The Rule Of Law Resolution Gets Tougher
By Greg L | 2 June 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 38 Comments
The draft of General Order 45.01 that will be presented to the Prince William Board of County Supervisors has been released to the press in advance of tomorrow’s Board meeting, and it will absolutely be a crushing disappointment to the local open borders lobby who were hoping that the implementation of the Rule of Law would be relaxed in any way. For those citizens hopeful that the Rule of Law Resolution would remain strong, their wishes have not only come true, but have been exceeded. This General Order toughens the Rule of Law Resolution, and will undoubtedly put additional pressure on illegal aliens to cease their unlawful presence in Prince William County.
Prior to the recent changes, police were required to meet a probable cause standard before asking a suspect about their immigration status that they were going to place into custody. Now, all suspects that are arrested will have their immigration status checked, not just those whose circumstances meet a probable cause standard. For those who are not arrested, when probable cause exists police are required to ask about immigration status, exactly like before, and the information regarding their contact with the suspected illegal alien will be reported to the Department of Homeland Security after the encounter.
From the draft order:
Any time an officer has probable cause to believe a person is in violation of federal immigration laws, a Field Interview Card shall be completed with as much information as possible and forwarded to the Crime Analysis Unit who in turn shall forward the information to the ICE LESC. However, whenever a police offense report (PD 211) is written either for a “Criminal Immigration Arrest” or for any other offense, if there is probable cause to believe a subject identified in the police report is in violation of federal immigration laws, in lieu of completing the entire Field Interview Card, the officer need only complete the back of the Field Interview Card pertaining to illegal immigration and attach the Field Interview Card to the submitted PD 211 as a supplement.
Those under the impression that suspected illegal aliens would soon entirely escape the attention of the police will be very disappointed here. County Police will be required to report to ICE’s Law Enforcement Support Center (LESC) information about each and every suspected illegal alien they encounter when probable cause exists to question their immigration status. When sufficient probable cause is not present to require these checks, police officers may still conduct these inquiries at their discretion pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373 and 1644, and neither the police department nor the county can legally restrict these queries in any way.
The end result here was that all persons arrested will be subjected to checks of their immigration status, those that are not arrested will have their status checked when probable cause exists, and when it does not, police officers may still exercise their lawful discretion to perform these checks. So much for the idea that the Rule of Law Resolution has been weakened here. It has been strengthened, illegal aliens in Prince William County are going to have a tougher time evading the consequences of their unlawful behavior, and the illegal alien lobby has once again had their agenda entirely fail.
I can’t wait to see how the illegal alien lobby and their friends in the mainstream media react to this. They’re going to go ballistic. Tomorrow’s meeting of the Board of County Supervisors is going to be a lot of fun to watch, and I can’t wait to see the editorial board of the Washington Post start sputtering about how they didn’t think this was going to happen.
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Greg, Does PWC have their meetings on TV?? Be interesting to watch the fire works.
Not yet, but soon. Even if it is on TV, I’m not sure whether all the reaction will be visible.
When Mexicanos Sin Froneras showed up at Manassas City Council ten minutes after the decision had been made to accept the Memorandum of Understanding with ICE, even if that had been televised the only thing you’d have noticed would have been John Steinbach and Nancy Lyall getting unhinged during citizen’s time. What you would not have seen would have been their reaction in the audience when they finally realized they had missed the vote. It was hugely comical. First surprise, then shock, and then complete rage that they had entirely missed the main event.
Of course it was fun to see them, still gripped with so much rage that they were visibly shaking when they addressed the council, but without the lead-up to this, you would have missed most of the show.
I’m going to have to remember to carry a pocket voice recorder, since I imagine these folks might get unglued and start shouting at me again. If that happens, I’ll really want to share it.
Greg,
They were shouting at you during the meeting? Wow, that’s way out of order. I’m setting my DVR to record from 2pm to 6pm so hopefully I’ll be home by then if the meeting is still going on.
I’m sure all those “anti’s” and the open borders crowd will have seen your website and are prepared not to miss this vote or let their chance to speak go by.
Sorry, didn’t mean it would be a vote.
ROUND ‘EM UP AND MOVE ‘EM OUT!
That’s the plan!
Will the BOCS be voting on this or is it already set in place? I need to know whether or not to email and call. TIA
I don’t believe there will be a vote, only a presentation of the draft order and an update on the enforcement efforts. Just keep an eye on things for now…
Greg, the “other” site is saying this is not going to happen. Are you sure?
Sorry to get off topic here, as I’m an out-of-stater, but I discovered this earlier this evening at The Agitator website.
Sure hope this works out for the people. Keep on keeping on. I’m trying to light a fire under the local natives here at home to become more involved and start changing some things locally.
My hat is off to you folks who have done a tremendous job in a short time.
Hal
I’m confused -
ladyxx asked if PWC has their meetings on TV
and Greg replied “not yet”
If they don’t, then what have I been watching?
anon, you’re right, it’s broadcast on Comcast Channel 23. Since I won’t ever deal with Comcast again, that’s equivalent to it not being broadcast from my perspective. I understand the county intends to stream video over the internet soon, which will resolve that problem.
Sorry if I caused any confusion.
starry, I linked to the actual draft order. The other side can say what they want, but this is what’s going to be presented tomorrow, and there aren’t the votes there to change it.
Other than the extremist “open borders” groups, private citizens are completely on board with this. Any elected official who opposes this will NEVER be elected in this or any other No VA county.
What clearly makes this general order a no brainer, is the results that we’ve already seen and benefited from.
There are a couple of liberals on the Board who wants to blame the high foreclosure rate on the resolution, but it’s just not true. The developers provided the job’s that attracted the illegal workers here to begin with, and the same developers partnered with unethical mortgage lenders and donated money to political campaigns.
http://www.vpap.org/candidates/profile/money_in_donors/34565?end_year=2007&start_year=2006
Supervisor’s Nohe and Principi just got WEDGIE’S!
Thank you BOCS and Chief Deane.
I’m sure this will be talked about by the BOCS. I don’t think any harm would be done if you called and thanked everyone for staying the course and that you think the G.O. is great. Here are the contacts.
Corey A. Stewart- Office Phone: 703-792-4640
cstewart@pwcgov.org
Wally Covington- Office Phone: (703) 792-6190
wcovington@pwcgov.org
Martin E. Nohe- Office Phone: 703-792-4620
mnohe@pwcgov.org
Maureen S. Caddigan- Office Phone: 703-792-4645
mcaddigan@pwcgov.org
John T. Stirrup, Jr.- Office Phone: (703) 792-6195
gainesville@pwcgov.org
John D. Jenkins- Office Phone: 703-792-4668
jjenkins@pwcgov.org
Michael C. May- Office Phone: 703-792-4643
mcmay@pwcgov.org
Frank J. Principi- Office Phone: 703-792-4646
FPrincipi@pwcgov.org
Rage and visibly shaking? Over what? People who have broken the law and who’s worst punishment would be a trip back HOME?
Unless something so drastically affected your life or loved ones, who would get this way over anything? PETA nuts come to mind…
A little upset, maybe. Annoyed, ok. There is something seriously wrong with these people.
What’s to thank Charlie Deane for? The only thing I can think of is thanks for going into hiding and not holding any recent public displays of unity with the illegals.
Verizon customers can watch on Channel 37.
I hope we don’t lose our Univision service due to the mass exodus that soon will follow. I am addicted to “Fuego”.
I’m looking forward to the day when I don’t have to “press one for English”. It’s coming, and none too soon. We can’t afford to support the current illegal alien population. Not when gas, food and other essentials are skyrocketing.
I think the next logical step is for citizen’s to demand that English be the official language in Prince William County.
The Frederick County, MD BoCS passed a resolution in favor of this a couple of months ago for the purpose of reducing government and school expenses, and to save the taxpayers money. I’m all about cutting unnecessary spending out of the school and government budgets.
It’s time to shrink government and their spending and let us the tax payers keep more of our money.
I disagree, Anonymous1. I think certain documents need to be available in many different languages to accomodate all LEGAL immigrants, who may not be totally conversant in English. We should be encouraging LEGAL immigrants to reside in this County, and adopting English as the official language may dissuade some of them not to reside here.
I think the next logical step is to focus on just how much ILLEGAL aliens are costing us, the legal, tax-paying residents of this County. One of the highest costs that would be easiest to quantify is the amount the schools are spending on educating illegal aliens. That could be accomplished by asking for proof of legal residence at the time of enrollment, for accountability purposes, not for denying enrollment to anyone. Unfortunately, the school board members have not been receptive to my request that they do this for the 2008-’09 school year. Without the support of the school board, the Supervisors do not want to force the schools to do it, since their only leverage is to withhold funds.
Che’ said on 3 Jun 2008 at 9:00 am:
I hope we don’t lose our Univision service due to the mass exodus that soon will follow. I am addicted to “Fuego”.
They gotta change the actors on the soaps. Same actors/actresses on every damn one. Maybe the exodus will increase the pool of “talent.” They are very adept at “acting.”
Good ideas. I wrote the BOCS to thank them, and I like Advocator’s idea about the schools. I’ll write the school board about it also. My one concern would be illegal aliens not believing it and just just keeping their kids out of school for fear of deportation. You’d be trying to convince them to act against their best interests. And it’d be a heck of a fight with the open borders crew. The hand-wringing and accusations of racism would be unprecedented.
My Safeway pharmacy phone system just recently switched to (in Spanish) “Press six for Spanish.” I could have cheered!
Does anyone know how the BOS meeting is going? I’ve got satellite.
Wrong advocator, while I was in Viet Nam chasing the insurgent Viet Cong and carrying Freedom’s torch my wife and daughters spent the fifteen months in Japan. When my daughters, 5 & 6, returned to the states they could not speak a word of english. We put them in school and in a few months they were on track. When my wife first came to the states her english was very minimal. Tough, in about two years she was doing fine and spending our money in all the stores, and communicating like a champ. Of course her being an Asian helps as they don’t seem to rely on someone “taking care” of them.
Advocator said on 3 Jun 2008 at 11:30 am:
I think the next logical step is to focus on just how much ILLEGAL aliens are costing us, the legal, tax-paying residents of this County. One of the highest costs that would be easiest to quantify is the amount the schools are spending on educating illegal aliens.
The court has stated we HAVE to educate illegals. That doesn’t mean we can’t keep track of them.
And there’s nothing that says they have to be allowed to stay or that schools are a de facto “sanctuary”.
Scot Free:
I asked Gil Trenum to sponsor a resolution requiring the schools to account for legal residency. He flat turned me down, citing Plyer v. Doe, which has nothing to do with accounting for the legal status of enrollees. When I pointed that fact out to him, he never replied.
I think the public has a right to know how much of its money is being spent on a group of people who really shouldn’t ought to be here, regardless of what moniker you apply to them (undocumented, illegal, without papers, etc.). I want to know how much of the billion bucks of my local tax money that the schools are eating up is being spent to educate children whose parents drag them into this country by stuffing them into car trunks, by dragging them across a desert, or by wading across a river. I want to know how much of my tax money is being spent on people whose education is the responsibility of other governments. Governments whose existences depend upon foisting their excess population on “el Norte.”
I think the interest that taxpayers have in knowing that information outweighs the possible chilling effect such an accounting may have on illegal aliens enrolling their kids in school.
Conva: I do not disagree with your position that English is learnable by those who want to learn it. My point is that this county needs (legal) immigration, and a symbolic ordinance like declaring English as the official language might dissuade some legal immigrants from coming here.
Thank you for your service and congratulations to your spouse for adopting this country and following its laws while doing so. it really isn’t that hard, is it?
Bravo PWC. Keep up the good fight.
I see the day laboreors are still at the Coverstone 7-11. The rank and file have to WANT to do the extra paperwork required to ask the status.
How much longer will they be able to stand there waiting for jobs? I have noticed that the laundromat on Portsmouth road is near empty now. Before you wouldn’t be able to stir the place with a stick and the parking lot was always full. I know one business that decided not to rent a space next door because of the lack of parking.
About English as the Official Language — by Frederick County, Spotsylvania County and Culpeper County to name a few adopting English as the Official Language does NOT mean that official documents will not be available in other languages. It just means the Counties will not translate and print them in languages other than English. Non profit organizations, private citizens may have these translated (unofficially of course) and made available on the web to any and all interested residents. There are private-sector solutions to this that would enable many to read official documents.
I think jurisdictions might need to prepare documents of a health and safety nature in languages other than English.
And, of course, voting ballots and voting information is subject to Federal laws and might have to be made available in other languages if the jurisdiction is a “covered jurisdiction”, i.e. subject to the law by surpassing certain thresholds.
Guess they are just doing the things Americans won’t do:
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/crime/article.aspx?storyid=81340
Seems we are not alone in the fight on ILLEGAL aliens:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004450665_gop01m.html
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1092203.html
Hispanics are NOT the only ILLEGAL aliens being deported:
http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=94026
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/6/3/992348/More-Chinese-Illegal-Immigrants-Found
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/immigrants_87193___article.html/undocumented_political.html
“And, of course, voting ballots and voting information is subject to Federal laws and might have to be made available in other languages if the jurisdiction is a “covered jurisdiction”, i.e. subject to the law by surpassing certain thresholds.”
Not so, Dave…citizenship requirements require the ability to read and speak English. If they are legally entitled to vote, they should have sufficient knowledge to do so. For any complicated voter situations, there are Election Officials available to them, just as they are for any other citizen. What’s so hard? I was bi-lingual by the age of three.
You would think so, AWC, but the Voting Rights Act specifies that certain “minority language” citizens must have access to voting information and ballots in their own language.
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/sec_203/203_notice.pdf
Covered Jurisdictions
Covered jurisdictions are determined by the Census Bureau after each census based upon a formula set out in the Voting Rights Act. The most recent determinations were made on July 26, 2002.
Covered language minorities are limited to American Indians, Asian Americans, Alaskan Natives, and Spanish-heritage citizens - the groups that Congress found to have faced barriers in the political process.
Section 203 Coverage Formula
A jurisdiction is covered under Section 203 where the number of United States citizens of voting age is a single language group within the jurisdiction:
* Is more than 10,000, or
* Is more than five percent of all voting age citizens, or
* On an Indian reservation, exceeds five percent of all reservation residents; and
* The illiteracy rate of the group is higher than the national illiteracy rate
My, haven’t the laws changed since my parents and I came to this country…and I’m the one NOT complaining about the way it used to be. The more I learn about today’s immigration laws and consequences, the MORE, NOT less, I wonder how anyone who falls under them can complain and demand that they are unfair. They ARE unfair…to the citizens and taxpayers.