Then you might agree that the ” Proffers ” that builders are charged are passed onto the new home owner and not as Stewart and the rest of the BOCS say they are not passed on? Where will you get the teachers, police and firemen to work in PWC if something is not done to allow them to be able to buy in the county? Do you think this should be a county of the Elite ?

Affordable housing for purchse is not Section 8 housing

Sahdman

I agree with your feelings but the truth is big builders do not have to sell at 33% off on any housing they only pay the 250.00 per house because there is nothing in the Zoning laws that require you to sell at 33% off for any unit.

You might know more, I said “probably”
I didn’t mean to start a peeing match. Good job on getting a law in your mothers name. Do you know if Mr. Stokes got council from a real estate attorney before presenting his proposal to the board of supervisors? Or did he only seek council from an attorney after final approval of his plans? You said earlier he had an attorney. Building an 18 unit condo building I would think you would need an attorney before you even mentioned your plans to the BOCS.

Mr Stokes had an attorney from Comptons office for the zoning process. You are correct in that few people can do a rezoning on thier own. There are two problems, one is how agressive the property owner is and how much money does he have to fight in a zoning case. The other is how agressive is the attorney or does the property owner want him to be. The miss conception is that the nicer you are to government the easier it is to deal with them. The truth is the harder you are, based on law and facts, the easier it is to deal with government. The attorney’s are not much more then bag men to pay what ever the government wants in order to get the zoning they want. Despite what the BOCS and the GA says the new home owner is the one who pays these cost and they are a TAX which can not be deducted by the home owner.

Mr Stokes is a gentlemen and he knows he has been screwed by PWC but he not the type to fight them and that is sad. Once Government gets away with something they try it again and again. In my father case in Fairfax the County ignored the Va Supreme Court decision which says if property is zoned you can not demand anything more then what is written in the zoning laws. Fairfax made the mistake of taking on a fight with a man who had the temprement and money to fight and his attorney is the only one I know that has ever guaranshied a Judeges wages over a debt. Of course I told my father what law Fairfax was violated and the attorney to use.

You might know more, I said “probably”
I didn’t mean to start a peeing match. Good job on getting a law in your mothers name. Do you know if Mr. Stokes got council from a real estate attorney before presenting his proposal to the board of supervisors? Or did he only seek council from an attorney after final approval of his plans? You said earlier he had an attorney. Building an 18 unit condo building I would think you would need an attorney before you even mentioned your plans to the BOCS.

Hey your friend should go after the BOCS if he has a case he should be able to win. I don’t know enough about it but from what you have written it sounds like he might have a good case.

By the way Theres probably not a lot you could teach me that I already don’t know.

sahdman now we get to REALITY. What it cost to go to court and the time it takes eliminates most everyone. The Government and business knows that so they don’t give a darn. I never met or knew Me Stokes before his zoning came before the board and have no idea where he is. so this is not based on friendship just a total distane for those who think they are better then others.

Would never try to teach someone who knows so much more then I do. but I have one law named after my mother in MD and have another case in Va over property rights that the court declaired Fairfax Unconstitutional in refusing to approve a site plan so I might know just a tad bit you may not have learned in life.

Hey your friend should go after the BOCS if he has a case he should be able to win. I don’t know enough about it but from what you have written it sounds like he might have a good case.

By the way Theres probably not a lot you could teach me that I already don’t know.

Hey everybody lets vote for the one who gives out the most free stuff!!! That sums up the Democrats. Thats all anyone needs to know about what kind of people vote for them.

Note that is the “contemporary conservative” way of doing things.

actually, there is a very close comparison to the floods in the Mid-West and Katrina…those houses may be standing when the water finally recedes, but doesn’t mean that they’re safe to live in. They still have to replace each and every item of their lives that go in their homes…clothes, food, appliances, furniture, vehicles, etc. Many of these people won’t have jobs to come back to since there’s no guarantee a lof to the businesses there can recover their losses, or rehire their entire workforce back. Or they lost their entire harvest and/or livestock.
Biggest difference? Midwesterners got up and left for higher ground…or sandbagged like crazy. You didn’t hear them crying and whining that the government failed them. They realized, as in the past, that this is a cataclysmic natural event and to get prepared or get the heck outa the way. Some of these folks were the same ones that dealt with the huge blizzards this past winter.
tell me these images don’t bring back memories from three years ago: Floodwaters leave behind a toxic stew (video) http://www.weather.com/multimedia/videoplayer.html?clip=11129&from=news_top_video

monticup said on 18 Jun 2008 at 10:52 am:
Where are the poverty pimp twins, Jackson and Sharpton?
Exactly what I was wondering, too…guess there aren’t enough liberal Black voters willing to be bamboozled by those two to entice those two troublemakers to come out and point fingers…

Every time you clean up the dog poop, you get paid $4, and you give the government $1 in tax.

Democrats: Give the homeless guy something from the fund you’ve been stashing the $1 taxes in so he can get a hot meal and some shelter.

Republicans: Don’t give the homeless guy anything (he can go beg from the local church). Spend the money you took in taxes on guns and bullets to shoot the dog that’s been pooping in the yard. Then a build a big fence to keep dogs out of your yard. This will be expensive, so you’ll have to take out a loan. Also, the government stops charging the tax on the CEO of DogPooShovels, Inc. This will encourage him to spend this tax break to develop advance pooper-scooper technology and the money will trickle down by magic to the homeless guy.

Ron Paul supporters: If you just wish hard enough, dogs will poop rainbows instead of crap.

Is she already paranoid about gay marriage? Does she want Terry Schaivo kept alive for no purpose other than she has a personal desire to believe in humans having a “soul”?

Has she at this tender age yet mastered the ability to use “states’ rights” as an arguement against Federal actions she doesn’t want, but retain the ability to turn on a dime when she wants something (such as keeping Terry Schaivo alive, “defense” of heterosexuality, making kids recites prayers and pledges, or preventing the State of Florida from interpreting their own conflicting voting/ratification statutes)?

Does she yet know how to play the illegal immigration issue for fun and profit? How to get the homeless guy to work cheaper by convincing the middle class that they should pay for his medical care if he happens to be illegal? And ever work to convince them that he should be granted amnesty if he does a good job cleaning her lawn?

She may need a few more tutorials before she’s ready for membership in the GOP. She may want to give voting independent a try.

This is a matter or public voting record, There has been no zoning case for residential that has forced to be nice ( blackmailed is more honest ) to reduce the number of units as allowed by the Master Plan and allowed by what the property was zoned for. There has not been one single case of rezoning for any residential units for sale that anyone has had to sell a property for 33 % less then the going sales price. They only have to pay 250.00 toward an affordable houseing fund.

sahdman if you think of one moment that being a Republican means you treat everyone equal and fairly you have so much to learn.

freedom that is the problem with people they take naps while the rights of people are violated. Mr Stokes is a gentleman and has more class then anyone on the BOCS. His attorney agress that this would be a very good civil rights violation case and not because he is black but because he was treated differently then anyone else in almost two years of zoning cases in PWC.

Don’t worry freedom the BOCS will do the same to you if it gets the opportunity and no one will care that it happens to you at all. well maybe someone might not be taking a nap and will talk about it.

If I choose not to do business with Big Government I get a jackboot in my face.

EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!

That is exactly what I was getting at with my post about the flood vitcims. you will not see the Bobsie twins (jesse and al) in Iowa, because there are not enough black people to show the oppression of. I am still waiting for the good “rev’s” to give an appology to the Duke boys for ruining their lives. I guess forgiveness from them only counts towards blacks.

sahdman,

I agree it looks like a case of possible discrimination, but without ALL of the facts of the case, isn’t it hard to know if it was truely discrimination? There are lots of reasons one was approved and the other wasn’t and had to make concessions before being approved.

Were the black guys condos more expensive than the white guys?
Were the white guys condos in an area that needed more housing?
Were they both within the covenants of the neighbohoods in which they wanted to build?
Was the infrastructure already in place for the white guy’s condos?

Lots more to consider I am sure. I think, as it has been demonstrated in the Rule of Law resolution, that the county board doesn’t want to open up a can of worms for lawsuits.

jfk,

I am in the same boat as you with krustis. Quick to cast a disparaging stone, yet won’t clean the glass of her own house to see out of it clearly.