Comments on: Prince William Leads The Way http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:44:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: americangal4ever http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66649 americangal4ever Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:05:32 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66649 I know this is not about immigration but this is important too. Beware of Cap and Trade Climate Bills by Ben Lieberman WebMemo #1723 America's Climate Security Act of 2007 (S. 2191), sponsored by Senators Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) and John Warner (R-VA), is the latest and fastest-moving "cap and trade" bill introduced in Congress this year. All such climate change measures warrant careful scrutiny, as they would likely increase energy costs and do considerably more economic harm than environmental good. A Costly Proposition These measures would set a limit, or cap, on carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel use. The effect of such a cap would be to impose rationing of coal, oil, and natural gas on the American economy. Each covered utility, oil company, and manufacturing facility would be given allowances based on past emissions or some other formula. Those companies that emit less carbon dioxide than permitted by their allowances could sell the excess to those that do not; this is the trade part of cap and trade. Over time, the cap would be ratcheted down, requiring greater cuts in emissions. Each proposal differs from the others on specifics: the stringency of the cap, the number and type of companies covered, the ground rules for allocating and trading allowances, and other details. S. 2191 is, in several respects, more stringent than other cap and trade bills. Its requirement that emissions decline to 15 percent below 2005 levels by 2020--even in the face of a growing population and rising energy demand--sets a very difficult target.[1] Measures like S. 2191 that target carbon emissions aggressively will be costlier than those that give the economy more time to adjust to the energy constraints. For example, over the long term, energy companies may find ways to capture and store carbon dioxide emissions underground, rather than emit them into the air, or switch to lower-emitting alternative energy sources as they are developed. But most experts see these advances as taking decades--much longer than the initial targets in S. 2191 allow. In fact, these targets may actually complicate the development of longer-term innovations, as they will divert resources to near-term fixes. Carbon dioxide is the unavoidable byproduct of fossil fuel combustion, which currently provides 85 percent of America's energy. Thus, it will be very costly to move away from this preferred energy source, and especially doing so as expeditiously as S. 2191 requires. A study by Charles River Associates puts the cost (in terms of reduced household spending per year) of S. 2191 at $800 to $1,300 per household by 2015, rising to $1,500 to $2,500 by 2050.[2] Electricity prices could jump by 36 to 65 percent by 2015 and 80 to 125 percent by 2050.[3] No analysis has been done on the impact of S. 2191 on gasoline prices, but an Environmental Protection Agency study of a less stringent cap and trade bill estimates impacts of 26 cents per gallon by 2030 and 68 cents by 2050.[4] Even these cost projections may underestimate the true costs, because they assume no unpleasant surprises. But the world has already witnessed many unpleasant surprises with Europe's ongoing efforts to impose a cap and trade program under the Kyoto Protocol, the international climate treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, European efforts have racked up significant costs while failing to reduce emissions.[5] Nearly every European country participating has higher emissions today than when the treaty was first signed in 1997. Further, despite ongoing criticism of the United States from Kyoto parties for failing to ratify the treaty, emissions in many of these nations are actually rising faster than in the United States. The European experience also shows the problem of cap and trade fraud.[6] None other than Enron's Ken Lay was a strong supporter of carbon cap and trade when the idea was first floated in the 1990s, saying that it could "do more to promote Enron's business than almost any other regulatory initiative." These carbon allowances that will be bought and sold have a value estimated at $50 billion to $300 billion annually, and the trade in them would be a huge new business.[7] Enron may be gone, but others ready to take advantage of cap and trade--often at public expense--are not. The actual cost of S. 2191 is difficult to estimate--as America has never had to deal with such severe energy constraints--but would likely be very high. A Regressive Tax By limiting the supply of fossil fuels, S. 2191 would raise the cost of energy. For consumers, cap and trade means more expensive gasoline and electricity as well as net job losses in energy-dependent sectors. Senator Lieberman himself concedes costs into the hundreds of billions of dollars. And as the Congressional Budget Office has noted, such energy cost increases act as a regressive tax on the poor.[8] Lost Jobs The net job losses from S. 2191 are estimated by Charles River Associates to be 1.2 million to 2.3 million by 2015.[9] Some of these jobs will be lost for good, due to the impact of higher energy costs on economic activity. Others, chiefly in the manufacturing sector, will be sent overseas. In the very likely event that S. 2191 significantly raises domestic manufacturing costs and that developing nations refuse to impose similar restrictions, the American economy could experience a substantial outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to those nations with lower energy costs. Little Environmental Gain While the costs of aggressive cap and trade proposals are substantial, the environmental benefits are suspect. This is true even if one fully accepts the claim of man-made global warming. The most ambitious measure to date is the Kyoto Protocol, but even if the U.S. were a party to this treaty and the European nations and other signatories were in full compliance (most are unlikely to meet their targets), the treaty would reduce the Earth's future temperature by an estimated 0.07 degrees Celsius by 2050--an amount too small even to verify.[10] S. 2191 would at best do only a little more. Indeed, a number of economists, including many who are far from global warming skeptics, warn of overly aggressive cap and trade measures imposing costs exceeding the benefits.[11] In other words, the costs of implementing such measures would be higher than the value of the global warming damage that they would prevent. The Slippery Slope It is a near certainty that the first climate bill enacted will not be the last one. In fact, most major environmental organizations have already criticized S. 2191 and other pending global warming bills as inadequate, or as at best "a good first step." The economic impacts of S. 2191, though substantial in their own right, could be a mere down payment toward costlier subsequent measures. Conclusion Cap and trade bills are nothing short of a government re-engineering of the American economy. And S. 2191, with its aggressive targets to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use, would put the nation on a path of serious economic harm not justified by any benefits. Ben Lieberman is Senior Policy Analyst for Energy and the Environment in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation. ************************************************ Call and say NO to S. 2191 Heritage Foundation who looks out for our freedoms is against this bill I know this is not about immigration but this is important too.

Beware of Cap and Trade Climate Bills
by Ben Lieberman
WebMemo #1723
America’s Climate Security Act of 2007 (S. 2191), sponsored by Senators Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) and John Warner (R-VA), is the latest and fastest-moving “cap and trade” bill introduced in Congress this year. All such climate change measures warrant careful scrutiny, as they would likely increase energy costs and do considerably more economic harm than environmental good.

A Costly Proposition

These measures would set a limit, or cap, on carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel use. The effect of such a cap would be to impose rationing of coal, oil, and natural gas on the American economy. Each covered utility, oil company, and manufacturing facility would be given allowances based on past emissions or some other formula. Those companies that emit less carbon dioxide than permitted by their allowances could sell the excess to those that do not; this is the trade part of cap and trade. Over time, the cap would be ratcheted down, requiring greater cuts in emissions.

Each proposal differs from the others on specifics: the stringency of the cap, the number and type of companies covered, the ground rules for allocating and trading allowances, and other details. S. 2191 is, in several respects, more stringent than other cap and trade bills. Its requirement that emissions decline to 15 percent below 2005 levels by 2020–even in the face of a growing population and rising energy demand–sets a very difficult target.[1]

Measures like S. 2191 that target carbon emissions aggressively will be costlier than those that give the economy more time to adjust to the energy constraints. For example, over the long term, energy companies may find ways to capture and store carbon dioxide emissions underground, rather than emit them into the air, or switch to lower-emitting alternative energy sources as they are developed. But most experts see these advances as taking decades–much longer than the initial targets in S. 2191 allow. In fact, these targets may actually complicate the development of longer-term innovations, as they will divert resources to near-term fixes.

Carbon dioxide is the unavoidable byproduct of fossil fuel combustion, which currently provides 85 percent of America’s energy. Thus, it will be very costly to move away from this preferred energy source, and especially doing so as expeditiously as S. 2191 requires. A study by Charles River Associates puts the cost (in terms of reduced household spending per year) of S. 2191 at $800 to $1,300 per household by 2015, rising to $1,500 to $2,500 by 2050.[2] Electricity prices could jump by 36 to 65 percent by 2015 and 80 to 125 percent by 2050.[3] No analysis has been done on the impact of S. 2191 on gasoline prices, but an Environmental Protection Agency study of a less stringent cap and trade bill estimates impacts of 26 cents per gallon by 2030 and 68 cents by 2050.[4]

Even these cost projections may underestimate the true costs, because they assume no unpleasant surprises. But the world has already witnessed many unpleasant surprises with Europe’s ongoing efforts to impose a cap and trade program under the Kyoto Protocol, the international climate treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

In fact, European efforts have racked up significant costs while failing to reduce emissions.[5] Nearly every European country participating has higher emissions today than when the treaty was first signed in 1997. Further, despite ongoing criticism of the United States from Kyoto parties for failing to ratify the treaty, emissions in many of these nations are actually rising faster than in the United States.

The European experience also shows the problem of cap and trade fraud.[6] None other than Enron’s Ken Lay was a strong supporter of carbon cap and trade when the idea was first floated in the 1990s, saying that it could “do more to promote Enron’s business than almost any other regulatory initiative.” These carbon allowances that will be bought and sold have a value estimated at $50 billion to $300 billion annually, and the trade in them would be a huge new business.[7] Enron may be gone, but others ready to take advantage of cap and trade–often at public expense–are not.

The actual cost of S. 2191 is difficult to estimate–as America has never had to deal with such severe energy constraints–but would likely be very high.

A Regressive Tax

By limiting the supply of fossil fuels, S. 2191 would raise the cost of energy. For consumers, cap and trade means more expensive gasoline and electricity as well as net job losses in energy-dependent sectors. Senator Lieberman himself concedes costs into the hundreds of billions of dollars. And as the Congressional Budget Office has noted, such energy cost increases act as a regressive tax on the poor.[8]

Lost Jobs

The net job losses from S. 2191 are estimated by Charles River Associates to be 1.2 million to 2.3 million by 2015.[9] Some of these jobs will be lost for good, due to the impact of higher energy costs on economic activity. Others, chiefly in the manufacturing sector, will be sent overseas. In the very likely event that S. 2191 significantly raises domestic manufacturing costs and that developing nations refuse to impose similar restrictions, the American economy could experience a substantial outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to those nations with lower energy costs.

Little Environmental Gain

While the costs of aggressive cap and trade proposals are substantial, the environmental benefits are suspect. This is true even if one fully accepts the claim of man-made global warming. The most ambitious measure to date is the Kyoto Protocol, but even if the U.S. were a party to this treaty and the European nations and other signatories were in full compliance (most are unlikely to meet their targets), the treaty would reduce the Earth’s future temperature by an estimated 0.07 degrees Celsius by 2050–an amount too small even to verify.[10] S. 2191 would at best do only a little more.

Indeed, a number of economists, including many who are far from global warming skeptics, warn of overly aggressive cap and trade measures imposing costs exceeding the benefits.[11] In other words, the costs of implementing such measures would be higher than the value of the global warming damage that they would prevent.

The Slippery Slope

It is a near certainty that the first climate bill enacted will not be the last one. In fact, most major environmental organizations have already criticized S. 2191 and other pending global warming bills as inadequate, or as at best “a good first step.” The economic impacts of S. 2191, though substantial in their own right, could be a mere down payment toward costlier subsequent measures.

Conclusion

Cap and trade bills are nothing short of a government re-engineering of the American economy. And S. 2191, with its aggressive targets to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use, would put the nation on a path of serious economic harm not justified by any benefits.

Ben Lieberman is Senior Policy Analyst for Energy and the Environment in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

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]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66629 AWCheney Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:43:00 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66629 Oh great, another recalcitrant child. At least the other one could spell. Oh great, another recalcitrant child. At least the other one could spell.

]]> By: Yankee Boy http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66626 Yankee Boy Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:48:08 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66626 AWCheney said "Anonywho, you would do well to get out of your parent’s basement and into the world if you ever want to be taken seriously" Cheney you tak a lot about people in basments. Not everyone is in the basement. We will leave the basement activities under cover of darkeness to you and BRENDEL.. Two shey anyone? Touche'? AWCheney said

“Anonywho, you would do well to get out of your parent’s basement and into the world if you ever want to be taken seriously”

Cheney you tak a lot about people in basments. Not everyone is in the basement. We will leave the basement activities under cover of darkeness to you and BRENDEL..
Two shey anyone? Touche’?

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66617 AWCheney Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:31:22 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66617 # Skeptimaniac said on 1 Jun 2008 at 8:26 pm: "Awcheney, your response to that youngster was inspiring. It may have been too intellectually challenging for his immature mind to understand but I enjoyed it." Thanks Skeptimaniac, I don't believe in talking down to the young...or the intellectually challenged. Let him get a dictionary and he might learn something. Unfortunately, reading comprehension is quite another matter...a dictionary won't help him, but perhaps he'll learn something anyway. # Skeptimaniac said on 1 Jun 2008 at 8:26 pm:
“Awcheney, your response to that youngster was inspiring. It may have been too intellectually challenging for his immature mind to understand but I enjoyed it.”

Thanks Skeptimaniac, I don’t believe in talking down to the young…or the intellectually challenged. Let him get a dictionary and he might learn something. Unfortunately, reading comprehension is quite another matter…a dictionary won’t help him, but perhaps he’ll learn something anyway.

]]> By: MP Resident http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66614 MP Resident Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:31:05 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66614 "They snuck a provision into a bill in late 2004 I think? 2005 maybe? making it legal for banks to give guaranteed home loans using Matricula Consular Cards as valid ID." Do you have any more information about that? I want to write a letter to Frank Wolf, for whatever good it will do, asking why these loans were allowed to be made, why the taxpayers will be bailing out the banks who made them, and what will be done to prevent this from happening again. “They snuck a provision into a bill in late 2004 I think? 2005 maybe? making it legal for banks to give guaranteed home loans using Matricula Consular Cards as valid ID.”

Do you have any more information about that? I want to write a letter to Frank Wolf, for whatever good it will do, asking why these loans were allowed to be made, why the taxpayers will be bailing out the banks who made them, and what will be done to prevent this from happening again.

]]> By: Skeptimaniac http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66605 Skeptimaniac Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:26:50 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66605 Awcheney, your response to that youngster was inspiring. It may have been too intellectually challenging for his immature mind to understand but I enjoyed it. Awcheney, your response to that youngster was inspiring. It may have been too intellectually challenging for his immature mind to understand but I enjoyed it.

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66601 AWCheney Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:49:07 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66601 By the way, although it may look like I called you "Anywho" on purpose, the fact is that I didn't. I only just noticed that when I went back and read my comment. I apologize...it was a typo and not intentional. By the way, although it may look like I called you “Anywho” on purpose, the fact is that I didn’t. I only just noticed that when I went back and read my comment. I apologize…it was a typo and not intentional.

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66600 AWCheney Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:35:27 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66600 "Until you can address the substance of my arguments, it is you who cannot face honest debate." One can only address substance, Anywho, where substance exists. What, among your comments, would you consider substance? The nonsense you spewed right out of the gate (Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 9:45 am), suggesting that we are running a pogrom, which diminishes what a pogrom actually is and should be quite insulting to the Jewish people. And where did you get your information for the rest of your comment: "The Repukes are finished. You’re even losing seats in heavily republican districts. It’s gonna be a huge tidal wave this november. And even worse in 4 years as the children of the immigrants come of age…" No one is concerned about the children of immigrants...they are and have always been welcome and should be encouraged to register to vote, as well as vote. The issue, my child, is ILLEGAL ALIENS, who would like to vote and sometimes try, and 4 years for these young illegal aliens to come of age is rather arbitrary...where are your facts? Besides, I expect what you know about politics could fit into a thimble, if that much. So, here we go, in your very first comment on this thread you offer absolutely NOTHING of substance. You can't even offer your opinion, which could be debated constructively, without devolving into personal attacks and some really crude commentary. The big problem is...you only get worse. I could, in fact, offer every one of your comments as examples of lack of substance and personal attacks, but I believe that we've already hijacked enough of this thread in an attempt to educate your narrow little mind...although it's REALLY tempting to tear apart your ridiculous take on MS-13. Tell you what, go do some research, think before you hit submit, and start addressing the issues and not personalities and just maybe you might hit on something of substance worthy of debate. Until then, why don't you just go and annoy the folks over at Anti-BVBL...maybe they'll actually pat you on the head and sympathize with the little boy who was so badly abused by the big, mean people over at BVBL (that's their favorite pastime) who would dare suggest that you make a salient point. “Until you can address the substance of my arguments, it is you who cannot face honest debate.”

One can only address substance, Anywho, where substance exists. What, among your comments, would you consider substance? The nonsense you spewed right out of the gate (Anonywho said on 31 May 2008 at 9:45 am), suggesting that we are running a pogrom, which diminishes what a pogrom actually is and should be quite insulting to the Jewish people. And where did you get your information for the rest of your comment:

“The Repukes are finished. You’re even losing seats in heavily republican districts. It’s gonna be a huge tidal wave this november. And even worse in 4 years as the children of the immigrants come of age…”

No one is concerned about the children of immigrants…they are and have always been welcome and should be encouraged to register to vote, as well as vote. The issue, my child, is ILLEGAL ALIENS, who would like to vote and sometimes try, and 4 years for these young illegal aliens to come of age is rather arbitrary…where are your facts? Besides, I expect what you know about politics could fit into a thimble, if that much.

So, here we go, in your very first comment on this thread you offer absolutely NOTHING of substance. You can’t even offer your opinion, which could be debated constructively, without devolving into personal attacks and some really crude commentary. The big problem is…you only get worse. I could, in fact, offer every one of your comments as examples of lack of substance and personal attacks, but I believe that we’ve already hijacked enough of this thread in an attempt to educate your narrow little mind…although it’s REALLY tempting to tear apart your ridiculous take on MS-13.

Tell you what, go do some research, think before you hit submit, and start addressing the issues and not personalities and just maybe you might hit on something of substance worthy of debate. Until then, why don’t you just go and annoy the folks over at Anti-BVBL…maybe they’ll actually pat you on the head and sympathize with the little boy who was so badly abused by the big, mean people over at BVBL (that’s their favorite pastime) who would dare suggest that you make a salient point.

]]> By: BattleCat http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66567 BattleCat Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:54:35 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66567 On NBC4 this morning, the uber-putz mayor of Alexandria was bad-mouthing Prince William County's illegal crackdown policies with statements such as: "we invite immigrants to Alexandria, legal or illegal, but we'd like them to respect our laws". Nice going, Stupid! If the mayor of Alexandria has a college degree, he should send it back with a full apology for misrepresenting the college. On NBC4 this morning, the uber-putz mayor of Alexandria was bad-mouthing Prince William County’s illegal crackdown policies with statements such as: “we invite immigrants to Alexandria, legal or illegal, but we’d like them to respect our laws”. Nice going, Stupid! If the mayor of Alexandria has a college degree, he should send it back with a full apology for misrepresenting the college.

]]> By: DPortM http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66566 DPortM Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:34:58 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66566 For the FBI's congressional testimony on matricula consular id cards, please visit this link: http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/mccraw062603.htm "Since Mexico's Matricula Consular is currently the predominant consular ID card in existence, I will focus my comments today on this particular card. It is believed that consular ID cards are primarily being utilized by illegal aliens in the United States. Foreign nationals who are present in the U.S. legally have the ability to use various alternative forms of identification "most notably a passport" for the purposes of opening bank accounts, gaining access to federal facilities, boarding airplanes, and obtaining a state driver's license. In addition, foreign nationals who are present in the United States, either legally or illegally, have the ability to obtain a passport from their own country's embassy or consular office. The U.S. Government has done an extensive amount of research on the Matricula Consular, to assess its viability as a reliable means of identification. The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the Matricula Consular is not a reliable form of identification, due to the non-existence of any means of verifying the true identity of the card holder. The following are the primary problems with the Matricula Consular that allow criminals to fraudulently obtain the cards: First, the Government of Mexico has no centralized database to coordinate the issuance of consular ID cards. This allows multiple cards to be issued under the same name, the same address, or with the same photograph. Second, the Government of Mexico has no interconnected databases to provide intra-consular communication to be able to verify who has or has not applied for or received a consular ID card. Third, the Government of Mexico issues the card to anyone who can produce a Mexican birth certificate and one other form of identity, including documents of very low reliability. Mexican birth certificates are easy to forge and they are a major item on the product list of the fraudulent document trade currently flourishing across the country and around the world. A September 2002 bust of a document production operation in Washington state illustrated the size of this trade. A huge cache of fake Mexican birth certificates was discovered. It is our belief that the primary reason a market for these birth certificates exists is the demand for fraudulently-obtained Matricula Consular cards. Fourth, in some locations, when an individual seeking a Matricula Consular is unable to produce any documents whatsoever, he will still be issued a Matricula Consular by the Mexican consular official, if he fills out a questionnaire and satisfies the official that he is who he purports to be." The testimony goes on to say why these matricula consular id cards pose major criminal threats and terrorist threats... For the FBI’s congressional testimony on matricula consular id cards, please visit this link:

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/mccraw062603.htm

“Since Mexico’s Matricula Consular is currently the predominant consular ID card in existence, I will focus my comments today on this particular card. It is believed that consular ID cards are primarily being utilized by illegal aliens in the United States. Foreign nationals who are present in the U.S. legally have the ability to use various alternative forms of identification “most notably a passport” for the purposes of opening bank accounts, gaining access to federal facilities, boarding airplanes, and obtaining a state driver’s license. In addition, foreign nationals who are present in the United States, either legally or illegally, have the ability to obtain a passport from their own country’s embassy or consular office.

The U.S. Government has done an extensive amount of research on the Matricula Consular, to assess its viability as a reliable means of identification. The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the Matricula Consular is not a reliable form of identification, due to the non-existence of any means of verifying the true identity of the card holder. The following are the primary problems with the Matricula Consular that allow criminals to fraudulently obtain the cards:

First, the Government of Mexico has no centralized database to coordinate the issuance of consular ID cards. This allows multiple cards to be issued under the same name, the same address, or with the same photograph.

Second, the Government of Mexico has no interconnected databases to provide intra-consular communication to be able to verify who has or has not applied for or received a consular ID card.

Third, the Government of Mexico issues the card to anyone who can produce a Mexican birth certificate and one other form of identity, including documents of very low reliability. Mexican birth certificates are easy to forge and they are a major item on the product list of the fraudulent document trade currently flourishing across the country and around the world. A September 2002 bust of a document production operation in Washington state illustrated the size of this trade. A huge cache of fake Mexican birth certificates was discovered. It is our belief that the primary reason a market for these birth certificates exists is the demand for fraudulently-obtained Matricula Consular cards.

Fourth, in some locations, when an individual seeking a Matricula Consular is unable to produce any documents whatsoever, he will still be issued a Matricula Consular by the Mexican consular official, if he fills out a questionnaire and satisfies the official that he is who he purports to be.”

The testimony goes on to say why these matricula consular id cards pose major criminal threats and terrorist threats…

]]> By: Bl http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66564 Bl Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:17:23 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66564 The Politicians like McCain, Obama & Hillary indeed most of the Democrats alone with the rest of the open Border pro-illegal Aliens supporters & the media false compassion for Illegal Aliens is sicking. This Nation has 47 millions citizens without medical insurance, Million of our elderly decide between food and medicine every day. Millions of American children live in poverty with no chance at the American dream. Our vets. return from the war that came about by lies from Politicians without proper medical care or treatment. Yet they shower rewards on the Illegal Aliens, Free medical, Welfare, Free schooling for their many children, while Robbing, Raping and Killing American citizens by the thousands! No reward is too great for the ones that break our laws, invaded this country and demand their rights. The Politicians try to get the public to believe it is their great Compassion. Bull, it is the money they get from business from supplying them cheap labor paid for by the tax payers on the Republican side and the welfare votes on the Democrat side. If they really are Compassion and Caring there are Millions of American Citizens that have played by the rules, payed their taxes, obeyed the laws, fought the wars and built this Nation in great need, that the Politicians could use to show their Compassion but Compassion for American citizens does not get either Money or Votes for our Corrupt/Lying Politicians. The Politicians like McCain, Obama & Hillary indeed most of the Democrats alone with the rest of the open Border pro-illegal Aliens supporters & the media false compassion for Illegal Aliens is sicking. This Nation has 47 millions citizens without medical insurance, Million of our elderly decide between food and medicine every day. Millions of American children live in poverty with no chance at the American dream. Our vets. return from the war that came about by lies from Politicians without proper medical care or treatment. Yet they shower rewards on the Illegal Aliens, Free medical, Welfare, Free schooling for their many children, while Robbing, Raping and Killing American citizens by the thousands! No reward is too great for the ones that break our laws, invaded this country and demand their rights.

The Politicians try to get the public to believe it is their great Compassion. Bull, it is the money they get from business from supplying them cheap labor paid for by the tax payers on the Republican side and the welfare votes on the Democrat side. If they really are Compassion and Caring there are Millions of American Citizens that have played by the rules, payed their taxes, obeyed the laws, fought the wars and built this Nation in great need, that the Politicians could use to show their Compassion but Compassion for American citizens does not get either Money or Votes for our Corrupt/Lying Politicians.

]]> By: Rick Bentley http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66562 Rick Bentley Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:02:13 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66562 Anonymous, it wasn't illegal to give out the high-risk loans. Blame Congress. They snuck a provision into a bill in late 2004 I think? 2005 maybe? making it legal for banks to give guaranteed home loans using Matricula Consular Cards as valid ID. The story is hard to find much documentation on but it's real and it preceded the influx into parts of PWC by illegals into single-family townhouses. Blame our elitist politicians most of all. Anonymous, it wasn’t illegal to give out the high-risk loans. Blame Congress. They snuck a provision into a bill in late 2004 I think? 2005 maybe? making it legal for banks to give guaranteed home loans using Matricula Consular Cards as valid ID. The story is hard to find much documentation on but it’s real and it preceded the influx into parts of PWC by illegals into single-family townhouses.

Blame our elitist politicians most of all.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66553 Anonymous Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:49:58 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66553 Sara: Perhaps you should blame the lawbreakers who gave the illegals (lawbreakers themselves) mortgages in the first place. What makes you think a group of people who have no respect for the laws here would respect a mortgage? Sara: Perhaps you should blame the lawbreakers who gave the illegals (lawbreakers themselves) mortgages in the first place. What makes you think a group of people who have no respect for the laws here would respect a mortgage?

]]> By: Anonywho http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66551 Anonywho Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:46:53 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66551 AWCheney, Your whole last post avoided the substance of what I've been saying and you tried to focus exclusively on my age and how that is somehow important...then you complete the circle of hyocricy when you say: <blockquote> There is a reasonable, rational debate to be had on the issue of illegal aliens, but you are not the face of it. </blockquote> Until you can address the substance of my arguments, it is you who cannot face honest debate. I guess maybe someone here will be willing to face some honest debate, maybe the Advocator will work up the courage to admit the resolution has nothing to do with the law and everything to do with expelling the immigrants. [Ed note: comment edited.] AWCheney,

Your whole last post avoided the substance of what I’ve been saying and you tried to focus exclusively on my age and how that is somehow important…then you complete the circle of hyocricy when you say:

There is a reasonable, rational debate to be had on the issue of illegal aliens, but you are not the face of it.

Until you can address the substance of my arguments, it is you who cannot face honest debate.

I guess maybe someone here will be willing to face some honest debate, maybe the Advocator will work up the courage to admit the resolution has nothing to do with the law and everything to do with expelling the immigrants.

[Ed note: comment edited.]

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66547 AWCheney Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:18:30 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66547 Gdfry, it's not hard to wipe the mat with someone who comes unarmed to the debate. I should probably be ashamed of myself...Nawww... "This is nothing more than another addition to your ad hominem attacks that you accuse me of engaging in." Actually Anonywho, you seem to be the one that can't get his brain out of that basement and offer anything but an emotional outburst in response to rational opinion. Calling someone a liar and Fascist (to rebelreggie, 4:02 pm), and stupid, arrogant, and an idolater (to me, 7:51 pm...and that idolater REALLY came out of left field) who is attempting to offer a rational, and supportable, opinion in a measured manner defines ad hominem attacks. And then we mustn’t forget that forgettable rant, "And I would suggest you pull your head out of Greg’s rear end, then clean off your face and spit the excrement out of your mouth," at 4:49. If that's an example of the images in your mind, you are truly to be pitied...let's just try to avoid imprinting them upon the rest of us. "Don’t worry you arrogant sod, this generation is doing just fine." If you are a prime example of this generation then you're all (and the rest of us along with you) actually in a lot of trouble, and not doing fine at all. "If you are the example of guidance the young should be seeking, the young are better off seeking the truth with fresh eyes." I never suggested that the young should be accepting my guidance, although I've done pretty well in that department with a few of them...I was making a prediction, and well you should heed it. How you interpret it is just another example of your inability to comprehend the meaning of the written word outside of the narrow scope of your own prejudices. I don't consider that a failing of a public education...my own children have done just fine with theirs. Of course, they had me to help and guide them. All in all Anonywho, AKA The Truth, AKA TT (my preference), you have done your cause no service here. There is a reasonable, rational debate to be had on the issue of illegal aliens, but you are not the face of it. I have no doubt that you have not taken yourself over to Anti-BVBL because you know that you would be treated as an embarrassment or ignored...they can ill afford people like you on their side. Here you are simply an annoying child that needs his fingers slapped, who shows us a face of the other side of the debate that we have seen all too often. Get out of that metaphoric, or real, basement and seek enlightenment Grasshopper. Now THAT is guidance. Gdfry, it’s not hard to wipe the mat with someone who comes unarmed to the debate. I should probably be ashamed of myself…Nawww…

“This is nothing more than another addition to your ad hominem attacks that you accuse me of engaging in.”

Actually Anonywho, you seem to be the one that can’t get his brain out of that basement and offer anything but an emotional outburst in response to rational opinion. Calling someone a liar and Fascist (to rebelreggie, 4:02 pm), and stupid, arrogant, and an idolater (to me, 7:51 pm…and that idolater REALLY came out of left field) who is attempting to offer a rational, and supportable, opinion in a measured manner defines ad hominem attacks. And then we mustn’t forget that forgettable rant, “And I would suggest you pull your head out of Greg’s rear end, then clean off your face and spit the excrement out of your mouth,” at 4:49. If that’s an example of the images in your mind, you are truly to be pitied…let’s just try to avoid imprinting them upon the rest of us.

“Don’t worry you arrogant sod, this generation is doing just fine.”

If you are a prime example of this generation then you’re all (and the rest of us along with you) actually in a lot of trouble, and not doing fine at all.

“If you are the example of guidance the young should be seeking, the young are better off seeking the truth with fresh eyes.”

I never suggested that the young should be accepting my guidance, although I’ve done pretty well in that department with a few of them…I was making a prediction, and well you should heed it. How you interpret it is just another example of your inability to comprehend the meaning of the written word outside of the narrow scope of your own prejudices. I don’t consider that a failing of a public education…my own children have done just fine with theirs. Of course, they had me to help and guide them.

All in all Anonywho, AKA The Truth, AKA TT (my preference), you have done your cause no service here. There is a reasonable, rational debate to be had on the issue of illegal aliens, but you are not the face of it. I have no doubt that you have not taken yourself over to Anti-BVBL because you know that you would be treated as an embarrassment or ignored…they can ill afford people like you on their side. Here you are simply an annoying child that needs his fingers slapped, who shows us a face of the other side of the debate that we have seen all too often. Get out of that metaphoric, or real, basement and seek enlightenment Grasshopper. Now THAT is guidance.

]]> By: MP Resident http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66541 MP Resident Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:06:04 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66541 "7,000 repos, sounds like a good/healthy market correction." Yep. WHO seriously thought that these housing prices were sustainable? When house prices go up like this, there has to be a fundamental underlying reason and when it's nothing more solid than a bunch of fraudulent loans...well...I saw it coming a long time ago. “7,000 repos, sounds like a good/healthy market correction.”

Yep. WHO seriously thought that these housing prices were sustainable? When house prices go up like this, there has to be a fundamental underlying reason and when it’s nothing more solid than a bunch of fraudulent loans…well…I saw it coming a long time ago.

]]> By: gdfry http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66538 gdfry Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:17:22 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66538 Looks like the advantage goes to AWCheney. You've pretty much wiped the mat with that (sick) puppy, congratulations! You are doing a great job, and many more are on your side. 7,000 repos, sounds like a good/healthy market correction. Plenty of responsible citizens will have an awesome opportunity. This will improve our community in the long run. Looks like the advantage goes to AWCheney. You’ve pretty much wiped the mat with that (sick) puppy, congratulations! You are doing a great job, and many more are on your side.

7,000 repos, sounds like a good/healthy market correction. Plenty of responsible citizens will have an awesome opportunity. This will improve our community in the long run.

]]> By: Anonywho http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66537 Anonywho Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:06:18 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66537 AWCheney, <blockquote> I’m sorry…you HAVE no common sense. Your logic is flawed, your knowledge of history would seem to be limited to things you heard as sound bytes from others who are similarly deficient, and you can’t seem to support your arguments without descending into personal attacks against your betters who have considerably more wherewithal than you are able to display. You definitely need to get out of that basement. </blockquote> This is nothing more than another addition to your ad hominem attacks that you accuse me of engaging in. Those who throw the first stone... <blockquote> There’s an old saying which, I believe, has been lost and forgotten by our younger generations…”nothing worthwhile comes easy.” You children are apparently going to be learning that again some day the hard way because you’ve been raised to believe that everything will be handed to you. Life really doesn’t work that way, and it always comes back to collect its toll. </blockquote> Don't worry you arrogant sod, this generation is doing just fine. What a disgrace you are to the memory of your parents that you now support the persecution of a new wave of migrants who have been denied legal protection under the law. If you are the example of guidance the young should be seeking, the young are better off seeking the truth with fresh eyes. <blockquote> Prohibition enabled the rise of organized crime in this country precisely because of that kind of an attitude, so I must also assume that you are fully behind the rise of organized crime, correct? </blockquote> Prohibition died for a reason. It was an unrealistic law. You are the one who is in support of organized crime because you support abusive, unrealistic laws. MS-13 wouldn't be able to make any money through smuggling if immigrants could apply for and receive a visa in a reasonable time frame. But MS-13 grows stronger precisely because of people like you and Greg. You are their most useful idiots. AWCheney,

I’m sorry…you HAVE no common sense. Your logic is flawed, your knowledge of history would seem to be limited to things you heard as sound bytes from others who are similarly deficient, and you can’t seem to support your arguments without descending into personal attacks against your betters who have considerably more wherewithal than you are able to display. You definitely need to get out of that basement.

This is nothing more than another addition to your ad hominem attacks that you accuse me of engaging in. Those who throw the first stone…

There’s an old saying which, I believe, has been lost and forgotten by our younger generations…”nothing worthwhile comes easy.” You children are apparently going to be learning that again some day the hard way because you’ve been raised to believe that everything will be handed to you. Life really doesn’t work that way, and it always comes back to collect its toll.

Don’t worry you arrogant sod, this generation is doing just fine. What a disgrace you are to the memory of your parents that you now support the persecution of a new wave of migrants who have been denied legal protection under the law. If you are the example of guidance the young should be seeking, the young are better off seeking the truth with fresh eyes.

Prohibition enabled the rise of organized crime in this country precisely because of that kind of an attitude, so I must also assume that you are fully behind the rise of organized crime, correct?

Prohibition died for a reason. It was an unrealistic law. You are the one who is in support of organized crime because you support abusive, unrealistic laws. MS-13 wouldn’t be able to make any money through smuggling if immigrants could apply for and receive a visa in a reasonable time frame. But MS-13 grows stronger precisely because of people like you and Greg. You are their most useful idiots.

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66533 AWCheney Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:15:10 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66533 "And just like the idiotic and unrealistic laws of prohibition of the 1920s, those who choose to ignore such idiotic laws are just exercising common sense." Anonywho, that particular statement exudes far more lack of reason and character than anything I've heard/read in a long time...and that's saying something when it comes to the blogs. Basically you're saying that if someone believes a law to be idiotic then they should ignore it. So we can assume that, should you decide that laws against stealing are idiotic for instance, you would have the right to go out and steal something just because you either need or want it, right? Prohibition enabled the rise of organized crime in this country precisely because of that kind of an attitude, so I must also assume that you are fully behind the rise of organized crime, correct? I'm sorry...you HAVE no common sense. Your logic is flawed, your knowledge of history would seem to be limited to things you heard as sound bytes from others who are similarly deficient, and you can't seem to support your arguments without descending into personal attacks against your betters who have considerably more wherewithal than you are able to display. You definitely need to get out of that basement. “And just like the idiotic and unrealistic laws of prohibition of the 1920s, those who choose to ignore such idiotic laws are just exercising common sense.”

Anonywho, that particular statement exudes far more lack of reason and character than anything I’ve heard/read in a long time…and that’s saying something when it comes to the blogs. Basically you’re saying that if someone believes a law to be idiotic then they should ignore it. So we can assume that, should you decide that laws against stealing are idiotic for instance, you would have the right to go out and steal something just because you either need or want it, right? Prohibition enabled the rise of organized crime in this country precisely because of that kind of an attitude, so I must also assume that you are fully behind the rise of organized crime, correct? I’m sorry…you HAVE no common sense. Your logic is flawed, your knowledge of history would seem to be limited to things you heard as sound bytes from others who are similarly deficient, and you can’t seem to support your arguments without descending into personal attacks against your betters who have considerably more wherewithal than you are able to display. You definitely need to get out of that basement.

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66531 AWCheney Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:54:49 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/30/prince-william-leads-the-way/#comment-66531 Your ignorance is sorely showing, given that you know nothing of me or my parents, much less about the immigration laws...luck had nothing to do with it. When my parents immigrated to this country, the laws were MUCH stricter than they are now. They came here in the post WWII years from Germany, just when the Korean War was in full swing. It was no small, simple process and they arrived on a train from New York (where we were processed) with their possessions and 50 cents left in their pockets to Alexandria, Virginia. My father, however, had a trade and a job as well as a sponsor for us (per the law) and, within a year, my parents had saved enough money to buy a house. He became HIGHLY successful in a rather short period of time, starting his own business and becoming highly respected in his trade as well as in his community. There's an old saying which, I believe, has been lost and forgotten by our younger generations..."nothing worthwhile comes easy." You children are apparently going to be learning that again some day the hard way because you've been raised to believe that everything will be handed to you. Life really doesn't work that way, and it always comes back to collect its toll. Your ignorance is sorely showing, given that you know nothing of me or my parents, much less about the immigration laws…luck had nothing to do with it. When my parents immigrated to this country, the laws were MUCH stricter than they are now. They came here in the post WWII years from Germany, just when the Korean War was in full swing. It was no small, simple process and they arrived on a train from New York (where we were processed) with their possessions and 50 cents left in their pockets to Alexandria, Virginia. My father, however, had a trade and a job as well as a sponsor for us (per the law) and, within a year, my parents had saved enough money to buy a house. He became HIGHLY successful in a rather short period of time, starting his own business and becoming highly respected in his trade as well as in his community.

There’s an old saying which, I believe, has been lost and forgotten by our younger generations…”nothing worthwhile comes easy.” You children are apparently going to be learning that again some day the hard way because you’ve been raised to believe that everything will be handed to you. Life really doesn’t work that way, and it always comes back to collect its toll.

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