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Murder In Manassas
By Greg L | 2 June 2008 | Crime, Manassas City | 80 Comments
This doesn’t sound like gang activity to you, does it?
On Saturday, May 31, 2008 at approximately 9:00 pm Omar Florencio-Vazquez, 24, of 9719 Beech Place was shot to death in the 9600 block of Grant Avenue.
The victim, two brothers and a cousin walked to the Grant Avenue Shopping Center to get something to eat when they encountered a group of approximately 10 Hispanic males. The victim recognized the group as the same individuals that beat him up two weeks prior.
The victim his brothers and cousin decided to leave the shopping center to avoid a confrontation. As they were walking back home, the group followed them out of the shopping center when one of the men from the group pulled out a gun and shot at the victim several times, killing him.
Suspect is described as a Hispanic male, approximately 5’5” tall, 190 lbs, last seen wearing a white T-shirt and blue jean shorts.
The Manassas City Crime Solvers will pay a cash reward up to $1000 for information that leads to an arrest in this case. The confidential 24-hour tip line is (703) 330-0330.
I’m sure a group of ten guys who hang around the Grant Avenue Shopping Center beating people up or killing them with firearms is something entirely innocuous, like a fraternal organization, or a soccer team, or something. I’ve really got to wonder how this roving band of murderous miscreants escaped the attention of our local law enforcement personnel.
Our prayers should go out to the family of Mr. Florencio-Vasquez. Let’s hope law enforcement is able to rapidly bring to justice those responsible for this outrage. Given that the victim’s relatives likely know the suspects in this case, I imagine that should happen soon.
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The dangerous part is that the shooter could wind up working in someone’s home after being taken on as a day laborer. This is what happens when no background checks are possible. This is where the lack of documentation has real meaning. The illegal supporters say it’s only meaningless paper. Not so.
Well, Greg this is probably the 1st and only time that I will ever agree with you.
I live close to GTS and pass there frequently. However, I never see large groups of people hanging out together. Maybe, I see two or three all who are usually doing business there but no one just hanging out. So I am not sure that the police have either. I have the utmost confidence in the City of Manassas Police and I know they will do all they can to find this person and make an arrest. The other nine need to be held accountable as well.
Sounds like hard-working picked-on children of God minding their own business and trying to make a better life for themselves by doing the jobs Americans won’t do!
All 10 of them should ge the chair. Each one of them.
What happened to the good ol’ days when we all we had were Vietnamese and Korean immigrants? Where did they go? /sarc
Dr Hfuhruhurr said on 2 Jun 2008 at 8:16 am:
What happened to the good ol’ days when we all we had were Vietnamese and Korean immigrants? Where did they go? /sarc
They assimilated.
Does not sound gang related to me.
Maybe, just maybe, the victim filed a police report about the earlier beating and the police will know who to go after.
sounds like hard working american’s to me!
I’m sure they all have proper documentation!
If they had been allowed to be here legally by being granted some form of amnesty, they would never have done such a thing!
Suspect is described as a Hispanic male, approximately 5’5” tall, 190 lbs, last seen wearing a white T-shirt and blue jean shorts.
With that description they should arrest him at any time.
How can you write with such levity on this subject?
A MAN IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!! DO YOU GET IT???
Krutis,
Oh, we DO get it, and we’re fighting an uphill battle to clean this crap up. But too many people are dismissing this stuff and fighting to embrace this sort of “diversity”. Join the fight, won’t you?
Yeah, Krutis. We get it. The question is, do you get it? Do you understand that this crime was totally preventable by enforcement of the Rule of Law at every level of government?
George Bush should take a tip from Italy’s PM (from Newsweek): Berlusconi’s popularity rating topped 50 percent after his anti-immigration security package was revealed—up from a rating of 33 percent just four months ago. “Frankly, I have never seen a prime minister’s approval rating rise like this,” Nicola Piepoli, a leading pollster who conducted the survey, told reporters when he released its results on Tuesday. Maroni, who drafted the legislation, topped 60 percent.
BattleCat and Advocator
Yes, yes, yes, I DO understand. It was a preventable death (as are most violent deaths), and there are no words to describe the “animals” who went after someone trying to avoid a confrontation.
What I object to is the way your write about it. In some way it shows disrespect for the victim. No one, except Greg, has mentioned the pain and sorrow his family is suffering from this despicable act.
As for preventable deaths - Look at what happened in DC this weekend! Eight (8) people killed in a place that’s supposed to have banned gun ownership.
How do you suppose the perpetrators got their weapons? The gun merchants are almost as guilty as the shooters IMO. OK, they didn’t pull the trigger, but they enabled the shooters to do so. A part of the US society seems to believe that all problems can be solved by killing, and the guns are there for the asking.
And, BattleCat, nobody embraces this kind of “diversity”, and you KNOW it.
And Berlusconi is a fascist, Advocator. Is that what you are advocating?
Krutis,
“Gun merchants”
Please.
You have no idea what the level of scrutiny a Federal Firearms Licensee is subjected to.
Laws only constrain the law abiding.
Krutis-
Don’t blame the gun. That’s silly. Nobody “enables” a murderer. Face it, that is their “culture”, the same culture that liberals think is OK to bring to our country. Concentrate on the core issues:
1. A crime was committed. The perpetrator of the crime should be caught and punished by rule of law.
2. In all liklihood, the perpetrator is probably an illegal alien. Had he been a law abiding person, he wouldn’t be here to commit the crime.
I wonder how many “witnesses” will avoid the police, fearing deportation? They fear retaliation, not deportation.
I am truly sorry for the victim’s loved ones.
Krutis: What exactly do you mean by DEAD? Is DEAD the same as DEAD, DEAD, DEAD? I’m just trying to clarify.
mnd - With your statement are you telling me that there is no illegal dealings in guns? Surely you jest!
There might be witnesses coming forward, were they not afraid of deportation. This is one of the adverse results of the Rule of Law. Even legal immigrants are afraid.
How do I know that? I don’t, but I can imagine if I were in such a situation, I’d hesitate.
Fear of retaliation is what keeps the DC police from solving so many of the murders. In the Manassas case there are TWO great fears!
Oh, monticup - Go lay an egg!
I agree with Krutis. Go lay an egg.
Krutis said on 2 Jun 2008 at 11:19 am:
There might be witnesses coming forward, were they not afraid of deportation. This is one of the adverse results of the Rule of Law. Even legal immigrants are afraid.
How do I know that? I don’t, but I can imagine if I were in such a situation, I’d hesitate.
Then YOU are part of the problem!
You wouldn’t hesitate at all?
Krutis said on 2 Jun 2008 at 10:26 am:
Yes, yes, yes, I DO understand.
NO, NO, NO YOU DON’T understand. Do you really think those guns that were used for this weekend’s killings in DC were obtained legally? Guns don’t kill. People do. Put some teeth in the law for illegally REPEAT illegally having a firearm. Pass the death penalty in DC for murder. You won’t see that because the city is run by liberals who would rather put up with murder on a daily basis than initiate the death penalty.
So Krutis, are you saying that all this time and effort expended by el Jefe Deane to cultivate “good relationships” with a certain ethnic community was worthless and would have been better spent on good, old-fashioned police work?
Why do they publish the victim’s name, it might put his family in jeopardy.
999 said on 2 Jun 2008 at 9:20 am:
Suspect is described as a Hispanic male, approximately 5’5” tall, 190 lbs, last seen wearing a white T-shirt and blue jean shorts.
That shoud narrow it down to a couple of thousand.
I third Krutis’ motion that monticup go lay an egg and move for a vote.
Advocator said:
Americans aren’t supposed to think this way. We believe in innocent until proven guilty here. Period. Thats what our soldiers have fought and died for in past wars up to the present situation. Immigration status is completely unrelated to the perpetration of this crime. The two crimes are completely separate. Those who seek to tie the two together are attacking the concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty’. They are sacrificing what our soldiers died for, in order to escalate this pogrom against brown people.
I would suggest you go back and read your constitution Advocator. The constitution protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures. It really doesn’t matter what the polls say. In fact, a truly courageous leader isn’t supposed to consult the polls before defending the constitution of the United States. Otherwise, we will go the way of internment camps again like we did to the japanese.
People don’t kill if they don’t have guns!
Krustis,
Every single criminal(illegal) supporter/apologist supports this type of “diversity”. The same folks who spoke out against the City of Manassas Family ordinance, spoke out against the County Ordinance, they followed up by speaking out against the ICE raids. Simply put, the defenders of criminals want nothing to happen to illegals, and therefore, by their own words and actions want this type of activity to continue.
Now of course the legal status of the victim and his killers need to be established, but I would not be surprised if they all turn out to be illegal.
Actually as this happened in the City of Manassas, how does the resolution even apply?? This is regarding the argument above that people will be afraid to come forward as witnesses - due to the resolution being in effect. This is a City of Manassas police matter, not Prince William County. So that argument doesn’t work in this case.
Krutis,
Krutis said on 2 Jun 2008 at 12:22 pm:
People don’t kill if they don’t have guns!
Wow, that is a pretty amazing statement. Do knives kill? Do hands kill? Do blunt objects kill?
“People don’t kill if they don’t have guns!”
Unless, of course, they have a nice big knife to cut someone’s throat like they did over the weekend in DC.
Krutis, why do insist on being so naive? If people don’t have guns to kill people, well then, they will use whatever is at hand….baseball bat, knife, sword, broken Corona bottle, machete, and whatever else your immagination can conjure up. When someone is hell bent on killing someone else they WILL find a way to kill……comprende? Or is this too complex for you? By the way, when people have guns they can defend themselves from the predatory vermin that insist on inflicting harm on the innocent. Let’s hear it for CONCEALED CARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of note, Manassas resident C. J. Angelos was killed by MS-13 members in Prince William County with knives, not a gun. The homeless guy who was choked to death in 2007 because his buddy thought “homo sapien” actually meant “homosexual” wasn’t shot. The guy let go by the MPCPD who killed a girl a day later in Manassas beat and choked her to death.
I’d suspect that firearms don’t account for even half of the murders in the area.
Krutis,
Your use of “merchant” implied an entity involved in a legal business, not someone fencing stolen firearms out of a van with no FFL and selling to felons who are prohibited from legally owning firearms in the first place.
You’d do well to ask where the ATF is and what they are doing to bring actual criminals to justice instead of making new criminals out of regular law abiding citizens.
Anonimouse:
“Americans aren’t supposed to think this way. We believe in innocent until proven guilty here. Period. Thats what our soldiers have fought and died for in past wars up to the present situation. Immigration status is completely unrelated to the perpetration of this crime. The two crimes are completely separate. Those who seek to tie the two together are attacking the concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty’. They are sacrificing what our soldiers died for, in order to escalate this pogrom against brown people.”
Give me a break. What do you know about what “soldiers” fight for? In the wars you mentioned, there was conscription. When push comes to shove, they fight for the man on the left and the man on the right. Don’t exploit their fraternity for your own political views.
As for this current war, being fought by volunteers, the majority have joined because of deep love of country and patriotism, including the willingness to lay down their lives to maintain the freedom and liberty hard fought for by the generations before them.
I can assure you my husband and his colleagues did NOT join to encourage and ensure the safe passage of illegal alien invaders to our country. In fact, ignoring the border and the illegal alien problem is a slap in the face to everyone in military service, sent abroad to fight the “war on terror” while you on the homefront allow the domestic war on terror to continue unchecked and unabated.
The few patriots here are the only ones who are doing what they can on the homefront to support the men and women in uniform forward deployed.
Nothing sickens me more than a bunch of spineless liberal wimps who want to invoke the use of our military and the constitution. When was the last time you faced down the terrorists in person to defend your “ideals”.
USMCWife said on 2 Jun 2008 at 1:16 pm:
I’m giving you a standing ovation this very moment!!!!
Perfectly stated!
Krustis, think of it this way: chalupas don’t kill people, but the saturated artery clogging fat does. Does that analogy help?
Do I make you hungry baby; do I? Yeah!
USMCwife……AMEN! God Bless you and your family. Our sincere gratefulness and support to your husband fighting for America. The liberal yellow bellied candy a** spineless whimps are patheitic are the true domestic terrorists trying to undermine this great U.S.A. They live in their worlds of lattes, elitism, and self indullgence. The liberals must be defeated.
Yeah, I saw Fenty on the tube Sunday morning saying if they had just switched over to the special “Bill of Rights” Toilet Paper in all DC Government bathrooms, the violence would end. DC’s new travel slogan: “Come to DC, where citizens have the same rights as a deer during hunting season!!!”
Libs are SOOOOOO dumb.
Krutis,
Actually, gang members prefer to kill with knives. They consider it more “manly” to be closer and look into the victims eyes as they push the knife in. Without guns, the victims just get to thank the gang member for taking everything away from them, for taking a father or a mother away from a child while getting stabbed. Once again, nice job, liberals, thinking you’re smarter than the founding fathers.
mnd said:
HAHAHA!!! The exact same thing can be said about the scapegoat-the-immigrants resolution! Can’t you see that you buffoon?
USMCWife said:
They swore an oath to the constitution, not to this administration. This is an unconstitutional war…an illegal war. We need more officers like Lt. Ehren Watada who have the moral courage to put their honor on the line for the sake of their country. The Army tried to nail him, but when the Judge saw that the prosecution would lose he forced the prosecution to file for mistrial which he readily accepted so that the army could file the same charges again. In other words, the army plans to keep putting Watada on trial until they finally can find some way to prosecute him. This is no longer justice. It is a show trial reminiscent of the soviet union. This is what’s happening to the integrity of our officer corp. Any officer who dares to stand up for whats right is crucified like Watada.
Actually, you guys think you’re patriots but you’re Al Queda’s most useful idiots. You’re helping to keep our borders wide open and you don’t even realize it. I’ve explained this all before in a previous thread. Advocator knows what I’m talking about. I destroyed him in cross examination on this point..and he’s still recovering.
Well…you guys certainly seem like terrorists to those immigrants who had to pack up everything and run away with their kids in tow…
FOR YOUR INFORMATION
I have added $500 to the Crime Solvers’ $1000 reward.
How about all you big mouths go and do the same, maybe the creeps who committed this crime will get caught!
Totally fed up with your gassing, chalupas, belittling, put-downs, verbal abuse and what have you! But, in spite of that - here’s hoping to stir you enough to add to the reward. The desire for money might overcome fear. Who knows?!?
So let’s see - you’re saying our armed forces should not follow orders because they disagree with the war (assuming they do disagree). Hate to say it, but I work in the defense industry and know a lot of soldiers, and the ones I know have a lot different view of the war than you might expect. They feel they are making a difference, and they know some of the distortions being made in the media about the war.
Anyway, we’d have anarchy if people in the armed forces only followed orders they agreed with 100% - and didn’t follow orders they didn’t feel like following. It wouldn’t be an armed forces, it would just be an armed mob! Do you really want that?
Krutis said on 2 Jun 2008 at 2:14 pm:
“FOR YOUR INFORMATION
Totally fed up with your gassing, chalupas, belittling, put-downs, verbal abuse and what have you! But, in spite of that - here’s hoping to stir you enough to add to the reward. The desire for money might overcome fear. Who knows?!?”
Gassing and chalupas in the same sentence? Too funny! Who said you were gassing?
Sorry to make you mad Krusty. You like to poke fun and belittle all the time; I didn’t know you couldn’t take it. Why don’t you give Greg and others here a little break once in a while?
AnoniMousy said on 2 Jun 2008 at 2:10 pm: “Advocator knows what I’m talking about. I destroyed him in cross examination on this point..and he’s still recovering.”
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but please don’t waste any time and effort refreshing our memories.
You should not confuse reticence with capitulation. I frequently refrain from entering into verbal sparring with idiots. Third parties may confuse us.
Advocator said on 2 Jun 2008 at 2:38 pm:
” I frequently refrain from entering into verbal sparring with idiots…..”
Since when?
Getting a lille heated around here. Let’s all take a breather and remember that we LIKE each other.
Krutis, you have my respect and admiration for your generous act. It shows a true concern and willingness to do something to help others. As much as I love to pick on your opinions, I admire your spunk and humanity. Well done!
Advoquacker said:
It is I, The Truth, that gave you a righteous spanking on this issue. I guess dementia might be setting in with you because you seem to have forgotten the Constitution of the United States as well. I wish you well in your long, slow decline my old friend…
The Lie -
Did you get lost again? And what a lovely new name you have - it seems to suit you better than “The Truth”…… I’d stick with the new name if I were you.
Those LEGAL immigrants that are afraid are either doing something they shouldn’t or the MWB crowd has told their lies to them.
What reason do they have to be afraid?
BTW- I always see crowds of people at that shopping center.
But passions in the human frame,
Oft put the lion’s rage to shame
Johnson said on 2 Jun 2008 at 3:10 pm:
“Getting a lille heated around here. Let’s all take a breather and remember that we LIKE each other.”
Krusty likes it hot, Johnson.
Um, that sounds kind of bad, doesn’t it? Please strike this comment, editor.
Anonimousy…..we have a flak jacket, helmet, fatigues and M16 waiting for you if you have the guts and nerve to undertake the duties of a combat soldier in Iraq……did I just hear…” oh my God, let’s surrender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” ?
Many of the legal and illegal immigrants are fearful because of the utter garbage that Ricardo Juarez dishes out. I have attended some of his meetings where he has deliberately lied, misinformed, and distorted information in order to secure his base of followers. His ignorant followers see him as their Obama….”a symbol of hope, a future….stay with me because the gringos lie and I am your only hope”. He makes no distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. He plays on the emotions and fears of his own people….he is their own worst enemy.
Krustis,
Sorry, I provide enough support for illegals by paying my taxes and being a responsible home owner in the City of Manassas.
Krustis,
I don’t live in the City but thank you.
I guess I have one question: Would some of you all like it if someone talked to your mother like you do to Krutis? I really don’t think so.
My mother, God rest her soul, would have torn my tail up for being disrespectful.
Johnson, you are a gentleman.
El Bobo said:
Surrender???
Not hardly…you’ve misread your man…
If the day comes where defending my country requires me to pick up arms…you and fascists like you will be the first to know about it…
The dimwitted among the populace who have cotton for brains believe the war propaganda just like the Germans in the 1930s…and a few years later their cheers of affirmation turned to screams of anguish when they saw their children forcibly conscripted and turned into ground meat on the eastern front…
But there are those of us who remember what the German people let happen to them…we know who the real enemies of our country are…and they’re not on the other side of the planet…
USMCWife- I too thank you , your husband and your family for the scarifices that you all have made for our country. I am sickened that they are oversea’s fighting and here at home we let ANYONE walk across our boders!
God Bless America and all of our military troops.
Omar (the person who was killed)was my uncle in law’s brother. It’s so sad that he is gone(althoug i think i didnt know him ‘but it is sad).Please help us out by donating money so we can send he’s body 2 mexico and he’s mom can see him 4 the last time.the boxes are in different stores please im begging help us out we would really appreciate it.
God bless you, USMCWife, and the sacrifices YOU also make to support your husband and our country.
Thanks, Johnson and Dolph!
I don’t live in Manassas either but feeling helpless about the situation, I felt I had to do SOMETHING to help find and prosecute the killer. I doubt that the victim’s family and friends have much cash to contribute!
Anyway, I have contributed the only way I know how. I do it because of the nature of the crime. If the report is correct, the victim tried to leave the area, so as to avoid a confrontation, yet was shot to death
Bedtime for old folks like me. Sleep well!
Anonimousy-
And the “mousy” part is a very appropriate nickname.
Gee, when was the last time you went door to door hunting insurgents and foiling their plots? Gee, when was the last time you could speak assuredly of first-hand knowledge about what does in fact strengthen the terrorists?
You, and rlike minded appeasement fellow travelers are Al-Q’s greatest asset. They smell your weakness and your willingness to capitulate and they are emboldened.
Allowing an illegal alien population and the supporting false identity industry that supports it to flourish unchecked and unabated is a threat to our security and our nation.
What are your national security credentials that make you such an expert? When i live with, and am surrounded by, people vetted and with specific expertise and experience of 24+ years in this arena, long before 9/11, I tend to believe them and accept their wisdom.
And don’t lecture to me about the oath that they swear. I have been to many more than you I am sure as I can recite it verbatim. Unlike you, the words contained are more than symbols but have deep meaning — my husband almost didn’t come home.
But you just keep sipping your lattes and collecting smug points. Do me a favor tho, okay? Just don’t cry “where are the Marines?” when the wolf is at your door. I am sure your “love rays” , “Coexist” bumpersticker and smug liberal talking points will keep you safe.
ThEnd,
You know, I just deleted a long and well thought out rebuttal to your post, because I realized you’re not worth it.
Anonimousy:
Watada deserves to rot in prison. He knew what the expectations were when he “chose” to accept his commission, and what the consequences were. You don’t get to pick and choose when to carry out your orders, which is why we have a professional military, not a mercenary for-hire one like a banana republic.
Chessani, on the other hand, does not deserve to be prosecuted for doing his job and is enduring an ongoing legal nightmare.
But then, guess which officer the liberal media sided with?
Our worst enemies are within.
Krutis,
That was a very noble gesture.
No one deserves to die like that.
I hope that the perps are found and brought to justice.
Well Done Krutis. I hope they catch the criminal that did this. And I hope it is soon. Wonder if there were any security cameras around where this took place.
Dolph said on 2 Jun 2008 at 5:32 pm:
Krustis,
I don’t live in the City but thank you.
I guess I have one question: Would some of you all like it if someone talked to your mother like you do to Krutis? I really don’t think so.
My mother, God rest her soul, would have torn my tail up for being disrespectful.
Two questions for Dolph:
1) Don’t you think you speak disrepectfully to folks on the site everyday? I can remember you calling someone a hilybilly on the site, and you are constantly pontificating as if you were better/smarter than anyone else on the site. And, you never ever apologize to anyone. I honestly think you suffer from short term memory loss!
2) My mother would never act like Krusty does on this site. She has no qualms about sparring with others, but you’ll come running to her side if she can’t take the heat she causes. If she doesn’t like the attention then she needs to stop being so provocative with her comments.
If my mother was anything like you or Krusty I would put myself up for adoption or seek a parental divorce.
Liela,
Thanks for the laugh! You hit the nail on the head about Dolph and Krusty! I haven’t laughed that hard for a long, long time!
WOW - And a good morning to you too, Liela!
Speaking of disrespectful - I don’t crave respect from the commentators,(you and they don’t know me) and I can, as you say, take it. I’m like one of those old sea lions = tough, scarred hide from a long life well lived and — not over yet!
The respect I asked for in this particular case was respect for the murder victim and his family. The early comments were, in my opinion, out of line with unnecessarily snide remarks.
I have to say, though, that your last sentence definitely is disrespectful, no matter what the age of the imaginary mother might be. So, rejoice in your choice of maternal parent!
Si, I would put my self up for adoption as well,and I am 42 years old!
USMCWife said on 2 Jun 2008 at 11:23 pm
This post was the ultimate smackdown. Well done!
“Smug points”? Hilarious!!!
The husband of USMCWife is a lucky man.
Man ya’ll people keep on blaming these problems on “gang” issues, yes, while they are considered “gangs” they are nothing but a bunch of washed up young Hispanic PUNKS that don’t know how to take it to the backyard like back in the day, and have a little scuffle and walk on about your business. Personally I feel all these little gangbangers, whether they be white, black, asian, or hispanic, they all need to be locked upand deported, but the fact of the matter is, this judicial system in the GRAND ‘OL U.S. of A. is weak and pathetic. You let things like child molestors and rapist go, alot of times you acuse women of lying or flase accusations because of lack of evidence or not reporting it right away, did you ever stop to think that MAYBE these women who suffer from these offenses JUST MAY HAVE some mental and emotional issues to deal with and gather up the courage to reach out for help, nonetheless, I was in prison and had a cellmate who was a 3-time convicted Child Rapist, not just a molestor, but he was only 32 years of age, excuse me but how many chances are you going to give those sick individuals, 3 apparently, but nonetheless I went on a roll, the system sucks, the government is weak and too caught up in WORLD issues and controlling the world and its oil, don’t care about the overpopulation in america due to illegal immigrants who most commonly just happen to be Hispanics, they don’t care about the gang issues we have now due to the HISPANICS, sorry to sound racist, I am not, just hate to see people like myself who can’t get a job because you got illegals who are working illegally and now all of a sudden everyone does background checks and YES because I am a convicted felon from back in 2001 I am suffering for my mistake, do I complain, yes, but not to the point where I resort to gang violence, drugs, and crime, so the U.S. has problems we gotta fix them point blank, and personally I feel that if we had a Good ‘ol Gen. Robert E. Lee for a president, not a dumbass Obama, this country would be fixed. I bet people look back at the Civil war, and if the Union army would see how half these people ended up acting when they got their freedom, and how they act now, well, if they could see into the future, this country would still be in tact and they civil war would’ve never been fought, and the land of the free would be a great place to live! My respects to all those people in this society who do actually work hard, whether they be white, Hispanic, Black, Asian, whatever race, their are Hardworking men and women, for the rest of you that screwed this country up, ROT IN HELL!!!!