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By Greg L | 13 July 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 72 Comments

Some of the items that land in my inbox really reinforce my firm conviction that working to reduce the number of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in our community is a vital community service.  There are a shocking number of folks out there seeking to excuse a specific ethnic group from any requirement to comply with the law, a philosophy that is contrary to the foundational ideals of this nation, and which if codified into law would undoubtedly cause tremendous problems.  To wit:

we latinos are makin the world a better place!

no damn white american guy would construct a school or any other buildings… when you see WE LATINOS working in construction we actualy work…all i see is the white guys smoking.

the crops come from latin america

and don’t forget GAS!

SO YOU NEED TO STOP COMPLAINING!

WE WERE HERE B4 ALL OF YOU..

WE ARE NATIVE AMERICANS!

JUS REMEMBER OCE UR GREAT GREAT GREAT GREATGREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE ONCE ILLEGAL!

Just imagine if no one bothered to challenge this insanity, and it became accepted as the politically-correct mainstream view.  Would we continue to actually have a country, or would we be reduced to warring tribes scrapping over the smoking remnants of the United States of America?



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72 Comments

  1. BattleCat said on 13 Jul 2008 at 4:06 pm:
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    Ahhh, a little something from the coordinators of the “Anti-Site”???

  2. Dave in PWC said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:25 pm:
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    Keep up the good fight, you and HSM are making a difference, my neighborhood is coming back, people are walking around at night after dinner visiting with other neighbors out walking. No more flophouses that I can see. Drop me a line the next time you want to go demonstrate our first ammendment rights.

  3. elvis said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:25 pm:
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    even the fat broads wouldnt cook up something so stupid. They ARE stupid but at least semi-literate. OK, I’ll concede they have at least a 8th grade education which is far more than the fool who wrote that letter.

  4. manassascityresident said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:40 pm:
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    Hey Elvis -
    Nice to see you over here!

  5. Elvis said on 13 Jul 2008 at 6:56 pm:
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    MCR,

    Thanks…tired of playing in kindergarden. Those chicks are whack!

  6. BattleCat said on 13 Jul 2008 at 6:58 pm:
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    Dudes / Dudettes,

    Our house just got nailed by lightning. That’ll make you mess yourself!

  7. Emma said on 13 Jul 2008 at 7:32 pm:
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    Yeah, the greatest and most powerful nation in the world became that way while the white guys just stood around smoking.

    Hi, elvis.

  8. CitizenofManassas said on 13 Jul 2008 at 7:46 pm:
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    Wow, I suppose he would also say they are the only ones to rape 4 and 10 year olds.

  9. Arlington Minority said on 13 Jul 2008 at 8:23 pm:
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    I would strong commend to all BVBL readers and commenters the following article from “The Brussels Journal” which focuses on the Portland, Oregon mindset and concludes that our inability to control our borders, culture and language is slowly but surely causing America to voluntarily transform itself into a dysfunctional socialist Third World country.
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3409

  10. IllegalisILLEGAL said on 13 Jul 2008 at 8:51 pm:
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    Yeah, just what we all want a third world country. I too welcome elvis. I love your songs!

  11. manassascityresident said on 13 Jul 2008 at 8:54 pm:
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    Battlecat - Are you ok? Hope so! Where exactly did it hit?

  12. starryflights said on 13 Jul 2008 at 9:48 pm:
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    What “fat broads” and “chicks” are you referring to. I know you are turning me off from this site. Other other women offended by this?

  13. Red, White and Blue said on 13 Jul 2008 at 10:56 pm:
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    Did I notice all the white people hanging around the 7/11s, Home Depots, and plazas? I must have missed them. The latinos must be hiding them in the crowd. Wow, and I never knew mexicans built America. I just need to look at Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras and I should have figured it out with their great roads, infrastructure, super cities, well dressed folks, fantastic wages, great colleges and a super police department as well as a the best in an outstanding political system -second to none! Thanks for bringing all this to America. Thanks for being here during World War II, building our highways, our skyscrapers, our cities and of course, growing all our crops over the decades. Those poor white people just sitting there and smoking. Now I understand, I see the picture and I smell the poop.

    Let all the history book be changed. It wasn’t Jefferson and Washinigton, it was Jose and Julio. It wasn’t Edison, Ford but Juan and Roberto. Generlisimo Electricia, EBM, and Boeing Aero are all really mexicanto.

    The Raylettes were right - “Hit the road Jack and don’t ya come back no more, no more, no more, no more, no more…..”

    Got a job for you that Americans won’t do - believing your lies.

  14. monticup said on 13 Jul 2008 at 11:42 pm:
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    Red, White and Blue: This is the nonsense the illegals are fed. They actually believe that installing drywall means they built a country. It is childish thinking; very primitive and unsophisticated. Why they choose to come here to construct a country rather than focus on their own cesspools is a question they never address. These ignoramuses are in denial–I defy them to name ONE technological or scientific advance originating from Mexico or El Salvador. They can’t do it. On the other hand they’re good at growing marijuana. If only they would focus on growing coffee and mahogany. Then they really would be making a contribution.

  15. long time said on 14 Jul 2008 at 6:46 am:
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    we wouldn’t need to be building so many schools if the illegal aliens weren’t all having 10 children. At least the letter you received could have thanked the “smoking white guy” for paying taxes to build the school that his anchor baby children get to go.

  16. zeezil said on 14 Jul 2008 at 7:40 am:
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    Those writings (and thoughts?) reinforces the ignorance of the illegals and the fact that they come here with no education. After millions of our taxdollars spent to pump up their IQ by a point…it ain’t working!

  17. IllegalisILLEGAL said on 14 Jul 2008 at 8:55 am:
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    Can anyone tell me what new housing went in to cause the huge addition to Yorkshire elementary school? Or could it bethe overcrowding that is happening in that area?

  18. What's next said on 14 Jul 2008 at 9:09 am:
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    starryflights - I would have to agree with you there… Can we stop calling people from the anti site names. Sure, disagree with them but calling them “fat broads” doesn’t do anything for the debate and just takes away from what is being said here. I don’t agree with most of what is said over there but I don’t think we need to be calling them names when ever someone refers to them.

  19. NLH said on 14 Jul 2008 at 9:44 am:
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    Red, White & Blue:
    Well said. The Mexicans may have been on this soil many, many years ago, but the legal immigrants (our families) that came to this country built it and made the United States something so good that we are being over powered from legal immigrants to stay here. The illegal alien’s are the ones causing the confusion and problems. I still do not understand why there are those who want to give our country away!

  20. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 10:44 am:
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    “Let all the history book be changed. It wasn’t Jefferson and Washinigton, it was Jose and Julio. It wasn’t Edison”

    Funny you should mention Edison.

    http://fecha.org/edison.htm

    “Most people believe Thomas Alva Edison was born in Milan, Ohio. But there is a legend in Mexico that “Tõmas” Alva was born in Lagos de Moreno, then taken to the U.S. as a toddler and adopted into the Edison family.”

    There was some crackpot on Libertypost claiming that Edison was Mexican, so I had to look it up and sure enough, it’s a Mexican legend. I guess that goes right along with the legend of Aztlan.

  21. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 10:45 am:
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    “I defy them to name ONE technological or scientific advance originating from Mexico or El Salvador. They can’t do it.”

    Sure they can. They’ll just make up something.

  22. Mr. Anon said on 14 Jul 2008 at 10:46 am:
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    NO, the Mexicans were not on this soil many, many years ago. People need to stop repeating this lie. Native Americans are not Mexicans. Mexicans are a mixed race consisting of indigenous (to Mexico) native populations and Spanish immigrants. The indigenous peoples of Mexico did not live in the US, and the tribes are disparate in their cultural beliefs, views, and religious practices from Native Americans.

    The unfortunate problem is that illegals are being fed this line of BS and are starting to believe it.

  23. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:09 am:
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    “I defy them to name ONE technological or scientific advance originating from Mexico or El Salvador. They can’t do it.”

    Hmm…I think ANYONE can do it if they just do a little research. I found a lot of advances originating from Latin America. I looked around and found many references for the following Latin American contributions to the world (I left out the ones I could not find corroboration for):

    architecture which inspired Frank Lloyd Wright

    creation of the world’s first team sport

    biogenetic domestication of corn into its modern form

    astronomy style that influenced European astronomy after 1492

    antispasmodic medicine for surgery

    mandatory, universal education for both genders and all classes

    first people in the world to use the number zero as part of their mathematics system

    predated Europeans with a base 20 (vigesimal) math system

    created the latex treatment to make rubber

    I’m sure there are many more, but I would have to do more research. I am actually ashamed of myself that I haven’t taken the time up until now to educate myself about these contributions.

    I think the history of Europeans in America is very important, but I also believe that we have to face facts. European-Americans (of which I am one) are the ones who recorded it, and so it is overwhelmingly Eurocentric. It is a shame that people seem to imply that their culture or ethnicity is better, simply because you can read more about it in reference material.

  24. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:16 am:
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    “first people in the world to use the number zero as part of their mathematics system”

    Since when is India or ancient Babylon part of Latin America[1]?

    [1]http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/59074.html[2]

    [2]See, I have no problem citing my sources.[3]

    [3]It’s fun.[4]

    [4]Easy too.

  25. CityResident said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:19 am:
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    The goofiness at antibvbl.net continues. In their latest thread they make it sound like the resolution caused crime statistics to go up. Go over there to have a good laugh at how they arrived at this conclusion!

  26. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:36 am:
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    The Mayans did not invent zero until 350AD–650 years after the Babylonians invented it in 300BC. [1]

    [1] http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/008821.html

  27. Lefty said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:39 am:
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    Hey, “What’s next.” Why stop the reference to Da Fat Broads? It’s pretty descriptive for people who denigrate others’ religious preferences, who caricature names, who slander fine members of the community, who support criminality, and who could obviously miss a few meals without risking malnutrition.

  28. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:49 am:
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    Anono, the tone of your post seemed a little aggressive…

    Evidence for zero being used by Mayans as a NUMBER (in use on its own) and not a PLACEHOLDER:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero#History_of_zero
    http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Mayan_mathematics.html
    http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99535.htm

    I can understand if you still don’t trust these resources. There are so many cultures who have made contributions to the history of zero, whether they used it as a placeholder or as a number on its own. I think the point is that Mayans made a valuable, independent (not derivative) contribution to mathematics. In any case, they did it WAY before Europeans did.

    Here are some other contributions I found that were a bit more modern. They are from Wikipedia, which I know isn’t always accurate. I encourage people not to simply trust me, but to look things up if they find it interesting. It’s what we all should be doing, right? I sure hope that no one is taking any of the posted topics as fact without doing their own research.

    Alejandro Corichi, Mexican physicist who contributed to the understanding of black holes

    Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena, Mexican who invented one of the first color TVs

    Luis E. Miramontes, Mexican chemist who coinvented progrestin (synthetic progestogen which can be used for oral contraception or hormone replacement therapy)

    Ignacio Martin-Baro, Salvadoran priest and philosopher whose theory of social psychology influenced studies of community psychology worldwide

  29. Diversity Gal2 said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:52 am:
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    Sorry if this is posting twice, but I tried to reply and it would not go through. I sure hope that I wasn’t blocked.

    Anono, the tone of your post seemed a little aggressive…

    Evidence for zero being used by Mayans as a NUMBER (in use on its own) and not a PLACEHOLDER:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero#History_of_zero
    http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Mayan_mathematics.html
    http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99535.htm

    I can understand if you still don’t trust these resources. There are so many cultures who have made contributions to the history of zero, whether they used it as a placeholder or as a number on its own. I think the point is that Mayans made a valuable, independent (not derivative) contribution to mathematics. In any case, they did it WAY before Europeans did.

    Here are some other contributions I found that were a bit more modern. They are from Wikipedia, which I know isn’t always accurate. I encourage people not to simply trust me, but to look things up if they find it interesting. It’s what we all should be doing, right? I sure hope that no one is taking any of the posted topics as fact without doing their own research.

    Alejandro Corichi, Mexican physicist who contributed to the understanding of black holes

    Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena, Mexican who invented one of the first color TVs

    Luis E. Miramontes, Mexican chemist who coinvented progrestin (synthetic progestogen which can be used for oral contraception or hormone replacement therapy)

    Ignacio Martin-Baro, Salvadoran priest and philosopher whose theory of social psychology influenced studies of community psychology worldwide

  30. Che' said on 14 Jul 2008 at 12:58 pm:
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    Come on anono, you are being eurocentric. Don’t actually check facts and provide references. Shame on you.

    Did DG’s list come from the NCLR website?

  31. CitizenofManassas said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:14 pm:
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    Diversity gal,

    You should turn your opinions on the illegal not that those poked holes in his email.

    Simply put, Mexico is a cess pool. Just this weekend, there was another rampage by a drug gang that killed a police chief and others. While we do have our own crime issues, it pales compared to Mexico and Central American Countries.

    And for the record, nobody is “native” to North America, Central America, or South America.

  32. Johnson said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:25 pm:
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    Who founded the United States of America? Whites. How many hispanic or african nations are as sucessful as the U.S. or Europe? Japan? China? Russia? Do the math, apologists. The rest of the world needs to rise to our level, not drag us down to theirs. Look at England, Italy, Germany and France. They’ve seen the error of their ways and are reversing the process.

  33. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:38 pm:
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    Sorry for the long delay, but I couldn’t post my response (it was blocked for some reason). Someone told me that if I split my website sources up, I may be able to get through, so that is what I am doing. Two more sources will follow in successive posts if I can manage to get them through.
    Anono, the tone of your post seemed a little teasingly aggressive, but here goes…

    Evidence for zero being used by Mayans as a NUMBER (in use on its own) and not a PLACEHOLDER:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero#History_of_zero

    I can understand if you still don’t trust these resources. There are so many cultures who have made contributions to the history of zero, whether they used it as a placeholder or as a number on its own. I think the point is that Mayans made a valuable, independent (not derivative) contribution to mathematics. In any case, they did it WAY before Europeans did.

    Here are some other contributions I found that were a bit more modern. They are from Wikipedia, which I know isn’t always accurate. I encourage people not to simply trust me, but to look things up if they find it interesting. It’s what we all should be doing, right? I sure hope that no one is taking any of the posted topics as fact without doing their own research.

    Alejandro Corichi, Mexican physicist who contributed to the understanding of black holes

    Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena, Mexican who invented one of the first color TVs

    Luis E. Miramontes, Mexican chemist who coinvented progrestin (synthetic progestogen which can be used for oral contraception or hormone replacement therapy)

    Ignacio Martin-Baro, Salvadoran priest and philosopher whose theory of social psychology influenced studies of community psychology worldwide

  34. Jae said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:44 pm:
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    I love how people expect us to respect their opinions but cannot even write it properly. Bad grammar and English when trying to put their opinions across only hurts their argument.

  35. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:46 pm:
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    Sorry for the long delay, but I couldn’t post my response (it was blocked for some reason). Someone told me that if I split my website sources up, I may be able to get through. That is what I tried next. Unfortunately, it STILL did not work. So now I forced to provide no direct links, but to just list the names of the sites. I hope it works!

    Anono, the tone of your post seemed a little teasingly aggressive, but here goes…

    Evidence for zero being used by Mayans as a NUMBER (in use on its own) and not a PLACEHOLDER:
    Wikipedia
    School of Mathematical and Computational Sciences
    University of St Andrews (a site called TURNBULL)
    Ask a Scientist from Newton BBS

    I can understand if you still don’t trust these resources. There are so many cultures who have made contributions to the history of zero, whether they used it as a placeholder or as a number on its own. I think the point is that Mayans made a valuable, independent (not derivative) contribution to mathematics. In any case, they did it WAY before Europeans did.

    Here are some other contributions I found that were a bit more modern. They are from Wikipedia, which I know isn’t always accurate. I encourage people not to simply trust me, but to look things up if they find it interesting. It’s what we all should be doing, right? I sure hope that no one is taking any of the posted topics as fact without doing their own research.

    Alejandro Corichi, Mexican physicist who contributed to the understanding of black holes

    Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena, Mexican who invented one of the first color TVs

    Luis E. Miramontes, Mexican chemist who coinvented progrestin (synthetic progestogen which can be used for oral contraception or hormone replacement therapy)

    Ignacio Martin-Baro, Salvadoran priest and philosopher whose theory of social psychology influenced studies of community psychology worldwide

  36. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:55 pm:
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    Oops, sorry for the typos!

  37. monticup said on 14 Jul 2008 at 2:18 pm:
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    I certainly would not go to wikipedia for my info. Didn’t you know wikipedia is notoriously inaccurate and easy to manipulate?

    I apologize in advance for being Eurocentric but I wonder if DG’s brilliant inventors are Spanish or indigenous peoples. My point is that hunter-gathering peasant types that find their way to our country are good mainly for low skilled labor. They rapidly outlive their usefulness and then become a burden to the US. Using humans for mindless labor is terribly inefficient economically. We need people who can design, manufacture, maintain and repair the machines to do the work. Mechanize, mechanize, mechanize.

  38. Che' said on 14 Jul 2008 at 2:42 pm:
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    Johnson, your post is racist. Whites were not the only people who can take credit for our accomplishments. The beauty of America is that it is a melting pot, and our greatest inventors, thinkers, and doers come from every nationality and race.

    The danger we face is from those who don’t want to “melt”, but prefer to come here and behave and live as if they are in their home country, oblivious to our laws and customs.

  39. Che' said on 14 Jul 2008 at 2:44 pm:
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    I feel I have a lot more in common with my African American and Asian neighbors than I do my ancestors in Germany or Ireland.

  40. Che' said on 14 Jul 2008 at 2:45 pm:
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    I don’t like using the hyphenated names, but for the purposes of the discussion I included them. We’re all Americans.

    BTW, this is the last series of serious posts you will ever see from me :)

  41. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 2:54 pm:
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    Monticup,

    That is why I said, “which I know isn’t always accurate.” I cited three sources for the information which anono challenged me on, and I hope that was somewhat sufficient. I do not pretend to believe everything I read on the internet, though. Again, I encourage you to do your own research if you find it interesting or think I am blatantly making this stuff up. I wasn’t posting anything malicious or crazy…just some instances that point out Latinos and Hispanics have made a valuable contribution to the world, in response to your prior post.

    Alejandro Corichi is a pretty modern physicist in Mexico, but I could not find a listing of his place of birth.

    Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena was born in Guadalajara, and seems to have lived in Mexico during his entire lifetime.

    Luis E. Miramontes was born in Nayarit and lived in Mexico City.

    Ignacio Martin-Baro, though a citizen of El Salvador, was born in Spain.

  42. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 3:22 pm:
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    Whether they used it as a “placeholder” or as a “number denoting nothing” is a matter of semantics when you are talking about mathematical computations.

    “Babylonian mathematicians used the separator (effectively the first zero) in the middle position only. The person doing the calculations knew what order of magnitude he was working with and didn’t add any separators at the end of his notations. However, the astronomers started using the zero placeholder in at the end and at the beginning of notations. This allowed them to note fractional degrees and minutes of arc and made their computations more accurate.”

  43. Tyler Durden said on 14 Jul 2008 at 3:49 pm:
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    Hasta la vista, Che’, mi amigo.

  44. Advocator said on 14 Jul 2008 at 3:58 pm:
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    Diversity Gal, if one of the men (I believe they were all men) you named in your previous posts would like to immigrate Prince William County, I would happily assist him.

    Unfortunately, it’s not the physicists and optomotrists who are hiding in trunks, wading through the river, or trekking across the desert to illegally enter this country. It’s people who will become a drain on this country’s resources. A drain that is borne by those of us who get up in the morning, go to work, and pay our taxes.

  45. Johnson said on 14 Jul 2008 at 4:16 pm:
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    Che’-
    Not racist, fact. How close was the last U.S. election? Does Zimbabwe ring a bell? Take the Middle East, for example. They led the world in science, math and medicine for centuries and then sank into third world despair. Many believe that Islam and the resulting Crusades were responsible. Wouldn’t be the first time that a religious war doomed a culture. Many believe that Islam and it’s interference with government and politics will be their ruination again. The Muslim nations of the world are clamoring for a Khalif, a supreme leader, like Saluhaddin, to lead them in a holy war. As soon as we get cars that run on water, the Middle east will cease to exist without oil revenue. They are fully aware of this and are bleeding us for every cent and buying up our real estate and businesses.

    And I agree with you about assimilating. We are Americans first. That is our strength and the reason we have been so successful as a nation is so short a time. Citizenship has to be earned, not stolen, to be appreciated. All we ask of our legal immigrants is respect for our laws and patience.

  46. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 4:43 pm:
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    Believe me, I understand that you are making a distinction. I do think in making this distinction, it becomes easier for people to dismiss or dehumanize others. In such language as “hunter-gathering peasant types that find their way to our country are good mainly for low skilled labor. They rapidly outlive their usefulness and then become a burden to the US,” we underestimate the intelligence of immigrants.

    Yes, there are a great many immigrants who work hard labor jobs, but there is a big difference between what they do and what they have the ability to do. Again, I get that you are frustrated by having to pay taxes for any services illegal immigrants get.

    The original post, as well as some others right after it, claimed that Latinos/Hispanics were ignorant, and challenged them to come up with a valuable scientific or technological contribution made by Mexicans or Salvadorans. Some posters began speaking about early European American inventors and founders of our country; why am I not allowed to respond to those posts with examples of other historical contributors besides Edison, Jefferson, etc?

    Interestingly enough, I found this information on Daily Kos when I was looking up famous illegal immigrants (not really on my former topic, just interesting)…

    “One person who has been publicly accused of it is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    According to the San Jose Mercury News, he effectively admitted to at least a status violation, and possibly immigration fraud, in his autobiography. Under todays law, that would make him deportable, and he could be stripped of his citizenship - obviously, the laws in the 1960s were more lenient.

    According to this report, Schwarzenegger came to the US as a business visitor (status B-1) after having arranged for a job with a promoter, and receiving a salary.”

  47. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 4:50 pm:
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    Hey Diversity Gal, do you think nobody from this site reads anti-bvbl?

  48. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 4:51 pm:
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    Diversity Gal thinks we’re hateful.

    “I have to disagree with what you say about just the posters being hateful. In looking at bvbl, there are many topics and graphics that seem to be quite hateful on his site. Plus, I find that putting awful rumors out there about the public school system in Manassas City quite malicious.”

  49. Che' said on 14 Jul 2008 at 4:55 pm:
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    I stopped being a fan of Arnold when he stopped making good movies. Deport his a$$!!

  50. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 5:06 pm:
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    Someone told me that the posters on this site were being hateful and giving it a bad reputation, not the site’s creator. Indeed, there are some who are saying some hateful (calling people nasty names, etc.) things, and some who are sticking to the arguments. As you can read, my point was to say that I didn’t like some of the things put on the site by the administrator, as well.

    I stand by what I said about some of the topics and graphics. I don’t like photoshopped pictures like that of Judy Feder, or the graphic of the devil and the truck at the top of the page. That just seems rude, and doesn’t make it so that people can have an intelligent talk about the topics. Isn’t that what some people on this blog want?

    Also, I was astounded by the topic on Manassas City Schools and their “scandal.” It was horrifying to see how quickly some people would jump to conclusions without evidence. However, I really liked that some people kept challenging the claim. Seeing that there were some people who were expressing a difference of opinion actually made me want to start posting.

    I am listening to you guys, and I hope that you are listening back.

  51. anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 5:22 pm:
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    I’m glad you’ve put your thoughts about this site here.

    I fail to see how graphics and photoshopped pictures prevent an intelligent discussion of the topic.

    Honestly, though, were I Greg, I wouldn’t waste the time on Feder. The third time won’t be the charm on that one.

  52. Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 5:41 pm:
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    I think I should be “thanking” you for putting them on for me. Even though it was but an excerpt of a conversation on a different blog, I guess it gave us the opportunity to talk about something else.

    I am personally offended by those photos and graphics, which seem to be there just to make fun and demean. Just like name-calling or offensive words, I think they can get in the way. You may not feel the same way; it is just my opinion.

  53. Dave in PWC said on 14 Jul 2008 at 7:08 pm:
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    Diversity Girl,

    You forgot the person who invented Mexican Jumping Beans

  54. Benton said on 14 Jul 2008 at 7:10 pm:
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    Well, I have learned not to believe too much of what is written here. :)

  55. Greg L said on 14 Jul 2008 at 8:35 pm:
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    Diversity Girl,

    Thanks you for telling me what offended you. I may at some time want to offend you again, and this is rather helpful to know.

    If you truly feel that you deserve an apology, please avail yourself of the automated apology interface available at the bottom of every post. It saves me a tremendous amount of time to have an on-demand feature that takes care of this for me, and I hope you’ll take advantage of it.

  56. Benton said on 14 Jul 2008 at 8:51 pm:
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    Gee, nothing BUT time, eh? LOL LOL

  57. Johnson said on 15 Jul 2008 at 12:08 pm:
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/14/AR2008071402427.html

    Why aren’t we using RICO laws to seize the assets of illegal aliens? These people know that they are criminals, yet they stay here and continue to break our laws, holding their children up as shields and using every excuse in the book. If they had any regard for their children/wives, they would realize that the battle is over and send them home. The scam is over and the lights have come on. Scurry away!

  58. Advocator said on 15 Jul 2008 at 4:34 pm:
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    And whom, Johnson, would you have indicted for a RICO violation?

  59. rebelreggie said on 15 Jul 2008 at 6:09 pm:
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    Mexican citizens seeking asylum in the U.S. from mounting drug-related violence will have to prove they are refugees in danger of persecution, a spokeswoman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service said.

    At least 63 people have sought political asylum at border crossings in the El Paso region since October, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

    The Associated Press reported the numbers, which are almost double the 33 claims made in all of last fiscal year.

    Asylum applications are also up in South Texas but remain steady in other parts of the border.

    Among those seeking asylum are police, a journalist and businesspeople.

    Anyone can file for asylum, but the burden of proof is on the applicant, said Maria Elena Upson, spokeswoman for the Citizenship and Immigration Service.

    To win asylum, refugees must prove they would be persecuted in their country because of their race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, according the agency’s Web site (www.uscis.gov).

    Some Juarez residents have moved to El Paso in recent months to avoid the plague of killings, kidnappings and robberies in that city.

    The violence trend continued Friday as another Juarez police officer was killed and his partner was wounded in a shooting.

    And soon before 10 p.m., an unidentified man shot in Mexico was brought to El Paso’s Thomason Hospital in an ambulance under police escort, according to emergency transmissions.

    Those that control the money also stuff the puppets. By Americanrefugeez

  60. rebelreggie said on 15 Jul 2008 at 6:13 pm:
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    whatever…why should we take them when they can simply move to another town in Mexico away from the border.

  61. Big Dog said on 15 Jul 2008 at 6:20 pm:
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    “Mexico is trying to stem the influx of Central American
    refugees into that country, arguing that they take jobs away
    from Mexicans and add to social pressures.
    It’s ironic that the Mexican government, which does
    nothing to discourage its own citizens from illegally
    entering the United States, now is closing its own
    southern border to illegal aliens.
    Mexican Minister Manuel Bartlee Diaz has recomended
    that visas be granted only to ‘persons who can prove
    they bring resources to the Mexican economy’. Visas
    should not be issued, he said, to persons who ‘might
    use them as a way of avoiding the social and economic
    problems they suffer in their own countries.’
    Mexico, never sympathetic to US immigration problems,
    now has problems of its own. That’s tough tamales! ”

    Manassas Journal-Messenger editorial
    July 16, 1983 (25 years ago tomorrow)

  62. Emma said on 15 Jul 2008 at 9:37 pm:
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    Amazing, Big Dog. I assume that was written by editorial staff. You should send that in to the MJM as a letter to the editor. They’ll print anything.

  63. Bl said on 16 Jul 2008 at 9:59 am:
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    What impact on the Sub-Prime loans to the invading horde of Illegal Aliens have on the defaults and housing crises that started the unraveling of the whole Economy! I expect, just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they played a big part, or at the very least, added lots of fuel to the fire.

    It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the invading Horde is costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens going out of the country needs to stay in the country to simulate the economy!

  64. Johnson said on 16 Jul 2008 at 10:55 am:
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    Advocator-
    WHOM would I prosecute? Each and every illegal alien I could round up. As soon as they cross the border illegally, almost every action that follows is a crime, from identity theft to fraud. All financial gains should be seized and used to pay back the hospitals, schools, TAXPAYERS and governments that have been paying out to non-deserving illegal aliens. Mind-boggling amount of paperwork? Absolutely. How many would we have to prosecute? Not many. As soon as word spreads that they will lose everything if they are caught, they will pack up and head home. I would love to see a state or county pass this as a resolution. Remember, the apologists said that the PWC resolutions wouldn’t work. They did. In retrospect, they weren’t even that harsh.

    Very simply, if we take away the incentives to be here, they’ll leave.

    If we can take away everything they gain while here, then they won’t come at all.

  65. snapped shot · always watching the all-seeing eye said on 16 Jul 2008 at 9:21 pm:
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    […] illegal aliens, er make that Ted Kennedy’s housekeepers. No, let’s try “those enlightened souls who built everything in America”—In which case, “La Raza” seems to mean “anything not damaging to our cause, maaan.” DOWNTOWN […]

  66. Anonymous said on 17 Jul 2008 at 12:23 am:
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    Red, White and Blue said on 13 Jul 2008 at 10:56 pm:
    Let all the history book be changed. It wasn’t Jefferson and Washinigton, it was Jose and Julio. It wasn’t Edison, Ford but Juan and Roberto. Generlisimo Electricia, EBM, and Boeing Aero are all really mexicanto.

    Don’t forget the the most famous one - Manual Labor! :)

  67. Anonymous said on 17 Jul 2008 at 12:31 am:
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    Dave in PWC said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:25 pm:
    Keep up the good fight, you and HSM are making a difference, my neighborhood is coming back, people are walking around at night after dinner visiting with other neighbors out walking. No more flophouses that I can see.

    Unfortunately there are still some around. A house up the street from Colgan’s old place had 9 vehicles parked in the yard, on the massive driveway that covers the front lawn and on the street last weekend.

  68. Dave in PWC said on 17 Jul 2008 at 6:32 am:
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    Anonymous,

    Time to get zoning involved then. Send them an online complaint, have your neighbors do the same thing a day or two later.

  69. Anonymous said on 18 Jul 2008 at 12:21 am:
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    Dave in PWC said on 17 Jul 2008 at 6:32 am:
    Anonymous,

    Time to get zoning involved then. Send them an online complaint, have your neighbors do the same thing a day or two later.

    They were informed some time ago and I understand the owner (Hispanic) was brought to court. Results of court hearing is unknown but the situation remains the same on the property. Have been told it is a flop house for Guatamalans.

  70. rebelreggie said on 19 Jul 2008 at 8:08 am:
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    Draw your own conclusions.

    HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?

    This is the most interesting thing I’ve read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

    I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.

    How Long Do We Have?

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.”

    “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”

    “>From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years”

    “During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

    2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

    3. from courage to liberty;

    4. from liberty to abundance;

    5. from abundance to complacency;

    6. from complacency to apathy;

    7. from apathy to dependence;

    8. from dependence back into bondage”

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

    Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

    Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…” Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

    WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
    ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE

  71. Anonymous said on 20 Jul 2008 at 11:25 am:
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    Anonymous said on 18 Jul 2008 at 12:21 am:
    Dave in PWC said on 17 Jul 2008 at 6:32 am:
    Anonymous,

    Time to get zoning involved then. Send them an online complaint, have your neighbors do the same thing a day or two later.

    They were informed some time ago and I understand the owner (Hispanic) was brought to court. Results of court hearing is unknown but the situation remains the same on the property. Have been told it is a flop house for Guatamalans.

    Went by that flop house this morning and it is now empty and NO cars on the property. Perhaps that criminal inditement against the owner worked. One less flop house in Westgate.

  72. Anonymous said on 20 Jul 2008 at 11:27 am:
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    Anonymous said on 17 Jul 2008 at 12:31 am:
    Dave in PWC said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:25 pm:
    Keep up the good fight, you and HSM are making a difference, my neighborhood is coming back, people are walking around at night after dinner visiting with other neighbors out walking. No more flophouses that I can see.

    Unfortunately there are still some around. A house up the street from Colgan’s old place had 9 vehicles parked in the yard, on the massive driveway that covers the front lawn and on the street last weekend.

    The above cited flop house has been vacated!

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