Comments on: Manassas Park Harasses Another Resident http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Thu, 24 May 2012 04:44:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: bonscott1976 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-73661 bonscott1976 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:14:37 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-73661 Sorry to be a little late getting in on this, but as a citizen in Manassas park (what I affectionately call The A-hole of Prince William County) I totally agree with Mr. Everhard. I think the man was wholly wronged by the police. And I think he should do everything within his power to prosecute the MPPD, the City and the County. If what he says was true, if the gun was holstered . . .then it stands to reason THERE WAS NO "BRANDISHING". As far as I know, I thought brandishing meant when you take it out in a threathening manner and wave it around for everyone to see (more or less). Letting someone know you have a fiearm on your person by pointing to it does nothing. And from what I read . . ."affecting my illegal alien neighbor" . . .WHAT THE HELL !?!?!? . . .If the neighbor was illegal, he/she should've been picked up right then and there and hauled off to the hoosegow ! ! ! . . But no, that would be to easy ! ! ! . . .Provided that the man/woman making the false claim was in fact illegal of course. But still . . . Whenever I've had to call them over the years about many multitudes of things, they've done what I've expected of them, otherwise I would say something to them. Sometimes they got out of their cruisers and talked to the people I called them on, sometimes they didn't (which bothers me a little). My MS-13 gang member neighbors several years ago didn't like my girlfriend and I . . .lolol . . .who gives a damn right? It also helps to have a woman who works for the Deppartment of State, and who has friends in the F.B.I., I.C.E. and other agencies who shall obviously remain nameless. . .*wink wink* She actually did a little digging into these people and found out that the man who owned the house, owned several more in Vienna and Fairfax (crash-pads I call them) and had problems with the law, banks and mortgage companies for failing to comply and pay bills/dues what have you. needless to say, after she did all this work, three weeks later a green Ford F-150 (North Carolina plates i might add) truck backs up to the house, loads up everything from the house and move into a house about 8-9 houses down. It took them 3 loads to move completely out of the house ! ! ! i have it all on videotape ! ! ! . . .Hmmm, seems like they have this thing down to a science doesn't it? These people, not all of them mind you, are totally prepared to move on a moments notice. because of their "questionable legal status". I firmly believe this and would love for someone to prove me wrong given the state of things around here. i also believe that that is why some of them go to the laundromats around town to do their clothes. so they can like i said before up and go in a split second. either that, or they are just frugal with their money in that respect. by the way, the MS-13 gang members who lived next door (about 3 years ago) had four illegal aliens not to mention the 6 of them living in the basement. i know this because my new neighbor (awesome family by the way and LEGAL) found drivers licenses, adresses and social security cards in the basement when he moved in. stashed away in one of the little cubby holes they used to live in. hence, those people were illegal, otherwise why would they leave their cards and things ? ? ? after the move into the house down the way, 2 weeks later they leave the "hood" finally. and i wake up to go to work one morning to find a huge rock thrown through the rear window of my car. i know they did it. in my heart of hearts i know they did it. and if i ever see those people again, i will give it back to them . . .personally. Sorry to be a little late getting in on this, but as a citizen in Manassas park (what I affectionately call The A-hole of Prince William County) I totally agree with Mr. Everhard. I think the man was wholly wronged by the police. And I think he should do everything within his power to prosecute the MPPD, the City and the County.

If what he says was true, if the gun was holstered . . .then it stands to reason THERE WAS NO “BRANDISHING”. As far as I know, I thought brandishing meant when you take it out in a threathening manner and wave it around for everyone to see (more or less). Letting someone know you have a fiearm on your person by pointing to it does nothing.

And from what I read . . .”affecting my illegal alien neighbor” . . .WHAT THE HELL !?!?!? . . .If the neighbor was illegal, he/she should’ve been picked up right then and there and hauled off to the hoosegow ! ! ! . . But no, that would be to easy ! ! ! . . .Provided that the man/woman making the false claim was in fact illegal of course.

But still . . .

Whenever I’ve had to call them over the years about many multitudes of things, they’ve done what I’ve expected of them, otherwise I would say something to them. Sometimes they got out of their cruisers and talked to the people I called them on, sometimes they didn’t (which bothers me a little). My MS-13 gang member neighbors several years ago didn’t like my girlfriend and I . . .lolol . . .who gives a damn right?

It also helps to have a woman who works for the Deppartment of State, and who has friends in the F.B.I., I.C.E. and other agencies who shall obviously remain nameless. . .*wink wink*

She actually did a little digging into these people and found out that the man who owned the house, owned several more in Vienna and Fairfax (crash-pads I call them) and had problems with the law, banks and mortgage companies for failing to comply and pay bills/dues what have you. needless to say, after she did all this work, three weeks later a green Ford F-150 (North Carolina plates i might add) truck backs up to the house, loads up everything from the house and move into a house about 8-9 houses down. It took them 3 loads to move completely out of the house ! ! ! i have it all on videotape ! ! ! . . .Hmmm, seems like they have this thing down to a science doesn’t it? These people, not all of them mind you, are totally prepared to move on a moments notice. because of their “questionable legal status”. I firmly believe this and would love for someone to prove me wrong given the state of things around here. i also believe that that is why some of them go to the laundromats around town to do their clothes. so they can like i said before up and go in a split second. either that, or they are just frugal with their money in that respect.

by the way, the MS-13 gang members who lived next door (about 3 years ago) had four illegal aliens not to mention the 6 of them living in the basement. i know this because my new neighbor (awesome family by the way and LEGAL) found drivers licenses, adresses and social security cards in the basement when he moved in. stashed away in one of the little cubby holes they used to live in. hence, those people were illegal, otherwise why would they leave their cards and things ? ? ?

after the move into the house down the way, 2 weeks later they leave the “hood” finally. and i wake up to go to work one morning to find a huge rock thrown through the rear window of my car. i know they did it. in my heart of hearts i know they did it.

and if i ever see those people again, i will give it back to them . . .personally.

]]> By: myownopinion http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71441 myownopinion Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:11:12 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71441 I'm not saying that the mere carrying of a firearm or "open carry" bothers me or is against the law. What I am saying is that if your have your firearm in a holster and you some how bring it to my attention either by pointing to it, put your hand on it, remove it from the holster and it puts a reasonable person in fear for thier safety then that consitutes a BRANDISHING. I’m not saying that the mere carrying of a firearm or “open carry” bothers me or is against the law. What I am saying is that if your have your firearm in a holster and you some how bring it to my attention either by pointing to it, put your hand on it, remove it from the holster and it puts a reasonable person in fear for thier safety then that consitutes a BRANDISHING.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71379 Anonymous Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:26:07 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71379 [quote]# myownopinion said on 29 Jul 2008 at 10:03 pm: It doesnt matter if it was in the holster or not….if you have your gun in your holster and you display, bring it to my attention, point at it, or put your hand on it as if your going to pull it. and put me “in reasonable fear”……THAT IS BRANDISHING A FIREARM. [/quote] I'm sorry that you feel so afraid of a tool that has been used for personal defense for so long. If the fact that it is displayed on someone's side worries you (open carry), then you have problems. Time to get over your ostrich syndrome (I don't see it, it's not going to hurt me). There is an element that is required to be brandishing, and that is a threatening act! This is referenced only be your last referenced action. Feeling threatened by the presence of a gun does have it's own name hopolophobia. You might want to consider treatment. Tools of self defense are not going away! They started with the club and stone and have evolved to the modern firearm. There is still a whole gambit of other choices. I have a friend that actually keeps a sword in his home for self defense because he is trained in its use. [quote]# myownopinion said on 29 Jul 2008 at 10:03 pm:

It doesnt matter if it was in the holster or not….if you have your gun in your holster and you display, bring it to my attention, point at it, or put your hand on it as if your going to pull it. and put me “in reasonable fear”……THAT IS BRANDISHING A FIREARM.
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I’m sorry that you feel so afraid of a tool that has been used for personal defense for so long. If the fact that it is displayed on someone’s side worries you (open carry), then you have problems. Time to get over your ostrich syndrome (I don’t see it, it’s not going to hurt me). There is an element that is required to be brandishing, and that is a threatening act! This is referenced only be your last referenced action. Feeling threatened by the presence of a gun does have it’s own name hopolophobia. You might want to consider treatment.

Tools of self defense are not going away! They started with the club and stone and have evolved to the modern firearm. There is still a whole gambit of other choices. I have a friend that actually keeps a sword in his home for self defense because he is trained in its use.

]]> By: myownopinion http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71360 myownopinion Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:07:33 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71360 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty. A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. B. Any police officer in the performance of his duty, in making an arrest under the provisions of this section, shall not be civilly liable in damages for injuries or death resulting to the person being arrested if he had reason to believe that the person being arrested was pointing, holding, or brandishing such firearm or air or gas operated weapon, or object that was similar in appearance, with intent to induce fear in the mind of another. C. For purposes of this section, the word "firearm" means any weapon that will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel single or multiple projectiles by the action of an explosion of a combustible material. The word "ammunition," as used herein, shall mean a cartridge, pellet, ball, missile or projectile adapted for use in a firearm. (Code 1950, § 18.1-69.2; 1968, c. 513; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1990, cc. 588, 599; 1992, c. 735; 2003, c. 976; 2005, c. 928.) 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

B. Any police officer in the performance of his duty, in making an arrest under the provisions of this section, shall not be civilly liable in damages for injuries or death resulting to the person being arrested if he had reason to believe that the person being arrested was pointing, holding, or brandishing such firearm or air or gas operated weapon, or object that was similar in appearance, with intent to induce fear in the mind of another.

C. For purposes of this section, the word “firearm” means any weapon that will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel single or multiple projectiles by the action of an explosion of a combustible material. The word “ammunition,” as used herein, shall mean a cartridge, pellet, ball, missile or projectile adapted for use in a firearm.

(Code 1950, § 18.1-69.2; 1968, c. 513; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1990, cc. 588, 599; 1992, c. 735; 2003, c. 976; 2005, c. 928.)

]]> By: myownopinion http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71359 myownopinion Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:03:41 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71359 It doesnt matter if it was in the holster or not....if you have your gun in your holster and you display, bring it to my attention, point at it, or put your hand on it as if your going to pull it. and put me "in reasonable fear"......THAT IS BRANDISHING A FIREARM. It doesnt matter if it was in the holster or not….if you have your gun in your holster and you display, bring it to my attention, point at it, or put your hand on it as if your going to pull it. and put me “in reasonable fear”……THAT IS BRANDISHING A FIREARM.

]]> By: former COM employee http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71071 former COM employee Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:27:15 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71071 Mr. Smalls, I am not quite sure how you figure that my comment is contradictary. While I am not a college educated individual, I consider myself an individual with a lot of common sense. That statement does not say in any way that I think people who open carry are intimidating. It clearly says it may seem intimidating to a neighbor that Anonymous feels is a good neighbor. In fact, I clearly say Isupport the right to bear arms. Maybe you need to read slower and comprhend everything you read. Anonymous, your 8:14 comment which statrted this conversation was meant to seem that a picnic at your residence with your friends open carrying would surely be intimidating to any neighbor who causes you trouble. You can deny it all you want, but that is what you meant. I only accepted you explanation so that cooler heads could prevail. mnd, I will say it again and stand behind it, your comment concerning police officers open carrying and comparing it to an ordinary citizen open carrying was just a plain stupid comparison. So yes, I stand behind my childish name calling because you are an idiot. I don't need a thesaurus because the idiot comment fits well, and those weren't the only adjectives I used, I also used dumba$$. So to recap, I did not contradict myself, I do not feel as if people open carry they are intimidating or that they are trying to be intimidating. However, having a picnic with your friends open carrying simply to intimidate or scare a neighbor who called the police on you under false pretenses is no better than him. Mr. Smalls,
I am not quite sure how you figure that my comment is contradictary. While I am not a college educated individual, I consider myself an individual with a lot of common sense. That statement does not say in any way that I think people who open carry are intimidating. It clearly says it may seem intimidating to a neighbor that Anonymous feels is a good neighbor. In fact, I clearly say Isupport the right to bear arms. Maybe you need to read slower and comprhend everything you read. Anonymous, your 8:14 comment which statrted this conversation was meant to seem that a picnic at your residence with your friends open carrying would surely be intimidating to any neighbor who causes you trouble. You can deny it all you want, but that is what you meant. I only accepted you explanation so that cooler heads could prevail. mnd, I will say it again and stand behind it, your comment concerning police officers open carrying and comparing it to an ordinary citizen open carrying was just a plain stupid comparison. So yes, I stand behind my childish name calling because you are an idiot. I don’t need a thesaurus because the idiot comment fits well, and those weren’t the only adjectives I used, I also used dumba$$. So to recap, I did not contradict myself, I do not feel as if people open carry they are intimidating or that they are trying to be intimidating. However, having a picnic with your friends open carrying simply to intimidate or scare a neighbor who called the police on you under false pretenses is no better than him.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71047 Anonymous Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:15:16 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71047 Rob Smalls said on 24 Jul 2008 at 8:30 am: Former COM Employee - mnd has the better of this argument. You contradicted yourself in the space of two sentences. From your last post: Former COM Employee only has two adjectives in his vocabulary -- STUPID AND IDIOT. Try a thesaurus once in a while. Rob Smalls said on 24 Jul 2008 at 8:30 am:
Former COM Employee -

mnd has the better of this argument. You contradicted yourself in the space of two sentences. From your last post:

Former COM Employee only has two adjectives in his vocabulary — STUPID AND IDIOT. Try a thesaurus once in a while.

]]> By: Rob Smalls http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71037 Rob Smalls Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:30:28 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71037 Former COM Employee - mnd has the better of this argument. You contradicted yourself in the space of two sentences. From your last post: "Nowhere did I claim that open carrying is intimidating. I said that having a picnic with a bunch of friends may seem intimidating to neighbors you may be friends with." It's not just a picnic that you branded as intimidating, but rather the fact that it's a venue that people would be exercising open-carry rights. If you really do mean that "having a picnic with a bunch of friends" is an exercise in intimidation, perhaps you should tread more carefully before branding someone else's ideas as "idiotic". Your penchant for namecalling doesn't help your case either. Ad hominem doesn't further the debate, now matter how strenuously you disagree with someone's point. Former COM Employee -

mnd has the better of this argument. You contradicted yourself in the space of two sentences. From your last post:

“Nowhere did I claim that open carrying is intimidating. I said that having a picnic with a bunch of friends may seem intimidating to neighbors you may be friends with.”

It’s not just a picnic that you branded as intimidating, but rather the fact that it’s a venue that people would be exercising open-carry rights. If you really do mean that “having a picnic with a bunch of friends” is an exercise in intimidation, perhaps you should tread more carefully before branding someone else’s ideas as “idiotic”.

Your penchant for namecalling doesn’t help your case either. Ad hominem doesn’t further the debate, now matter how strenuously you disagree with someone’s point.

]]> By: former COM employee http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71019 former COM employee Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:13:31 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-71019 mnd, you are still an idiot. Just now you are an even bigger idiot. Nowhere did I claim that open carrying is intimidating. I said that having a picnic with a bunch of friends may seem intimidating to neighbors you may be friends with. I also said that having such a picnic simply to intimidate a certain neighbor may be childish and may cause troubles with neighbors that you get along with. Anonymous responded back with a LOGICAL and SINCERE response, unlike your idioticc response,which I accepted. You however, claim police officers wearing their sidearms may be intimidating. I hope they are. I would also hope that any private citizen who is wearing a sidearm is intimidating to a criminal. I just don't think it is the wise thing to upset well meaning neighbors. You respond with some dumba$$ comment about police officers being intimidating not making any logical sense at all. My responses made clear logical sense as anonymous was able to provide a logical reponse which I understood. You on the other hand come back with a response that I am not quite sure what you are trying to prove and make claims of written quotes from me that if you took the time to read can clearly see I never wrote. mnd, you are still an idiot. Just now you are an even bigger idiot. Nowhere did I claim that open carrying is intimidating. I said that having a picnic with a bunch of friends may seem intimidating to neighbors you may be friends with. I also said that having such a picnic simply to intimidate a certain neighbor may be childish and may cause troubles with neighbors that you get along with. Anonymous responded back with a LOGICAL and SINCERE response, unlike your idioticc response,which I accepted. You however, claim police officers wearing their sidearms may be intimidating. I hope they are. I would also hope that any private citizen who is wearing a sidearm is intimidating to a criminal. I just don’t think it is the wise thing to upset well meaning neighbors. You respond with some dumba$$ comment about police officers being intimidating not making any logical sense at all. My responses made clear logical sense as anonymous was able to provide a logical reponse which I understood. You on the other hand come back with a response that I am not quite sure what you are trying to prove and make claims of written quotes from me that if you took the time to read can clearly see I never wrote.

]]> By: mnd http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70967 mnd Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:37:02 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70967 former COM employee, Please. You went off on a point that you had no logical basis to support and got called on it. You can't claim that open carry is in any way "intimidating" and not have it apply to police officers as well. former COM employee,

Please.

You went off on a point that you had no logical basis to support and got called on it. You can’t claim that open carry is in any way “intimidating” and not have it apply to police officers as well.

]]> By: former COM employee http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70950 former COM employee Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:23:21 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70950 Anonymous I accept and believe your explanation. I just wish other people on here could hold a decent conversation and lay off the sarcastic remarks like mnd's comment at 9:33. Comments like that do not further any point to the conversation. Anonymous I accept and believe your explanation. I just wish other people on here could hold a decent conversation and lay off the sarcastic remarks like mnd’s comment at 9:33. Comments like that do not further any point to the conversation.

]]> By: Rob Smalls http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70924 Rob Smalls Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:58:18 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70924 Anonymous on 22 Jul 2008 at 7:58 am: Excellent reply, and good points all the way around. If you do set up (or hear word of) an open carry picnic, please put me on your guest list. robsmalls@yahoo.com Anonymous on 22 Jul 2008 at 7:58 am:

Excellent reply, and good points all the way around. If you do set up (or hear word of) an open carry picnic, please put me on your guest list.

robsmalls@yahoo.com

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70918 Anonymous Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:58:04 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70918 former COM, as the person who originally posted about a picnic (8:14), I can say that the picnic was not meant to be intimidating gesture. It was supposed to be a show of support! It would also be an excuse for those of us who do actively open carry to meet some more of our local neighbors. The fact that the neighbor called to police, that is just a childish act and looking to use a tool to get someone in trouble when they are too cowardly to actually use calm discussion to settle the issues. Holding a picnic will show the MPPD that there is a lot of strength and support for individual rights in this area and abuses of perceived power do not go without notice. Most people who are even mildly active in 2nd amendment preservation and have taken the time required to be prepared to defend themselves and their families do find it insulting that you believe we carry a tool of defense just to get our way. There is nothing farther from the truth! If you actually open your eyes and look around, there are many people who take their rights seriously. Just because you may be afraid of upstanding citizens, doesn't mean everyone is. Open carry or concealed carry, they are around you. The people who carry legally are among the most law abiding demographic in many studies. They understand that if they screw up, it will hurt them and their families for LIFE! The police however should know better than to treat everyone as a criminal! Most of the people the come in contact with have placed calls for service. I would hope that after the issue last year in Manassas, that the officers would be aware the trampling ones rights just because he has a sidearm will not be tolerated. The police chief newsletter has even addressed this issue several times as it is becoming more common for people to take their own defense seriously. Open your eyes!! former COM, as the person who originally posted about a picnic (8:14), I can say that the picnic was not meant to be intimidating gesture. It was supposed to be a show of support! It would also be an excuse for those of us who do actively open carry to meet some more of our local neighbors.

The fact that the neighbor called to police, that is just a childish act and looking to use a tool to get someone in trouble when they are too cowardly to actually use calm discussion to settle the issues. Holding a picnic will show the MPPD that there is a lot of strength and support for individual rights in this area and abuses of perceived power do not go without notice.

Most people who are even mildly active in 2nd amendment preservation and have taken the time required to be prepared to defend themselves and their families do find it insulting that you believe we carry a tool of defense just to get our way. There is nothing farther from the truth! If you actually open your eyes and look around, there are many people who take their rights seriously. Just because you may be afraid of upstanding citizens, doesn’t mean everyone is. Open carry or concealed carry, they are around you. The people who carry legally are among the most law abiding demographic in many studies. They understand that if they screw up, it will hurt them and their families for LIFE!

The police however should know better than to treat everyone as a criminal! Most of the people the come in contact with have placed calls for service. I would hope that after the issue last year in Manassas, that the officers would be aware the trampling ones rights just because he has a sidearm will not be tolerated. The police chief newsletter has even addressed this issue several times as it is becoming more common for people to take their own defense seriously.

Open your eyes!!

]]> By: Red, White and Blue http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70912 Red, White and Blue Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:23:23 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70912 This person has the RIGHT to bear his (or her) firearm, open carry, with or without permit in the State of Virginia - cutting his grass, walking his dog, going to the bank, mall or just walking around. Crime does not contact you before it happens and if you get the VCDL letters and the NRA magazines, the Armed Citizen, it is clear criminals attack in all places, at all times and in all manners. The issue is the police. Yes, John Evans will certainly listen to you and is a very good man. However, I can provide a wonder video available on the internet by a former defense attorney and now, professor of law, to NEVER talk to the police on ANY matter that could cause to be a suspect or lead to your arrest - NEVER. The following video is from a police detective from Virginia Beach who states clearly, that the Professor is "completely correct" (never talk to the police without your attorney). Since the person has, I strongly encourage a talk with Chief (Evans) first. If not satisfied, contact and join the VCDL for followup. The Tony's Pizza incident of last year as well as some others put the rights of citizens in the forefront against over zealous police. I carry a gun everywhere that is legal. When I travel, Mr. Colt goes with me. When I cut my grass, walk my dog or just chat with my neighbors, I am armed, either open or concealed. It is clear that the neighbor is using OUR system against us and we good Americans need to support all of our freedoms and the right of good people to exercise them. If the police were over bearing, the Chief needs to know NOW. And I encourage continue open carry at will without fear of the neighbor and his calls. Since no charges were preferred, it is clear that none were warranted and no laws broken. The police need to support the oath they take to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and NOT tell people how and when it applies because they don't like something. Don't let the neighbors win on a NON-issue! Don't let others opinions on how and when to carry discourage a legal gun owner either. Finally, don't talk to the police! Here is the 2 post. It maybe the best advice ever given. It is VERY important to see the 2nd video as well - compelling! Copy and paste. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912 This person has the RIGHT to bear his (or her) firearm, open carry, with or without permit in the State of Virginia - cutting his grass, walking his dog, going to the bank, mall or just walking around. Crime does not contact you before it happens and if you get the VCDL letters and the NRA magazines, the Armed Citizen, it is clear criminals attack in all places, at all times and in all manners.
The issue is the police. Yes, John Evans will certainly listen to you and is a very good man. However, I can provide a wonder video available on the internet by a former defense attorney and now, professor of law, to NEVER talk to the police on ANY matter that could cause to be a suspect or lead to your arrest - NEVER. The following video is from a police detective from Virginia Beach who states clearly, that the Professor is “completely correct” (never talk to the police without your attorney).
Since the person has, I strongly encourage a talk with Chief (Evans) first. If not satisfied, contact and join the VCDL for followup. The Tony’s Pizza incident of last year as well as some others put the rights of citizens in the forefront against over zealous police.
I carry a gun everywhere that is legal. When I travel, Mr. Colt goes with me. When I cut my grass, walk my dog or just chat with my neighbors, I am armed, either open or concealed.
It is clear that the neighbor is using OUR system against us and we good Americans need to support all of our freedoms and the right of good people to exercise them.
If the police were over bearing, the Chief needs to know NOW. And I encourage continue open carry at will without fear of the neighbor and his calls. Since no charges were preferred, it is clear that none were warranted and no laws broken. The police need to support the oath they take to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and NOT tell people how and when it applies because they don’t like something.
Don’t let the neighbors win on a NON-issue! Don’t let others opinions on how and when to carry discourage a legal gun owner either.
Finally, don’t talk to the police! Here is the 2 post. It maybe the best advice ever given. It is VERY important to see the 2nd video as well - compelling! Copy and paste.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912

]]> By: former COM employee http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70910 former COM employee Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:13:40 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70910 Just a couple of observations 1. almost everone on here is assumming the neighbor is illegal, how does anyone know that to be the case. 2. Mr. Everhard puts in quotes a statement allegedly made by MPPD "disturbed my illegal immigrant neighbor." If the MPPD made such a statement then they should be punished for that comment. 3. I only pointed out rumors that were being portrayed as facts. I only insulted one person, mnd, because his/her 9:33 post was just a stupid attempt at sarcasm that served no purpose at all. 4. mnd, not sure what the heck your 11:42 comment is about. Please read the posts and maybe you will figure out what I was talking about in my 9:44 post. 5. I apologize if I upset anyone else, I was only trying to point out that no one on here really knows what happened that night and we all know how stories can be changed, interpretted (sp?), and jsut plain made up in the heat of the moment. Just a couple of observations 1. almost everone on here is assumming the neighbor is illegal, how does anyone know that to be the case. 2. Mr. Everhard puts in quotes a statement allegedly made by MPPD “disturbed my illegal immigrant neighbor.” If the MPPD made such a statement then they should be punished for that comment. 3. I only pointed out rumors that were being portrayed as facts. I only insulted one person, mnd, because his/her 9:33 post was just a stupid attempt at sarcasm that served no purpose at all. 4. mnd, not sure what the heck your 11:42 comment is about. Please read the posts and maybe you will figure out what I was talking about in my 9:44 post. 5. I apologize if I upset anyone else, I was only trying to point out that no one on here really knows what happened that night and we all know how stories can be changed, interpretted (sp?), and jsut plain made up in the heat of the moment.

]]> By: es_la_ley http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70899 es_la_ley Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:26:17 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70899 I'm curious if he got his firearm back. Always keep a spare (or two). :-) I’m curious if he got his firearm back.

Always keep a spare (or two). :-)

]]> By: Johnson http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70890 Johnson Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:39:24 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70890 The last time I took a brandishing case to court, the Judge wanted to know if the firearm was displayed or pointed. Pointed it was, and the guy was convicted. Sounds as if the illegal alien thinks he's getting back at the gringo for some slight, real or imagined. I hope that the city will respond as quickly when the illegal takes his next revenge, such as vandalism. The last time I took a brandishing case to court, the Judge wanted to know if the firearm was displayed or pointed. Pointed it was, and the guy was convicted. Sounds as if the illegal alien thinks he’s getting back at the gringo for some slight, real or imagined. I hope that the city will respond as quickly when the illegal takes his next revenge, such as vandalism.

]]> By: monticup http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70853 monticup Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:27:41 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70853 The question is: Why are cops saying, "how high?" when an illegal alien says, "jump!"? I agree with anon. Mr Everhard needs to hire a lawyer and play hardball. The question is: Why are cops saying, “how high?” when an illegal alien says, “jump!”? I agree with anon. Mr Everhard needs to hire a lawyer and play hardball.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70838 Anonymous Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:57:01 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70838 A lawyer is in order for Mr. Everhard and he should charge his neighbor for filing a false police report and report the alleged badgering by the MPPD to the MP Chief and VA State Police for an investigation. Every citizen has a right to speak and to not be intiminated by three police officers which according to Mr. Everhard's statement, they were attempting to do. A lawyer is in order for Mr. Everhard and he should charge his neighbor for filing a false police report and report the alleged badgering by the MPPD to the MP Chief and VA State Police for an investigation. Every citizen has a right to speak and to not be intiminated by three police officers which according to Mr. Everhard’s statement, they were attempting to do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70836 Anonymous Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:33:55 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/20/manassas-park-harasses-another-resident/#comment-70836 former COM employee said on 20 Jul 2008 at 8:21 pm: Anonymous 8:14, while I wholly support the right to bear arms and would even fight to the death to defend that right if asked, don’t you think having a picnic full of people open carrying just to upset your neighbors is a little childish? That sounds like a great way to make friends with your neighbors. Remember, even the best neighbor, who you get a long with, may not respect your right to bear arms in such an intimidating manner. Go back to bed! former COM employee said on 20 Jul 2008 at 8:21 pm:
Anonymous 8:14, while I wholly support the right to bear arms and would even fight to the death to defend that right if asked, don’t you think having a picnic full of people open carrying just to upset your neighbors is a little childish? That sounds like a great way to make friends with your neighbors. Remember, even the best neighbor, who you get a long with, may not respect your right to bear arms in such an intimidating manner.

Go back to bed!

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