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Victims The Washington Post Cares Nothing For

By Greg L | 23 July 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics, Crime | 75 Comments

A company employs an illegal alien who then kills two people in South Richmond in an automobile accident using a company vehicle.  In addition to criminal charges against the illegal alien, the estate of the victims have filed a lawsuit against the company that was unlawfully employing the illegal alien.  Hopefully stories like this will help discourage employers from flouting our laws in order to make a buck when the costs of doing so can potentially run into the millions of dollars.

From the Times-Dispatch:

An illegal immigrant charged with killing two people in a South Richmond car crash now faces a $2.3 million wrongful-death suit filed by the family of one of the victims.

The administrators of the estate of Kathryn L. Jones, who was fatally injured in the May 24 wreck, also has named as a defendant the construction company for which Carmen Alejandro Garcia-Hernandez was employed.

Garcia-Hernandez was driving a pickup truck registered to R.J. Biringer Construction Co. Inc., whose owner, Ronald J. Biringer, is under federal indictment for transporting illegal immigrants.

Richmond police allege that Garcia-Hernandez was driving the truck when it ran off Snead Road and hit a parked car that spun around and fatally injured two people standing next to it, Jones, 44, and Joseph Owens, 40, of Alberta in Brunswick County.

Thanks to the quick reaction of several witnesses we have the opportunity to hold this illegal alien responsible for the carnage he caused.  For some reason, this little vignette sounds awfully familiar:

After the crash, police said Garcia-Hernandez, 28, tried to flee the scene on foot, but witnesses detained him until officers arrived. He was indicted June 9 on two counts of aggravated involuntary manslaughter, driving while intoxicated and felony hit-and-run driving.

According to the lawsuit, Garcia-Hernandez had a blood-alcohol level of 0.15, nearly twice the legal limit of 0.08.

While the Washington Post once again bemoans that Prince William County is actually doing something to confront this kind of problem, other localities in Virginia continue to keep their heads buried in the sand, hoping these occurrences don’t happen in their jurisdictions.  Unfortunately, they all too frequently do happen, and in places we might not often expect.

As of July 1st, a new law requires that all jails in Virginia start checking the immigration status of all persons they detain.  How many localities are actually complying with this law isn’t known, but no locality in Virginia seems to be talking about how they intend to comply with this law, much less announcing that they are.  If they actually do, chances are that habitual offenders as I suspect Mr. Garcia-Hernandez would be if he’s following the familiar pattern of illegal alien behavior we see so often would be getting caught and deported prior to killing more Virginia residents in alcohol-fueled fatal accidents.  Instead it’s the families of the victims that are struggling to ensure that those who facilitate unlawful behavior are held to account.

Yet the Washington Post would rather report on dead victims rather than see anything done about rampant lawbreaking.  The family of the late Kathryn Jones is left to try to pick up the pieces and obtain justice on their own (and at their own expense) in the meantime.  While the Post goes into overtime to defend those who break the law, the victims are left to fight for justice, alone.


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  1. Arlington Minority said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:32 am:
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    It makes one wonder whether a class-action suit could be brought by a group of victims’ relatives against known large employers of such illegal workers, including perhaps my own County Government.

  2. DiversityGal said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:51 am:
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    I think that what happened to this woman and her family is horrible. I hope that they will pursue justice. Drunk driving causes so many needless injuries and deaths; it caused the death of two childhood friends, and the daughter of someone I worked with in the past. I would like to see more coverage of drunk driving incidents on this site, no matter what the citizenship status of the perpetrator is.

  3. Ducky said on 23 Jul 2008 at 1:27 am:
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    Mr. Biringer should be held liable for the actions of his employee who was driving his company’s vehicle intoxicated, according to the article. The fact that the driver was illegally employed has little relevence in that respect.

  4. Ducky said on 23 Jul 2008 at 1:32 am:
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    I would also add that this case is a good example of why we desperately need comprehensive immigration reform. If Mr. Hernandez was a repeat offender, as Greg says, then he would not have been eligible for a guest worker visa under the McCain plan proposed last year, and Mr. Biringer could not have legally employed him.

  5. Junes_Reston said on 23 Jul 2008 at 5:43 am:
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    Actually, it may encourage employers to hire illegal aliens if they are treated as Biringer was.

    His employer, Ronald Biringer, was indicted March 19 by a federal grand jury in Richmond on a single count of transporting illegal immigrants to Fort Lee. He was arrested a day later and released on bond.

    He had been scheduled to stand trial Thursday in U.S. District Court, but his case apparently has been put on hold indefinitely. Several court officials and Biringer’s attorney say the case is now under seal. They all declined to elaborate.

    The case has disappeared from the federal court docket. Documents related to Biringer’s indictment, originally posted on the federal judiciary’s official Web site, have been expunged completely.

    “I was really perplexed as to why the federal record was sealed,” said Cuthbert, who also was rebuffed by court officials. “I cannot imagine that this case implicates national security in any way.

    The lawsuit suggests that Garcia-Hernandez had permission to drive the Biringer company truck at the time of the crash.

    “At all relevant times,” the suit says, “Mr. Garcia-Hernandez was an agent or employee of R.J. Biringer Construction Co. Inc., and was acting within the course and scope of such agency and employment.”

    A day after the fatal crash, Biringer reported to Powhatan County police that Garcia-Hernandez had taken the Ford truck without authorization from the company’s office at 1730 Douthit Court, off U.S. 60 in eastern Powhatan. He reported the truck had been missing since Friday, May 23, a day before the wreck.


    Anyone want to place a virtual bet that there is no Stolen Vehicle police report?

  6. Anonymous said on 23 Jul 2008 at 6:06 am:
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    And OJ was completely innocent, yeah right! It’s so easy to place doubt in a society that refuses to believe that people are capable of doing wrong, or won’t place blame because of the accused economic or ethnic background. Bleeding hearts one and all.

  7. Anonymous said on 23 Jul 2008 at 6:23 am:
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    This is similar to a situation that happened several years ago in Independence (near Victory Lakes and Sheffield Manor in Bristow).

    On a sunny Saturday afternoon several subcontractors decided to finish the day by knocking back a few beers as they frequently did on the job site. They then proceeded to drive their pickup truck recklessly around the neighborhood. As people cleared the street, sidewalk, and their front yards, the driver lost control of the truck and proceeded to drive across about four front yards, took out a big green transformer and several trees and ended up facing backwards on the main road through the neighborhood. He then attempted to make a u-turn and drive away, but the four flat tires on the truck prevented him from driving very fast so the guys in the truck jumped out and tried to flee by foot. Fortunately, some aware neighbors chased the guys down and held them for the police. Somehow nobody was hurt.

    This incident was before the PWC resolution so I am guessing that nothing serious happened to the guys. The developer’s response: put up a sign to tell their contractors to slow down.

  8. BattleCat said on 23 Jul 2008 at 7:05 am:
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    I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the Washington Post. They reported the other day that a merman had been captured in the South Pacific. Meanwhile, the MJM has 17-year olds doing their editorials for them. Besides the funny pages, very few newspapers are actually transmitting any information lately.

  9. Anonymous said on 23 Jul 2008 at 7:16 am:
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    Ducky said on 23 Jul 2008 at 1:32 am:
    I would also add that this case is a good example of why we desperately need comprehensive immigration reform. If Mr. Hernandez was a repeat offender, as Greg says, then he would not have been eligible for a guest worker visa under the McCain plan proposed last year, and Mr. Biringer could not have legally employed him.


  10. Ducky said on 23 Jul 2008 at 7:27 am:
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    We already have laws on the books making it a crime to employ a person in the United States illegally. How do you suggest we go about enforcing such a law?

  11. Anonymous said on 23 Jul 2008 at 8:52 am:
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    To this day I have not understood why a people of the United State of America vs. the government of the United States of America lawsuit has not been filed for the rampant refusal of the US Govt. to enforce its immigration laws and the ill effects that have befallen its people because of this refusal. The people of ‘insert city name here’ vs. the government of ‘insert city name here’ lawsuits should have happened by now as well. To this day I don’t see how that incident in Va. Beach with those girls getting killed by that illegal ever blew over and why the citizens there didn’t lynch that local government for making it a sanctuary city and encouraging these kinds of incidents. Arlington, Manassas Park and Sterling/Sterling Park are three areas in NOVA that are incidents just waiting to happen due to local government encouragement of sanctuary city policies and it really is just a matter of time. In this terrible economy the city coffers don’t have money to defend against these type of lawsuits so it would really be in the best interests of people to get together on class action lawsuits to do a little government arm twisting to make them see the light. It amazes me that some ambulance chaser out there hasn’t stuck a stake in the ground and claimed this type of litigation as a specialty.

  12. CitizenofManassas said on 23 Jul 2008 at 9:48 am:
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    You are wrong. During the Senate debate of 2006, even felon illegals would have gained citizenship thanks to the Dems that pushed that add on to the larger “reform” bill. Thankfully there were enough Republicans to defeat the effort.


    How about doing something about illegals, rather then drunk driving? An illegal is not going to be able to drink and drive if they are not in the Country.

  13. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 9:59 am:
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    I have noticed that Diversity Gal has a personal friend or acquaintance that has had something similar to what is posted on BVBL happen to them. Interesting.

  14. Herndon Bob said on 23 Jul 2008 at 9:59 am:
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    Does this qualify?

    “The Writ of Mandate is appropriate in cases where government has a duty, and fails to execute that duty, where citizens have an interest in government performing that duty, where there is no other speedy and effective remedy available to citizens to compel the government to perform its duty, and where irrevocable harm will result if government does not perform its duty. This Court has jurisdiction because only a federal court can compel state and local governments to comply with federal law, when that law pertains to state and local governments and provides for no immunity. Petitioners come now to request that this Court enforce federal Immigration Law as codified in US 8, Chapter 14, Section 1621(d), which pertains to public benefits given to illegal aliens.


    The law denies most government benefits to illegal aliens. The government has a duty o assure that taxpayer-supported public assistance programs are not abused. As with work authorization, enforcement of eligibility requirements relies upon a credible system of verification . The INS, working with the White House Interagency Working Group on Immigration as appropriate, shall review means of improving the existing benefits verification program. In addition, we will seek new mechanisms – including increased penalties for false information used to qualify for benefits - to protect the integrity of public programs.

    The Commonwealth of Kentucky, and its governmental entities and agencies, has a non-discretionary duty to withhold state and local benefits to illegal aliens unless it enacts a law that affirmatively grants eligibility to illegal aliens as stated in US Title 8 Aliens and Nationality (EXHIBIT 1):

    Reference Link

  15. Herndon Bob said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:01 am:
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    Sorry link didn’t come thru:


  16. rebelreggie said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:09 am:
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    U.S. Border Control
    Women loses husband, two sons to road rage as a result of San Francisco’s sanctuary law

    Posted: 22 Jul 2008 09:33 PM CDT

    Danielle Bologna’s husband and two sons were gunned down a month ago by an illegal alien. Now, she is demanding San Francisco do something about its sanctuary law.

    Edwin Ramos, 21, an illegal alien from El Salvador, gunned down Anthony Bologna, and the couple’s two sons, Matthew and Michael, in a road rage incident. The family was returning from a picnic. Ramos has been charged with three counts of murder. Under the city’s sanctuary policy, Ramos had remained in San Francisco despite committing previous crimes.

    “Had the city done something, this animal would not have taken my family,” Mrs. Bologna said. “The government should have stepped in. They allow these immigrants to come in and how dare they strip our families like this.”

    Ramos had been convicted of two gang-related felonies while a juvenile and remained in San Francisco because the city’s Juvenile Probation Department did not alert federal authorities. San Francisco’s 1989 “City of Refuge” ordinance prohibits city agencies from contacting the feds on immigration matters.

    But federal officials also knew about Ramos’ immigration status when he was arrested on a gun charge in March. They never however, put an immigration hold on him.

    Mrs. Bologna blames the city. “I want justice. I want the people to see: If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will be?”
    Click here to view our entire news blog

  17. Black Saint said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:11 am:
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    Mexico’s total economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the Victims, Businesses to Profit from and Corrupt Politicians to Cuddle and Pander to! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!

    We are now seeing that the Illegal Aliens can not only impact this Nation but the global economy as well. Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy! Just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they have spread their negative impact across the world.

    It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Illegal Aliens are costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate this economy and force Mexico to address their problems!

    Last but not least, all Nations immigration policies are is by design & intent suppose to enhance the Nation and its Citizens that immigrated legally, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and built the nation! Clearly for the reasons numerated above Amnesty for the invading horde of uneducated peons and criminals does not meet this criteria.

    They certainly must not be used to further the political careers and lust for power of Corrupt/Pandering Politicians like Obama & McCain!

  18. Black Saint said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:13 am:
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    The Latinos that make up the largest group of the Illegal Aliens population has the largest school drop out rate of any ethnic group in the USA, second highest illegitimate birth rate, second highest crime rate, highest birth rate and recent studies confirm they start dropping out of school, using drugs, having illegitimate kids, joining gangs at an earlier age then any ethnic group in the USA. This behavior continues even after citizenship and down through each generation. This culture characteristic explains why Mexico and Latin American, while having more natural resources and moderate climate than most First World Nations are still mired in an Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!

    Amnestying them & with chain immigration for their relatives and their relatives in an never ending chain will add 100,s of millions, a vast underclass of uneducated citizens that will make it impossible to continue the social network for American tax payers. When that occurs you will see riots, fires and pillage from coast to coast that will make the recent rioting in French by Muslim immigrants look like an cook out!

  19. monticup said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:36 am:
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    Black Saint is correct–the gov’ts of Mexico and Central American countries are deliberately dumping the dregs of their societies on the US. They don’t want these angry, low IQ individuals because they may riot like they did in Chiapas, Mexico.

    Diversity Gal: I’m on to you. You are deliberately saying idiotic things.

  20. Vigilant1 said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:40 am:
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    CitizenofManassas said on 23 Jul 2008 at 9:48 am:

    You are wrong. During the Senate debate of 2006, even felon illegals would have gained citizenship thanks to the Dems that pushed that add on to the larger “reform” bill. Thankfully there were enough Republicans to defeat

    You are absolutely correct COM. It was an amnesty for all illegals including illegal felons. In addition, they would not be charged with the felony of using a false id and identity theft. In other words, ALL the ILLEGALS got a free pass if the bill had passed.

  21. TTTTP said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:01 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 9:59 am:
    I have noticed that Diversity Gal has a personal friend or acquaintance that has had something similar to what is posted on BVBL happen to them. Interesting.

    Get over your obsession with this poster! I come on here to get info on illegal immigrants!

  22. Diversity Gal said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:47 am:
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    As I’ve said many times, I’m just trying to take part in the discussion. If it makes you feel good, you can call me names.

    In any case guys…I think we all know somebody out there who has been affected by drunk driving, right? If anyone wants to cast doubt on my experiences, that is their prerogative.

    Anyway, on with the discussion about illegal immigration…

  23. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:48 am:
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    LOL. I make ONE comment on ONE thread and I am accused of an obsession. Go away gnat.

  24. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:53 am:
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    Unfortunately, if the talk of amnesty continues it only encourages those here to “wait it out” until it takes effect. It may mean less money for them to send back home for a while, but the promise of better times in the near future will outweigh the hardships that are to be encountered at home. Those in the homeland will just cut back until the money spigot can be turned back up to full volume.

  25. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:56 am:
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    I am sure there wasn’t one. The reason there wasn’t is because he HAD permission to drive the vehicle home and to run errands in it. That makes perfect sense as to why he was behind the wheel of it. The employer is just trying to minimize his responsibility, but it isn’t going to work, I hope!!

  26. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:59 am:
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    I agree with you about Black Saint. We can not afford to give amnesty to a single one of these ILLEGAL aliens. We need to close the border for at least 10 years, take inventory on what we have and move forward during that time to proper immigration reform. This is not an overnight fix, it has to be planned and analyzed properly. This take time. 10 years should do it.

  27. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:19 pm:
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    Better yet, secure the borders, set up significant fines for employers that hire ILLEGAL aliens, fix the 14th amendment, implement a “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” period and a moratorium on the ICE enforcement.

    The ILLEGAL aliens get 90 days to get their affairs in order and move back to where they came from.

    After this Don’t ask, Don’t tell period is over, the moratorium is lifted and all ILLEGAL aliens, and those in their care, caught in the country will be deported immediately, no questions asked. All property will be confiscated and auctioned off to pay for the ICE enforcement. They forfeit all “rights” after the 90 days. US citizen anchor babies can stay in the country, or they can have their citizenship transferred to their parents home country (part of fixing the 14th amendment).

    To the apologists this may seem a bit harsh and cruel, but there are real consequences attached to the actions of the ILLEGAL aliens. Without the real consequences attached, nothing will be taken seriously.

    Until we implement harsh consequences for breaking the law, it will continue. Public hanging was a good deterrent.

  28. TTTTP said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:32 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:48 am:

    LOL. I make ONE comment on ONE thread and I am accused of an obsession. Go away gnat.

    Each man will be issued one spoon. Any man that loses his spoon spends a nite in the box.

  29. TTTTP said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:34 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:48 am:

    LOL. I make ONE comment on ONE thread and I am accused of an obsession. Go away gnat.

    Welcome to the Sub basement! Going up

  30. DPortM said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:56 pm:
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    Medic’s suggestions for immigration reform are totally on point!

  31. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 1:41 pm:
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    TY DPortM, the consequences for actions portion is what will cause a self deportation of ILLEGAL aliens. Couple this with the secured border to prevent re-entry, this is a good solution.

  32. Citizen 12 said on 23 Jul 2008 at 2:20 pm:
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    When you mention fixing the 14th amendment, are you proposing for the abolishment of the entire amendment? After all, it is unconstitutional as it was never legally ratified to begin with.



  33. Johnson said on 23 Jul 2008 at 2:24 pm:
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    We also need to toughen and enforce our admissibility rules. Mohammad Atta was allowed back into the U.S. (with the permission of an INS Supervisor) after having overstayed his student visa. Had the rules been followed, he wouldn’t have even been allowed to apply for re-entry for 5 years. There’s a reason that the old INS was quietly disbanded. Presence in the U.S. is a privilege for non-citizens, not a right. Illegal presence should be treated as a felony, Those found guilty should never be allowed back in, ever. Medic is right. Close the borders for ten years, deport all those who are here illegally with no fanfare and don’t even consider immigration reform until the entire ten years has passed. The third world will have to deal with it’s own populations.

  34. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 2:36 pm:
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    Johnson, that is what I am proposing. If the rules are broken, then there are consequences sever enough to “burn your hand” when they are touched/not followed!!

    There are many things that fell through the cracks in regards to the 9/11 hijackers!!

    I am suggesting we work towards the reform during the ten years because it will take that long for all sides to come together. The voters need to get tough and show the elected officials there are consequences for them not enforcing the laws of the land. Let’s drop the PC crap and put this action in place and see how long it takes for America to get back on her feet.

  35. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 3:02 pm:
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    Here is an excerpt from an interview between Frontpage (FP) and Mark Krikorian (Krikorian)


    FP: Tell us some of the ways that mass immigration conflicts with the goals and characteristics of a modern society.

    Krikorian: I can’t address every facet (for that, buy the book), but let’s start with assimilation. This is more than just learning English and getting a job — true assimilation, what John Fonte calls “patriotic assimilation,” means you have shifted your allegiances from your old country to your new country. There are two attributes of modernity that make this kind of assimilation less likely. The first is modern communications and transportation technology, cheap phone calls, rapid travel across oceans. These are good things, but they also mean that an immigrant never really has to leave behind the old country in the way he was forced to by circumstances in the past. As a result, he doesn’t necessarily refocus his emotional attachments on his new country, because he’s always able to call home or send e-mail or hop on a bus or plane to go back for a wedding. The second problem is that in all modern societies, the elites lose the cultural self-confidence necessary to induce newcomers to become more like you rather than the reverse. The result is bilingual education, multiculturalism, press 1 for English, and all the rest. In neither case is this something the immigrants dreamed up or imposed on us, but is does mean we have to change our immigration policies to better reflect this new reality.

    The same conflict exists in economic matters. In a modern economy, higher education is necessary for upward mobility, and most immigrants are inevitably going to be relatively low-skilled, undermining the life-chances of low-skilled Americans and even earlier immigrants, in whose success we now have a large stake. Poor immigrants also inevitably strain government budgets — no matter how hard they work, low-skilled people in a modern economy just can’t earn enough to support themselves and their families at the level we think appropriate without subsidies from the taxpayer. It’s not their fault. It’s not our fault. There is no “fault.” It’s a mismatch that we need to end.

    FP: What are some of the best arguments to be made against amnesty?

    Krikorian: Don’t reward lawbreakers — despite all the baloney about “going to the end of the line,” any form of legalization by definition lets illegals continue living and working here, thus giving them what they came for. Don’t encourage more illegal immigration in the future by telegraphing to the world’s six billion non-Americans that they can sneak in or overstay their visa, and if they keep their heads down long enough, they’ll get a green card. It’s not appropriate to even consider amnesty until after we’ve re-asserted control over the system, after we’ve reduced the illegal population through attrition, after we’ve restricted future admissions. Even then, I might be against it, but at least it would be a legitimate topic for debate. But until then, there’s nothing to talk about.

    This is really the stand that America needs to take!! The answers to the problems are spelled out if we just dig down and get the courage to do something.

  36. IllegalisILLEGAL said on 23 Jul 2008 at 7:16 pm:
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    For those that don’t about Mark Krikorian he is about the only lawyer that knows both immigration and constitutional law in the U.S. SO this man knows what he is talking about.

  37. IllegalisILLEGAL said on 23 Jul 2008 at 7:18 pm:
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    I am so tired of this illegal mess! Americans have made it clear over and over that they want the existing laws enforced, not immigration reform. NO AMNESTY EVER!

  38. NoVA Scout said on 23 Jul 2008 at 9:03 pm:
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    I read the Washington Post almost daily and I’ve never seen them say that one shouldn’t determine the immigration status of those arrested. I think that’s been routinely done in most, if not all jurisdictions for many years now. Nor have I ever read in those pages that they care nothing for people hurt or killed by others, regardless of immigration status.

    I have seen a spirited debate about whether local law enforcement should check immigration status in connection with non-custodial encounters, such as traffic stops, and whether and how one establishes constitutional probable cause for inquiry into immigration status. But that’s an entirely different issue, isn’t it?

    Can I assume that these over-the-top ledes and post titles are satire? Kind of like a New Yorker cover?

  39. IllegalisILLEGAL said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:15 pm:
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    This is off topic but didn’t a local Spanish radio station just bite the dust? It used to a country station, then Spanish, and now it’s back to country. I think.

    Radio voice for migrants in the Valley is going silent
    By Daniel González
    The Arizona Republic (Phoenix), July 22, 2008

  40. monticup said on 23 Jul 2008 at 10:31 pm:
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    Proof that Arizona’s get tough policy WORKS! It doesn’t hurt to have Sheriff Joe Arpaio on duty, either.

  41. Ducky said on 24 Jul 2008 at 5:56 am:
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    Black Saint - Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy!


  42. Dilly said on 24 Jul 2008 at 7:27 am:
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    Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law


  43. DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 7:39 am:
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    Ducky, prove Black Saint is a liar….

  44. BattleCat said on 24 Jul 2008 at 9:20 am:
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    Not to pick on your well-thought out response, but you may want to look into the subtleties of what a lie actually is. There are dictionaries that will help you understand the nuances of meaning, intent, etc in the word “lie”. A few of us have educations that range beyond the third grade, after which simple calling someone a “liar” have a decreased effect. Good effort, though!

  45. BattleCat said on 24 Jul 2008 at 9:21 am:
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  46. Matt said on 24 Jul 2008 at 9:27 am:
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    “RICHMOND — Former Virginia governor James S. Gilmore III, the state’s Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate, submitted false information on two financial disclosure forms that hid his ties to a government contractor embroiled in a legal dispute over allegations that two of its executives had conspired to defraud the federal government.

    On the forms, the first filed in June 2007 for his presidential campaign and the second in May after he joined the U.S. Senate race, Gilmore said he was on the board of Windmill International.

    Gilmore, who signed his name attesting that the information on the forms was “complete and correct,” reported that Windmill International was based in Nashua, N.H.

    But Gilmore was on the board of a Virginia-based company also called Windmill International. The two companies are not affiliated. The Virginia company, headed by Douglas Combs, a former Navy official, is at the center of an ongoing lawsuit alleging that Combs and others tried to secure fraudulent government contracts in Iraq.” - WashPo 7/24/08

    Gilmore will get waxed in November; maybe he’ll finally go away.

  47. monticup said on 24 Jul 2008 at 9:28 am:
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    Ducky, the truth hurts your cause, doesn’t it?
    Black Saint nailed it.

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  49. Anonymous said on 24 Jul 2008 at 11:50 am:
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    TTTTP said on 23 Jul 2008 at 12:34 pm:
    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 23 Jul 2008 at 11:48 am:

    LOL. I make ONE comment on ONE thread and I am accused of an obsession. Go away gnat.

    Sounds like Krutis is back under a new name! GO AWAY GNAT was one of her most used sayings. Welcome back Krutis (TTTTP!)

  50. monticup said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:07 pm:
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    Anonymous: Good work!

  51. Bridget said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:29 pm:
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    This guy knows the score:


  52. Johnson said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:35 pm:
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    The front page picture shows a crowd of people waiting to talk to counselors. Out of the 40 discernable images of people, I counted 3 blacks, 2 whites and the rest hispanic. How many of them would have turned away, if citizenship was required? Why are my tax dollars paying for people to have loans that never should have gotten them in the first place?

  53. DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:36 pm:
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    I can assure all of you that TTTTP is not Krutis. He is a Maryland citizen who has been the victim of reverse discrimination by one of the counties in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. There has been an illegal food service company working out of a garage on the property next to hime with a variety of taquiera trucks. I believe the house is also overcrowded. After filing many complaints with the various applicable agencies, the illegal business has been allowed to continue by the liberal, anti-American agencies in the county in which he resides.

  54. DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:38 pm:
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    Good question, Johnson. How many Americans would be able to get our interest rates lowered to 4%

  55. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:50 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 24 Jul 2008 at 11:50 am

    I can assure you I am not Krustis. I know people on this board and I have met them face to face. They can vouch for who I am.

    That is a Southern IL saying for someone bothering you, BTW.

  56. DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 1:19 pm:
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    Medic 64 isn’t Krusty/Krutis/Krustis either! I will vouch for him - he is a patriotic American and a gentleman!

  57. DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 1:21 pm:
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    You can find this fax by proceeding to

    Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey has put a hold on the reauthorization of the E-Verify program. As you know, E-Verify allows employers to determine the legality of their potential new hire. This program is up for reauthorization and many anti-American worker congressmen have been trying to hold the bill up.

    Sen. Menendez has placed a hold on the bill and refuses to release the hold until the Congress agrees to increase the number of work-based visas. It is absolutely appalling that a United States Senator would do this to American workers. Not only is he holding up a program that prevents illegal aliens from finding work (and thereby allowing Americans to fill jobs), he is holding it hostage for more skilled worker visas (which keep educated Americans out of a job).

    Send your Democratic U.S. Senator as fax and urge him/her to keep Sen. Menendez in line. Remind him/her that this is probably not the message that the Democratic party wants to send heading into the November elections.

  58. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:19 pm:
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    TY DPortM,

    I appreciate the kind words. I am sure that Rob Smalls would vouch for my character as well.

  59. Anonymous said on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:31 pm:
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    DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:36 pm:
    I can assure all of you that TTTTP is not Krutis.

    Sorry! That was a common saying of Krutis and I made the wrong assumption.

  60. Howard the Duck said on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:41 pm:
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    Sadly, all too familiar:


  61. Bridget said on 24 Jul 2008 at 3:11 pm:
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    ‘… Newsom “still supports the worthwhile aims of denying the federal government” assistance in deporting otherwise law-abiding undocumented residents…’

    I still support the worthwhile aims of denying Newsom any and all federal government funding.

  62. Johnson said on 24 Jul 2008 at 3:23 pm:
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    The comPost is especially whiny today.

  63. Bridget said on 24 Jul 2008 at 5:17 pm:
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    Another guy who gets it. Enough with the pity party nonsense:


  64. Citizen 12 said on 24 Jul 2008 at 7:09 pm:
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    San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom should be arrested and charged as an accessory to murder
    Criminal-coddling officials have been enabling murder; it’s time to put some of them behind bars


    Mayor Newsom needs to step up and take a spot on the gallows next to Ramos.

  65. Riley said on 24 Jul 2008 at 8:40 pm:
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    Well, we’ll have to see if tomorrow the WashPo names an illegal alien as the likely killer of Chandra Levy. Their multi-part story wraps up tomorrow and it looks like the culprit may be someone who entered the U.S. illegally from El Salvador.


  66. CitizenofManassas said on 24 Jul 2008 at 9:18 pm:
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    Just leave, your support for killers and child rapists are just as bad as the COMPOST support for them. The Post has railed against PW and any effort to control illegal immigration, including checking the immigration status.

  67. TTTTP said on 24 Jul 2008 at 9:50 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:31 pm:
    DPortM said on 24 Jul 2008 at 12:36 pm:
    I can assure all of you that TTTTP is not Krutis.

    Sorry! That was a common saying of Krutis and I made the wrong assumption.

    Hey thank you for the I’m sorry

    DPortM as always you are a beacon of goodness!

  68. Riley said on 24 Jul 2008 at 11:21 pm:
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    WASHPO IS pointing their finger at an illegal alien for the murder of Chandra Levy.


  69. NoVA Scout said on 24 Jul 2008 at 11:56 pm:
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    CoM - you need to read more carefully. If you did, you wouldn’t have to spend your life in such a confused state. For the record, I oppose murder and child rape. I think the Post does too, but they probably thought that obvious enough that they’ve never had to come out editorially on the subject. I also oppose illegal immigration, as I think virtually everyone does. The debate is how best to address that problem.

  70. DiversityGal said on 25 Jul 2008 at 12:09 am:
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    NoVa Scout,

    Right on!

  71. CitizenofManassas said on 25 Jul 2008 at 8:26 am:
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    As we just went over a few weeks ago, I pointed out exactly who supports illegal immigration. MWB, the COMPOST, you, and others that have been called out all support illegal immigration. If you oppose child rape and murder, you would not be in favor of the Senate bill that was defeated a couple of years ago that would in fact have granted Citizenship to even those illegals guilty of such crimes.

    Your solution is to grant amnesty. I have asked you to provide who you would provide amnesty to and who you think should not get it, and you of course run and hide for a few days hoping to avoid having to answer the questions.


    You support illegal immigration too, so I’m not really sure why you thought to stick your two cents in on this thread. Though, I suppose if you want to be made out to be a fool, I’m willing to accommodate that.

    BTW, you never did answer my question regarding the drunk driving illegal. Why worry about drunk driving, when if the illegal is not here in the first place, they are not going to be able to drink and drive.

  72. 999 said on 25 Jul 2008 at 6:43 pm:
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    NoVA Scout said on 24 Jul 2008 at 11:56 pm

    I also oppose illegal immigration, as I think virtually everyone does. The debate is how best to address that problem.

    NO debate needed. DEPORT THEM ALL!

  73. NoVA Scout said on 26 Jul 2008 at 12:26 am:
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    True debate is a good thing, 999. Otherwise, people like you would bring profound shame to our great country.

    CoM: It’s very tempting to confess that your superior intellect and cleverness have turned me out of my entrenched position and forced me to admit that, goshdarnit, I really am in favor of child rape and murder. You’re just too dern smart for me and you’ve got the upper hand in this.

    But that would be an ironic thing to say. It would amuse me, but in this company, there are quite a few who would take it literally. Much as I giggle at some of the ignorant passion around here, I need to speak very slowly and use small words.

    So, once more: I do not favor child rape. I think murder is a bad thing. I oppose illegal immigration. I oppose amnesty. I oppose mass deportations. I think federal immigration policy is a mess, both because the law on its face is inadequate to prevailing economic conditions, and because enforcement has been lax. I favor securing the borders against potential terrorists. I favor immigration policies that encourage legal immigration, particularly in high skill areas and I would make citizenship a relatively easy get for scientists, docs, techs and engineers. But, as a conservative, I also favor the least regulated movement consistent with security of labor (at any skill level) and capital from market to market, regardless of national boundaries. I would grant visas to unskilled laborers who have been here for some time without having committed violent crimes. I would exact a fine for illegal entry and/or auction or fee the right to obtain a visa, assuming my other criteria were met. I would not deport parents of American citizens unless they have committed crimes against property or life. I support consideration of amending the Constitution to remove incentives for “anchor babies.”

    While I have never hidden myself from the likes of you, but I do sometimes avoid contact for days or weeks because I feel either my Mother or God would be mighty annoyed with me if either thought I wasted too much time amusing myself for no constructive purpose. I have other things going on in my life that mean that I don’t hang out here with the same degree of tenacity as you do. Days can go by without my noticing that you’ve barked at me.

    I am a descendant of immigrants, not a one of whom knew when they departed their native land what was legal and what was not about entering either the British colonies or the young United States. They just came. We have fought in every American war save World War I (long story having to do with generational fault lines), have been Republicans since the 1850s, and we love America and hope that millions more immigrants will come to love it as much as we have.

    Now, if you move your lips as you read and drag your index finger across the screen, some of this may start to sink in.

  74. CitizenofManassas said on 26 Jul 2008 at 9:27 am:
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    The only ignorant ones around here are the ones like you, who support illegal immigration. The fact that you would reward law breaking, by granting “visas” to criminals is proof enough that despite, what you say, is in fact support for what these people have done. Which of course is to break the law, continue to break the law, and then to get rewarded for breaking the law. How in the world is that a conservative value?

    You do of course realize that if the Government starts to hand out Visa’s to illegals, that it will just encourage even more to break the law and circumvent the system in order to obtain a Visa by breaking the law. How exactly is your way going to send the message that illegal immigration is bad, and that people who want to immigrate to America have to play by the rules in order to benefit from everything America has to offer?

    What would you do with illegals who have stolen someone’s social security number which resulted in lost time, money and credit for that poor “non violent crime” victim? What would you do with the illegal who has driven without a license, without insurance, caused a traffic accident, then used a false name or even ran from the scene? Because illegals use multiple names and identities, exactly how would you weed the “bad” criminals from the “good” criminals?

    Your family history means nothing in this debate. But sense it seems that it has influenced your support of illegals, my family has been here since the 1700’s and have defended the Nation in every war since the war of 1812. Now, should that make me more likely to support criminals? Nope. I realize the sacrifice of those who have died defending America, and realize that we do in fact have a rule of law that must be followed, and anything to undermine the rule of law is in fact an insult to those who have died defending America.

    Anyone born in America and prior to this land being called America is related to an immigrant.

  75. Karla H said on 26 Jul 2008 at 6:18 pm:
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    More great work, Greg. The WaPo is a loser paper. I never see any real news in it. Simply them pushing their own agenda. Does Congressman Wolf read this site? He should!

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