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	<title>Comments on: Billboard Hearing Postponed To September 5th</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/</link>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-70164</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-70164</guid>
		<description>FOX news channel is going to have a story on the "sign" coming up in the next couple of segments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOX news channel is going to have a story on the &#8220;sign&#8221; coming up in the next couple of segments.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69997</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69997</guid>
		<description>Hey Dolph,

You have been called out by two people.  Come on, we are waiting to hear what you would do with illegals and how you would decide which ones are worthy to stay here and which ones you would ship out....  Please do not turn into the typical pro illegal alien supporter(and yes that is what they are called when they support illegals) and run away when faced with the tough questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dolph,</p>
<p>You have been called out by two people.  Come on, we are waiting to hear what you would do with illegals and how you would decide which ones are worthy to stay here and which ones you would ship out&#8230;.  Please do not turn into the typical pro illegal alien supporter(and yes that is what they are called when they support illegals) and run away when faced with the tough questions.</p>
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		<title>By: madmom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69983</link>
		<dc:creator>madmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69983</guid>
		<description>I would  like to know how much it has cost the City to go to court 
all these times, sending summons, notices, comic books, whatever
they've sent to the owner.  

Is there a way to figure out the cost?  Does the City keep an
ongoing "log" of the cost of each violation?  Will Fernandez (?)
have to pay this back to the City when he loses?  (in 2010 maybe?)

I have heard that the neighbors are really tired of this sign and it's
a blight to their neighborhood.  Maybe all the neighbors should 
send in a complaint?  Would that get things rollin'???

Jeez I'm glad I don't live next door.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would  like to know how much it has cost the City to go to court<br />
all these times, sending summons, notices, comic books, whatever<br />
they&#8217;ve sent to the owner.  </p>
<p>Is there a way to figure out the cost?  Does the City keep an<br />
ongoing &#8220;log&#8221; of the cost of each violation?  Will Fernandez (?)<br />
have to pay this back to the City when he loses?  (in 2010 maybe?)</p>
<p>I have heard that the neighbors are really tired of this sign and it&#8217;s<br />
a blight to their neighborhood.  Maybe all the neighbors should<br />
send in a complaint?  Would that get things rollin&#8217;???</p>
<p>Jeez I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t live next door&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: 999</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69982</link>
		<dc:creator>999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69982</guid>
		<description>former COM employee said on 6 Jul 2008 at 2:07 pm: 
Anonymous 12:33, it is not the City’s responsibility to bring ugly signs down that you and I disagree with.

We must have a lot of "stupid" people and "idiots" in the city and county then.
Color your self a "stupid idiot."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>former COM employee said on 6 Jul 2008 at 2:07 pm:<br />
Anonymous 12:33, it is not the City’s responsibility to bring ugly signs down that you and I disagree with.</p>
<p>We must have a lot of &#8220;stupid&#8221; people and &#8220;idiots&#8221; in the city and county then.<br />
Color your self a &#8220;stupid idiot.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vigilant1</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69979</link>
		<dc:creator>Vigilant1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69979</guid>
		<description>Dolph said on 7 Jul 2008 at 9:50 am: 
CoM,

I just want to hear how you are going to get 12-20 million people, depending on who is counting, out of this country. I would say that stopping them from entering is not possible. 

No jobs = no money = SELF DEPORTATION.

Stop the jobs for illegals.  If they have no money and no prospects of earning anY, they WILL leave.  Look at ARIZONA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph said on 7 Jul 2008 at 9:50 am:<br />
CoM,</p>
<p>I just want to hear how you are going to get 12-20 million people, depending on who is counting, out of this country. I would say that stopping them from entering is not possible. </p>
<p>No jobs = no money = SELF DEPORTATION.</p>
<p>Stop the jobs for illegals.  If they have no money and no prospects of earning anY, they WILL leave.  Look at ARIZONA.</p>
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		<title>By: /\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69978</link>
		<dc:creator>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69978</guid>
		<description>freedom,

There is a great ring of truth in your post.  We should step up and start to enforce the laws we have on the books.  Once the laws are enforced, the self deportation will remove any need to round them up and deport them.  OK and AZ have had a decrease in unemployment rates since their immigration laws have been put into effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freedom,</p>
<p>There is a great ring of truth in your post.  We should step up and start to enforce the laws we have on the books.  Once the laws are enforced, the self deportation will remove any need to round them up and deport them.  OK and AZ have had a decrease in unemployment rates since their immigration laws have been put into effect.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69977</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69977</guid>
		<description>Nope Dolph, no easy solutions.  However, pretending that a problem does not exist may SEEM like a solution, but it isn't.  With no skills, a language barrier, no desire to assimilate, and a professed "home" that isn't home simply creates a permanent poverty class.  We don't need that in this country.

Stopping border crossers 100% is impractical if not impossible, but 90% would be a GREAT start...and given desire, I believe that to be possible.  Without desire, few things ARE possible.

As for those who are already here illegally, no, I don't suggest "rounding 'em up and shipping 'em out."  That too is impractical, but through a series of measures...the PWC Resolution being a start...it IS practical to discourage illegal presence.  

If enough localities (even Fairfax county, when they decide that they can't afford to support their own, plus the PWC transplants) adopt the Rule of Law Resolution, the federal government (even Jim Webb) will see the will of the American people and recognize that their jobs are on the line.  Then, they will step up to their responsibility and take appropriate measures to stop the inflow. 

I don't hate these people, not at all.  In fact, I will wholeheartedly support and help those who comply with our immigration laws and wish to become American citizens.  ...and yes, the immigration quota does need to be adjusted periodically to meet the labor needs and economic capabilities of this country.

The "take one, take all" mentality must come to a close however; we simply can't afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope Dolph, no easy solutions.  However, pretending that a problem does not exist may SEEM like a solution, but it isn&#8217;t.  With no skills, a language barrier, no desire to assimilate, and a professed &#8220;home&#8221; that isn&#8217;t home simply creates a permanent poverty class.  We don&#8217;t need that in this country.</p>
<p>Stopping border crossers 100% is impractical if not impossible, but 90% would be a GREAT start&#8230;and given desire, I believe that to be possible.  Without desire, few things ARE possible.</p>
<p>As for those who are already here illegally, no, I don&#8217;t suggest &#8220;rounding &#8216;em up and shipping &#8216;em out.&#8221;  That too is impractical, but through a series of measures&#8230;the PWC Resolution being a start&#8230;it IS practical to discourage illegal presence.  </p>
<p>If enough localities (even Fairfax county, when they decide that they can&#8217;t afford to support their own, plus the PWC transplants) adopt the Rule of Law Resolution, the federal government (even Jim Webb) will see the will of the American people and recognize that their jobs are on the line.  Then, they will step up to their responsibility and take appropriate measures to stop the inflow. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate these people, not at all.  In fact, I will wholeheartedly support and help those who comply with our immigration laws and wish to become American citizens.  &#8230;and yes, the immigration quota does need to be adjusted periodically to meet the labor needs and economic capabilities of this country.</p>
<p>The &#8220;take one, take all&#8221; mentality must come to a close however; we simply can&#8217;t afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69968</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69968</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

As I said, is it possible today for law enforcement to go out and retain every criminal?  Is it possible for law enforcement to prevent every crime?  No.  However, does that mean they should stop trying or stop taking into custody the criminals they  come across? 

The same goes for illegals.  Steps that Counties are taking, including Prince William, are making it more difficult for illegals to openly live as law breakers by taking away the incentive.   

ICE it seems can and will pick up illegals to deport.   Just by taking a more aggressive approach to enforcing the law will make illegals move or even stop people from thinking of coming here illegally.    The same way it would prevent many from speeding if they knew the local law enforcement agency was going to ramp up speed limit laws and to set up speed traps.

The Federal Government pays for the deportation of illegals. 

I would include those that overstay their visias the same. 

When the police are running DUI check points, do they round up everyone driving?  Or, just those that are drunk and have broken the law by drinking and driving.  

Really, you question about rounding up everyone who looks illegal is pretty stupid, and again is an attempt throw mud.  I suppose I should just consider the source.....

It is not complex, you just want to see it that way. 

How would you handle the issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>As I said, is it possible today for law enforcement to go out and retain every criminal?  Is it possible for law enforcement to prevent every crime?  No.  However, does that mean they should stop trying or stop taking into custody the criminals they  come across? </p>
<p>The same goes for illegals.  Steps that Counties are taking, including Prince William, are making it more difficult for illegals to openly live as law breakers by taking away the incentive.   </p>
<p>ICE it seems can and will pick up illegals to deport.   Just by taking a more aggressive approach to enforcing the law will make illegals move or even stop people from thinking of coming here illegally.    The same way it would prevent many from speeding if they knew the local law enforcement agency was going to ramp up speed limit laws and to set up speed traps.</p>
<p>The Federal Government pays for the deportation of illegals. </p>
<p>I would include those that overstay their visias the same. </p>
<p>When the police are running DUI check points, do they round up everyone driving?  Or, just those that are drunk and have broken the law by drinking and driving.  </p>
<p>Really, you question about rounding up everyone who looks illegal is pretty stupid, and again is an attempt throw mud.  I suppose I should just consider the source&#8230;..</p>
<p>It is not complex, you just want to see it that way. </p>
<p>How would you handle the issue?</p>
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		<title>By: /\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69967</link>
		<dc:creator>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69967</guid>
		<description>former COM employee,

I have said many times on this very blog that the city is giving him enough rope to hang himself.  It just takes some longer to tie the knot than others :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>former COM employee,</p>
<p>I have said many times on this very blog that the city is giving him enough rope to hang himself.  It just takes some longer to tie the knot than others <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69960</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69960</guid>
		<description>CoM,

I try not to operate on hatred.  I find it is self destructive for most people.  

I just want to hear how you are going to get 12-20 million people, depending on who is counting, out of this country.  I would say that stopping them from entering is not possible.  

Would you be comfortable with rounding up anyone you thought might be illegal?  Where would you house them until you could get them deported?  Who would pay for the deportation or would you use the honor system? 

Would you treat those who entered legally and overstayed a visa differently than those who crossed a border without permission?

I see a rather complex set of issues for which there are no easy solutions.  I don't see it as being an illegal lover or any of the other names some people want to throw on people when they don't have solutions for the questions, or perhaps their solutions are too unspeakable for public consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CoM,</p>
<p>I try not to operate on hatred.  I find it is self destructive for most people.  </p>
<p>I just want to hear how you are going to get 12-20 million people, depending on who is counting, out of this country.  I would say that stopping them from entering is not possible.  </p>
<p>Would you be comfortable with rounding up anyone you thought might be illegal?  Where would you house them until you could get them deported?  Who would pay for the deportation or would you use the honor system? </p>
<p>Would you treat those who entered legally and overstayed a visa differently than those who crossed a border without permission?</p>
<p>I see a rather complex set of issues for which there are no easy solutions.  I don&#8217;t see it as being an illegal lover or any of the other names some people want to throw on people when they don&#8217;t have solutions for the questions, or perhaps their solutions are too unspeakable for public consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69955</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69955</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

No, as I have said many of times here, we have plenty of our own criminals.  I have also said we should not cut them a break, and in fact, unlike our own criminals, many pro-illegal folks seem to make only excuses for illegals and their own criminal behavior.  

The point about illegals is they should not be here in the first place, so regardless of the type of crime they commit it is one too many, and one that should not have happened if we had elected officials who did their jobs.  

The usual excuse for the pro-illegal crowd is that illegals are hard working and otherwise law abiding.  Well, at what point does they law breaking become an issue?  After driving without a license?  After stealing an identity?  After driving without insurance and getting into an accident that was their fault?  

 Why take a chance on an illegal that has already shown they will disregard the law(by coming here illegally) when they feel like it?  

Hate is a good thing sometimes that can motivate people to do the right thing. 

Of course if ICE and our elected officials who oversee ICE are indifferent to the problem of illegal immigration, nothing will happen.  However, that hatred for illegals that is growing does good on the local and State level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>No, as I have said many of times here, we have plenty of our own criminals.  I have also said we should not cut them a break, and in fact, unlike our own criminals, many pro-illegal folks seem to make only excuses for illegals and their own criminal behavior.  </p>
<p>The point about illegals is they should not be here in the first place, so regardless of the type of crime they commit it is one too many, and one that should not have happened if we had elected officials who did their jobs.  </p>
<p>The usual excuse for the pro-illegal crowd is that illegals are hard working and otherwise law abiding.  Well, at what point does they law breaking become an issue?  After driving without a license?  After stealing an identity?  After driving without insurance and getting into an accident that was their fault?  </p>
<p> Why take a chance on an illegal that has already shown they will disregard the law(by coming here illegally) when they feel like it?  </p>
<p>Hate is a good thing sometimes that can motivate people to do the right thing. </p>
<p>Of course if ICE and our elected officials who oversee ICE are indifferent to the problem of illegal immigration, nothing will happen.  However, that hatred for illegals that is growing does good on the local and State level.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69949</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69949</guid>
		<description>CoM,

You seem to feel that the only rapists, murderers, and identity thieves  are illegal immigrants?  I want all people who do those things in jail, regardless of their status.  If those who do those things serve their time, when finished I want them deported, if they were in this country illegally.  

Hating others is very energy draining, time-consuming and counter productive.  It is especially counter-productive to waste time on things that will never happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CoM,</p>
<p>You seem to feel that the only rapists, murderers, and identity thieves  are illegal immigrants?  I want all people who do those things in jail, regardless of their status.  If those who do those things serve their time, when finished I want them deported, if they were in this country illegally.  </p>
<p>Hating others is very energy draining, time-consuming and counter productive.  It is especially counter-productive to waste time on things that will never happen.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69943</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69943</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

There is nobody that is pro-illegal?  I suppose Mexican without borders is not pro-illegal?  How about the elected officials who voted in favor of amnesty?  How about the many people who speak out against efforts to stop it?  

You have tried to play both sides of the issues and now that you have been called out on it, you get defensive and attempt to belittle those that call you on it. 

Why would not the goal of taking care of illegals include deporting them?  That is the current law.    Is it possible for law enforcement to round up every single criminal?  Nope, but that does not stop law enforcement from enforcing the laws, or from taking into custody the criminals they do run across.   


Do you really have mixed feelings about people that rape children?  Or mixed feelings about people that murder?  Or that steal identities?   I suppose I should not be shocked, but really, you should not even try to say you are concerned about this issue, and then turn around and say you are against the one law that will go a long way in taking care of that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>There is nobody that is pro-illegal?  I suppose Mexican without borders is not pro-illegal?  How about the elected officials who voted in favor of amnesty?  How about the many people who speak out against efforts to stop it?  </p>
<p>You have tried to play both sides of the issues and now that you have been called out on it, you get defensive and attempt to belittle those that call you on it. </p>
<p>Why would not the goal of taking care of illegals include deporting them?  That is the current law.    Is it possible for law enforcement to round up every single criminal?  Nope, but that does not stop law enforcement from enforcing the laws, or from taking into custody the criminals they do run across.   </p>
<p>Do you really have mixed feelings about people that rape children?  Or mixed feelings about people that murder?  Or that steal identities?   I suppose I should not be shocked, but really, you should not even try to say you are concerned about this issue, and then turn around and say you are against the one law that will go a long way in taking care of that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69940</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69940</guid>
		<description>I've read the comments about the failures of the city....and on the other hand, it's a court issue...and they must be sure that the city did everything to work this out before showing up in court etc....  You're probably ALL right, but the sad part is that it takes sooooooooooo long to enforce a simple ordinance.  There is no question that 99% of the residents disagree with the signs' message and consider it to be an eyesore.  

Here's the kicker...if the sign were critical of illegal aliens, critical of those who violated our immigration policies in crossing our border illegally...regardless of race or nationality...the city/county/court would act quickly in having the sign removed. 

How can this be?  ...but it is!  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read the comments about the failures of the city&#8230;.and on the other hand, it&#8217;s a court issue&#8230;and they must be sure that the city did everything to work this out before showing up in court etc&#8230;.  You&#8217;re probably ALL right, but the sad part is that it takes sooooooooooo long to enforce a simple ordinance.  There is no question that 99% of the residents disagree with the signs&#8217; message and consider it to be an eyesore.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the kicker&#8230;if the sign were critical of illegal aliens, critical of those who violated our immigration policies in crossing our border illegally&#8230;regardless of race or nationality&#8230;the city/county/court would act quickly in having the sign removed. </p>
<p>How can this be?  &#8230;but it is!  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69938</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69938</guid>
		<description>Got it - thanks.  I will look forward to a successful ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it - thanks.  I will look forward to a successful ending.</p>
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		<title>By: former COM employee</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69927</link>
		<dc:creator>former COM employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69927</guid>
		<description>Manassas city resident, I suspect that it has more to do with the fact that the city has been enbattled with a lawsuit brought forward by the equal rights center rather than the owners last name.  But I know it can be hard to understand, but the courts really do want an attempt at working these things out rather than coming to court.  I promise you that the City needs to show that they made every last attempt to work this out before showing up to court especially since the defendants side is going to make it a free speech issue rather than a violation of the Virginia Uniform Statewide Building Code issue.  Remember, all the owner had to do was obtain a building permit and keep his property clean and no violation would have existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manassas city resident, I suspect that it has more to do with the fact that the city has been enbattled with a lawsuit brought forward by the equal rights center rather than the owners last name.  But I know it can be hard to understand, but the courts really do want an attempt at working these things out rather than coming to court.  I promise you that the City needs to show that they made every last attempt to work this out before showing up to court especially since the defendants side is going to make it a free speech issue rather than a violation of the Virginia Uniform Statewide Building Code issue.  Remember, all the owner had to do was obtain a building permit and keep his property clean and no violation would have existed.</p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69925</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69925</guid>
		<description>former COM employee said on 6 Jul 2008 at 3:05 pm: 

I suppose I will have to trust you on this, since you are in the "know"... and perhaps I don't know how this should be handled - but I do know that I do not like what I have seen to date.  How long do you think this would have gone on if I had done this, or anyone else for that matter?  Are we walking on eggshells because his name is Fernandez?
As a city resident, it has always been like a slap in the face to have had to look at this piece of garbage for so long.  But, again, I will have to trust you on this one.   I just hope that we are not having this same discussion in September, should it be delayed YET AGAIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>former COM employee said on 6 Jul 2008 at 3:05 pm: </p>
<p>I suppose I will have to trust you on this, since you are in the &#8220;know&#8221;&#8230; and perhaps I don&#8217;t know how this should be handled - but I do know that I do not like what I have seen to date.  How long do you think this would have gone on if I had done this, or anyone else for that matter?  Are we walking on eggshells because his name is Fernandez?<br />
As a city resident, it has always been like a slap in the face to have had to look at this piece of garbage for so long.  But, again, I will have to trust you on this one.   I just hope that we are not having this same discussion in September, should it be delayed YET AGAIN.</p>
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		<title>By: former COM employee</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69921</link>
		<dc:creator>former COM employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69921</guid>
		<description>MCR, he has not broken every zoning law and in fact he was not notified of a zoning violation until very late in the process.  And the City's strategy of slow and steady will prove correct.  In addition, this is not the normal case.  This involves free speech.  You and I and many others may not agree with his message but he has a right to say and/or write it.  The only difference is he has to do it within the bounds of all laws and ordinances which it appears he has not.  It is not open season to violate local laws and ordinances and I would expect better from someone like you who seems to think he knows how this should be handled.  Not all cases are alike and not all get handled the same way.  The City is handling this one the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCR, he has not broken every zoning law and in fact he was not notified of a zoning violation until very late in the process.  And the City&#8217;s strategy of slow and steady will prove correct.  In addition, this is not the normal case.  This involves free speech.  You and I and many others may not agree with his message but he has a right to say and/or write it.  The only difference is he has to do it within the bounds of all laws and ordinances which it appears he has not.  It is not open season to violate local laws and ordinances and I would expect better from someone like you who seems to think he knows how this should be handled.  Not all cases are alike and not all get handled the same way.  The City is handling this one the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69917</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69917</guid>
		<description>Ok.  Then I'm an idiot.  Because if he's broken every zoning law, etc. then what the heck?  You've lost me.   Go ahead, color me "stupid."  
Attention all:  It's open season to break every code/zoning law on the books.  By doing so, you will gain two years to continue to break the law.  Don't you worry now, because the city will "take its time" to take you to court to resolve the issue.
Signed,
Stupid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  Then I&#8217;m an idiot.  Because if he&#8217;s broken every zoning law, etc. then what the heck?  You&#8217;ve lost me.   Go ahead, color me &#8220;stupid.&#8221;<br />
Attention all:  It&#8217;s open season to break every code/zoning law on the books.  By doing so, you will gain two years to continue to break the law.  Don&#8217;t you worry now, because the city will &#8220;take its time&#8221; to take you to court to resolve the issue.<br />
Signed,<br />
Stupid</p>
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		<title>By: former COM employee</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69916</link>
		<dc:creator>former COM employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/03/billboard-hearing-postponed-to-september-5th/#comment-69916</guid>
		<description>Anonymous 12:33, it is not the City's responsibility to bring ugly signs down that you and I disagree with.  It is the City's responsibilty to ensure that everyone is complying with the law.  in the case of liberty Street, the owner has been accused of violating the VUSBC and local zoning laws.  If the owner had complied with all laws the City would have no choice but to allow the sign to remain.  That was what I meant by my statement.  I really hate it when stupid people like you make me resort to name calling but I must say you are not acting like an idiot, you have proven you are an idiot.  You would be the first one bitching if the City had taken the owner to court earlier and lost the case and then got sued.  You have no clue on the legal obligations on how to run a City and I can say that because of the post you have left on here.  I believe the City will win the case and it will be because of the fact that they took things slow and steady and built a case.  You should have learned by the City's attempt at over crowding enforcement with the family definition that overreacting is not the smart course.  I give the City a lot of credit for their repsonse to this issue and in the end it will be beneficial to everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous 12:33, it is not the City&#8217;s responsibility to bring ugly signs down that you and I disagree with.  It is the City&#8217;s responsibilty to ensure that everyone is complying with the law.  in the case of liberty Street, the owner has been accused of violating the VUSBC and local zoning laws.  If the owner had complied with all laws the City would have no choice but to allow the sign to remain.  That was what I meant by my statement.  I really hate it when stupid people like you make me resort to name calling but I must say you are not acting like an idiot, you have proven you are an idiot.  You would be the first one bitching if the City had taken the owner to court earlier and lost the case and then got sued.  You have no clue on the legal obligations on how to run a City and I can say that because of the post you have left on here.  I believe the City will win the case and it will be because of the fact that they took things slow and steady and built a case.  You should have learned by the City&#8217;s attempt at over crowding enforcement with the family definition that overreacting is not the smart course.  I give the City a lot of credit for their repsonse to this issue and in the end it will be beneficial to everyone involved.</p>
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