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New Gang Activity

By Greg L | 29 July 2008 | Crime, Prince William County | 47 Comments

There’s some new criminal gangs in town, or at least gangs that haven’t previously been actively tagging our neighborhoods. After seeing a pretty significant decline in MS-13 and Surenos 13 taggings lately, we’re seeing new MS-13 activity in Stonewall Park in Manassas, Mexican Mafia, Surenos 13 and South Side 13 activity in the Gainesville district, and South Side 13 and Surenos 13 activity in the Occoquan District.  Unfortunately local officials haven’t been very proactive about dealing with these.  This disturbing new trend is something local officials need to immediately address, particularly since this activity may be indicative of a potential for inter-gang warfare in Prince William County.

First is the previous Altmed Medical Center site on Route 234:

“Eme”, the reference to the letter “M” in Spanish is a reference to the Mexican Mafia.  The Mexican Mafia acts as an umbrella organization for the various gangs that use the number thirteen in their name when gang members are in prison, and is actively engaged in a war with the Sinaloan drug cartel in Mexico over smuggling routes and drug distribution networks in Northern Mexico and the South-eastern United States, turning that into one of the most dangerous places on earth.  In this photo, “eme” seems to be trying to assert dominance over MS-13 by crossing out their taggings.  Such would be a prelude to more active measures to gain dominance over MS-13 which is likely to turn into open violence.

This picture, also from the Altmed site is a tag for “Surenos 13″, an MS-13 offshoot with a primarily Salvadoran membership.  This six foot high tag hasn’t been disturbed, which given that Surenos 13 has been very busy in the Manassas area might indicate that Surenos 13 is now the largest and most significant local gang.

This tag, also at the Altmed site, is for a new-to-us gang, South Side 13.  This gang includes Hondurans and Guatemalans along with Salvadorans and is also affiliated with the Mexian Mafia.  It is an offshoot of Surenos 13.

This picture, taken at a Taco Bell at Tackett’s Mill in the Occoquan district references Surenos 13.  I hadn’t heard reports of Surenos 13 in Occoquan area previously, and might indicate a turf expansion there.

This is taken at the same Taco Bell, which would indicate that there’s an alliance between an expanding Surenos 13 and South Side 13 that isn’t just a local anomaly, but may be county-wide.  Since there doesn’t seem to be competition here, it might be an indicator of a level of cooperation between these two.

There is little doubt these are authentic and are not the work of “wanna-be” kids with spray paint.  I haven’t included a number of photos that are pretty clearly death threats aimed at specific individuals, and other corroborating information that provides evidence that these are likely authentic.

What all of these gangs have in common is that they were formed in Southern California prisons by incarcerated illegal aliens, they are affiliated with the Mexican Mafia (now a drug cartel in their own right), and include members with extensive experience in guerilla warfare from the war in El Salvador in the 80’s.  Their methods and tactics are unbelievably brutal, and members are responsible for some of the most horrific violent crimes that Prince William County has ever seen.  While we may have the impression in the past that MS 13 is the only gang really worth being concerned about, these variants (Surenos 13 and South Side 13) are every bit as dangerous as the MS 13 gang that the Northern Virginia Gang Task Force has been focusing on for the past decade or so.   Their success against MS 13 may be displacing members into offshoots where the NVGTF has less experience and ability to infiltrate and respond.

These taggings have to be cleaned up immediately to help prevent these violent gangs from establishing their turf, and police must start paying attention to this new threat.  We as citizens have a critical role to play here, letting law enforcement know about any potential gang activity we observe, and rapidly report any gang activity or indicators we find.  Our neighborhoods are ultimately our responsibility, and we are the first line of defense.  By being good partners with our law enforcement agencies, we make them more effective and capable.

Keep those eyes and ears sharp, people.  Your community needs you.



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47 Comments

  1. New Dawn said on 30 Jul 2008 at 12:07 am:
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    I thought we had a gang task force to deal with all of this.

  2. Anonymous said on 30 Jul 2008 at 12:51 am:
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    You call the PWCPD about taggings on county property (flat branch bridge) and a week later they are still there. They have finally been cleaned up but being there for almost a week is a bit much.

  3. me-n-u said on 30 Jul 2008 at 12:52 am:
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    Here is some more gang graffiti. This is all very recent.
    http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=refreshPhotos&albumID=561669970&security=OfmqBg

  4. me-n-u said on 30 Jul 2008 at 12:58 am:
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    It was only cleaned up because someone from one of the neighborhood watches in the area took the time to call VDOT themselves. If she hadn’t taken the initiative, it would still be there.

    I would love to thank them by name but I’m not sure if they would want that info out on a blog. Thank you any way!

  5. me-n-u said on 30 Jul 2008 at 12:58 am:
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    Anonymous, Can’t sleep either?

  6. ateacher said on 30 Jul 2008 at 2:08 am:
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    Actually the first picture says emes13, short for eme ese, which is spanish for the letters MS, and emes sounds like MS. I learned this on a site about gang tattoos.

  7. Ducky said on 30 Jul 2008 at 5:24 am:
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    Sounds like the Rule of Law Resolution has been a smashing success!

  8. Anonymous said on 30 Jul 2008 at 5:50 am:
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    So Ducky, all sarcasm aside, just think how bad things would be if the majority of illegals hadn’t been persuaded to leave! Use some common sense for once and be thankful for the Resolution before you become a gang victim by chance. No one is totally immune.

  9. NoVA Scout said on 30 Jul 2008 at 7:32 am:
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    Anon: did the “majority of illegals” leave PW? How many was that? How many stayed? How many were there to begin with? What percentage of gang members are illegals? How much of this “marking” behavior reflects actual gang activity, as opposed to graffiti/vandalism stuff? I don’t know the answers to these questions. But you do. Share the wealth.

  10. long time said on 30 Jul 2008 at 8:20 am:
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    Know many people who moved out of Manassas to gated communities in Gainesville/Haymarket to avoid their kids encountering gangs & drugs. Seems it didn’t work. Hopefully they’ll now speak up and work to support our community

  11. Maureen said on 30 Jul 2008 at 8:34 am:
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    NoVA Scout, Police estimate that 85 to 95% of gang members are illegal. If you talk to any gang taskforce officer they will tell you that all gang graffiti needs to be taken seriously and to always call the police when you see it. If these gangs weren’t a problem, we would not need a gang taskforce now would we?

  12. Vienna Mom said on 30 Jul 2008 at 8:37 am:
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    I want to thank whomever took the graffiti pictures and took the time to decipher them. This is very helpful.

  13. PWCHomeowner said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:16 am:
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    The Altmed medical center is a disaster. Perhaps we should all email the supervisors and have them address this pronto.

  14. DPortM said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:25 am:
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    Anonymous @ 7:37 am.

    I am not quite sure what lie you are talking about in your post.

    The facts:

    The taggings remained after the 72-hour standard removal time.

    The Neighborhood Watch coordinator for Westgate placed a call to the Clean Community Council, who had not been advised of the graffiti on the bridge because the police failed to notify them.

    The Neighborhood Watch coordinator then called VDOT, who came out and cleaned up the problem.

    I suggest you focus on positive things instead of making baseless accusations about “lies” relating to the tagging.

    If you want people to know that you were the one who notified the Neighborhood Watch coordinator about the graffiti, just come out and say who you are so everyone will know.

  15. anonymous said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:28 am:
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    The county needs to take over maintainence of this property and send the owners of the property the bill. Obviously the owners aren’t responsible enough to take care of it. Part of the problem at old Alt-med it that there are so many weeds and tall bushes, it attracts this type of behavior. Ugly property attracts ugly behavior, just like vacant houses do.

  16. monticup said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:30 am:
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    NoVAScout: With all due respect, those are idiotic questions designed to deflect attention from the problems of illegal aliens, gang or no gang. Sounds like you condone graffitti–are you one of those “graffitti is art” lefties?

    You pretend to seek information but more facts would just confuse you.

  17. Howard the Duck said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:34 am:
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    “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” -Winston Churchill

  18. Brian Leeper said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:38 am:
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    According to Heather Mac Donald, Senior Fellow, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald04-13-05.htm

    No one knows for certain the percentage of illegals in gangs, thanks in large part to sanctuary laws themselves. But various estimates exist:

    –A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations. It commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

    –Immigration and Customs Enforcement conservatively puts the number of illegals in Mara Salvatrucha as a “majority;” police officers, by contrast, assert that the gang is overwhelmingly illegal.

    –Law enforcement officials estimate that 20% of gang members in San Diego County are illegal, according to the Union-Tribune.

    – The L.A. County Sheriff reported in 2000 that 23% of inmates in county jails were deportable, according to the New York Times.

    –The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around Los Angeles’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.

    – In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens.

    –The Los Angeles Police Department arrests about 2500 criminally-convicted deportees annually, reports the Los Angeles Times.

  19. Brian Leeper said on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:42 am:
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012403025.html

    “The study found that 25 to 50 percent of gang members in Northern Virginia and western parts of the state are believed to be deportable immigrants. Vaughan said that because data varied by jurisdictions, the finding was based mostly on interviews with law enforcement agencies, with Rockingham County officials giving the lower estimate and Fairfax County officials the higher one.”

  20. G Man said on 30 Jul 2008 at 11:08 am:
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    Brian, Yes but those statistics are for ALL types of gangs. The last few sentences of that article indicates:

    “Among the study’s other findings was that immigration enforcement officers have arrested more members of the gang Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, in Virginia than in any other ICE jurisdiction.

    Of the 341 gang members arrested by ICE in the state between February 2005 and September 2007, almost 80 percent were members of MS-13, the study found. Gang investigators estimate that 90 percent of the members of that gang are illegal immigrants, the study said.”

    So the number of illegal aliens are much greater in gangs like MS-13.

  21. Brian Leeper said on 30 Jul 2008 at 11:36 am:
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    Thanks, I overlooked that part of the article.

  22. Free Citizen said on 30 Jul 2008 at 11:43 am:
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    me-n-u

    Those photos sure tell alot and the law abiding citizens need to get on the ball and insist on this all coming to a haut.

    This is racism against all American Citizens and it can not go on.

    Those that promote these types of actions are no better than the ones smearing up our property.

  23. Anonymous said on 30 Jul 2008 at 1:13 pm:
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    There is grafitti on a utility box on Route 1 near Cardinal Drive — looks like a face with 3 eyes and a flat mouth. This sits right next to the sign for the county’s eastern dist. police station at the next turn.

    Grafitti has been there about a year despite having been reported to the clean community council, including by sitting supervisors.

  24. Maureen said on 30 Jul 2008 at 1:17 pm:
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    I know neighborhood services is looking at the Altmed property. The problem with that property is, Wachovia bank owns it now and I am sure they are not willing to do much about it. So now N.S. needs to go through the proper channels to have something done about the property and that will take time.

  25. C. Armstrong said on 30 Jul 2008 at 1:22 pm:
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    Folks: I am the person that took the pixs from the Taco Bell…what a disaster this has been. I first noticed the taggings on 18 July and immediately contacted the PW Police. Very unhelpful and very uninterested. After a couple days and the taggings were there, I sent emails to Mike May (Occoquan Supervisor) and of course, Corey Stewart asking for help and to date, I have not heard a single word from either of them. THEN, I contacted the Clean Community Council who indicated that had no knowledge of these taggings. These folks were at least open to listening to me. They indicated that the way things are sapose to work is that the citizen calls the police, the police go out and take pictures to give to the gang task force and the Clean Community Council. The owners of the establishment are then required to remove the graffiti. However, this young lady said that oftentimes the graffiti is slow to come down “because things continue as business as usual.” I’m not sure what that meant. I eventually contacted Greg for assistance. Yesterday, I drove by the Taco Bell and all the taggings are up there STILL. I was furious and once again called the police to express my displeasure that nearly 2 weeks later, there is still graffiti up. What I’m waiting for now, is for a rival gang to do their taggings OVER the original graffiti…..I’m disgusted right now with the Police and the Supervisors.

  26. CitizenofManassas said on 30 Jul 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    Seems to me this is just another benefit to having illegal aliens in the Community. Adding art work that Americans would not do themselves to the community is something we need to embrace.

  27. CitizenofManassas said on 30 Jul 2008 at 2:36 pm:
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    Hey NOVA,

    Since you are asking for answers, how about answering the questions I asked you to provide in this thread. http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/23/victims-the-washington-post-cares-nothing-for/#comments

    Don’t ask people for answers, when you are in fact not willing to provide answers.

    Speaking of pro criminals… Does anyone know what has happened to Dolph?

  28. G Man said on 30 Jul 2008 at 2:38 pm:
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    I recommend following up on your email with a call to Mike May’s office. I think that will be more effective. His number is: 703-792-4643

  29. me said on 30 Jul 2008 at 4:32 pm:
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    Can we have everyone call the local Taco Bell and their head office about their lack of action to clean up their own site

  30. Anonymous said on 30 Jul 2008 at 4:55 pm:
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    “police must start paying attention to this new threat”.

    This is not a new threat. It has been an on going problem for awhile now. The police have not paid attention in the past, what makes you think they will pay attention now?

  31. Battlecat said on 30 Jul 2008 at 6:21 pm:
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    So at the intersection of Glenkirk and Linton Hall there’s some “art” about “Blood Drops”, which last time I checked was the child of a member of the UBN. I imagine it’s a coincidence, but it’s a pretty good coincidence! Ah, when the kiddies are on summer vacation!

  32. Wolverine said on 30 Jul 2008 at 6:42 pm:
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    Up here in Loudoun County we keep hearing from “official sources” that only a miniscule percentage of the gangs are composed of illegal immigrants. I’ve been wondering about that. Gee, now I understand. All those “illegal” gang members are in Prince William County and other jurisdictions. If that doesn’t beat all! Hold it a moment while I get my tongue out of my cheek.

  33. CitizenofManassas said on 30 Jul 2008 at 10:21 pm:
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    Hey Nova,

    Instead of trying to get others to answer questions, why don’t you answer mine that I left for you in this thread? http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/07/23/victims-the-washington-post-cares-nothing-for/#comments

  34. Brian Leeper said on 31 Jul 2008 at 1:30 am:
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    “There is grafitti on a utility box on Route 1 near Cardinal Drive — looks like a face with 3 eyes and a flat mouth.”

    I saw graffiti very similar to what you describe years ago on a utility box in Manassas City. I know for a fact it was in Manassas City because their electric utility department is the only one around here that uses fiberglass transformer enclosures, and that’s what it was on. (Neither NOVEC nor Dominion use them that I’ve ever seen).

    I believe it was either off Hastings Drive or Liberia.

    This had to have been over 10 years ago. It was there quite a while, too.

  35. Ducky said on 31 Jul 2008 at 3:19 am:
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    How can one grumble that illegals are responsible for gang activity citing empirical evidence, whilst also whining that law enforcement cannot inquire about individuals’ legal status? That makes no sense.

  36. Bridget said on 31 Jul 2008 at 8:40 am:
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    The Gang Member Defense; It’s not personal, it’s business:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2053197/posts

    http://www.srislawyer.com/PracticeAreas/Criminal-Gang-Defense-Attorneys.asp

  37. Maureen said on 31 Jul 2008 at 10:49 am:
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    Ducky ask the state police how they get their figures.

  38. monticup said on 31 Jul 2008 at 10:53 am:
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    Ducky, you’re talking nonsense again. You make no sense.

  39. Mark H said on 31 Jul 2008 at 3:04 pm:
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    Just disgusting. I have lived in Manassas for 30 years, not born but definitely raised and live there. All these areas were stomping grounds of my youth, and to see them defaced and destroyed by an invading illegal army of terrorists disgusts me. We need some new laws in this country and we need them fast, we need to declare all gangs as Terrorists and bring down the full might of our military upon them. We keep fighting terrorists abroad but forget about the worst kind that terrorize domestically. And not to forget about our own home grown terrorists like our all famous, mafias and biker gangs like the Hell’s Angels, those former militray turn turncoat traitors and bike gangs need dealing with just as much as the illegals, and don’t forget about one of the oldest, the KKK and Arian Nation. Sickos they all are.

  40. New Dawn said on 31 Jul 2008 at 3:11 pm:
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    Some people seem to think that all of this is B.S. and these gangs are harmless. I wish those that think that would explain to everyone why we have gang task forces in NOVA if that is the case.I guess they don’t remember the machette(sp?) attacks or the murders that these gang members have done. Yup just something we have all made up!

  41. DeMann said on 31 Jul 2008 at 4:05 pm:
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    I think that we need to be a little understanding of these hispanic gang members. I am sure that the graffitti writting that they do desacrating billboards, buildings and bridges is only an attempt to work on their writting skills. As we have read, a majority of this hispanics coming into our country do not have high school educations and if they do, I would not put much merit in the quality of their education system anyway. The more graffiti that they complete the better that they may be to succeed in this country.

  42. New Dawn said on 31 Jul 2008 at 11:43 pm:
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    Since I’m relatively new to this, can someone tell me if a question is asked of a poster do they usually reply to it? It doesn’t seem like it.

    NOVA was asked a couple of questions on here and I also noticed on that other blog that they have been asking people questions that aren’t anwsered.

  43. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 1 Aug 2008 at 8:52 am:
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    Think about it New Dawn, maybe the person being asked the question is ignoring the person asking the question. I personally ignore a couple of people here because they come on and start crap and then leave once it is at a boil. I do not want to satisfy their need for attention. Seems to me, IMHO, the person always asking someone to answer a question and the person is not answering it, they do not want to talk to them or fuel their continued “stirring of the pot”.

  44. New Dawn said on 1 Aug 2008 at 10:13 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 That makes sense.

  45. DPortM said on 1 Aug 2008 at 3:11 pm:
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    I just witnessed a momentous event. The police were called about trespassers on the vacant property immediately adjacent to the Coverstone 7-11. It took the police 5 minutes to arrive (great response time) - and they arrested one of the two individuals who didn’t vacate the area upon seeing the police car.

    Kudos to the PWC Police Department!!!!

  46. me-n-u said on 1 Aug 2008 at 3:31 pm:
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    The response time for the police at that property has been very good. It probably has something to do with the stabbing that happened at the 7-11 last month. Does anyone know about that?
    Hopefully word will spread about the arrest and the day laborers will quit hanging out there.

  47. ateacher said on 1 Aug 2008 at 8:40 pm:
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    If you really want to learn something about gang signs and gang society just get on google and discover that gangs have their own blogs, there is even a web site called last combat.com that has videos of intergang fights. Gangs have gone the way of the internet, they are actually quite technologically savy. They may tag our neighborhoods, and they have my space accounts.

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