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Conservatism For A Four Year Old

By Greg L | 18 June 2008 | Humor & Satire | 42 Comments

One of those from my inbox that is too good to keep to myself:

A good story you can tell even your youngest child and they will know the difference between a liberal Democrat and a conservative Republican.

I remember the time that Catherine, one of my daughter Shannon’s friends when she was little, told me that she wanted to be President one day. Both of her parents are liberal Democrats and were standing there with us - and I asked Catherine, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?’

Catherine replied, ‘I would give houses to all the homeless people.’

‘Wow, what a worthy goal you have there, Catherine.’ I told her, ‘You don’t have to wait until you are President to do that, you can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $5. Then we can go over to the grocery store where a homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $5 to use for a new house.’

Catherine, who was about 4, thought that over for a second, while her mom looked at me, and then Catherine replied, ‘Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop and you can pay him the $5.’

Welcome to the Republican Party, Catherine



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42 Comments

  1. PWConservative said on 18 Jun 2008 at 2:19 am:
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    I Think you need to dumb it down some, liberals can’t grasp such complex metaphors.

  2. Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 3:57 am:
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    Of course, you’d have to check and make sure the homeless guy isn’t an ILLEGAL alien, before you hire him.

  3. Turn PW Blue said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:18 am:
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    So, did the guy get the homeless guy to come over and clean up his yard for $5? My guess, probably not. Yup, welcome to the Republican Party. Lots of bluster. Little action.

  4. freedom said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:38 am:
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    oh no, Krutis….you don’t have to worry about hiring the homeless because illegals aren’t homeless…they just look for an open screendoor and move in with somebody.

  5. sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:55 am:
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    Did the homeless guy offer his services to clean up the dog poop or did he sit on his lazy butt waiting for the government to bail him out of his misery? Liberals wait for the government to bail them out and they end up in a Katrina situation. On the radio this morning they said and I agree that once the flooding in Iowa is over we won’t here about it again. But I am still hearing about New Orleans and Katrina. I am still hearing about how Bush’s government failed the people in New Orleans. Well maybe if those people would have helped themselves they wouldn’t have been in such dire straights.

    The liberals social engineering destroys moral. It enslaves people to voting for free stuff. It tells little children that their dream of going to college is slipping away. It tells people that they aren’t good enough and only the government can give them a pay raise. It tells them that if only they had 37 more dollars a month in food stamps they could splurge on the little extras.

    I would rather wake up homeless tomorrow than live in a government provided house. Necessity is the mother of all invention. Take away necessity and you get a comatose society that waits for government. It is tragic what liberals do to peoples spirits, it is tragic how much they hate our country.

  6. Bl said on 18 Jun 2008 at 8:38 am:
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    Blacks will never be lead to the promise land or realize Dr, King,s dream by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

    Until blacks start taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, instead of playing the victim hood and entitlement game and blaming everyone else for their plight they will not progress! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. Hand outs, a sense of entitlement instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians!

  7. jfk said on 18 Jun 2008 at 9:41 am:
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    Turn PW Blue said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:18 am:
    So, did the guy get the homeless guy to come over and clean up his yard for $5? My guess, probably not. Yup, welcome to the Republican Party. Lots of bluster. Little action.

    No, Greg wasn’t able to hire the homeless man. Because when he tried, Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy popped out from behind the trash can and said that $5.00 was not a living wage, and the fee would need to be raised to $30.00 an hour. Also, the homeless man would need full medical benefits and a retirement pension. He would also have to join the DPSU (Dog Pooper Scoopers Union) Local 20, to keep evil corporate types from exploiting the working class. OSHA stepped in and said that the man needed to be provided with a tyvek suit and respirator, since dog poo is an infectious waste, and promptly fined Greg $1,000 for failure to provide a safe working environment. Then the IRS showed up and arrested Greg for failure to pay taxes for his “employee”.

    Welcome to the world created by liberals and Democrats!

    The only bright spot was that, since the homeless man was illegal, Greg was lauded by MSF, Gerry Connolley, and the Pope for helping an immigrant do a job that 4-year old American girls refuse to do. Krustis still criticized Greg, however.

  8. Che said on 18 Jun 2008 at 9:45 am:
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    Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 3:57 am:
    Of course, you’d have to check and make sure the homeless guy isn’t an ILLEGAL alien, before you hire him.

    Remember the old Mexican saying: “Give a man a chalupa, and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to make chalupas, and Krusty has a new best friend.”

  9. manassascityresident said on 18 Jun 2008 at 9:53 am:
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    jfk said on 18 Jun 2008 at 9:41 am:

    Oh my gosh! You hit the nail on the head with that post! :-)

  10. monticup said on 18 Jun 2008 at 10:52 am:
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    Sahdman: You’re right–the difference between the behavior of Iowans and Katrinans is astounding. Where are the poverty pimp twins, Jackson and Sharpton?

  11. Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:08 am:
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    There’s NO comparison between Katrina and the flooding. Thousands and thousands were not herded into a stadium; hospital patients and personnel were not trapped for days, as far as I know; most houses, albeit under water, are still standing and will most likely be there after the water has receded. The Iowans have something to go back to.

    I detect a rather racist bias in the statements being made with regard to the aftermath of Katrina. But, then, why should that surprise me?

    jfk @ 9:45am - I did not critizise Greg. I only stressed what he stresses: DO NOT HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS, ASK FOR PAPERS, blah, blah, blah….. whether it is for cleaning dog poop or other work. Right?

  12. Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:09 am:
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    Sorry/ jfk at 9:41am

  13. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:11 am:
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    Bl,

    I agree 100% and I am white. I think the sooner “Rev’s” jesse and al move off this orb, the sooner the black race will be able to step up and see the hand that is outstretched for them to take and move up. The black race is no longer oppressed as it was 40, 50 or 100 years ago. Progress has been made and the race is working along side other races in an equal enviroment.

    I agree with the statement that we will not hear anything further from the Iowa floods because those folks are from the mindset of hard work is what it takes to make your way in the world. Farmers will not whine about the loss of crops, fuel or home pocessions. They will not go into town to loot the place, but to give the business owner a hand in cleaning up. It is al about the mindset and what you have people to believe i their minds and hearts.

    Here is an excerpt from a Commentary written by Larry Elder, who by the way is black.

    What Does Obama’s Victory Mean?Thu Jun 5, 3:00 AM ET

    “I intend to proudly vote for Obama,” said a caller to a National Public Radio show, “because I want to show the world what America is all about — that a person of color can become president of the United States.”

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    Let’s put aside whether the caller would express the same enthusiasm were Obama a tax-cutting, Iraq-war-supporting Republican. And let’s put aside what, if anything, America needs to “prove” to the rest of the world.

    Obama — bright, sharp, a solid speaker — ran an incredible, come-from-nowhere campaign to topple a front-runner who, at one time, led by some 30 points. But as Obama once said in criticizing his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the caller acts as if America, as regards race, were “static.”

    What of the last 40 or so years?

    — Today, if black Americans’ gross domestic product were measured separately, it would be the 16th-richest country in the world.

    — Nearly 80 percent of blacks live above the poverty level, contrasted with 65 percent 40 years ago.

    — The greater percentage of blacks live either middle-class or better lives.

    — The employment rate for married black men equals the employment rate for married white men.

    — The average black woman with a college degree makes more money than the average white woman with a college degree.

    — The highest percentage of blacks in American history — 46 percent — own their homes.

    — The majority of blacks live in integrated neighborhoods (defined as living with at least 10 percent of neighbors belonging to “other races”).

    — Black-white interracial marriage has soared — after anti-miscegenation laws were struck down by the Supreme Court in 1967 — from 65,000 in 1970 to 422,000 in 2005.

    — Los Angeles, a city devastated by the Watts riots in 1965, with a population about 11 percent black, hired back-to-back black police chiefs.

    — A black man served as United States ambassador to the United Nations.

    — A black man served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    — Two blacks have served as members of the United States Supreme Court.

    — The largest association of doctors — the predominately white American Medical Association — elected a black physician as leader.

    — The largest association of lawyers, the American Bar Association, elected a black president.

    — The Ford Foundation, one of America’s largest philanthropic private foundations, with 2007 assets valued at $13.7 billion, was led for 12 years by a black man.

    — Blacks hold or have held CEO positions at major companies, such as Merrill Lynch, American Express and Time Warner.

    — Black-owned businesses grow at a rate faster than white-owned businesses.

    — The multiracial Tiger Woods is the world’s most famous and wealthiest athlete in earnings and product endorsements.

    — Major League Baseball — America’s pastime — is composed of 40 percent black, Latino and Asian players.

    — The Super Bowl, the most-watched sporting event in America, recently featured two teams headed by black coaches.

    — Black females have won the Miss America beauty pageant.

    — Black economist and best-selling author Thomas Sowell, based on the number of newspapers that carry his column, is one of the country’s top 10 columnists.

    — “The Cosby Show,” a positive, upbeat sitcom about a black, upper-middle-class family, reigned for years as America’s most-watched television program.

    — Black faces on television abound — in commercials, as local and national news anchors, and in shows playing a variety of characters — from doctors and lawyers up to and including the president of the United States.

    — Will Smith, a black actor, tops the list of the nation’s movie box-office stars.

    — Black actor Samuel L. Jackson appeared in more movies than any other actor of any color during the 1990s.

    — Black television host Oprah Winfrey, arguably one of the most powerful television personalities in the history of the medium, has amassed, to date, a fortune estimated at $2.5 billion.

    — Blacks serve or have served as mayors in many American cities, including the three largest — New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

    — The current speaker of the California Assembly is the first black woman to head a statewide legislative body.

    — Blacks comprise 10 percent of the House of Representatives, including some from primarily white Southern districts.

    — A black man serves as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee — arguably the most powerful committee in the House.

    — A black man served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

    — Virginia, one of the states of the original Confederacy, elected a black man governor.

    — The Republican Party, in the last election cycle, nominated blacks as candidates for governor of Ohio, governor of Pennsylvania, and senator from Maryland.

    — Blacks have served the current administration as back-to-back secretaries of State.

    So, what does Obama’s candidacy mean? His victory shows that America grows ever closer to Martin Luther King Jr.’s vision of a society that judges people based on content of character, rather than color of skin.

    Obama’s victory does not prove this. It confirms it.

    Larry Elder is a syndicated radio talk show host and best-selling author. His latest book, “Stupid Black Men: How to Play the Race Card — and Lose,” is available now.

    Source:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080605/cm_uc_crlelx/op_246305;_ylt=Av7UfmpISvQjOPJ5pF1U8eqYts8F

  14. 999 said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:18 am:
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    Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 3:57 am:
    Of course, you’d have to check and make sure the homeless guy isn’t an ILLEGAL alien, before you hire him.

    You are 100% correct! Glad to see you’ve come around.

  15. monticup said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:49 am:
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    Krutis: You are correct, there is no comparison between Katrina and the Iowa flooding. Iowans were not housed in stadiums because they are not dependent on government to take care of their every need. Iowans responded to the flood threat and didn’t sit there waiting like the Katrinans did.

    Don’t minimize the catastrophic nature of the Iowa floods. Whole towns were wiped out. The media went hysterical over the New Orleans damage but ignored the Mississippi damage. Do you, Krutis, with the super sensitive racial bias detector, detect a rather racial bias in that?

  16. freedom said on 18 Jun 2008 at 12:35 pm:
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    I agree, but it’s not ONLY Iowans and their current strife…Greensburg, Kansas…totally obliterated — everything destroyed by a tornado, is now very nicely and quietly rebuilding. The difference being that those people, like the Iowans, weren’t “government dependent” in the first place.

    Do we really WANT dependency upon the government? Just WHAT would be the end-result if EVERYONE responded “yes”? So sad.

  17. Bob Wills said on 18 Jun 2008 at 12:41 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:11 am:
    Bl,

    I agree 100% and I am white. I think the sooner “Rev’s” jesse and al move off this orb, the sooner the black race will be able to step up and see the hand that is outstretched for them to take and move up. The black race is no longer oppressed as it was 40, 50 or 100 years ago. Progress has been made and the race is working along side other races in an equal enviroment.

    Well I guess equality of the races is not in PWC with the Republican Conservative lead by Stewart and his other I am better then you on the BOCS. When Mr Stokes a black man in January of 07 came before the BOCS to rezone his family home parcel in Gainsville to 18 condo units and a white man came at the same time to rezone 20 single family units in Stewarts back yard in Lake Ridge equaliy ended. The white man was approved in full for his rezoning with out a peep from the board. Mr Stokes on the other hand could not even get a second for his rezoning. His property was approved about 3 months later when he agreeded to reduce the number of units down to 17 and to agree to sell one of the units at 33% off the going sales price for affordable housing. the white man only had to pay 250 per unit toward affordable housing for other. He did not have to sell one of his houses for 33 % less the selling value.

    What total biggots we have on the PWC BOCS. Of course this is not oppression when a white gets better rights then a black !!!!!!!!!!!

  18. jfk said on 18 Jun 2008 at 12:57 pm:
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    Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:08 am:

    “I did not critizise Greg. I only stressed what he stresses: DO NOT HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS, ASK FOR PAPERS, blah, blah, blah….. whether it is for cleaning dog poop or other work. Right?”

    I have yet to ever read a supporting post from you towards Greg. Be it massage parlors, gang violence, or immigration, you always have something negative to say. So, until I see proof to the contrary, I would bet that you would criticize Greg for hiring the homeless guy to pick up doggie droppings.

    BTW-what’s the deal with you and chalupas? Is this an inside joke??

  19. freedom said on 18 Jun 2008 at 1:13 pm:
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    Go home, Bob Wills…wherever that might be…or at least, take a nap. :)

  20. sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 1:30 pm:
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    Bob Wills,
    I don’t know the particulars of the zoning case but it sounds like a lawyer issue to me. If there was any racial discrimination it should be looked into. Republicans are on the side of minorities, Martin Luther King was a Republican, Republicans started the HBCUs. And Republicans started the NAACP.

  21. jfk said on 18 Jun 2008 at 1:53 pm:
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    Abe Lincoln was also a Republican.

  22. Big Dog said on 18 Jun 2008 at 1:57 pm:
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    - Republicans are the party that allows big business
    to stomp on the middle class.
    - Democrats are the party that allows big government
    to stomp on the middle class.
    - Independents refuse to be stomped.

  23. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 18 Jun 2008 at 2:05 pm:
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    monticoup and freedom,

    That is exactly what I was getting at with my post about the flood vitcims. you will not see the Bobsie twins (jesse and al) in Iowa, because there are not enough black people to show the oppression of. I am still waiting for the good “rev’s” to give an appology to the Duke boys for ruining their lives. I guess forgiveness from them only counts towards blacks.

    sahdman,

    I agree it looks like a case of possible discrimination, but without ALL of the facts of the case, isn’t it hard to know if it was truely discrimination? There are lots of reasons one was approved and the other wasn’t and had to make concessions before being approved.

    Were the black guys condos more expensive than the white guys?
    Were the white guys condos in an area that needed more housing?
    Were they both within the covenants of the neighbohoods in which they wanted to build?
    Was the infrastructure already in place for the white guy’s condos?

    Lots more to consider I am sure. I think, as it has been demonstrated in the Rule of Law resolution, that the county board doesn’t want to open up a can of worms for lawsuits.

    jfk,

    I am in the same boat as you with krustis. Quick to cast a disparaging stone, yet won’t clean the glass of her own house to see out of it clearly.

  24. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 18 Jun 2008 at 2:06 pm:
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    Big Dog,

    EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!

  25. freedom said on 18 Jun 2008 at 2:35 pm:
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    Big Dog, I can’t say I disagree. However, the way things are today, if you vote for a third party, it’s a matter of principle. Otherwise, you might as well stay home and not vote because you’re letting others elect either an R or a D for you. :(

  26. MP Resident said on 18 Jun 2008 at 3:15 pm:
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    The difference is that, to some degree, I can choose not to do business with Big Business.

    If I choose not to do business with Big Government I get a jackboot in my face.

  27. Bob Wills said on 18 Jun 2008 at 3:30 pm:
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    sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 1:30 pm:
    Bob Wills,
    I don’t know the particulars of the zoning case but it sounds like a lawyer issue to me. If there was any racial discrimination it should be looked into. Republicans are on the side of minorities, Martin Luther King was a Republican, Republicans started the HBCUs. And Republicans started the NAACP.

    This is a matter or public voting record, There has been no zoning case for residential that has forced to be nice ( blackmailed is more honest ) to reduce the number of units as allowed by the Master Plan and allowed by what the property was zoned for. There has not been one single case of rezoning for any residential units for sale that anyone has had to sell a property for 33 % less then the going sales price. They only have to pay 250.00 toward an affordable houseing fund.

    sahdman if you think of one moment that being a Republican means you treat everyone equal and fairly you have so much to learn.

    freedom that is the problem with people they take naps while the rights of people are violated. Mr Stokes is a gentleman and has more class then anyone on the BOCS. His attorney agress that this would be a very good civil rights violation case and not because he is black but because he was treated differently then anyone else in almost two years of zoning cases in PWC.

    Don’t worry freedom the BOCS will do the same to you if it gets the opportunity and no one will care that it happens to you at all. well maybe someone might not be taking a nap and will talk about it.

  28. Rick Bentley said on 18 Jun 2008 at 3:52 pm:
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    This is funny and a good arguement against liberalism. But is Catherine really ready to commit to the Republican party?

    Is she already paranoid about gay marriage? Does she want Terry Schaivo kept alive for no purpose other than she has a personal desire to believe in humans having a “soul”?

    Has she at this tender age yet mastered the ability to use “states’ rights” as an arguement against Federal actions she doesn’t want, but retain the ability to turn on a dime when she wants something (such as keeping Terry Schaivo alive, “defense” of heterosexuality, making kids recites prayers and pledges, or preventing the State of Florida from interpreting their own conflicting voting/ratification statutes)?

    Does she yet know how to play the illegal immigration issue for fun and profit? How to get the homeless guy to work cheaper by convincing the middle class that they should pay for his medical care if he happens to be illegal? And ever work to convince them that he should be granted amnesty if he does a good job cleaning her lawn?

    She may need a few more tutorials before she’s ready for membership in the GOP. She may want to give voting independent a try.

  29. Jeff said on 18 Jun 2008 at 4:07 pm:
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    Ha ha. Uh, no. It’s more like:

    Every time you clean up the dog poop, you get paid $4, and you give the government $1 in tax.

    Democrats: Give the homeless guy something from the fund you’ve been stashing the $1 taxes in so he can get a hot meal and some shelter.

    Republicans: Don’t give the homeless guy anything (he can go beg from the local church). Spend the money you took in taxes on guns and bullets to shoot the dog that’s been pooping in the yard. Then a build a big fence to keep dogs out of your yard. This will be expensive, so you’ll have to take out a loan. Also, the government stops charging the tax on the CEO of DogPooShovels, Inc. This will encourage him to spend this tax break to develop advance pooper-scooper technology and the money will trickle down by magic to the homeless guy.

    Ron Paul supporters: If you just wish hard enough, dogs will poop rainbows instead of crap.

  30. jfk said on 18 Jun 2008 at 4:20 pm:
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    Rick, whether you want to beleive it or not, gay marriage is an oxymoron and human beings do have a soul. If being an independent means that I have to disavow those two basic facts of life, then I am just fine where I am now.

  31. Wine Please said on 18 Jun 2008 at 4:44 pm:
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    sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:55 am: Amen. And I don’t fully blame the people in New Orleans…sure, they could’ve started WALKING if they didn’t have alternate transportation to leave…but I also blame the idiot crooked liberal nutjobs that were elected to run New Orleans and several surrounding localities. There were congressional reports (and I can’t find them at the moment) that showed that congress approved above-and-beyond what was being requested each year for levee upkeep…yet no levees were updated. But somehow it was all Bush’s fault. Granted, he appointed someone with little-to-no experience to head up FEMA, but I PERSONALLY knew people who went down to Louisiana to help with rescue and clean-up efforts (they were nurses and other First Responders…you know, with training) and were turned away! Meanwhile, those in-charge folks cried foul all over the place and stroked their surviving constituents wimpy egos, saying they weren’t at fault for staying to ride out one of the worst hurricanes.
    And hell, even a fool knows that when you hear that Jim Cantore from the Weather Channel isn’t even hanging around to ride out the storm, you’d best get your butt out’a there!

    monticup said on 18 Jun 2008 at 10:52 am:
    Where are the poverty pimp twins, Jackson and Sharpton?
    Exactly what I was wondering, too…guess there aren’t enough liberal Black voters willing to be bamboozled by those two to entice those two troublemakers to come out and point fingers…

  32. Wine Please said on 18 Jun 2008 at 5:08 pm:
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    Krutis said on 18 Jun 2008 at 11:08 am:

    actually, there is a very close comparison to the floods in the Mid-West and Katrina…those houses may be standing when the water finally recedes, but doesn’t mean that they’re safe to live in. They still have to replace each and every item of their lives that go in their homes…clothes, food, appliances, furniture, vehicles, etc. Many of these people won’t have jobs to come back to since there’s no guarantee a lof to the businesses there can recover their losses, or rehire their entire workforce back. Or they lost their entire harvest and/or livestock.
    Biggest difference? Midwesterners got up and left for higher ground…or sandbagged like crazy. You didn’t hear them crying and whining that the government failed them. They realized, as in the past, that this is a cataclysmic natural event and to get prepared or get the heck outa the way. Some of these folks were the same ones that dealt with the huge blizzards this past winter.
    tell me these images don’t bring back memories from three years ago: Floodwaters leave behind a toxic stew (video) http://www.weather.com/multimedia/videoplayer.html?clip=11129&from=news_top_video

  33. TDB said on 18 Jun 2008 at 5:31 pm:
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    Wine Please-I totally agree with you. That sense of entitlement is something the Democtratic party has fostered for many years. When you’re accustomed to getting a hand out that is what you expect.
    Free cheese for everyone!!!

  34. El Guapo said on 18 Jun 2008 at 6:20 pm:
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    The contemporary conservative way to do this would be for the girl to borrow $10 from Mr. Wong down the street and tell him that her little brother will pay him back some day. Then give the $10 to the home owner in the name of a “garden subsidy” who pockets the money. The dog poop is still there, the homeless guy is no better off, the little brother owes $10 to Mr. Wong, and the home owner gets $10 for doing nothing.

    Note that is the “contemporary conservative” way of doing things.

  35. sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:38 pm:
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    Bob Wills,

    Hey your friend should go after the BOCS if he has a case he should be able to win. I don’t know enough about it but from what you have written it sounds like he might have a good case.

    By the way Theres probably not a lot you could teach me that I already don’t know.

    Hey everybody lets vote for the one who gives out the most free stuff!!! That sums up the Democrats. Thats all anyone needs to know about what kind of people vote for them.

  36. monticup said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:54 pm:
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    Sahdman: That’s why welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote, in my opinion. The desire to vote would give them incentive to get off welfare.

  37. Bob Wills said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:55 pm:
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    sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:38 pm:
    Bob Wills,

    Hey your friend should go after the BOCS if he has a case he should be able to win. I don’t know enough about it but from what you have written it sounds like he might have a good case.

    By the way Theres probably not a lot you could teach me that I already don’t know.

    sahdman now we get to REALITY. What it cost to go to court and the time it takes eliminates most everyone. The Government and business knows that so they don’t give a darn. I never met or knew Me Stokes before his zoning came before the board and have no idea where he is. so this is not based on friendship just a total distane for those who think they are better then others.

    Would never try to teach someone who knows so much more then I do. but I have one law named after my mother in MD and have another case in Va over property rights that the court declaired Fairfax Unconstitutional in refusing to approve a site plan so I might know just a tad bit you may not have learned in life.

  38. sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 10:41 pm:
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    Bob Wills,

    You might know more, I said “probably”
    I didn’t mean to start a peeing match. Good job on getting a law in your mothers name. Do you know if Mr. Stokes got council from a real estate attorney before presenting his proposal to the board of supervisors? Or did he only seek council from an attorney after final approval of his plans? You said earlier he had an attorney. Building an 18 unit condo building I would think you would need an attorney before you even mentioned your plans to the BOCS.

  39. Bob Wills said on 19 Jun 2008 at 8:05 pm:
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    sahdman said on 18 Jun 2008 at 10:41 pm:
    Bob Wills,

    You might know more, I said “probably”
    I didn’t mean to start a peeing match. Good job on getting a law in your mothers name. Do you know if Mr. Stokes got council from a real estate attorney before presenting his proposal to the board of supervisors? Or did he only seek council from an attorney after final approval of his plans? You said earlier he had an attorney. Building an 18 unit condo building I would think you would need an attorney before you even mentioned your plans to the BOCS.

    Mr Stokes had an attorney from Comptons office for the zoning process. You are correct in that few people can do a rezoning on thier own. There are two problems, one is how agressive the property owner is and how much money does he have to fight in a zoning case. The other is how agressive is the attorney or does the property owner want him to be. The miss conception is that the nicer you are to government the easier it is to deal with them. The truth is the harder you are, based on law and facts, the easier it is to deal with government. The attorney’s are not much more then bag men to pay what ever the government wants in order to get the zoning they want. Despite what the BOCS and the GA says the new home owner is the one who pays these cost and they are a TAX which can not be deducted by the home owner.

    Mr Stokes is a gentlemen and he knows he has been screwed by PWC but he not the type to fight them and that is sad. Once Government gets away with something they try it again and again. In my father case in Fairfax the County ignored the Va Supreme Court decision which says if property is zoned you can not demand anything more then what is written in the zoning laws. Fairfax made the mistake of taking on a fight with a man who had the temprement and money to fight and his attorney is the only one I know that has ever guaranshied a Judeges wages over a debt. Of course I told my father what law Fairfax was violated and the attorney to use.

  40. sahdman said on 19 Jun 2008 at 10:50 pm:
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    I won’t argue with anything you wrote. It is a shame Mr. Stokes didn’t follow this up. As far as I am concerned the law is the law and should apply to everyone equally. They shouldn’t have fees or “special” stipulations on your property (to much potential for corruption) as long as the plans are approved, that would take the bag men out of the equation. The affordable housing programs are a good idea in theory, but when government messes with the free markets it never has a good outcome. Mr. Stokes lost 33% on one of his units. The big builders just jack the prices up on the other homes in their big developments and absorb the cost. Once again government in all their infinite wisdom screws the little guy.

  41. monticup said on 20 Jun 2008 at 12:26 am:
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    Sahdman: I have to disagree with you. Affordable housing programs are not good in theory or in reality. Affordable housing means subsidized housing. The builder doesn’t take the hit–he just passes the cost onto the paying customer. People should live where they can afford to live. Period.

  42. Bob Wills said on 20 Jun 2008 at 12:40 am:
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    monticup said on 20 Jun 2008 at 12:26 am:
    Sahdman: I have to disagree with you. Affordable housing programs are not good in theory or in reality. Affordable housing means subsidized housing. The builder doesn’t take the hit–he just passes the cost onto the paying customer. People should live where they can afford to live. Period.

    Then you might agree that the ” Proffers ” that builders are charged are passed onto the new home owner and not as Stewart and the rest of the BOCS say they are not passed on? Where will you get the teachers, police and firemen to work in PWC if something is not done to allow them to be able to buy in the county? Do you think this should be a county of the Elite ?

    Affordable housing for purchse is not Section 8 housing

    Sahdman

    I agree with your feelings but the truth is big builders do not have to sell at 33% off on any housing they only pay the 250.00 per house because there is nothing in the Zoning laws that require you to sell at 33% off for any unit.

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