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Isn’t This What They Call An Invasion?

By Greg L | 27 June 2008 | National Politics, Illegal Aliens, Crime | 28 Comments

Remember the fuss when Delegate Bob Marshall was running for the nomination for the United States and suggested that it would be a good idea to put U.S. military forces on our southern border?  Some seemed to think that might not be a wise idea, that it would be a waste of resources, and that law enforcement can fully manage the problems on the border.  Well, recent news ought to put that kind of talk to rest, now that it appears that Mexican military forces are crossing into the United States past the defenses of our fortress-like southern border, and conducting home invasions against American citizens.

One of the police documents specifically says that all the suspects are Mexican military coming into the United States with full tactical gear and police raid shirts to conduct home invasions. Another memo points out that Mexican drug cartels are increasingly moving north of the border to protect themselves from rival cartels. The sophisticated operations have for years used military tactics and personnel and now the violence has shifted to Phoenix.

Let’s see here:  we’ve got foreign military personnel crossing in the United States.  Check.  Those military personnel are killing American citizens.  Check.  The appropriate response here would be to do what precisely?  Call the local police and ask if they can take on foreign military units working under the orders of Mexican drug cartels that are operating in our country?  No check.  At all.

I’d like to see someone in our government have the guts to station an air-mobile infantry brigade with tactical air support on our southern border, and make it perfectly clear to these thugs that if they try to play this game one more time, the U.S. Army is going to utterly clobber them.  The first time any one of those knuckleheads tried to set one foot on American soil, every single drug cartel hacienda within five miles of the border would get a barrage of eight inch shells and be turned into a smoking crater.  If Mexico complained one bit, we could remind them what happened the last time they sent brigands to screw with the United States and plus that force up to Division-strength.  They’d learn pretty quickly that we’re not tolerating crap this any more.

Man, do I miss Ronald Reagan.  He wouldn’t stand for this for a single minute, everyone would know that, and this wouldn’t be happening.

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  1. Johnson said on 27 Jun 2008 at 4:32 pm:
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    The Mexican Civil (drug) war is spilling over the border. My buddies are patrolling in fire teams near El Paso. Why are we putting up with this? Maybe this time we’ll give the military some ammo to shoot back with.

  2. Arlington Minority said on 27 Jun 2008 at 4:38 pm:
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    We should not assume the jihadists aren’t quietly observing the complacency and incompetence exhibited by our government in failing to protect our homeland from invasions of any form.

  3. Michael said on 27 Jun 2008 at 5:56 pm:
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    I think a more reasonable response would be a joint US/Mexican military force response, equipped for special forces operations to target the drug cartels and their “forces” whenever and where-ever they are encountered. I think the problem is the US government and Mexican government still sees this as a “police” action, with police jusridiction as no one has declared “war”, and it is a criminal “organization”. I just think we continue to “underfund” ICE and BCE as the only legal reasonable counter-criminal resource we have with less than full military capability and funding. If ICE was funded to the level we fund our troops and the level we fund actions against enemies “foreign” rather than “domestic” and we put the same funding priority on each, we would not now or have ever had this problem.

  4. Michael said on 27 Jun 2008 at 5:57 pm:
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    This problem is a result of poor leadership by a president not to see the same priority and commit forces accordingly, with a budget of equal weight.

  5. what said on 27 Jun 2008 at 6:27 pm:
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    Decriminalize drugs and this all ends. Why are we putting money in the hands of brutal cartels? The drug war is a joke. If you want drugs, you just go to the inner city. Anything you want, you can find. Prohibition doesn’t work and it wastes resources. If we decriminalize drugs, the healthy are still going to be the healthy.

  6. Anonguy said on 27 Jun 2008 at 6:32 pm:
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    I wonder what Obama Barraka’s position on this would be? After all, he did publicly state that he would attack Pakistan to get the “one’s who attacked us on September 11th. Does this mean he would authorize military action against Mexico? Why is it that I think he will be like Jimmy Carter when it comes to defense, and we will become the world’s “gimp”.

    Bring out the gimp…
    The gimp’s sleeping….
    Well, wake’em up!

  7. gimme shelter said on 27 Jun 2008 at 6:41 pm:
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    http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/06/26/20080627 POLICE: Murder suspects NOT in Mexican military “none of the men accused in a deadly west Phoenix home invasion this week is an active member of the Mexican military, according to Phoenix police.”

    Although the assailants wore body armour, had assault-style rifles, such as AR-15’s and used more than 100 rounds of ammunition, one of the men arrested told a police officer he had received some military training. That statement launched speculation that members of the Mexican army invaded the home according to the story reported.

    Another story reported in the Arizona Republic, http://www.ascentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/06/27/20080627,

    “Thursday night home raid, about 8PM, approximately 4-10
    men forcibly entered a house near West Thomas Road and
    North 67th Avenue, armed with handguns and at least 1
    rifle or shotgun. Some of the men wore clothing similar to
    police outfits, such as black shirts and ball caps with police
    logos. the residence may have been a drop house for
    smuggling illegal immigrants.”

    Most of us know enough to not take the local newspapers too seriously as they often are flawed with inaccuracies, omissions and out right lies, however,
    with these stories and more ‘details’ coming through a variety of underground media sources, we might heed to what is going on. Bloggers in Arizona admittedly say this goes on more than most realize!

  8. gimme shelter said on 27 Jun 2008 at 6:48 pm:
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    Let’s ask Juan McCain and Jon Kyl how to solve this mess! Afterall, they’ve known about the illegal alien invasion for well over 20 years and did what??



  9. me-n-u said on 27 Jun 2008 at 7:17 pm:
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    Michael- Did you not read that the Mexican military is crossing over into America? Why would we work with them if they are violating our borders and our sovereignty?

  10. CONVA said on 27 Jun 2008 at 7:59 pm:
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    Nuke ‘em!

  11. El Guapo said on 27 Jun 2008 at 8:04 pm:
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    When some individual Mexican military personnel commit crimes, it’s called an invasion, and immature people suggest that we “nuke ‘em”. When our soldiers commit crimes (the the rape of a Japanese girl several years ago), it’s just the acts of individuals.

  12. Michael said on 27 Jun 2008 at 8:14 pm:
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    I’m not against you I’m with you, but sometimes greg twists his words to his own detriment, to make the issue more en-rageable, by slightly duping those who don’t pay attention.

    “Mexican military forces” and you hear “Mexican Military”

    then: he says
    foreign military units working under the orders of Mexican drug cartels and you don’t connect that fact to the previous one, thus the “deniable” dupe from Greg’s skill at word manipulation, something that frequently gets him in trouble. He would have much more credibility if he simply use clear and plain facts, letting people draw solid conclusions from those facts without his need for personal “embellishment”. It is one of his weaknesses, and when he argues (though they are ones I agree with often), he looses points in the dabate from liberals trying to shut him down.

    If he stuck to “neutral” and factual concepts like using “no ethnic based words, or religious based language, that shows biased anger” and only used “illegal” and legal in EVERY statement, and did not focus only on one country, but ALL foreign “illegal” sources in his language, he would never lose his arguments. Neither would the rest of you, but you leave yourself open by choosing the “wrong” words, even if the concets of “common law”, 287g, and fair and equitalbe law enforcement regardless of gender, race, religion or ethnic group are correct and “non-reproachable”

    Obviously to anyone paying attention those are not “official” Mexican federal government military troops.

    ergo, a cooperative effort with the “real” Mexican military to stop them puts two forces on the problem rather than a US only military effort.

  13. Anonguy said on 27 Jun 2008 at 8:16 pm:
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    I like the suggestion of a joint US Mexican combined SPEC OPS effort.Clear and Present Danger I say.

  14. Michael said on 27 Jun 2008 at 8:21 pm:
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    The “invasion” is massive numbers of members of Drug cartels.

    “illegal” crossing is not an “invasion”, but an “illegal” act of lawbreaking, punishable by “criminal” deportation and “civil” fines. On the anti site is a great post by A PWC Resident on the actual Title 18/8 law defining the “criminal” statute of the law (US Title 18/8) and the “civil” law broken as well, with the civil penalty defined.

    Greg should post it here so you can use facts to suppress that liberal “its not breaking the law” concept as well.

  15. Greg L said on 27 Jun 2008 at 9:02 pm:
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    Anyone suggesting join operations with Mexican forces clearly has no military experience. I’ve done joint operations with the Honduran military, which isn’t anywhere near riddled with corruption as the Mexican army, and I would be violently opposed to the notion of U.S. soldiers being in close proximity to Honduran soldiers if they have live ammunition. They’re simply too dangerous to themselves and those around them, and they have little idea of what they’re doing. But Honduran soldiers are considerably better than the dregs that fill the ranks in the Mexican army.

    The drug cartels actively recruit Mexican special operations soldiers to join the “Zetas”, which is the military force behind the Sinaloan cartel. Their army is infested with double-agents and cartel spies, their command structure is completely co-opted and full of corruption. Mexican army units are rented out to cartels regularly, and escort drug runners across our border on a frequent basis. The Mexican Army has been engaged in a battle with drug cartels in Ciudad Juarez for a couple of months now, and they are LOSING to the cartels. Mexico now is talking about “re-taking” territory lost to the cartels.

    Operating jointly with Mexican forces would be terrifically dangerous for our personnel. Integrating Mexican units into joint task forces with American forces would be insanely stupid.

    If we needed to operate military forces in Mexico, the best thing we could do is tell the Mexican army to return to their barracks and play soccer for a while while we handle things.

  16. An Independent said on 27 Jun 2008 at 10:55 pm:
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    Michael said: “On the anti site is a great post by A PWC Resident on the actual Title 18/8 law defining the “criminal” statute of the law (US Title 18/8) and the “civil” law broken as well, with the civil penalty defined.”

    Michael, I am “a PWC Resident” on the other site. Thank you for someone finally saying something about it. I thought it was lost in cyberspace.

  17. An Independent said on 27 Jun 2008 at 11:00 pm:
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    Michael, by the way, I saw you also said something on anti. But I guess Mackie’s response was that no one cares about immigration law.

  18. DPortM said on 28 Jun 2008 at 6:29 am:
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    I just received this e-mail from a relative who is a Customs/Border Patrol agent in Nogales, Arizona:

    “Remember the two Border Patrol Agents, Compean and Ramos, that shot a Mexican drug dealer in self defense. They were cleared of any wrong doing until the Mexican government pressured the U.S. government to prosecute them. They have been in prison for well over a year while Bush refuses to pardon them.

    You may not have heard of the drug smuggler that ran over a Border Patrol Agent near Yuma and fled to Mexico earlier this year. He was caught by Mexican authorities. Yesterday, a Mexican judge released him for time served. Check out the story at http://www.nbpc.net/ A Mexican drug smuggler kills a U.S. federal agent and serves a few weeks in jail. Two U.S. federal agents shoot a drug smuggler in self defence and get sentenced to over ten years in jail. What is going on? We are the superpower and we are letting a third world country get away with this crap. Call your representatives and let them know this injustice will not be tolerated.”

    This is a portion from the article:

    “Navarro was arrested Jan. 22 in the northern state of Sonora in Mexico and was being held in a Mexicali prison. Mexico had sought him for allegedly smuggling migrants.

    Navarro was the suspected driver of a smuggling vehicle that struck and killed Aguilar on Jan. 19 as Aguilar tried to deploy spike strips to stop the vehicle in the Imperial Sand Dunes. The vehicle was fleeing U.S. law enforcement officers at the time.

    Border Patrol spokesmen in the Washington, D.C., headquarters did not comment on the matter but instead issued a prepared statement from the Department of Homeland Security.

    “We are shocked and appalled to learn that Jesus Navarro Montes was recently released by a Mexican judge,” Chertoff said in the statement. “Navarro Montes is a suspect in the murder of Border Patrol Agent Luis Aguilar. Agent Aguilar was killed in a heinous act of violence on Jan. 19 in the Yuma Sector, while attempting to stop two vehicles that illegally entered the country and were absconding into Mexico.””

    The outrage only works one way - Mexico’s way. Compean and Ramos are still in jail - because the Mexican government wanted these brave agents punished. The Mexican government let Aguilar, the alleged murderer of a Border Patrol agent go.

  19. Johnson said on 28 Jun 2008 at 8:00 am:
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    Decriminalize drugs. Take away their money and power. Watch “legitimate” governments topple! Take the funding away from Islamic terrorist groups! I want to see all governments who support terrorism and illegal drugs sink back into the mire of the third world.

  20. Free Citizen said on 28 Jun 2008 at 2:19 pm:
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    There should be no joining with Mexico to save our borders.

    We need to save our Borders and stop the Drugs.

    We need to demand that our Military be used locally ,at the Border, to save our Country.

    We need to go on a campaign with our elected officials to get our Troops at the Border.We need them there now,as time is getting to late.

    I am sure the Troops would welcome being at the Border,protecting the USA.

    We all will see good results from this endeavour and a return of all that is good for America.

    We can’t wait any longer,so lets contact our elected officials now.

  21. Greg L said on 28 Jun 2008 at 2:45 pm:
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    From one of my email alerts:

    Ref: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2036510/posts

    Police Report: Mexican Army Members Busted for Home Invasion and Murder
    The suspects may have been hired by drug cartels to perform home invasions and assassinations in the U.S.
    View Police Documents:
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    Police reports show that three men arrested in a Phoenix home invasion and homicide Monday may have been active members of the Mexican Army.
    While on the J.D. Hayworth show, Phoenix Law Enforcement Association President Mark Spencer said that the men involved were hired by drug cartels to perform home invasions and assassinations.
    The Monday morning incident at 8329 W. Cypress St. resulted in the death of the homeowner. Between 50 and 100 rounds were fired at the house.
    Spencer said a police officer told him that one of the men captured said they were completely prepared to ambush Phoenix police, but ran out of ammunition.

  22. Krutis said on 28 Jun 2008 at 4:16 pm:
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    Free Citizen

    You’ll have to stop the drug USERS. They are the ones making it so profitable to smuggle drugs into the US.

    As for using the military - Are you aware that we’re heavily engaged, militarily, in another part of the world?

    I agree with you that our troops would “welcome” being on the US-Mexico border rather in Afghanistan and Iraq! Not as many road side bombs, for one thing.

    Guess we could get some people from the Navy since Iraq and Afghanistan together have only ONE port (Basra). But - we’ve got to keep a close watch on Iran in the Persian Gulf.

    Honestly, I wouldn’t worry a whole lot about being invaded by Mexico. Save the US from Mexico! Ought to make Mexicans laugh to hear talk like that. The big guy is running scared.

    Have you contacted your elected officials yet?

    No, I don’t want an open border at all, but you sound as if you’re frightened beyond any sensible limit.

  23. Anonymous said on 29 Jun 2008 at 11:47 am:
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    Krutis said on 28 Jun 2008 at 4:16 pm:
    Honestly, I wouldn’t worry a whole lot about being invaded by Mexico.

    We already have been. We have 10% of Mexicocaine’s population already in this country plus about 25% of el Saveadoor’s.

  24. Liela said on 30 Jun 2008 at 9:43 am:
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    Anonymous, don’t confuse Krustis with the facts. She likes to live in her own reality, and facts simply confuse and befuddle her.

  25. Advocator said on 30 Jun 2008 at 1:06 pm:
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    Eventually, this invasion of Illegals and Illegal drug cartel soldiers will have to be repelled by the honest citizenry. All who care about their country’s and children’s futures should prepare for the worst by having on hand at least one handgun (recommend .45 or 9 mm auto), 1 shotgun (pump or semi-auto, 12 ga), and one assault rifle (recommend AK-47 or SKS) and plenty of ammo. This is about a $1000 investment in your safety that will never lose its value. Learn how to use and maintain them. Practice reloading until you can do it with your eyes closed. Teach your kids to do the same.

  26. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 30 Jun 2008 at 3:10 pm:
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    Unfortunately Advocator, I think you are right. Until the citizens of the US stand up, no one will. The politicians are so worried about being politically correct that they have watered down the US. Remember how passive we were when the Cole was hit and the first WTC bombing. If we do not stand up and say enough is enough, then we will have 9/11 all over again. I agree that the jihadists are watching this little show to see what the response is going to be. Who knows if they are not funding this. They are placing people in the US cells as we speak. All it takes is an incident or a phone call to activate their missions. This needs to be stopped IMMEDIATELY!!!!

  27. Michael said on 30 Jun 2008 at 5:19 pm:
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    I defer to Greg’s ground experience on whether we should have joint operations with Mexican ground forces to stop this drug cartel intrusion and violence. Although I have military experience (18 1/2 years of airwar around the world) it is not with ground troops, mine is in the air over various countries coalition airspaces, and joint operations within Panama, Peru and Columbian government organizations during Counter-drug operations flown nightly in those regions for SOUTHCOM.

    Joint operations with Mexico would have to be agreed by current SOUTHCOM commanders as a viable operation.

  28. zeezil said on 1 Jul 2008 at 9:14 am:
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    El Guano:
    Your intelligence (lack of) and intellect (lack of) shines brightly again.

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