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Will John McCain Break His Promise?

By Greg L | 25 June 2008 | National Politics | 68 Comments

Congressman Tom Tancredo is not too impressed with the comments John McCain made to a select audience of Latinos in Chicago recently, and is publicly demanding some answers according to ABC News.  As word spreads of McCain’s duplicity some conservatives are demanding answers, at least to the extent that conservatives remain who haven’t thrown their hands up in disgust and entirely written off this Democrat-wannabe.  

Tancredo asks if promises made by McCain earlier in the presidential campaign to hold off on giving longtime illegal immigrants a “pathway to citizenship” until after the borders were secured were any more than lip service, and wonders whether the presumptive Republican nominee’s candidacy is a Trojan horse for amnesty.

“Senator, given your past sponsorship of amnesty legislation, such statements raise troubling questions.  Are you planning to break a promise you made in February to postpone all other immigration reform legislation until we have first secured our borders?” writes Tancredo, who goes on to ask McCain to use an upcoming speech to the pro-pathway to citizenship National Council of La Raza in San Diego to embrace a “security first” immigration approach.

“I challenge you to deliver a message to that assembly which does not pander to their amnesty agenda. You should speak to the La Raza convention and to all Hispanic audiences about America’s need for secure borders as a priority above all other immigration reforms,” Tancredo said.

I’m not expecting McCain to respond to this, since he still hasn’t even tried to explain what happened at that meeting in Chicago.  He might be too busy preparing for his attendance at gatherings of the National Council of La Raza and the Latin American Congress, which don’t seem to have any trouble getting a response from Juan McCain.  If McCain ever intended to honor his promise to Republican primary voters, I’d imagine he’d be rather eager to say so.  That he’s not is pretty much all the answer many of us need.

UPDATE: World Net Daily has more on this story.

UPDATE 2: Here is what Tom Tancredo wrote:

Dear Senator McCain:

Recently in Chicago, you had a closed door meeting with a group of Hispanic leaders. Strangely, the closed door meeting was not on your official events calendar, no press was invited and no press release appears to have been issued. Yet, according to several news reports, you promised the group that you plan to pursue “comprehensive immigration reform.”

Senator, given your past sponsorship of amnesty legislation, such statements raise troubling questions. Are you planning to break a promise you made in February to postpone all other immigration reform legislation until we have first secured our borders?

Senator, you are aware that past promises for secure borders have been broken. Such promises were used as carrots to gain votes for legislative packages that included amnesty, but after the amnesty was achieved, secure borders were forgotten. Republican lawmakers in the House of Representatives are resolved to never let that happen again. Are you prepared to wage war on conservatives to secure another amnesty for illegal aliens? I hope not.

On July 14 you are scheduled to address the national convention of the National Council of La Raza in San Diego , an advocacy organization dedicated to amnesty and a path to citizenship for all twenty million illegal aliens. I challenge you to deliver a message to that assembly which does not pander to their amnesty agenda. You should speak to the La Raza convention and to all Hispanic audiences about America’s need for secure borders as a priority above all other immigration reforms.

Moreover, I hope you take that opportunity to make it clear that it is in the long term interest of Mexico and other Latin American nations to halt the massive out-migration of their citizens. Mexico is in dire need of political and economic reforms to encourage foreign investment, entrepreneurship and job creation. Those reforms will never come as long as Mexico’s politicians can export the country’s poorest residents and youngest voters. Mexico may never have the courage to take those painful steps on its own, but secure borders will prevent that exodus and force the politicians to provide opportunities for their own people.

Senator, you have said many times in recent months, “I got the message” on border security. If you go to the La Raza convention in San Diego and deliver a message that surrenders to their amnesty agenda, tens of millions of Americans who heard your earlier message will feel betrayed– and rightly so.

Nothing has changed since you publicly abandoned your support for “comprehensive amnesty” in favor of a “security first” position. The facts have not changed, conservative principles have not changed, and our borders have not yet been secured. In fact, official estimates from the Border Patrol suggest that it will take at least four more years to achieve operational control of the southwest border even if all current plans are fully implemented.

Senator McCain, I ask you to reaffirm your commitment to secure our borders as a precondition for all other immigration reforms, and I hope your immigration rhetoric over the next several months will reflect that commitment – whether the audience be black or white, Asian or Hispanic.

Giving Americans “Straight Talk” – telling them what they need to hear instead of what they want to hear – demonstrates leadership, and as you have correctly pointed out many times in the past, that is what America needs now more than ever.



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68 Comments

  1. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:10 pm:
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    The whole “secure borders” thing is a red herring anyway. So long as there are jobs and secure sanctuary cities to live in, and hope of Amnesty, people will find a way in past borders. Secure the borders but if they’re in treat them well and let them work for higher wages than they can get back home and ensure all the civil rights we can muster up - the whole concept is laughable. The ONLY way to reduce illegal immigration is to identify illegal aliens once within the US, and provide disincentives - but note all the current incentives (anchor baby laws, free medical care, both political parties kissing up to you continuously and promising a better future).

    And of course any “comprehensive” plan that rewards line-jumping will inevitably result in more line-jumping, despite the “secure borders” I wouldn’t hold your breath for.

    We’re all being bamboozled, constantly, by elitists who have no intention of minimizing illegal immigration, which they personally profiteer from.

  2. Taco Truck Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:12 pm:
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    Hi this is Juan from Juan’s Tacos. We promise to never break our promise to bring you the lowest priced illegal tacos. Yes our tacos are not from a health dept inspected business, no our business hasn’t got a license, no it’s not regulated by any govt. agencies, yes it is operated out of a residential home. And no I pay no taxes whatsoever. But I can pass all the saving from not needing that crazy stuff to you. So come on down to Juan’s Tacos where we promise to charge you the lowest price in the DC Metro area. Please visit our website today.

    http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815

  3. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:13 pm:
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    Anyone who has pride in the Rule of Law resolution in PWC should not consider voting for a man who JUST RECENTLY said this :

    “Senator Kennedy and I tried very hard to get immigration reform, a comprehensive plan, through the Congress of the United States,” he said. “It is a federal responsibility and because of our failure as a federal obligation, we’re seeing all these various conflicts and problems throughout our nation as different towns, cities, counties, whatever they are, implement different policies and different programs which makes things even worse and even more confusing.”

  4. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:19 pm:
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    Here’s more BS from the “Straight Talk Express”. He wants to pretend rounding up and physically deporting 2 million people is a practical option, but providing disincentive for the illegal population as a whole is apparently unworkable to him. (I guess because it threatens his friendship with Ted Kennedy, and makes Lindsay Graham cry).

    This guy is so far from honorable or honest on this issue. “Straight Talk Express”. I wouldn’t trust this man with the Presidency, he’s already shown me he’s a liar, and a bad one at that.

    Q: How would you deport the two million illegal aliens who have committed crimes?
    A: You round them up and you find them.

    Q: Two million people, though? Logistically, how do you do that?

    A: It’s very hard, but what’s the choice? Having people who are breaking our laws in our country illegally? But the other aspect of it is that people come forward, and those that don’t come forward, then obviously it’s easier to identify them, and then we address their situation according to how long they’ve been here, what their record is, but they cannot be rewarded for illegal behavior. In other words, they can’t be put in front of anybody else.

    (Meet the Press, Jan, 6 2008)

  5. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:21 pm:
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    I’m getting this stuff from http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/John_McCain_Immigration.htm

    Here’s McCain on amnesty BEFORE it became a “bad word” for someone like him who exploits right-wing sentiment for a living (learn your buzzwords if you want to go far in politics!) :

    May 29, 2003 interview: “Amnesty has to be an important part because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens.”

    Dec. 15, 2000 press release: “I support the Latino and Immigrant Fairness Act (LIFA). Negotiations between the White House and the leadership, which endorsed more limited immigration reform, have resulted in a compromise…. this bill makes meaningful but insufficient progress on amnesty for those wrongly denied it.”

  6. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:26 pm:
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    May 29, 2003 : “Amnesty has to be an important part because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens.”

    May 15, 2007 : “I have never supported amnesty and never would.”

    What a douche this man is, war record and all. The more I read his two-faced statements, I’m getting as angry as Greg did a few days ago.

    He is a LIAR. A great big LIAR. And he is dedicated to BAMBOOZLING the American people on this IMPORTANT ISSUE.

  7. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:27 pm:
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    I’ll go so far as to say anyone who votes for him is basically being played like a fool.

  8. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:31 pm:
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    Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. And that was an amendment, he was voting on that issue directly.

    OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows:

    0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members)
    30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members)
    70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members)

    McCain gets an 18% rating.

  9. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:40 pm:
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    With all due respect to our soldiers in Iraq - a McCain Presidency is NOT the answer to our problems over there, putting a stubborn out-of-touch old man in charge who has already signalled he’s ready for 100 more years of status quo is NOT the answer.

    So I wouldn’t vote for McCain under any circumstances. Not even if Hitler were the opponent. In either case, McCain or Hitler, I would expect nothing good from the candidate but would just have to hope that Congress would restarin their more destructive urges. (I’m not saying I would vote for Hitler - just not for McCain either).

    McCain, to me - as someone whose pet issue is the means by which the elitists in this country manipulate the working classes - represents the WORST of America. Fundamentally dishonest, trading only on likeability and his military service. Finger in the wind, always flip-flopping but usually in the direction of what he thinks people want to hear. Iconoclastic, but not ina good way - more in a psycho, stubborn-old-man way. At core, stands for NOTHING AT ALL and has flipped and flopped on every major issue.

  10. Advocator said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:51 pm:
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    Rick: I’ve got to agree with you and Greg on each and every point. But we’ve got to wait till he names a Vice and then consider the long term implications. We’ve got to consider the judges his opponent would appoint to the federal courts, the political hacks his opponent would put in charge of government agencies, and the fact that McAmnesty is not in the best of health, either physical or mental.

  11. Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 1:08 pm:
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    The judges McCain appoints are going to be approved by a Democratic controlled Senate so you can forget about any decent judges being confirmed. At best McCain will get judges confirmed who, while being Leahy’s and Kennedy’s last choice, are still acceptable to them. Will they be better than the ones BHO appoints? Probably, but not by much.

  12. Advocator said on 25 Jun 2008 at 1:36 pm:
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    Ted, are you Taco Truck Ted or some other Ted?

  13. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 1:38 pm:
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    Advocator, you raise a good point about his health. But I’m just going to cut out the middle man on this and not consider voting for McCain, under any circumstances, for anything. Unless it’s an absolute certainty that he won’t live past inauguration.

    As to judges, McCain might go the Harriet Meiers approach or even crazier. Everything about McCain screams out “Look at me! I’ll offend anyone for attention and won’t let anyone tell me what to do”. Ted Kennedy might help McCain pick judges for all any of us know.

  14. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 1:39 pm:
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    As to the VP, it’s obviously Romney. Remember, McCain was a siatant 4th until Romney dropped out. It was obvious to me at that moment there is a backroom deal of some sort.

  15. Taco Truck Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 1:41 pm:
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    Why do you ask? Are you looking for a job?

    http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815

  16. Bob Wills said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:01 pm:
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    Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 12:27 pm:
    I’ll go so far as to say anyone who votes for him is basically being played like a fool.

    and what politician has been elected for years that have not made fools of those who put them in office?

    Especialy the local ones

  17. Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:04 pm:
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    Advocator,

    I’m some other Ted. Maybe I should put Not Taco Truck Ted?

  18. Krutis said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:06 pm:
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    Rick Bentley, whoever he is, is getting as bad as Taco Truck Ted! Enough already!

  19. Taco Truck Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:13 pm:
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    Krutis said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:06 pm:
    Rick Bentley, whoever he is, is getting as bad as Taco Truck Ted! Enough already!

    Juan here from Juan’s Tacos. We are having a “judge the best taco contest”.
    We need someone who is extremely judgemental. Pleas visit our website if interested!

    http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815

  20. me-n-u said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:26 pm:
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    Krutis, Taco Truck Ted is just frustrated at a government who has forsaken the law abiding American citizen. Rick Bentley actually has some intelligent postings. Just because you don’t want to read it doesn’t mean others take the same stance.
    It’s been nice without you making some inane comment on here. Too bad it didn’t last.

  21. Taco Truck Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    me-n-u said on 25 Jun 2008 at 2:26 pm:
    Krutis, Taco Truck Ted is just frustrated at a government who has forsaken the law abiding American citizen. Rick Bentley actually has some intelligent postings. Just because you don’t want to read it doesn’t mean others take the same stance.
    It’s been nice without you making some inane comment on here. Too bad it didn’t last.

    Thanks for the support! You’ll never know how much it means to me!

  22. Lefty said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:27 pm:
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    Triple t: You and Katherine MERCURIO Gotthardt have got to hook up, dude.

  23. Advocator said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:31 pm:
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    Rick: If McAmnesty chooses the well-coifed patrician from the PRM, there may be hope for such an administration, and possibly the Nation. But if he chooses the creationist Huckster, I’m buying a farm in Costa Rica.

  24. Krutis said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:34 pm:
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    Well, well, me-n-u:

    All good things come to an end.

    As for Bentley - someone who states that he wouldn’t vote for McCain not even if Hitler were the opponent (12:40pm) doesn’t rate very highly on my scale. He qualifies it by saying that”not that I’d vote for Hitler”.

    However, the fact that he even mentions the two men together in this particular subject makes me think he is rather an overwrought individual.

  25. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:38 pm:
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    Romney lost all my respect (and the Primary vote I would have cast for him) when he bailed out so quickly in what i believe was a conspiracy of some sort. I don’t think a charlatan like him would give McCain any credibility.

  26. Taco Truck Ted said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:39 pm:
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    Lefty said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:27 pm:
    Triple t: You and Katherine MERCURIO Gotthardt have got to hook up, dude.

    I don’t know who that is but you seem to have them on your mind. Maybe you should “hook-up” Now lets talk about some lefty facts. Three out of every ten people are left handed. The left hander’s co-ordination is controlled by his/her right side of their brain. You can find many more left handed facts at the Juan’s Tacos website.

    http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=37520815

  27. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:39 pm:
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    Krustis my position is that the “lesser of two evils” arguement for a McCain vote doesn’t hold any water if both sides are “evil” enough. At some point we have to expect more integrity from a candidate than McCain has.

  28. Rick Bentley said on 25 Jun 2008 at 3:56 pm:
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    Will John McCain break his promise? Umm … will a bear s*** in the woods?

  29. MdMan said on 25 Jun 2008 at 4:16 pm:
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    Much like a man whose time on death-row is about to reach the ultimate conclusion, I have resigned to the fact that I will have no representation from the next person to occupy our highest public office. I am deeply troubled by the course America seems set to follow. How, in a country with an abundance of brilliant and honorable people, did we settle for these two men that posess neither quality as our choices for president? I pray for a miracle at the conventions to bestow upon us a phoenix worthy of leading this great nation.

  30. Bl said on 25 Jun 2008 at 4:50 pm:
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    McCain’s Hispanic Outreach person was a Cabinet member in Mexico’s Vicente Fox’s government and is openly for reconquest of Southwest USA.

    Some of his comments.

    “I never knew the border as a limitation; I’d be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries.”

    “We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States…We are a united nation.”

    Mexican immigrants “are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate.”

    “We are betting that the Mexican population in the United States …will think Mexico first.”

    McNut,s reasons for Amnesty

    McCain’s God,s Children Argument!
    Then there is they are all God,s children argument(Another McCain favor) well isn’t everyone God,s children? If so then guess McCain is saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year! There are 100,s of millions probably billions from India, China, Africa, etc. that would like to immigrat to the USA. If it ok for Latinos to pour across our borders then unless the open borders crowd are racist it should be ok for any and all of the world people to invade this nation!

    McCain’s Lettuce Argument!
    There’s the “lettuce” argument — we’ll be paying $50/head (or starving)( McCain really likes this argument) if we don’t have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They’re not career positions. They’re seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work. I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you’ll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you’ll pay $100 more.

    There are approx. 20 to 30 millions Illegal Aliens in the USA less than 2% work in the fields but 43 % are on Welfare. If you count their Medical cost and Educating their Spawn at a cost of 7 to 10k per year to American Tax payers as Welfare then close to 100% are on Welfare that American poor and middle class pay an average of 20k per year so the rich have a unlimited supply of slave labor and the Democrats the Welfare vote!

    The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.

    Immigrant Argument!
    There’s the “everyone’s an immigrant except for the ‘Native Americans’” argument. Well, the American Indians didn’t sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is “You’re an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here,” then American Indians are immigrants, too.

    In that case, “immigrant” is no longer a useful word, since Everyone’s an immigrant.

    Stole Southwest Argument!
    There’s the “the U.S. stole the southwest” argument. Well, the land in dispute was “owned” by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren’t more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It’s been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico’s reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican “twin cities” straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It’s not the dirt that’s important, it’s the people. Put another way, if culture didn’t matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

    Illegal pay taxes Argument!

    There’s the “illegal aliens pay tons of taxes” argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working — in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that’s at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.

    Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they’re part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

    Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!

    There’s the “illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved” argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they’d still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they’d be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass amnestying them.

    The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.

    - The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.

    - Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.

    - Those requiring services don’t assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.

    - American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.

    - Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.

    - Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.

    Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?

  31. Just the Facts said on 25 Jun 2008 at 5:26 pm:
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    I feel much the same as does MdMan. I believe in the United States and the value of maintaining its sovereignty. The reason we are left with the choices we have in the election is that middle class America, to a very large extent, has abdicated its responsibility to exercise its power in the process of selecting our candidates. This failure has allowed the elites to control that process.

    The dominant propaganda expounded by the major media dictates that those who oppose illegal migration are “racist” or “nativist.” In today’s version of McCarthyism those slurs have the effect of silencing opposition as the label “communist” did in the 1950s. Moreover, the major media refuse to tell the truth about the economic and social impacts of illegal migration into our nation. The media made a deliberate decision to cease rebroadcasting the videos of the planes crashing into the World Trade Towers because they thought seeing those scenes repeatedly would agitate the American public. They have made a similar but less well publicized decision not to expose the American public to the profound negative changes illegal migration is causing here.

    Mexican drug cartels setting up armed outposts on U.S. soil? Hospitals going broke providing free health care to illegals? Real wages and the standard of living of legal American workers continuing to deteriorate? Criminal illegals released from jail to commit more mayhem rather than being deported? NOT IMPORTANT! Brittany Spears is in rehab again and that’s what the media will tell us about tonight.

    As long as the majority of the American middle class remains ignorant about the changes taking place that are unalterably transforming America for the worse, as long as the deterioration in our lifestyle remains gradual but incessant over time, as long as we continue dulling our senses with hundreds of channels of meaningless television, and as long as long as we remain afraid of the labels the elites try to pin on us, we will continue to lose our nation.

    The growing underclass of illegal aliens and the increasing disparity of distribution of income and wealth are time bombs waiting to go off. The wealthy elite can afford to live in gated communities and hire private security to isolate themselves from the problems they are creating for us. This sort of social division is the norm in third world nations. As I mentioned in the thread on unsecured borders yesterday, the U.S. is headed in that direction.

    Unless we wake up now and find leaders such as John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan who care about the common citizen we are going to find our nation gone in the not-too-distant future. The Bushes, Clintons, McCains and Obamas serve the elites. They sell their souls for power. They allow millions of illegals into our nation in the name of our immigrant heritage and diversity when the real purpose is to provide virtual slave labor to industries that can not export jobs to third world nations. If this trend continues, in twenty years we will have a society with a small number of incredibly wealthy people living behind walls as the vast majority of us join the third world in our own back yards.

  32. Marcie Harris said on 25 Jun 2008 at 6:24 pm:
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    Now that all you die-hards (above) have vowed NOT to vote for McCain,
    that leaves one choice, doesn’t it? As far as I’m concerned, no red-
    blooded American should vote for Obama. That guy has no love for this
    country, nor does his ugly assed wife! But wait….he will be elected
    because of the color of his skin. Al Sharpton has stated more than once
    that “If this election is taken away from the brutha, there will be blood
    shed in the streets of this nation”. Threat? You bet it is.
    Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing Sharpton’s blood spilling on the
    streets. Bring it on.

  33. freedom said on 25 Jun 2008 at 7:31 pm:
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    Well Rick, I’m disappointed too… However, saving a miracle at the convention, the die is cast…it’s either Obama or McCain. So, I have a proposal for ya…

    What ya say, let’s just scrap the “best of two evils” concept and make Obama our next president. After all, he’s tough on illegal aliens, he wants to secure the border AND ship their butts back home; he’s tough on terrorism…national security is his strong suite; he’s a TRUE capitalist — supports individual achievement and denounces the socialistic concept of ‘take from the rich and give to the poor’; he’s not a racist…he considers everyone equal, regardless of skin color, and will put an end to racially divisive concepts such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, BET, NAACP and the NCF; and he promises to reduce the cost of gasoline at the pump by having us all “cut back on consumption.”

    Let’s go for the true American, Rick Bentley…like you, I’m tired of the liars and cheats…Let’s go for somebody we can fully TRUST, someone that will make life better for EVERYONE!!!!!

    I’m with YOU, Bud…..

    (sarcasm button pressed “off”)

  34. Krutis said on 25 Jun 2008 at 7:54 pm:
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    Way to go, Marcie! Redblooded All-American woman; pretty assed I assume.

  35. Anonymous said on 25 Jun 2008 at 11:32 pm:
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    Krutis said on 25 Jun 2008 at 7:54 pm:
    Way to go, Marcie! Redblooded All-American woman; pretty assed I assume.

    Are you interested?

  36. 999 said on 25 Jun 2008 at 11:45 pm:
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    Bl said on 25 Jun 2008 at 4:50 pm:

    In fact, once legal they’d be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially.

    Don’t forget, once they get their GREEN CARD they can legally bring in their relatives and when the relatives get their green cards they can also bring in other relatives. For every person given amnesty, you will probably add another five or more for each of them. Right now we have somewhere around 20 million illegals. Multiply that by just 5 and we’ve added another 100 million to our present day population of 300 million. And they will all be entitled to welfare and other government give aways.

  37. MdMan said on 26 Jun 2008 at 12:36 am:
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    Just the Facts - very well said. I’ve been doing a lot of soul searching since my engagement on this issue and reached the same conclusions.

    American altruism, coupled with the lingering guilt and fear over the true and necessary civil rights movement, is crippling us. Add in a hearty dose of political power lust by both parties, and voila! - the chimps are riding the horses.

    A healthy dose of intolerance is not a bad thing people. We just cannot continue to the accept the annihaltion of our border, language, and culture. Come legally and learn the language, or don’t come at all. It’s that simple.

  38. Ducky said on 26 Jun 2008 at 5:58 am:
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    Wednesday, June 25, 2008

    BARACK OBAMA, SOMETHING LIGHTER

    And What a Swell Messenger For ‘Obama or Die’

    There is nothing more reassuring to the suburban soccer mom vote than hearing that Sean “Diddy” Combs, acquitted of weapons charges and aggravated assault earlier in his career, chanted “Obama or die!” at the BET Awards.

    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YThlMjc4ZDFkYzJlNGI3NTA2ZGI5NWEzOWVmMWJlZmM=

    You’d prefer this guy over McCain?

  39. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 7:20 am:
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    Sean Combs is a popular rapper who has lead a badly-named “Vote Or Die” campaign over the years. Your children may have heard of him. There is nothing to fear from him.

  40. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 7:26 am:
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    Marcie, I want to see how much love you have for your country if the black man and his “ugly assed wife” (what did she ever do to you?) become President and First Lady. Will it shake your foundations?

    Obama leans pretty far leftwards but if we survived Jimmy Carter, I think we can survive any level of crazed liberalism that Obama may or may not diaplay.

    I’m not sure if I’ll vote Lou Dobbs, or maybe vote Obama just because it’ll be funny to watch America’s bigots go bezerk, but I know I wouldn’t vote for “Mr. Amnesty” McCain under any circumstance.

  41. Krutis said on 26 Jun 2008 at 8:48 am:
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    999 @ 11:45pm

    A green-carder can NOT automatically bring in a family member. Having a green card means that you are allowed to live and work (but not vote) in the US. I believe you are mistaken in this respect.

    Even an American born person cannot automatically get a green card for a spouse. Many times it’s even difficult to get a visitor’s visa for such person.

    Dealing with US consulates overseas is no fun, I’ll tell you! The Consul General is allmighty; doesn’t have to explain a turndown to ANYone. I know, because it has happened to our family.

  42. 999 said on 26 Jun 2008 at 10:25 am:
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    Krutis said on 26 Jun 2008 at 8:48 am:
    999 @ 11:45pm

    A green-carder can NOT automatically bring in a family member. Having a green card means that you are allowed to live and work (but not vote) in the US. I believe you are mistaken in this respect.

    Green Card holders have several privileges including:
    The right to live permanently in the United States
    The right to work in the United States
    The right to travel abroad for a certain period of time
    The opportunity to apply for U.S. citizenship after a certain amount of years as a Green Card holder
    The right to petition for a Green Card for the spouse and unmarried children under 21 years of age

    The above is from:
    http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/greencard.html

    It is not automatic but is usually granted upon petition. This was one of the major concerns with the last “Comprehensive Immigration Bill (Kennedy/McCain Bill.)

  43. 999 said on 26 Jun 2008 at 10:29 am:
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    999 said on 26 Jun 2008 at 10:25 am:

    Left out that once the Green card holder gains citizenship, they can petition for entry for their mother, father, brothers, sisters and other relatives. That is one of the reasons why amnesty is being rejected by concerned U.S. citizens. You are not only giving amnesty to someone who broke U.S. law, you are also allowing them to eventually bring in their relatives.

  44. 999 said on 26 Jun 2008 at 10:31 am:
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    Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 7:20 am:
    Sean Combs is a popular rapper who has lead a badly-named “Vote Or Die” campaign over the years. Your children may have heard of him. There is nothing to fear from him.

    He is better know as “PUFF-DADDY.”

  45. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 11:07 am:
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    And, in case you still don’t know of him, he once dated Jennifer Lopez. Again, your children may have heard of her.

  46. Bl said on 26 Jun 2008 at 11:14 am:
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    The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit senile old men like Juan McAmnsety stumbling around like zombies in a horror movie. Scrub has destroyed the Republican party & nearly destroyed the Nation, the sad part is Scrub Jr. is no more an Republican than Obama is..But the back lash to his , arrogant, incompetents and corruption means that no matter which one wins we will have an Democrat President and will on our way to becomes the US of Mexico!

  47. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 11:32 am:
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    Well here’s hoping we can influence the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party.

    Will it be done by sitting around like FOX News zombies drunk on a diet of Sean Hannity, convincing each other that Obama is pro-terrorist and his wife hates America, and intimating that the fist bump is a terrorist signal? Or projecting everything we don’t like about black culture onto Obama and his wife since they are black? Probably not.

    Can it be done by discussing the issue at hand with the American people in a reasoned manner, refusing to be drawn into the straw-man arguements both political parties present towards us to distract our attention from reality? I hope so.

  48. Krutis said on 26 Jun 2008 at 11:39 am:
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    Let’s hear it for Rick Bentley!!!! Seriously and sincerely, I agree with his 11:32am comment. It makes SO much sense.

  49. freedom said on 26 Jun 2008 at 1:42 pm:
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    Well Rick Bentley, it appears to me that there is not a single “issue at hand,” but several very key and serious issues at hand. The key is to select those issues that are most serious (illegal immigration being one of those) and to select the candidate which best represents your view. the Republican or the Democrat.

  50. Anonymous said on 26 Jun 2008 at 2:00 pm:
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    Support McCain can’t count on

    Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council, the largest union among the nation’s force of rank-and-file U.S. Border Patrol agents, doesn’t know who to endorse in the presidential race, but the union does know who it won’t: “We will not endorse Sen. John McCain, even though he is currently representing our home state of Arizona.”

    In a posting on the local’s web page, the union said Mr. McCain “has never been serious about immigration enforcement, and he has never been serious about supporting the Border Patrol,” adding that the senior senator has routinely “minimized and trivialized” the illegal immigration problem in this country. It said the only “solution” he has ever offered is a massive new amnesty program designed to reward illegal aliens who have succeeded in violating the nation’s laws.

    “If Sen. McCain succeeds in becoming the president of this great nation, we believe it would be a disaster for border security and the enforcement of our immigration laws. We believe the American people have already seen enough of this type of behavior from our politicians.

    “For those who care about the issues of illegal immigration and border security, we ask that you not support Senator McCain under any circumstances,” the local said. “Don’t be fooled by any ‘tough’ talk he may use now regarding illegal immigration and border enforcement. His actions over the years, his complete lack of support for rank-and-file Border Patrol agents, and his incessant calls for more ‘amnesty’ programs for the illegal aliens who succeed in violating our laws have done all the talking we care to hear.”

    The local said that while it honors Mr. McCain’s past military service, Border Patrol agents are routinely being assaulted, shot at, killed, crippled and otherwise injured trying to do an often unpopular job for this country, and “Senator McCain has sought to sell us out and sell our mission out at every turn. Of all people, he should understand what it’s like to serve your country and to have politicians and others turn their backs on you. Please honor Senator McCain’s military service, but support someone else for president.”

    — Jerry Seper, national reporter, The Washington Times

  51. Anonymous said on 26 Jun 2008 at 2:11 pm:
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    Do you think he’ll put in 5 days a week if he’s elected? DOUBT IT!

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11355.html

  52. Ted said on 26 Jun 2008 at 2:53 pm:
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    Since when does anyone think that the Pres isn’t “on duty” every minute of his term?

    I can just hear it, “Listen Mr. National Security advisor, I’m on vacation right now and I don’t want to hear about that Iranian nuke test until I get back to D.C., OK?” OR “Listen Mr. Secretary of State, I don’t care if it is the President of Russia calling. It’s Saturday afternoon and I’m watching a ballgame. Tell him I’ll call him back on Monday.”

    Right.

    Try another one.

  53. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 3:12 pm:
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    The very idea of running at age 72 is ridiculous.

  54. Ducky said on 26 Jun 2008 at 8:17 pm:
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    Reagan did it

  55. Marcie Harris said on 26 Jun 2008 at 9:42 pm:
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    Rick Bentley and Krustis…FYI, IF (God forbid) the rookie wins the election,
    of course, I will continue to display the highest respect and honor for my
    wonderful country. I will continue to place my right hand over my heart
    when the American flag passes in review or The National Anthem is played
    and at the same time, will loudly rebuke those who sit in a church pew
    and listen intently to some so-called man of God damn this great nation
    and not come to it’s defense. I certainly will also rebuke the ugly assed
    woman who claims to be proud of this country for the first time in her
    adult life simply because her husband has won the nomination. Where is
    her pride for the opportunities she has been afforded in this great
    country? I, for one was not afforded the opportunity to attend Yale
    or Harvard, but she was. How can she say that America is a “Mean
    country”?
    We, as a nation, are given the government we deserve (and ask for) but I find it extremely difficult to swallow that this talking head and empty
    suit will, with the help of a large number of ignorant, naive voters will work
    his way to the oval office. The many blacks that I know, on their admission,
    will vote for Obama only because he is black and cannot tell you one thing
    related to any of his positions…it’s enough that he’s black, and that is sad!
    It is rare that I bother to respond to a commenter on this blog, but just
    for the hell ot it, I felt somewhat compelled to do so, in this instance.
    Both of you….Rick and Krustis, cast your votes for Obama, by all means,
    since it will most likely make you feel very “American” but be prepared to
    suck up the consequencies.
    When I visit the graves of my father and my husband in Arlington Cemetary,
    I can do so with a clear and open heart and complete love for this country.

  56. Marcie Harris said on 26 Jun 2008 at 9:49 pm:
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    BTW, Rick Bentley, stop showing your ignorance by pointing out that
    it is”ridiculous” for McCain to run for office at age 72. You will most
    likely agree at some point, that age is just a number….that’s it. How
    old is Queen Elizabeth?

  57. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 10:42 pm:
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    Reagan was in the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s when he was still President, so I don’t think that’s such a great example. McCain is older than Reagan was when he ran.

    Nor would I vote for Queen Elizabeth.

  58. Rick Bentley said on 26 Jun 2008 at 10:47 pm:
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    Marcie I didn’t say I’d vote Obama. But I note with amusement the way the right wing machine has people like you riled up to high heaven.

    The Wright thing reflects badly on his left-wing bent but I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. He’s “rebuked” Wright. What exactly do you want done? Does his crank of a Pastor’s statement make him ineligible to run in your view?

    And why exactly do you begrudge black people their votes? You consider them all less educated on the issues than you?

    And is his WIFE not allowed one misstatement? Should we parse your words with the same zeal hers are parsed?

  59. Krutis said on 26 Jun 2008 at 11:13 pm:
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    Laura Bush’s comment to a reporter re Mrs Obama’s faux pas was wonderful, and it came from someone who knows what’s it like to be in the public eye (and ear) constantly.

    Contrast that with Marcie who calls Mrs Obama “his ugly assed wife”!

  60. freedom said on 28 Jun 2008 at 9:55 am:
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    Well Krutis, I’m with Marcie. Please recognize though that the ugliness is not physical, the ugliness is in her heart and in her soul. There was no “slip of the tongue.”

    The important part though is that the Democrats have nominated a man who was/is attracted to a woman of such thinking as his wife and the “Right Reverend” Jeremiah Wright to become our next president. THAT is the issue….

  61. Rick Bentley said on 28 Jun 2008 at 7:29 pm:
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    Since when was politicizing the candidates’ wives considered a meaningful exercise? You’re entitled to your opiniopn and your vote, but don’t try to convince me that I should be up in arms about it … his wife is a fairly middle-of-the-road character.

    Wright’s comments were shameful and bother me (the exact same way Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson’s comments bothered me). That’s an issue. I think Obama did a decent job addressing that in his speech - to my satisfaction actually. I don’t think I’ll vote for him, but this stuff about his wife’s inartful speaking and his senile ex-pastor from his previous church is just jerking around the edges as far as I’m concerned. McCain is a huge proponent of amnesty, dedicated to intellectual dishonesty on the issue, and you’re going to vote for him because you’ve become riled up about Obama’s WIFE and EX-PASTOR? Come on, see the forest for the trees. You’re being bamboozled and hoodwinked.

  62. Rick Bentley said on 28 Jun 2008 at 7:36 pm:
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    I’ve sat in churches where complete bs was spewed, it wasn’t necessarily prudent to stand up and argue with the pastor. Especially if he’s a senile old man, speaking in the general confusion of the 9-11 aftermath. I think it’d be better to judge Obama and his wife on what they write books about, how they raise their children, what core values they continually uphold (McCain seems to have NONE). You may not want to vote for him but I’m amused that you want to attack him so vociferously when his opponent is such a dishonest, dishonorable tool.

    How the F (wish I could 48-point font that F) did McCain walk away with the GOP nomination? There’s a real story behind that I’m sure. Repiblicans have been hoodwinked and bamboozled again, transfixed by bogus stories about “Obama doesn’t respect the Pledge of Allegiance” and the usual sort of nonsense you guys get energized about every 4 years (gay marriage, flag burning, etc. etc.).

    I was READY and WILLING to vote GOP for the first time in 24 years, disgusted as I am with the Democartic party, but the whole slate of GOP candidates are pro-Amnesty, F them I say (wish I could make that one 52 points big).

  63. Rick Bentley said on 28 Jun 2008 at 7:40 pm:
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    We’re being overrun with illegal aliens and the average American is losing ground, wage disparity is rising, the underclass is swelling and public entitlements are incraesingly going bankrupt, our whole way of life is sinking down the tubes, but yeah at least the streets aren’t filled with married gays and burnt flags, way to go GOP on building a better America. Love that war in Iraq too.

  64. Rick Bentley said on 28 Jun 2008 at 7:44 pm:
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    I hesitate to vote for Obama but not because of his wife or his ex-pastor. I hope for the best from his Presdiency (which I assume will come about). Maybe it won’t be so bad. Who knows. Just don’t try to tell me you love your country if you feel it necessary to demonize every relatively honest politician who disagrees with you, and then heap **** on them the way some of you did on Bill Clinton for 8 years.

  65. freedom said on 29 Jun 2008 at 9:16 am:
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    OK Rick….support the democrats and truly fight the illegal alien invasion!!! Pshaaaaaaaw!!! :(

  66. Rick Bentley said on 29 Jun 2008 at 10:17 am:
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    I’m not saying that. I feel that both parties have abandoned us, and we need to abandon them until they understand this issue means something to those of us who don’t live in mansions.

  67. Rick Bentley said on 29 Jun 2008 at 11:34 am:
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    It actually means a lot I think and I don;t see how anyone who lived through PWC circa 2005-2006 can vote for either party.

  68. Rick Bentley said on 30 Jun 2008 at 3:01 pm:
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    New Time Magazine article about the Double-Talk Express - http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1818697,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner

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