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	<title>Comments on: The Revolt Against McCain</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/</link>
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		<title>By: Citizen 12</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68961</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen 12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68961</guid>
		<description>Politicians are always talking about comprehensive reform. 
But they end up just spinning their wheels over…

Immigration reform
Campaign finance reform
Welfare reform
Medicare reform
Social security reform
Education reform
Banking reform
Bankruptcy reform

The list is never ending

The politicians know what they must do…
re•form 
1. To improve by alteration, correction of error, or removal of defects; put into a better form or condition

They realized the magnitude of the task...
com•pre•hen•sive 
1. So large in scope or content as to include much

So who is going to tell them…
comprehensive reform 
1. Phrase not found in the Dictionary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians are always talking about comprehensive reform.<br />
But they end up just spinning their wheels over…</p>
<p>Immigration reform<br />
Campaign finance reform<br />
Welfare reform<br />
Medicare reform<br />
Social security reform<br />
Education reform<br />
Banking reform<br />
Bankruptcy reform</p>
<p>The list is never ending</p>
<p>The politicians know what they must do…<br />
re•form<br />
1. To improve by alteration, correction of error, or removal of defects; put into a better form or condition</p>
<p>They realized the magnitude of the task&#8230;<br />
com•pre•hen•sive<br />
1. So large in scope or content as to include much</p>
<p>So who is going to tell them…<br />
comprehensive reform<br />
1. Phrase not found in the Dictionary</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68922</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68922</guid>
		<description>Greg you said, "I’m not going to fall for this nutty idea that I have no choice but to support McCain. McCain doesn’t support me. He doesn’t support my community. He doesn’t deserve my support, and he’s not going to get it. Maybe in the long run this might help folks realize that conservatives can’t be taken for granted as a Republican voting block."

...and your better alternative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg you said, &#8220;I’m not going to fall for this nutty idea that I have no choice but to support McCain. McCain doesn’t support me. He doesn’t support my community. He doesn’t deserve my support, and he’s not going to get it. Maybe in the long run this might help folks realize that conservatives can’t be taken for granted as a Republican voting block.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and your better alternative?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68920</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68920</guid>
		<description>Romney will be his running mate and it's pretty obvious they made some backroom deal before Romney dropped out and helped keep McCain in the race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romney will be his running mate and it&#8217;s pretty obvious they made some backroom deal before Romney dropped out and helped keep McCain in the race.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68919</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68919</guid>
		<description>There's "no there there" in any of those links.  McCain has said that, given the response to last year's reform legislation, he would push for border security in the first instance and would not back reform legislation that didn't address this point.  Nothing that I can find in any of your links or elsewhere indicates that he has contradicted that position.  It looks to me like you guys all  jumped off a cliff because Pulido and Obama agents told you to.  You're going to be a lot worse for the wear by November if you are that programmable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s &#8220;no there there&#8221; in any of those links.  McCain has said that, given the response to last year&#8217;s reform legislation, he would push for border security in the first instance and would not back reform legislation that didn&#8217;t address this point.  Nothing that I can find in any of your links or elsewhere indicates that he has contradicted that position.  It looks to me like you guys all  jumped off a cliff because Pulido and Obama agents told you to.  You&#8217;re going to be a lot worse for the wear by November if you are that programmable.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68911</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68911</guid>
		<description>NOVA Scout, the confirmation was referenced &lt;a href="http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/19/the-hispandering-juan-mcamnesty/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  As far as McCain's demonstrated policies, one really needs to look no farther than the McCain-Kennedy amnesty plan that McCain said he would not vote for, but now is saying to select audiences he would promote again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOVA Scout, the confirmation was referenced <a href="http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/19/the-hispandering-juan-mcamnesty/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  As far as McCain&#8217;s demonstrated policies, one really needs to look no farther than the McCain-Kennedy amnesty plan that McCain said he would not vote for, but now is saying to select audiences he would promote again.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68906</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68906</guid>
		<description>I've never known McCain to support an amnesty provision.  I know that propagandists have had a field day saying so, but unless he's saying just give every uninspected entrant a free pass (something I've never heard or seen him advocate), I am unaware of any amnesty provision that has ever received serious consideration anywhere in the federal government.  Give me the link to the Spanish paper and I'll take a look at it.  "This account", as far as I can tell from anything that you've offered up, is Pulido's statement that McCain uttered the phrase "comprehensive immigration reform" three times.  Again, not sure what the problem with that is unless you take the Pulido leap that "comprehensive immigration reform" is a code for amnesty.  Because "amnesty" has been applied loosely to an approach that would level fines for illegal entry, I've always been wary of such sloppy verbiage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never known McCain to support an amnesty provision.  I know that propagandists have had a field day saying so, but unless he&#8217;s saying just give every uninspected entrant a free pass (something I&#8217;ve never heard or seen him advocate), I am unaware of any amnesty provision that has ever received serious consideration anywhere in the federal government.  Give me the link to the Spanish paper and I&#8217;ll take a look at it.  &#8220;This account&#8221;, as far as I can tell from anything that you&#8217;ve offered up, is Pulido&#8217;s statement that McCain uttered the phrase &#8220;comprehensive immigration reform&#8221; three times.  Again, not sure what the problem with that is unless you take the Pulido leap that &#8220;comprehensive immigration reform&#8221; is a code for amnesty.  Because &#8220;amnesty&#8221; has been applied loosely to an approach that would level fines for illegal entry, I&#8217;ve always been wary of such sloppy verbiage.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68894</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68894</guid>
		<description>NOVA Scout, this account was confirmed by a Spanish-language newspaper, so I think the account is legit.

While Pulido got in an uproar about "comprehensive immigration reform" what bothers me most is McCain's depiction of immigration reform advocates such as myself as "the other side".  If he wants to declare his opposition to effectively enforcing our immigration laws and those like myself that advocate for that novel approach, I am more than happy to declare I've no use for this charlatan. My longstanding concerns about his views on the First Amendment (McCain-Feingold campaign finance "reform"), the Second (numerous votes supporting a gun-grabber agenda), and his previous support for amnesty have not been addressed at all, but reinforced.

I'm not going to fall for this nutty idea that I have no choice but to support McCain.  McCain doesn't support me.  He doesn't support my community.  He doesn't &lt;i&gt;deserve&lt;/i&gt; my support, and he's not going to get it.  Maybe in the long run this might help folks realize that conservatives can't be taken for granted as a Republican voting block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOVA Scout, this account was confirmed by a Spanish-language newspaper, so I think the account is legit.</p>
<p>While Pulido got in an uproar about &#8220;comprehensive immigration reform&#8221; what bothers me most is McCain&#8217;s depiction of immigration reform advocates such as myself as &#8220;the other side&#8221;.  If he wants to declare his opposition to effectively enforcing our immigration laws and those like myself that advocate for that novel approach, I am more than happy to declare I&#8217;ve no use for this charlatan. My longstanding concerns about his views on the First Amendment (McCain-Feingold campaign finance &#8220;reform&#8221;), the Second (numerous votes supporting a gun-grabber agenda), and his previous support for amnesty have not been addressed at all, but reinforced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to fall for this nutty idea that I have no choice but to support McCain.  McCain doesn&#8217;t support me.  He doesn&#8217;t support my community.  He doesn&#8217;t <i>deserve</i> my support, and he&#8217;s not going to get it.  Maybe in the long run this might help folks realize that conservatives can&#8217;t be taken for granted as a Republican voting block.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68887</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68887</guid>
		<description>What really happened here to cause this mini-furor in our little corner of Northern Virginia?  The whole sequence of events shows that many of you can just as easily be played on the national stage as you were on the local level.  Opportunistic pols told you what you wanted to hear and got themselves elected last year.  When you analyze where you ended up, it's not appreciably different than the status quo ante other than the direct and indirect costs of public silliness.  Most of you still don't realize you were had. 

On this particular incident with McCain (or, to be precise, about McCain - I'm not sure McCain did anything at all), if you dig through the links and try to figure out what happened, you come down to the fact that the furor on this site (and, presumably, others like it) is totally attributable to some tossed off remarks by Ms. Rosanna Pulido.  I have found no direct links to the exact content of McCain's remarks, only to Ms. Pulido's description of them.  Even her account says only that the Senator used the phrase "comprehensive immigration reform" three times (adding her personal interpretation that she thinks of that phrase as meaning "amnesty").  Taking her account that the Senator continues to think that federal immigration reform is in the national interest at face value - is that any reason for Greg and others to go into a death spiral?  All of you know that we need federal immigration reform.  There may be disagreement about what the content of that reform should be, but I haven't heard a soul defend the current situation. 

In the link that Greg himself provides, there's strong evidence that the Obama camp is acting as an agent provocateur on this.  Are you guys really that controllable by the most liberal candidate since George McGovern?  You're like Pavlov's dogs.  By November you'll be completely programmed.   Child's play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really happened here to cause this mini-furor in our little corner of Northern Virginia?  The whole sequence of events shows that many of you can just as easily be played on the national stage as you were on the local level.  Opportunistic pols told you what you wanted to hear and got themselves elected last year.  When you analyze where you ended up, it&#8217;s not appreciably different than the status quo ante other than the direct and indirect costs of public silliness.  Most of you still don&#8217;t realize you were had. </p>
<p>On this particular incident with McCain (or, to be precise, about McCain - I&#8217;m not sure McCain did anything at all), if you dig through the links and try to figure out what happened, you come down to the fact that the furor on this site (and, presumably, others like it) is totally attributable to some tossed off remarks by Ms. Rosanna Pulido.  I have found no direct links to the exact content of McCain&#8217;s remarks, only to Ms. Pulido&#8217;s description of them.  Even her account says only that the Senator used the phrase &#8220;comprehensive immigration reform&#8221; three times (adding her personal interpretation that she thinks of that phrase as meaning &#8220;amnesty&#8221;).  Taking her account that the Senator continues to think that federal immigration reform is in the national interest at face value - is that any reason for Greg and others to go into a death spiral?  All of you know that we need federal immigration reform.  There may be disagreement about what the content of that reform should be, but I haven&#8217;t heard a soul defend the current situation. </p>
<p>In the link that Greg himself provides, there&#8217;s strong evidence that the Obama camp is acting as an agent provocateur on this.  Are you guys really that controllable by the most liberal candidate since George McGovern?  You&#8217;re like Pavlov&#8217;s dogs.  By November you&#8217;ll be completely programmed.   Child&#8217;s play.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68886</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68886</guid>
		<description>Now, with THAT, I wholeheartedly agree, Greg!!  :) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, with THAT, I wholeheartedly agree, Greg!!  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> :)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68875</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68875</guid>
		<description>Let's all hold our breath waiting until McCain names Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo as his running mate.  Like that's going to happen -- not.  I'm sure we'll all feel a great sense of relief when McCain names someone like Arlen Specter or Olympia Snowe as VP, at which time the collective conservative movement is going to fill every toilet in America with vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s all hold our breath waiting until McCain names Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo as his running mate.  Like that&#8217;s going to happen &#8212; not.  I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll all feel a great sense of relief when McCain names someone like Arlen Specter or Olympia Snowe as VP, at which time the collective conservative movement is going to fill every toilet in America with vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Durden</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68873</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Durden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68873</guid>
		<description>We should wait until he names a Vice, and consider the long and short term options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should wait until he names a Vice, and consider the long and short term options.</p>
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		<title>By: Taco Truck Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68863</link>
		<dc:creator>Taco Truck Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68863</guid>
		<description>Hi Juan here from Juan's Tacos,  Survey says most people in America support some type of Taco Reform.  I say no to taco reform.  Leave tacos the way they are.  We here at Juan's Tacos are busy bringing you quality tacos at the lowest prices possible.  Let's just leave untaxed, unlicensed, unregulated tacos alone OK?

http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juan here from Juan&#8217;s Tacos,  Survey says most people in America support some type of Taco Reform.  I say no to taco reform.  Leave tacos the way they are.  We here at Juan&#8217;s Tacos are busy bringing you quality tacos at the lowest prices possible.  Let&#8217;s just leave untaxed, unlicensed, unregulated tacos alone OK?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815" rel="nofollow">http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68856</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68856</guid>
		<description>Juan McAmnesty has a nice ring to it also.

I respect McCain's sacrifice for this country - as I do Max Cleland's also, for example - but I'd be very, very, very afraid to undergo a McCain presidency.  Folks, this guy is a wack job.  He has a split personality and a quick temper and an innate desire to pi** people off.  I don't doubt that he's capable of bizarre behavior that would make the current President's pale by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan McAmnesty has a nice ring to it also.</p>
<p>I respect McCain&#8217;s sacrifice for this country - as I do Max Cleland&#8217;s also, for example - but I&#8217;d be very, very, very afraid to undergo a McCain presidency.  Folks, this guy is a wack job.  He has a split personality and a quick temper and an innate desire to pi** people off.  I don&#8217;t doubt that he&#8217;s capable of bizarre behavior that would make the current President&#8217;s pale by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68853</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68853</guid>
		<description>It seems to me the most concise and catchy way to get the message across is to consistently refer to him as Juan McCain.  This might be interpreted by some as an anti-Hispanic slur, but it can be taken as poking fun of McCain's superior love for citizens of Mexico as opposed to our own.  It is a defining issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me the most concise and catchy way to get the message across is to consistently refer to him as Juan McCain.  This might be interpreted by some as an anti-Hispanic slur, but it can be taken as poking fun of McCain&#8217;s superior love for citizens of Mexico as opposed to our own.  It is a defining issue.</p>
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		<title>By: KO</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68845</link>
		<dc:creator>KO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68845</guid>
		<description>I don't see any quotes from Tancredo in Greg's post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any quotes from Tancredo in Greg&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68842</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68842</guid>
		<description>It is funny to me that he toyed with running as Kerry's VP and nowadays if a reporter asks him about it he just blows a gasket and then gets a pass on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny to me that he toyed with running as Kerry&#8217;s VP and nowadays if a reporter asks him about it he just blows a gasket and then gets a pass on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68840</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/22/the-revolt-against-mccain/#comment-68840</guid>
		<description>As far as the idea that Tancredo is supporting McCain, this item from an email by the Team America PAC should put that notion to rest:

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PRESIDENTIAL WATCH
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Behind Closed Doors, McCain Promises Hispanics Amnesty
Maybe we're beating a dead horse, but just in case anyone still believes John McCain when he said, "I got the message" and will "secure the border first," this item should dispel that notion.  Yesterday, McCain held a closed door meeting with Hispanic activists in Chicago where he promised "comprehensive immigration reform."
 
McCain assumed they all supported his agenda, but a patriotic Hispanic named Rosanna Pulido spilled the pinto beans, and exposed McCain's pandering.  Not only was he calling for amnesty, but he was also kissing up to the Reconquistas, "I bet some of you don't know this -- did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?"  
 
Pulido says she's outraged "that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the idea that Tancredo is supporting McCain, this item from an email by the Team America PAC should put that notion to rest:</p>
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PRESIDENTIAL WATCH<br />
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<p>Behind Closed Doors, McCain Promises Hispanics Amnesty<br />
Maybe we&#8217;re beating a dead horse, but just in case anyone still believes John McCain when he said, &#8220;I got the message&#8221; and will &#8220;secure the border first,&#8221; this item should dispel that notion.  Yesterday, McCain held a closed door meeting with Hispanic activists in Chicago where he promised &#8220;comprehensive immigration reform.&#8221;</p>
<p>McCain assumed they all supported his agenda, but a patriotic Hispanic named Rosanna Pulido spilled the pinto beans, and exposed McCain&#8217;s pandering.  Not only was he calling for amnesty, but he was also kissing up to the Reconquistas, &#8220;I bet some of you don&#8217;t know this &#8212; did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Pulido says she&#8217;s outraged &#8220;that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen 12</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zeezil said on 23 Jun 2008 at 9:39 am: 

And don't forget the last presidential election:

By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff  &#124;  April 6, 2004

McCain has said he would not run with Kerry and has vowed to campaign for Bush, but last month he renewed speculation about a potential matchup when he was asked on ABC's "Good Morning America" whether he would consider running with Kerry. He replied, "Obviously, I would entertain it." 

He is prone to change .....

1988: Honored by La Raza for opposing official English

Do everything I can to help all immigrants learn English 

Deport 2 million illegal immigrants who committed crimes 

Would no longer push his own 2006 immigration proposal 

"Let me just say I've never supported amnesty."

May 29, 2003 interview: "Amnesty has to be an important part ...

Amnesty is forgiveness; we offer fines; lines; &#38; long waits 


http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Immigration.htm


And never forget you do have a choice ....as long as it is between the two THEY choose to offer to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zeezil said on 23 Jun 2008 at 9:39 am: </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget the last presidential election:</p>
<p>By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff  |  April 6, 2004</p>
<p>McCain has said he would not run with Kerry and has vowed to campaign for Bush, but last month he renewed speculation about a potential matchup when he was asked on ABC&#8217;s &#8220;Good Morning America&#8221; whether he would consider running with Kerry. He replied, &#8220;Obviously, I would entertain it.&#8221; </p>
<p>He is prone to change &#8230;..</p>
<p>1988: Honored by La Raza for opposing official English</p>
<p>Do everything I can to help all immigrants learn English </p>
<p>Deport 2 million illegal immigrants who committed crimes </p>
<p>Would no longer push his own 2006 immigration proposal </p>
<p>&#8220;Let me just say I&#8217;ve never supported amnesty.&#8221;</p>
<p>May 29, 2003 interview: &#8220;Amnesty has to be an important part &#8230;</p>
<p>Amnesty is forgiveness; we offer fines; lines; &amp; long waits </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Immigration.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Immigration.htm</a></p>
<p>And never forget you do have a choice &#8230;.as long as it is between the two THEY choose to offer to you.</p>
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		<title>By: KO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am more concerned with returning the Republican party to its conservative values than I am about who will be the next president.  I have written off the next four years.  It's apparent to me that we have to burn the party down now in order to rebuild it.  Moderates will continue to rule the day if McCain is elected.  And there isn't any real difference between a Republican moderate and a liberal in my book.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing begin....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am more concerned with returning the Republican party to its conservative values than I am about who will be the next president.  I have written off the next four years.  It&#8217;s apparent to me that we have to burn the party down now in order to rebuild it.  Moderates will continue to rule the day if McCain is elected.  And there isn&#8217;t any real difference between a Republican moderate and a liberal in my book.</p>
<p>I know this is an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing begin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said zeezil...I will vote for the left wing loony Obama before the two face lying worthless piece of feces Juan McAmnesty!

McCain's Hispanic Outreach person was a Cabinet member in Mexico's Vicente Fox's government and is openly for reconquest of Southwest USA. 

Some of his comments. 

“I never knew the border as a limitation; I’d be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries.” 

“We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States…We are a united nation.” 

Mexican immigrants “are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate.” 

“We are betting that the Mexican population in the United States …will think Mexico first.” 

McNut,s reasons for Amnesty

McCain's God,s Children Argument!
Then there is they are all God,s children argument(Another McCain favor) well isn't everyone God,s children? If so then guess McCain is saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their  flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year! There are 100,s of millions probably billions from India, China, Africa, etc. that would like to immigrat to the USA. If it ok for Latinos to pour across our borders then unless the open borders crowd are racist it should be ok for any and all of the world people to invade this nation!

 McCain's Lettuce Argument!
There's the "lettuce" argument -- we'll be paying $50/head (or starving)( McCain really likes this argument) if we don't have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They're not career positions. They're seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work.  I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you'll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you'll pay $100 more. 

There are approx. 20 to 30 millions Illegal Aliens in the USA less than 2% work in the fields but 43 % are on Welfare. If you count their Medical cost and Educating their Spawn at a cost of 7 to 10k per year to American Tax payers  as Welfare then close to 100% are on Welfare that American poor and middle class pay an average of 20k per year so the rich have a unlimited supply of slave labor and the Democrats the Welfare vote!

The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.
 
Immigrant Argument!
 There's the "everyone's an immigrant except for the 'Native Americans'" argument. Well, the American Indians didn't sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is "You're an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here," then American Indians are immigrants, too. 

In that case, "immigrant" is no longer a useful word, since Everyone's an immigrant.

Stole Southwest Argument!
 There's the "the U.S. stole the southwest" argument. Well, the land in dispute was "owned" by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren't more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It's been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico's reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican "twin cities" straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It's not the dirt that's important, it's the people. Put another way, if culture didn't matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

Illegal pay taxes Argument!

There's the "illegal aliens pay tons of taxes" argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they're mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working -- in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that's at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.

Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they're part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!  

 There's the "illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved" argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they'd still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they'd be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass amnestying them.

The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.

- The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.

- Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.

- Those requiring services don’t assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.

- American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.

- Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.

- Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.

Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said zeezil&#8230;I will vote for the left wing loony Obama before the two face lying worthless piece of feces Juan McAmnesty!</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s Hispanic Outreach person was a Cabinet member in Mexico&#8217;s Vicente Fox&#8217;s government and is openly for reconquest of Southwest USA. </p>
<p>Some of his comments. </p>
<p>“I never knew the border as a limitation; I’d be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries.” </p>
<p>“We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States…We are a united nation.” </p>
<p>Mexican immigrants “are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate.” </p>
<p>“We are betting that the Mexican population in the United States …will think Mexico first.” </p>
<p>McNut,s reasons for Amnesty</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s God,s Children Argument!<br />
Then there is they are all God,s children argument(Another McCain favor) well isn&#8217;t everyone God,s children? If so then guess McCain is saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their  flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year! There are 100,s of millions probably billions from India, China, Africa, etc. that would like to immigrat to the USA. If it ok for Latinos to pour across our borders then unless the open borders crowd are racist it should be ok for any and all of the world people to invade this nation!</p>
<p> McCain&#8217;s Lettuce Argument!<br />
There&#8217;s the &#8220;lettuce&#8221; argument &#8212; we&#8217;ll be paying $50/head (or starving)( McCain really likes this argument) if we don&#8217;t have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They&#8217;re not career positions. They&#8217;re seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work.  I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you&#8217;ll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you&#8217;ll pay $100 more. </p>
<p>There are approx. 20 to 30 millions Illegal Aliens in the USA less than 2% work in the fields but 43 % are on Welfare. If you count their Medical cost and Educating their Spawn at a cost of 7 to 10k per year to American Tax payers  as Welfare then close to 100% are on Welfare that American poor and middle class pay an average of 20k per year so the rich have a unlimited supply of slave labor and the Democrats the Welfare vote!</p>
<p>The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.</p>
<p>Immigrant Argument!<br />
 There&#8217;s the &#8220;everyone&#8217;s an immigrant except for the &#8216;Native Americans&#8217;&#8221; argument. Well, the American Indians didn&#8217;t sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is &#8220;You&#8217;re an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here,&#8221; then American Indians are immigrants, too. </p>
<p>In that case, &#8220;immigrant&#8221; is no longer a useful word, since Everyone&#8217;s an immigrant.</p>
<p>Stole Southwest Argument!<br />
 There&#8217;s the &#8220;the U.S. stole the southwest&#8221; argument. Well, the land in dispute was &#8220;owned&#8221; by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren&#8217;t more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It&#8217;s been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico&#8217;s reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican &#8220;twin cities&#8221; straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It&#8217;s not the dirt that&#8217;s important, it&#8217;s the people. Put another way, if culture didn&#8217;t matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.</p>
<p>Illegal pay taxes Argument!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the &#8220;illegal aliens pay tons of taxes&#8221; argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they&#8217;re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working &#8212; in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that&#8217;s at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.</p>
<p>Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they&#8217;re part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)</p>
<p>Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!  </p>
<p> There&#8217;s the &#8220;illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved&#8221; argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they&#8217;d still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they&#8217;d be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass amnestying them.</p>
<p>The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.</p>
<p>- The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.</p>
<p>- Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.</p>
<p>- Those requiring services don’t assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.</p>
<p>- American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.</p>
<p>- Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.</p>
<p>- Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.</p>
<p>Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?</p>
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