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	<title>Comments on: Hard Times On Route 234</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71810</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71810</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,


The only stupid  people are the ones who support child rapists and killers.  The only people who support illegals are stupid enough to think there is some redeeming value to people who are too stupid to follow the rules. Though, I suppose  it takes a stupid person to know a stupid person.   Of course anyone who supports child rapists and killers surely does not walk upright.  Talk about fooling.  


Exactly how can you tell an illegal has not committed a rape or murder?  Do you have some special power?  Do you think illegals will freely admit to such crimes?  Talk about stupid, lets trust people who have broken a number of laws.  Yup, that is walking upright and using your "brain".  


Exactly where would you draw the line at providing amnesty to illegals?  Would those that engage in tax and Id fraud qualify?  Would that that have committed property crimes get a free pass from you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>The only stupid  people are the ones who support child rapists and killers.  The only people who support illegals are stupid enough to think there is some redeeming value to people who are too stupid to follow the rules. Though, I suppose  it takes a stupid person to know a stupid person.   Of course anyone who supports child rapists and killers surely does not walk upright.  Talk about fooling.  </p>
<p>Exactly how can you tell an illegal has not committed a rape or murder?  Do you have some special power?  Do you think illegals will freely admit to such crimes?  Talk about stupid, lets trust people who have broken a number of laws.  Yup, that is walking upright and using your &#8220;brain&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Exactly where would you draw the line at providing amnesty to illegals?  Would those that engage in tax and Id fraud qualify?  Would that that have committed property crimes get a free pass from you?</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71804</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71804</guid>
		<description>What about black people?  Don't some black guys rape and murder people?  If I support rights for black people, don't I then support rapists and murderers?  Of course not.  It's perfectly possible to be in support of black people in general while at the same time wishing that rapists and murderers be removed from society.

People weren't made for the laws.  The laws were made for the people.  Those of us who walk upright understand this.  A lot of people believe that our immigration laws are not as effective as they could be and wish to change said laws.  They support giving some illegal immigrants some sort of path to legal status because they believe that would benefit society as a whole.  At the same time they wish that rapists and murderers (be they black, white, Chinese, legal or illegal) to be removed from society.

You suggest that supporting illegal aliens constitutes supporting child rapists and killers.  You've only fooling yourself.  I don't think many other people are that stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about black people?  Don&#8217;t some black guys rape and murder people?  If I support rights for black people, don&#8217;t I then support rapists and murderers?  Of course not.  It&#8217;s perfectly possible to be in support of black people in general while at the same time wishing that rapists and murderers be removed from society.</p>
<p>People weren&#8217;t made for the laws.  The laws were made for the people.  Those of us who walk upright understand this.  A lot of people believe that our immigration laws are not as effective as they could be and wish to change said laws.  They support giving some illegal immigrants some sort of path to legal status because they believe that would benefit society as a whole.  At the same time they wish that rapists and murderers (be they black, white, Chinese, legal or illegal) to be removed from society.</p>
<p>You suggest that supporting illegal aliens constitutes supporting child rapists and killers.  You&#8217;ve only fooling yourself.  I don&#8217;t think many other people are that stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71800</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71800</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

Are you a politician?  If not you sould be.  You just can't  answer a very simple question.  I suppose the truth hurts.

  As I have pointed out, if one supports illegal aliens, they support child rapists and killers.  By supporting illegals, you condone the behavior of illegals and encourage them to not only stay here, but encourage even more to come here.    You can't pick and choose which illegals to support and which ones to not support if you are not willing to follow the law and have them all kicked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>Are you a politician?  If not you sould be.  You just can&#8217;t  answer a very simple question.  I suppose the truth hurts.</p>
<p>  As I have pointed out, if one supports illegal aliens, they support child rapists and killers.  By supporting illegals, you condone the behavior of illegals and encourage them to not only stay here, but encourage even more to come here.    You can&#8217;t pick and choose which illegals to support and which ones to not support if you are not willing to follow the law and have them all kicked out.</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71749</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71749</guid>
		<description>Don't you think it's utterly stupid for someone to say that I support criminals, including child rapists and murderers, because of my views on illegal immigration when they have no clue what my views are?  I mean come on.  Isn't that ignorant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s utterly stupid for someone to say that I support criminals, including child rapists and murderers, because of my views on illegal immigration when they have no clue what my views are?  I mean come on.  Isn&#8217;t that ignorant?</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71736</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71736</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

If you do not want people to misstate your views on illegal immigration, why don't you share them.  Otherwise, don't get upset if someone calls you a criminal supporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>If you do not want people to misstate your views on illegal immigration, why don&#8217;t you share them.  Otherwise, don&#8217;t get upset if someone calls you a criminal supporter.</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71681</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71681</guid>
		<description>Some people just believe what the MSM tells them.  Some people verify the facts for themselves.  What can I say?  TO each his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people just believe what the MSM tells them.  Some people verify the facts for themselves.  What can I say?  TO each his own.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71673</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71673</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

If I have misstated your opinions on illegals I apologize.  Maybe you can share them with me, and that way I will not misstate them in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>If I have misstated your opinions on illegals I apologize.  Maybe you can share them with me, and that way I will not misstate them in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71672</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71672</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

I have educated myself.   Why would two newspapers one on the left and one on the right report the same thing?  Maybe because it is the truth.  

Let me get this straight, you support criminals, and you want to call me ignorant, now that really is pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>I have educated myself.   Why would two newspapers one on the left and one on the right report the same thing?  Maybe because it is the truth.  </p>
<p>Let me get this straight, you support criminals, and you want to call me ignorant, now that really is pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71670</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71670</guid>
		<description>Just a few clicks of a mouse, and you can read the damn bill yourself.  Yet rather than educating yourself and becomming informed on the issues, you chose to wallow in ignorance.  Pathetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few clicks of a mouse, and you can read the damn bill yourself.  Yet rather than educating yourself and becomming informed on the issues, you chose to wallow in ignorance.  Pathetic!</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71669</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71669</guid>
		<description>THE PROVISION WAS IN THE BILL.  I've seen the bill.  I read the bill.  It was in there, and I never once ever made any statement in favor of amnesty or illegal aliens.  Add false accusations to the many outrageously stupid comments you've made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE PROVISION WAS IN THE BILL.  I&#8217;ve seen the bill.  I read the bill.  It was in there, and I never once ever made any statement in favor of amnesty or illegal aliens.  Add false accusations to the many outrageously stupid comments you&#8217;ve made.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71668</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71668</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

Sorry, but stop trying to avoid the issue at hand.  You support criminals, including child rapists and killers.  I'd say the only one that is uninformed is you.   How you can live with yourself is beyond me.   Tell me if you had a relative that was a victim of an illegal alien crime, would you support them?  If not,  you are a hypocrite.  

The Bill clearly would provide amnesty for even felons.  

Here is an article from the Washington Times  that again states the Dems did not want to consider a GOP supported amendment that would strike felons from the amnesty.   The part about the amendment is just about at the end of the article.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/07/20060407-123017-8947r/?page=2

So again, please do tell us again how a person who supports child rapists and killers is right about anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>Sorry, but stop trying to avoid the issue at hand.  You support criminals, including child rapists and killers.  I&#8217;d say the only one that is uninformed is you.   How you can live with yourself is beyond me.   Tell me if you had a relative that was a victim of an illegal alien crime, would you support them?  If not,  you are a hypocrite.  </p>
<p>The Bill clearly would provide amnesty for even felons.  </p>
<p>Here is an article from the Washington Times  that again states the Dems did not want to consider a GOP supported amendment that would strike felons from the amnesty.   The part about the amendment is just about at the end of the article.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/07/20060407-123017-8947r/?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/07/20060407-123017-8947r/?page=2</a></p>
<p>So again, please do tell us again how a person who supports child rapists and killers is right about anything?</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71663</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71663</guid>
		<description>It's frustrating dealing with the uninformed.  I mean you have the bill right in front of you with the disputed provisions staring back at you, the provisions that were in the original bill.  Then you have some libidiot talking about a ficticious amendment saying that the New York Slimes said the Dems blocked.

It's one thing to have differences on opinions.  But you just can't have a discussion with anti-immigrant fanatics who are uninformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s frustrating dealing with the uninformed.  I mean you have the bill right in front of you with the disputed provisions staring back at you, the provisions that were in the original bill.  Then you have some libidiot talking about a ficticious amendment saying that the New York Slimes said the Dems blocked.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to have differences on opinions.  But you just can&#8217;t have a discussion with anti-immigrant fanatics who are uninformed.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71654</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71654</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

Sorry, you are wrong, as Stated in the NY Times article, the Dems blocked the GOP attempts to have amendments added to the bill.  In the words of the Dems at the time, if those amendments were added, it would cut down on the number of illegals who would be granted Citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>Sorry, you are wrong, as Stated in the NY Times article, the Dems blocked the GOP attempts to have amendments added to the bill.  In the words of the Dems at the time, if those amendments were added, it would cut down on the number of illegals who would be granted Citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71643</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71643</guid>
		<description>FYI:  The 2006 bill provided that an alien was ineligible for adjustment if he had been convicted of a felony or three or more misdemeanors.  DUI conviction was considered a felony under the bill regardless of what state the offense was in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:  The 2006 bill provided that an alien was ineligible for adjustment if he had been convicted of a felony or three or more misdemeanors.  DUI conviction was considered a felony under the bill regardless of what state the offense was in.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71632</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71632</guid>
		<description>Sorry, that should be 2006.  

Here is a bit of a story from the NY Times that states the Dems did not want to add an amendment to the bill that would have excluded felons.   

But as the day wore on, tensions began to rise as Republicans insisted that the Democrats allow a vote on several of their amendments.   

One amendment would have required the Department of Homeland Security to certify that the border was secure before creating a guest worker program or granting legal status to illegal immigrants. Another would have had the legalization program bar illegal immigrants who had deportation orders or had been convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors. Democratic critics of the proposals said they were intended to ensure that the legalization process would never be implemented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should be 2006.  </p>
<p>Here is a bit of a story from the NY Times that states the Dems did not want to add an amendment to the bill that would have excluded felons.   </p>
<p>But as the day wore on, tensions began to rise as Republicans insisted that the Democrats allow a vote on several of their amendments.   </p>
<p>One amendment would have required the Department of Homeland Security to certify that the border was secure before creating a guest worker program or granting legal status to illegal immigrants. Another would have had the legalization program bar illegal immigrants who had deportation orders or had been convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors. Democratic critics of the proposals said they were intended to ensure that the legalization process would never be implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71631</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71631</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

Think again.  The amnesty bill that was defeated in 1996 would have allowed even felons to obtain Citizenship.   Besides, given that illegals use and or steal multiple identities can we really be sure exactly which illegals have not committed "serious" crimes?

But, I will play along, exactly what do you consider serious crimes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>Think again.  The amnesty bill that was defeated in 1996 would have allowed even felons to obtain Citizenship.   Besides, given that illegals use and or steal multiple identities can we really be sure exactly which illegals have not committed &#8220;serious&#8221; crimes?</p>
<p>But, I will play along, exactly what do you consider serious crimes?</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71630</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71630</guid>
		<description>Never mind that all the proposals for amnesty specifically exclude those individuals who are guilty of serious crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind that all the proposals for amnesty specifically exclude those individuals who are guilty of serious crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71628</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71628</guid>
		<description>Diversitygal

How is that?  I would say it is your logic that needs to be questioned, since you seem to be fine with certain criminals and crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diversitygal</p>
<p>How is that?  I would say it is your logic that needs to be questioned, since you seem to be fine with certain criminals and crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Diversity Gal</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71626</link>
		<dc:creator>Diversity Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71626</guid>
		<description>CitizenofManassas,

Your sense of logic is quite interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CitizenofManassas,</p>
<p>Your sense of logic is quite interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71625</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/29/hard-times-on-route-234/#comment-71625</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

You miss the point.  Illegals, not a single one, should be in this Country. A crime committed by an illegal is one too many.  People who support illegals support everyone of them when they want to reward them with amnesty or some other stupid idea to keep them here.  By supporting illegals, they encourage more illegals to come here. The only generalization is done by those that support illegals who love to say illegals are hard working, are only here to support families, etc. Therefore, people who support illegals support child rapists and killers.   

Do you ever wonder why Libs have such a poor outlook on the Country and say the Country is on the wrong track?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>You miss the point.  Illegals, not a single one, should be in this Country. A crime committed by an illegal is one too many.  People who support illegals support everyone of them when they want to reward them with amnesty or some other stupid idea to keep them here.  By supporting illegals, they encourage more illegals to come here. The only generalization is done by those that support illegals who love to say illegals are hard working, are only here to support families, etc. Therefore, people who support illegals support child rapists and killers.   </p>
<p>Do you ever wonder why Libs have such a poor outlook on the Country and say the Country is on the wrong track?</p>
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