Why don’t you answer the questions in the other thread?

How do you depot 12 million people. That is easy, the Federal Government needs to do their jobs and that will scare many illegals off. The Federal Government needs to enforce work place rules and start to punish companies that hire illegals. Between enforcing current laws, the illegal alien situation will be taken care of.

Local and State Governments can do their parts by passing laws to discourage illegals from staying. Laws such as overcrowding ordnances, not providing social services to anyone but Citizens and legal immigrants, etc, will do wonders in sending the message that illegals are not welcomed.

As I said, if you know the local Police department is going to run a drunk stop in town, are you going to be stupid enough to drink and drive and risk getting caught?

I knew you true colors would come through sooner or later. You are just like all the other pro-illegal aliens folks, who claim to have an issue with illegals, but then never support any attempt to remove them, and in fact want to reward illegals for their law breaking.

Would you want to reward any other type of criminal? Would you want to reward a company that broke the law in a business transaction that you were involved in?

One simple question: How do you propose to deport 12 million illegal aliens. Self deport is not an acceptable answer.

You are just plain dense, if you think illegals are an economic plus for the Country. How can any criminal be positive? Any “yob” that thinks illegals are a positive get stuck with mealy mouthed elected officials who take them for a ride and stick the local population with increased costs and a more dangerous neighborhood.

Just exactly are the illegals in your opinion that are “helpful”. The ones that rape ten year olds? The ones that murder? The ones that ruin people’s credit?

We have a system in place to deport illegals and that is a fine system as long as we do not have “yobs” in place that support rapists and killers.

Do you realize just how ironice your last paragraph is? You are bascally saying it is wrong for people tobreak the law to take advantage of people breaking the law. Seems to me that anyone who breaks the law, gets what they deserve.

How is breaking the law a conservative value?

What is bad for the country is a federal regime that doesn’t work - it fails to provide border security, it leaves immigrants vulnerable to exploitation, it inspires disrespect for federal authority, and it doesn’t maximize economic growth, efficiency and productive migration.

At what point do you draw the line at giving them a pass? Many people who support illegals say all illegals are hard working and productive members of society. They simply refuse to admit illegals are bad for the Country.

You and the other supporters of criminals love to describe illegals as hard working, so I’m just trying to use language you are familiar with. Of course you avoid any and all direct questions. I realize you are slow on the up take, but you should at the very least be able to answer very simple and direct questions.

I think an appropriate visa would be the right approach for most. Don’t think your idea of citizenship is necessary except for those who have been here for a good long while or who have specialized skills.

I thought we did but I was wrong, I have it in writing from Chief Skinner’s office. The gang signage we have seen in Manassas is not an indication of gang presence, rather the work of children at play, you know playing like gang members. Kind of like we used to play cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians when we were kids. According to MCPD this is absolutely innocent childs play.
I felt so much better after I was informed of this by Chief Skinner’s office, I just can not express how relieved I was, and am.

MCPD even wrote letters to my neighbors saying I was wrong and just overreacting, you know, kind of neurotic or something.

I went and had my head checked out and you know what my doctor said?
“I see, you have a vivid imagination, you see a gang problem in Manassas, everyone knows there is no such thing, it’s all in your head, here, take sixteen of these 9mm capsules with you and use as directed, then maybe you will feel better, provided you survive”.

Again, do you really read what you write? You posted this about the “hard working” illegals.

I wouldn’t rule out the Becker/Posner idea of auctioning off or selling available slots, as opposed to levying fines against scofflaws who are here illegally and who want to stay. Any plan that’s in the interest of the United States would have to have certain elements. Those include streamlining the application and citizenship process, making emigration to the United States attractive, particulalry in the high skill trades/professions, dealing with the millions of illegals who are here now, sorting out the criminals from the hard-workers, and ensuring that the borders are secure while at the same time having positive incentives to cross legally.

You are for deportation, yet against mass deportation. If deportation is done one at a time or the whole lot is tossed out at the same time, is there really a difference?

How would you “legalize” them? Provide them Citizenship?

How would you sort out the “hard working” and the ones you consider to be criminals?

Of course you deport criminals who are here illegally. That has always been the law and the policy, but the resources to do it have been lacking. I’m not against deportation of aliens who commit crimes when they’re here - no one’s against that (except perhaps the criminal who is being deported). I am against mass deportation of the millions of illegals who are here and contributing to the economy. If there were 20 or 30 of these folks, maybe you could manage, but the reality is that we’ve let this situation get completely out of control to the point where mass deportation would be a massive and historic moral, ethical and policy debacle for the United States at a time when our stock is at a pretty low ebb in any event. I don’t think decent Americans would want their country to be part of any such thing. I’d penalize them for the illegal entry and get them processed legally as quickly as possible. My primary objective would be to get rid of the underground economy and lifestyle and bring that out where you can see it. Virtually every other issue would resolve itself if that were done.

I hate to keep picking on you, but you really do make it easy.

How do you suppose we go about the vetting of illegals to ensure they are not “criminals”? Do we just take their word for it? How about those illegals(I know it is hard to think they would engage in such behavior) that use multiple identities?

Again, how do we know the illegal who is “hard working” is not a gang banger?

You say you are against deportation, what would you do with the illegals who are not hard working and are just common criminals? Invite them over to your house and keep watch over them? Or, would you deport them?

Deportation of course works well, and when an illegal is caught by either a local, State, or the Feds, they should be deported. No, “mass” deportation there, just making the folks who break the law pay the price for their law breaking.

Of course the immigration system is screwed up. We have a Government that does not enforce the laws we have, that is why it is screwed up.

The fact that 1 in 10 people living in Virginia are foreign born is pretty clear we do have a very good system of allowing legal immigrants into the Country.

I wouldn’t rule out the Becker/Posner idea of auctioning off or selling available slots, as opposed to levying fines against scofflaws who are here illegally and who want to stay. Any plan that’s in the interest of the United States would have to have certain elements. Those include streamlining the application and citizenship process, making emigration to the United States attractive, particulalry in the high skill trades/professions, dealing with the millions of illegals who are here now, sorting out the criminals from the hard-workers, and ensuring that the borders are secure while at the same time having positive incentives to cross legally.

Do you really pay attention to what you write? You say you do not support amnesty, yet want to give Citizenship to illegals. Your double talk is pretty amazing. What is breaking immigration laws? Working here illegally? Driving without a license and or insurance? Do you not consider those to be crimes? Well, you would be the only one to think that.

How about those illegals who stole your identity to gain employment? Yup, no sense in punishing those folks. Under the leadership of the great “Nova Scout”, those folks would be the toast of the Nation. Good thing that identity theft is a non violent crime, and does not cost the victim any time or money trying to fix their credit issues.

Again, I ask how is cheating the system and benefiting from it a conservative value?

If you have something that I want, I suppose under your “system” of “flow” I should be able to break into your home and take what I want. To you, since that is not a “violent” crime, I should not only be able to take what I want, but I should be rewarded for it.

Of course local elected officials should protect the people who they are responsible for.

My position is that federal immigration policy is a mess. It has to be fixed. I supported penalties for illegal immigrants as a precondition for allowing those with no criminal records to stay on. No amnesty there. I oppose your solution of “get[ting] rid of all illegals” if by that you mean mass deportation or worse. I support a system that encourages large scale legal immigration into the United States at all skill levels, particularly but not exclusively at the tech/med/research levels and that provides a strong incentive (meaning minimal bureaucracy) to cherry pick the best and brightest the world over and bring them here to stay as citizens. I support the maximum possible free movement of labor and capital across borders consistent with security concerns. I support bringing non-violent immigrants out of the underground economy out where we can see, tax, monitor and protect them against exploitation. I oppose silly local pols scamming yobs with demagogic, fiscally irresponsible, constitutionally corrosive, law enforcement degrading over-commitments on local action.

That’s my conservative take on this. Got it?

Can’t we just look at pay stubs?

(Yea, I’m being sarcastic)

What is funny, is that you have posted in favor of “compressive” immigration reform in the past, and specifically the Senate bills that included amnesty for these very type of people. Stop trying to play both sides.

You have argued that we should reward “working” illegals. Well, how do we know which of these illegals had jobs and which ones did not? So, as you can see, how very stupid your argument is. We simply need to get rid of all illegals.