on the Illegal Aliens, Free medical, Welfare, Free schooling for their many children, while Robbing, Raping and Killing American citizens by the thousands! No reward is too great for the ones that break our laws, invaded this country and demand their rights.

    The Politicians try to get the public to believe it is their great Compassion. Bull, it is the money they get from business from supplying them cheap labor paid for by the tax payers on the Republican side and the welfare votes on the Democrat side. If they really are Compassion and Caring there are Millions of American Citizens that have played by the rules, payed their taxes, obeyed the laws, fought the wars and built this Nation in great need, that the Politicians could use to show their Compassion but Compassion for American citizens does not get either Money or Votes for our Corrupt/Lying Politicians.

  39. DPortM said on 1 Jun 2008 at 9:34 am:
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    For the FBI’s congressional testimony on matricula consular id cards, please visit this link:

    http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/mccraw062603.htm

    “Since Mexico’s Matricula Consular is currently the predominant consular ID card in existence, I will focus my comments today on this particular card. It is believed that consular ID cards are primarily being utilized by illegal aliens in the United States. Foreign nationals who are present in the U.S. legally have the ability to use various alternative forms of identification “most notably a passport” for the purposes of opening bank accounts, gaining access to federal facilities, boarding airplanes, and obtaining a state driver’s license. In addition, foreign nationals who are present in the United States, either legally or illegally, have the ability to obtain a passport from their own country’s embassy or consular office.

    The U.S. Government has done an extensive amount of research on the Matricula Consular, to assess its viability as a reliable means of identification. The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the Matricula Consular is not a reliable form of identification, due to the non-existence of any means of verifying the true identity of the card holder. The following are the primary problems with the Matricula Consular that allow criminals to fraudulently obtain the cards:

    First, the Government of Mexico has no centralized database to coordinate the issuance of consular ID cards. This allows multiple cards to be issued under the same name, the same address, or with the same photograph.

    Second, the Government of Mexico has no interconnected databases to provide intra-consular communication to be able to verify who has or has not applied for or received a consular ID card.

    Third, the Government of Mexico issues the card to anyone who can produce a Mexican birth certificate and one other form of identity, including documents of very low reliability. Mexican birth certificates are easy to forge and they are a major item on the product list of the fraudulent document trade currently flourishing across the country and around the world. A September 2002 bust of a document production operation in Washington state illustrated the size of this trade. A huge cache of fake Mexican birth certificates was discovered. It is our belief that the primary reason a market for these birth certificates exists is the demand for fraudulently-obtained Matricula Consular cards.

    Fourth, in some locations, when an individual seeking a Matricula Consular is unable to produce any documents whatsoever, he will still be issued a Matricula Consular by the Mexican consular official, if he fills out a questionnaire and satisfies the official that he is who he purports to be.”

    The testimony goes on to say why these matricula consular id cards pose major criminal threats and terrorist threats…

  40. BattleCat said on 1 Jun 2008 at 9:54 am:
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    On NBC4 this morning, the uber-putz mayor of Alexandria was bad-mouthing Prince William County’s illegal crackdown policies with statements such as: “we invite immigrants to Alexandria, legal or illegal, but we’d like them to respect our laws”. Nice going, Stupid! If the mayor of Alexandria has a college degree, he should send it back with a full apology for misrepresenting the college.

  41. AWCheney said on 1 Jun 2008 at 6:35 pm:
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    “Until you can address the substance of my arguments, it is you who cannot face honest debate.”

    One can only address substance, Anywho, where substance exists. What, among your comments, would you consider substance? The nonsense you spewed right out of the gate (Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 9:45 am), suggesting that we are running a pogrom, which diminishes what a pogrom actually is and should be quite insulting to the Jewish people. And where did you get your information for the rest of your comment:

    “The Repukes are finished. You’re even losing seats in heavily republican districts. It’s gonna be a huge tidal wave this november. And even worse in 4 years as the children of the immigrants come of age…”

    No one is concerned about the children of immigrants…they are and have always been welcome and should be encouraged to register to vote, as well as vote. The issue, my child, is ILLEGAL ALIENS, who would like to vote and sometimes try, and 4 years for these young illegal aliens to come of age is rather arbitrary…where are your facts? Besides, I expect what you know about politics could fit into a thimble, if that much.

    So, here we go, in your very first comment on this thread you offer absolutely NOTHING of substance. You can’t even offer your opinion, which could be debated constructively, without devolving into personal attacks and some really crude commentary. The big problem is…you only get worse. I could, in fact, offer every one of your comments as examples of lack of substance and personal attacks, but I believe that we’ve already hijacked enough of this thread in an attempt to educate your narrow little mind…although it’s REALLY tempting to tear apart your ridiculous take on MS-13.

    Tell you what, go do some research, think before you hit submit, and start addressing the issues and not personalities and just maybe you might hit on something of substance worthy of debate. Until then, why don’t you just go and annoy the folks over at Anti-BVBL…maybe they’ll actually pat you on the head and sympathize with the little boy who was so badly abused by the big, mean people over at BVBL (that’s their favorite pastime) who would dare suggest that you make a salient point.

  42. AWCheney said on 1 Jun 2008 at 6:49 pm:
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    By the way, although it may look like I called you “Anywho” on purpose, the fact is that I didn’t. I only just noticed that when I went back and read my comment. I apologize…it was a typo and not intentional.

  43. Skeptimaniac said on 1 Jun 2008 at 8:26 pm:
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    Awcheney, your response to that youngster was inspiring. It may have been too intellectually challenging for his immature mind to understand but I enjoyed it.

  44. MP Resident said on 2 Jun 2008 at 12:31 am:
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    “They snuck a provision into a bill in late 2004 I think? 2005 maybe? making it legal for banks to give guaranteed home loans using Matricula Consular Cards as valid ID.”

    Do you have any more information about that? I want to write a letter to Frank Wolf, for whatever good it will do, asking why these loans were allowed to be made, why the taxpayers will be bailing out the banks who made them, and what will be done to prevent this from happening again.

  45. AWCheney said on 2 Jun 2008 at 5:31 am:
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    # Skeptimaniac said on 1 Jun 2008 at 8:26 pm:
    “Awcheney, your response to that youngster was inspiring. It may have been too intellectually challenging for his immature mind to understand but I enjoyed it.”

    Thanks Skeptimaniac, I don’t believe in talking down to the young…or the intellectually challenged. Let him get a dictionary and he might learn something. Unfortunately, reading comprehension is quite another matter…a dictionary won’t help him, but perhaps he’ll learn something anyway.

  46. Yankee Boy said on 2 Jun 2008 at 7:48 am:
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    AWCheney said

    “Anonywho, you would do well to get out of your parent’s basement and into the world if you ever want to be taken seriously”

    Cheney you tak a lot about people in basments. Not everyone is in the basement. We will leave the basement activities under cover of darkeness to you and BRENDEL..
    Two shey anyone? Touche’?

  47. AWCheney said on 2 Jun 2008 at 8:43 am:
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    Oh great, another recalcitrant child. At least the other one could spell.

  48. americangal4ever said on 2 Jun 2008 at 11:05 am:
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    I know this is not about immigration but this is important too.

    Beware of Cap and Trade Climate Bills
    by Ben Lieberman
    WebMemo #1723
    America’s Climate Security Act of 2007 (S. 2191), sponsored by Senators Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) and John Warner (R-VA), is the latest and fastest-moving “cap and trade” bill introduced in Congress this year. All such climate change measures warrant careful scrutiny, as they would likely increase energy costs and do considerably more economic harm than environmental good.

    A Costly Proposition

    These measures would set a limit, or cap, on carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel use. The effect of such a cap would be to impose rationing of coal, oil, and natural gas on the American economy. Each covered utility, oil company, and manufacturing facility would be given allowances based on past emissions or some other formula. Those companies that emit less carbon dioxide than permitted by their allowances could sell the excess to those that do not; this is the trade part of cap and trade. Over time, the cap would be ratcheted down, requiring greater cuts in emissions.

    Each proposal differs from the others on specifics: the stringency of the cap, the number and type of companies covered, the ground rules for allocating and trading allowances, and other details. S. 2191 is, in several respects, more stringent than other cap and trade bills. Its requirement that emissions decline to 15 percent below 2005 levels by 2020–even in the face of a growing population and rising energy demand–sets a very difficult target.[1]

    Measures like S. 2191 that target carbon emissions aggressively will be costlier than those that give the economy more time to adjust to the energy constraints. For example, over the long term, energy companies may find ways to capture and store carbon dioxide emissions underground, rather than emit them into the air, or switch to lower-emitting alternative energy sources as they are developed. But most experts see these advances as taking decades–much longer than the initial targets in S. 2191 allow. In fact, these targets may actually complicate the development of longer-term innovations, as they will divert resources to near-term fixes.

    Carbon dioxide is the unavoidable byproduct of fossil fuel combustion, which currently provides 85 percent of America’s energy. Thus, it will be very costly to move away from this preferred energy source, and especially doing so as expeditiously as S. 2191 requires. A study by Charles River Associates puts the cost (in terms of reduced household spending per year) of S. 2191 at $800 to $1,300 per household by 2015, rising to $1,500 to $2,500 by 2050.[2] Electricity prices could jump by 36 to 65 percent by 2015 and 80 to 125 percent by 2050.[3] No analysis has been done on the impact of S. 2191 on gasoline prices, but an Environmental Protection Agency study of a less stringent cap and trade bill estimates impacts of 26 cents per gallon by 2030 and 68 cents by 2050.[4]

    Even these cost projections may underestimate the true costs, because they assume no unpleasant surprises. But the world has already witnessed many unpleasant surprises with Europe’s ongoing efforts to impose a cap and trade program under the Kyoto Protocol, the international climate treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    In fact, European efforts have racked up significant costs while failing to reduce emissions.[5] Nearly every European country participating has higher emissions today than when the treaty was first signed in 1997. Further, despite ongoing criticism of the United States from Kyoto parties for failing to ratify the treaty, emissions in many of these nations are actually rising faster than in the United States.

    The European experience also shows the problem of cap and trade fraud.[6] None other than Enron’s Ken Lay was a strong supporter of carbon cap and trade when the idea was first floated in the 1990s, saying that it could “do more to promote Enron’s business than almost any other regulatory initiative.” These carbon allowances that will be bought and sold have a value estimated at $50 billion to $300 billion annually, and the trade in them would be a huge new business.[7] Enron may be gone, but others ready to take advantage of cap and trade–often at public expense–are not.

    The actual cost of S. 2191 is difficult to estimate–as America has never had to deal with such severe energy constraints–but would likely be very high.

    A Regressive Tax

    By limiting the supply of fossil fuels, S. 2191 would raise the cost of energy. For consumers, cap and trade means more expensive gasoline and electricity as well as net job losses in energy-dependent sectors. Senator Lieberman himself concedes costs into the hundreds of billions of dollars. And as the Congressional Budget Office has noted, such energy cost increases act as a regressive tax on the poor.[8]

    Lost Jobs

    The net job losses from S. 2191 are estimated by Charles River Associates to be 1.2 million to 2.3 million by 2015.[9] Some of these jobs will be lost for good, due to the impact of higher energy costs on economic activity. Others, chiefly in the manufacturing sector, will be sent overseas. In the very likely event that S. 2191 significantly raises domestic manufacturing costs and that developing nations refuse to impose similar restrictions, the American economy could experience a substantial outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to those nations with lower energy costs.

    Little Environmental Gain

    While the costs of aggressive cap and trade proposals are substantial, the environmental benefits are suspect. This is true even if one fully accepts the claim of man-made global warming. The most ambitious measure to date is the Kyoto Protocol, but even if the U.S. were a party to this treaty and the European nations and other signatories were in full compliance (most are unlikely to meet their targets), the treaty would reduce the Earth’s future temperature by an estimated 0.07 degrees Celsius by 2050–an amount too small even to verify.[10] S. 2191 would at best do only a little more.

    Indeed, a number of economists, including many who are far from global warming skeptics, warn of overly aggressive cap and trade measures imposing costs exceeding the benefits.[11] In other words, the costs of implementing such measures would be higher than the value of the global warming damage that they would prevent.

    The Slippery Slope

    It is a near certainty that the first climate bill enacted will not be the last one. In fact, most major environmental organizations have already criticized S. 2191 and other pending global warming bills as inadequate, or as at best “a good first step.” The economic impacts of S. 2191, though substantial in their own right, could be a mere down payment toward costlier subsequent measures.

    Conclusion

    Cap and trade bills are nothing short of a government re-engineering of the American economy. And S. 2191, with its aggressive targets to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use, would put the nation on a path of serious economic harm not justified by any benefits.

    Ben Lieberman is Senior Policy Analyst for Energy and the Environment in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

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    Call and say NO to S. 2191 Heritage Foundation who looks out for our freedoms is against this bill

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