Comments on: Again, The Rest Of The Story http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:07:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Bridget http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71403 Bridget Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:38:09 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71403 Acurate would have been "Guatemalen illgal alien teen found in Manassas." The reason for the chronic MSM omissions are clear as day: For years they have invested heavily in promoting the propaganda that all illegal aliens do, all they are capable of, is make our lives better and contribute to the public good. Had this guy so much as saved a kitten fro a drain pipe - we would have been treated to every last detail of his identity that distinguished him from being simply a Manassas teen; His culture, ethnicity, country of origin, his immigration/legal status etc.... All would have been hoisted high - put up as proof to further the stereotyping of any and all who share his identity traits. And what is the rest of the story on this "Fairfax-area Man"? Has any report disclosed his identity beyond that of a Fairfax- area man? http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/072808sexaslt.htm Regardless of his culture, ethnicity, national origin, his immigration/legal status... the only solid "given" in this ugly case will be that Senor Castellon will help the feds further inflate not only U.S. crime statistics - but as a perp - Senor C. will pad white crime stats. Acurate would have been “Guatemalen illgal alien teen found in Manassas.”

The reason for the chronic MSM omissions are clear as day: For years they have invested heavily in promoting the propaganda that all illegal aliens do, all they are capable of, is make our lives better and contribute to the public good.

Had this guy so much as saved a kitten fro a drain pipe - we would have been treated to every last detail of his identity that distinguished him from being simply a Manassas teen; His culture, ethnicity, country of origin, his immigration/legal status etc…. All would have been hoisted high - put up as proof to further the stereotyping of any and all who share his identity traits.

And what is the rest of the story on this “Fairfax-area Man”? Has any report disclosed his identity beyond that of a Fairfax- area man?

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/072808sexaslt.htm

Regardless of his culture, ethnicity, national origin, his immigration/legal status… the only solid “given” in this ugly case will be that Senor Castellon will help the feds further inflate not only U.S. crime statistics - but as a perp - Senor C. will pad white crime stats.

]]> By: Rick Bentley http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71294 Rick Bentley Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:04:27 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71294 Right. There's a difference between living here, and hiding out here illegally. Right. There’s a difference between living here, and hiding out here illegally.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71289 Anonymous Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:03:56 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71289 Anonymous said on 27 Jul 2008 at 6:42 pm: A teenager living in Manasssas is a “Manassas teen”. Would you think a teenager living in Manassas from WV or TX would not be called a Manassas teen? Only if they are in the country LEGALLY! Anonymous said on 27 Jul 2008 at 6:42 pm:
A teenager living in Manasssas is a “Manassas teen”. Would you think a teenager living in Manassas from WV or TX would not be called a Manassas teen?

Only if they are in the country LEGALLY!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71263 Anonymous Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:42:08 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71263 A teenager living in Manasssas is a "Manassas teen". Would you think a teenager living in Manassas from WV or TX would not be called a Manassas teen? A teenager living in Manasssas is a “Manassas teen”. Would you think a teenager living in Manassas from WV or TX would not be called a Manassas teen?

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71259 NoVA Scout Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:38:49 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71259 Anon 1721: Nice try, but essentially ridiculous. Unless things are far worse in Manassas than many of us realized, I don't see how Dolph's comments equated Bennett with "your typical Manassas teenager" or made it "seem like he was just any other teenage citizen." If that's a fair reading of her statement, the level of day-to-day mayhem there must be beyond comprehension. In any event, I thought everyone, including Dolph, was totally against illegal immigration. Surely that's not controversial. I took her comment to be one suggesting that posts and comments be acccurate, not that attempted murder is commonplace among Manassas teens. Anon 1721: Nice try, but essentially ridiculous. Unless things are far worse in Manassas than many of us realized, I don’t see how Dolph’s comments equated Bennett with “your typical Manassas teenager” or made it “seem like he was just any other teenage citizen.” If that’s a fair reading of her statement, the level of day-to-day mayhem there must be beyond comprehension.

In any event, I thought everyone, including Dolph, was totally against illegal immigration. Surely that’s not controversial. I took her comment to be one suggesting that posts and comments be acccurate, not that attempted murder is commonplace among Manassas teens.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71258 Anonymous Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:25 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71258 Dolph on 27 Jul 2008 at 1:58 pm: The Dude on 27 Jul 2008 at 2:55 am: I don't believe the Dude was wishing any threat on you but was his way of saying maybe if you experienced some of the situations as some of the families in this area have experienced with gang violence you would be totally against illegal immigration. By stating that the Illegal Alien who killed that girl was a Manassas teenager, you trivalize the fact he was an Illegal Alien and make it seem like he was just like any other teenage citizen. Look at his criminal record prior to his killing that girl. He is not your typical Manassas teenager. Dolph on 27 Jul 2008 at 1:58 pm:
The Dude on 27 Jul 2008 at 2:55 am:

I don’t believe the Dude was wishing any threat on you but was his way of saying maybe if you experienced some of the situations as some of the families in this area have experienced with gang violence you would be totally against illegal immigration. By stating that the Illegal Alien who killed that girl was a Manassas teenager, you trivalize the fact he was an Illegal Alien and make it seem like he was just like any other teenage citizen. Look at his criminal record prior to his killing that girl. He is not your typical Manassas teenager.

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71254 NoVA Scout Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:20:01 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71254 If you're going to make me an "appologist" anon, at least spell it correctly. But, aside from that, you'll get no apologies from me. I'll wait and see if Dolph gets an apology from "The Dude" who wished her some "first hand experience" with violent crime. There are some real thuggish beasts prowling around here, aren't there? Can anyone imagine decent people saying anything like that? If you’re going to make me an “appologist” anon, at least spell it correctly. But, aside from that, you’ll get no apologies from me. I’ll wait and see if Dolph gets an apology from “The Dude” who wished her some “first hand experience” with violent crime. There are some real thuggish beasts prowling around here, aren’t there? Can anyone imagine decent people saying anything like that?

]]> By: Good N. Plenty http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71241 Good N. Plenty Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:24:02 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71241 Perhaps the MJM/Potomac newspaper is in the same camp of thinking as Dolph is when she said "He really is a Manassas teen in the eyes of most people". I will contact Amanda Stewart and ask her to explain her position. Hopefully, under the "freedom of the press" it still means what it stands for and is not becoming another re-definition of 'just a word' as our "freedom of speech" is becoming. But since the Constitution is "no longer" by some thinkers, a document to live by, but rather "a living document that evolves" one can only suspect something is not correct here. My opinion, of course, but peoples thinking are shaped and skewed by rhetoric, opinions, heresay, gossip and what the-experts say too often these days. I'm hoping most people are not relying on these medias to learn knowledge but rather are being investigative and in search of facts to support what they think they know. Ya gotta give Toto credit for pulling the curtain back and exposing the great wizard of oz wanna-be! And thanks to those who are relentless is getting it and setting the 'for the record' straight. Coming to learn the truth is really not that difficult when you're mind is open to it. Perhaps the MJM/Potomac newspaper is in the same camp of thinking as Dolph is when she said “He really is a Manassas teen in the eyes of most people”. I will contact Amanda Stewart and ask her to explain her position. Hopefully, under the “freedom of the press” it still means what it stands for and is not becoming another re-definition of ‘just a word’ as our “freedom of speech” is becoming. But since the Constitution is “no longer” by some thinkers, a document to live by, but rather “a living document that evolves” one can only suspect something is not correct here. My opinion, of course, but peoples thinking are shaped and skewed by rhetoric, opinions, heresay, gossip and what the-experts say too often these days. I’m hoping most people are not relying on these medias to learn knowledge but rather are being investigative and in search of facts to support what they think they know. Ya gotta give Toto credit for pulling the curtain back and exposing the great wizard of oz wanna-be! And thanks to those who are relentless is getting it and setting the ‘for the record’ straight. Coming to learn the truth is really not that difficult when you’re mind is open to it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71238 Anonymous Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:51:18 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71238 NoVA Scout said on 27 Jul 2008 at 8:56 am: Accuracy leads swiftly and inevitably to opprobrium around here, Dolph. Nonetheless, thanks for trying. Sounds like another appologist. NoVA Scout said on 27 Jul 2008 at 8:56 am:
Accuracy leads swiftly and inevitably to opprobrium around here, Dolph. Nonetheless, thanks for trying.

Sounds like another appologist.

]]> By: 999 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71233 999 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:30:02 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71233 The Dude said on 27 Jul 2008 at 2:55 am: Right on! The Dude said on 27 Jul 2008 at 2:55 am:

Right on!

]]> By: freedom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71229 freedom Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:12:35 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71229 How sad....Greg surfaced an extremely serious issue and it becomes hijacked, either because of misunderstanding or simply the lack of concern. The issue is once again, the MJM/Potomac News gets away with it -- either extremely sloppy investigation leading up to a news story OR the intentional "manipulation of the news" through failure/refusal to report essential facts"...and here we are, arguing over the "title" of a confessed murderer. :( We have a guaranteed right, "freedom of the press," a right has been protected with the blood of Americans for more than 200 years -- we elect our leaders based in large part upon what we read in the newspapers and what we hear in the electronic media. As citizens, each of us needs to know the facts behind news events, and if we're so inclined we can read (or listen to) the opinion of others. Along with "freedom of the press," there is also "responsibility of the press" -- a responsibility to report the news AS NEWS and report opinion AS OPINION. In this case, the omission of critical information from a news story evidences one more failure of the Potomac News/MJM. Was it extremely sloppy investigation of the facts leading up to a news story or was it a case of intentional manipulation of the news? In either case, the MJM/Potomac News should be held accountable for failure in their responsibility to exercise a critical freedom. The real seriousness of this issue is that it is sweeping our country, and as individuals, our only recourse is to continue reading the opinion of a news manipulator or terminate a subscription. How sad….Greg surfaced an extremely serious issue and it becomes hijacked, either because of misunderstanding or simply the lack of concern.

The issue is once again, the MJM/Potomac News gets away with it — either extremely sloppy investigation leading up to a news story OR the intentional “manipulation of the news” through failure/refusal to report essential facts”…and here we are, arguing over the “title” of a confessed murderer. :(

We have a guaranteed right, “freedom of the press,” a right has been protected with the blood of Americans for more than 200 years — we elect our leaders based in large part upon what we read in the newspapers and what we hear in the electronic media. As citizens, each of us needs to know the facts behind news events, and if we’re so inclined we can read (or listen to) the opinion of others.

Along with “freedom of the press,” there is also “responsibility of the press” — a responsibility to report the news AS NEWS and report opinion AS OPINION. In this case, the omission of critical information from a news story evidences one more failure of the Potomac News/MJM. Was it extremely sloppy investigation of the facts leading up to a news story or was it a case of intentional manipulation of the news? In either case, the MJM/Potomac News should be held accountable for failure in their responsibility to exercise a critical freedom.

The real seriousness of this issue is that it is sweeping our country, and as individuals, our only recourse is to continue reading the opinion of a news manipulator or terminate a subscription.

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71228 NoVA Scout Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:56:46 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71228 Accuracy leads swiftly and inevitably to opprobrium around here, Dolph. Nonetheless, thanks for trying. Accuracy leads swiftly and inevitably to opprobrium around here, Dolph. Nonetheless, thanks for trying.

]]> By: The Dude http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71223 The Dude Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:55:41 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71223 Dolph is just an apologist. Best to ignore. Changing subjects, using diversionary tactics, that is what apologists do. The point of this thread is that the press was clearly hiding the fact that this murderer is an illegal alien and should have been stopped before the crime. Not that there exists somewhere out there a murderer who is not an illegal alien. And then these same apologists get offended when we assume that "Paco" or "Carlos" or whoever shows up on the crime list is illegal when we don't know for certain that they are illegal. Well, we assume it because the press won't tell us and probability and statistics indicate that it is most likely the case. JUST A COLD HARD FACT. Dolph is just one of those who can't see the world for what it really is, and in their sheltered residences just imagines how they wish it were. Well Dolph, here's to hoping you get some first hand experience soon. Better you than those of us trying to stop the crimes is my thinking... Dolph is just an apologist. Best to ignore. Changing subjects, using diversionary tactics, that is what apologists do. The point of this thread is that the press was clearly hiding the fact that this murderer is an illegal alien and should have been stopped before the crime. Not that there exists somewhere out there a murderer who is not an illegal alien.

And then these same apologists get offended when we assume that “Paco” or “Carlos” or whoever shows up on the crime list is illegal when we don’t know for certain that they are illegal. Well, we assume it because the press won’t tell us and probability and statistics indicate that it is most likely the case. JUST A COLD HARD FACT.

Dolph is just one of those who can’t see the world for what it really is, and in their sheltered residences just imagines how they wish it were. Well Dolph, here’s to hoping you get some first hand experience soon. Better you than those of us trying to stop the crimes is my thinking…

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71220 Dolph Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:25:19 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71220 999, You know you really should give a rat's ass about attempted murder in your own community. You should give a rat's ass about all violent crime in your community. 999, You know you really should give a rat’s ass about attempted murder in your own community. You should give a rat’s ass about all violent crime in your community.

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71217 Dolph Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:22:39 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71217 999, I never called Jose Martinez 'dude.' I called Bennet, 'dude' because I couldn't think of his name. So what? Does the word 'dude' offend you? All three of them were at one time in school together, according to a local English teacher. Does that not make them all Manassas teens? (except for Nicely who is no longer a 'teen') They all have been accused of either murder or attempted murder. If guilty I want all of them to hang. One is no worse than the other. What have I tried to confuse? Martinez didn't just fall off the banana boat. He has been around for quite a while. I think saying he isn't a Manassas teen is ridiculous. Of course he is and not a very nice one at that. 999,

I never called Jose Martinez ‘dude.’ I called Bennet, ‘dude’ because I couldn’t think of his name. So what? Does the word ‘dude’ offend you?

All three of them were at one time in school together, according to a local English teacher. Does that not make them all Manassas teens? (except for Nicely who is no longer a ‘teen’) They all have been accused of either murder or attempted murder. If guilty I want all of them to hang. One is no worse than the other. What have I tried to confuse? Martinez didn’t just fall off the banana boat. He has been around for quite a while.

I think saying he isn’t a Manassas teen is ridiculous. Of course he is and not a very nice one at that.

]]> By: 999 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71214 999 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:37:02 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71214 999 said on 26 Jul 2008 at 11:35 pm: corr: to do with the murder 999 said on 26 Jul 2008 at 11:35 pm:

corr: to do with the murder

]]> By: 999 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71213 999 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:35:17 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71213 Dolph said on 26 Jul 2008 at 10:33 pm: 999- I don’t really think Thomas Roy Bennett is an illegal alien. He didn’t used to be one. He is a Manassas teen who attempted murder. Perhaps you know something I don’t know about this individual. (there, is that better?) Jose David Martinez-Zeron, 19, was charged with first-degree murder in the Aug. 14 death of Brenely Ester Lessing-Yanez. Bennett. Once again you are trying to confuse the issue. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The illegal alien is Martinez-Zeron who you call a Manassas teen and "dude." Perhaps you know something I don't know about this individual. I don't give a rat a$$ about the "dude" as you called him, Bennett. I did not suggest he was an Illegal alien. He is NOT an Illegal alien and had nothing to due with the murder comitted by the illegal alien Martinez-Zeron. Martinez-Zeron should have been put away prior to his murdering that girl if the police and courts did their job. He should not have been in this country. Bennett also will get his day in court. Dolph said on 26 Jul 2008 at 10:33 pm:
999-

I don’t really think Thomas Roy Bennett is an illegal alien. He didn’t used to be one. He is a Manassas teen who attempted murder. Perhaps you know something I don’t know about this individual. (there, is that better?)

Jose David Martinez-Zeron, 19, was charged with first-degree murder in the Aug. 14 death of Brenely Ester Lessing-Yanez.
Bennett.

Once again you are trying to confuse the issue. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The illegal alien is Martinez-Zeron who you call a Manassas teen and “dude.” Perhaps you know something I don’t know about this individual.

I don’t give a rat a$$ about the “dude” as you called him, Bennett. I did not suggest he was an Illegal alien. He is NOT an Illegal alien and had nothing to due with the murder comitted by the illegal alien Martinez-Zeron. Martinez-Zeron should have been put away prior to his murdering that girl if the police and courts did their job. He should not have been in this country. Bennett also will get his day in court.

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71211 Dolph Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:33:54 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71211 999- I don't really think Thomas Roy Bennett is an illegal alien. He didn't used to be one. He is a Manassas teen who attempted murder. Perhaps you know something I don't know about this individual. (there, is that better?) 999-

I don’t really think Thomas Roy Bennett is an illegal alien. He didn’t used to be one. He is a Manassas teen who attempted murder. Perhaps you know something I don’t know about this individual. (there, is that better?)

]]> By: New Dawn http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71208 New Dawn Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:40:11 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71208 We are lucky that someone in this area cares enough about our community to give us the real story. I agree, Greg keep up the good work. We are lucky that someone in this area cares enough about our community to give us the real story. I agree, Greg keep up the good work.

]]> By: cdubbs http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71205 cdubbs Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:10:28 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/26/again-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-71205 Would this individual have been snagged by our new "rule of law" policy the first time he was picked up and not turned loose? My guess is he would have. It is such a tragedy that that young woman lost her life because we waited too long, that things got going too late because of all the politically correct nonsense. When people have doubts about what the County is doing, they should remember Brenely, and offer a prayer for her. Would this individual have been snagged by our new “rule of law” policy the first time he was picked up and not turned loose? My guess is he would have. It is such a tragedy that that young woman lost her life because we waited too long, that things got going too late because of all the politically correct nonsense. When people have doubts about what the County is doing, they should remember Brenely, and offer a prayer for her.

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