Marty Nohe, The “Examiner” For Illegal Aliens
By Greg L | 4 August 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 79 Comments
Manassas City Police Chief Skinner gave a report to the Manassas City Council this evening that all was going well with the Section 287(g) Program, that ICE is not trying to change the kinds of offenders they will accept, and that ICE is removing illegal aliens every two days from the Prince William County Adult Detention Center. Despite the success of the program and ICE’s willingness to live up to their obligations, Coles Supervisor Martin Nohe is making dire predictions that the program bears watching, as reported in the DC Examiner recently. Marty is starting to look like a vulture searching for something dead, and getting frustrated that there’s no roadkill.
Nohe said the board would to closely monitor the status of the crackdown to make sure the county is targeting violent felons, rather than people guilty of civil violations.
“Whether your immigration violation is a federal crime or not, your [criminal violation] is a crime based on immigration code,” Nohe said. “We’re going to closely examine and re-examine everything to do with immigration.”
Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement has given the county $779,175 to help pay for the crackdown. The Board of Supervisors is scheduled to vote Tuesday on whether to put that money into the fiscal 2008 budget, thus covering the shortfall.
It’s worth noting that the federal money under the Criminal Alien Assistance Program has increased about 50% as the number of illegal aliens has grown in the ADC. ICE is removing them punctually and paying the tab when we’re responsible for them at the local level, but Nohe wants to constantly “examine and re-examine everything.” One might make the mistake of thinking that Nohe is just looking for an opportunity to gut the program, and make it easier for unscrupulous businesses (like Verizon subcontractors) to avail themselves of cheap illegal alien labor.
Never mind that Prince William County taxpayers are going to pay about ten million dollars less to educate illegal aliens next budget cycle due to less school overcrowding and reduced demands for expensive ESOL programs. Just disregard that there are fewer unlicensed illegal alien drivers making our roads less safe and imposing monetary losses (at least) on local residents. Don’t bother with American citizens not having to wait in back of the line while illegal aliens take up slots for public benefits. Marty Nohe is “examining” to make sure illegal aliens aren’t subjected to too many burdens. How nice of him.
I just have to wonder how many illegal aliens voted for Marty Nohe in the last election, since he seems to think they’re his constituency. So far I’ve heard nothing about Marty Nohe “examining and re-examining” the problems experienced by his constituents that are actually eligible to vote, and who have had to suffer the effect of illegal immigration for so many years. Sometimes, you got to wonder who Marty Nohe is actually working for.
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WOW, and here I thought you guys were friends!
Good story Greg.
Greg, I’m disappointed in your misinterpretation of my words. Nowhere in this article (or any other that I know of) have I suggested that we should do away with any aspect of our current anti-illegal-immigration program, nor have I suggested that I expect that anything will make me change my mind about that in the foreseeable future.
I compeletly agree that the 287g program at the ADC has proven to be a real success in removing criminal illegal aliens from our community. The 287g program in our Police Department is not as long-standing as that at the jail, so there is less information about the results, but the early indications we have gotten from Chief Deane are VERY promising and I look forward to getting more detailed information from him in September. I anticipate a very good report card. But it is important to be clear that both of these programs are designed to target illegal aliens who have also violated the criminal code and give us less in the way of legal tools to address the challenge of illegal aliens who have violated the civil code. One could certainly argue that the program could be more effective if it were structured differently, but it is not.
In this article, I stated (correctly) that “We entered (our anti-illegal-immigration program) knowing that we didn’t have enough money,” and we had to make adjustments to our budget later. On Tuesday, the Board will be allocating money from the federal government to cover some of those costs. Given the uncertainty of future federal funding for 287g program (that you have addressed on this blog), we have to watch the budget carefully and make sure that we are getting thr best bang for the taxpayers’ buck because failure to do so could result in a less effective program. Or in other words, we will have to “closely examine and re-examine everything to do with immigration” to make sure that we are doing it right.
Because I know that our Board of Elections does a great job training our Election Day volunteers, I am confident that no illegal aliens voted for me in the last election. But I am also confident that those US citizens who DID vote for me want me to continue to implement effective policies to address illegal immigration in our community, and to be constantly vigilent that the funds we dedicate to the program are spent wisely in these times of fiscal strain. That is what I meant when I said that we have to closely examine everything that we do, and I am sure that you will agree with my desire to see our govenment programs operate effectively and efficiently.
Thank you-
Marty Nohe
The best “bang” for the “taxpayers buck” would be to do whatever it takes to rid this county of all illegal aliens!
Mr. Nohe,
Would you agree that the tax payers have saved more money on education, healthcare, and other benefits than we have spent on this program?
Thanks,
Mrs. K
Ooooo…How dare Mr. Nohe want to examine and think carefully about things affecting the community…the nerve:)
Mr. Nohe,
I for one don’t believe a word you say, and don’t trust you. You seem to be a typical politician who plays games with and manipulates his constituents rather than shooting straight and narrowing the gap between your real agenda and the reality people live in.
The Rule of Law and associated efforts to provide disincentive for illegal aliens to settle in my County (PWC) are yielding very positive benefits, financially and in terms of quality of life. It’s no secret. I’m sure that you get plenty of feedback on this issue. But you keep flitting around the edges, looking to undermine any aspect of this that you can, and to get your name in the paper.
A person would have to be well beyond naive not to understand your true feelings, position, and loyalty on this issue. You’re corrupt, bought and sold. Would that you had the guts to express what you really believe and how you really feel.
It’s not your job to lead us towards an “economic growth” spiral if it results in degradation of life for your constituents - you know, the ones who have less money than you, who keep telling you how their neighborhoods and way of life have been badly affected by the illegal influx. Now, I’m sure the view looks quite different from the penthouse. But I for one would appreciate it if you would show some appreciation for the “Rule of Law” and fairness in civilized society, and just keep your mouth shut on these issues for as long as your constituents have to bear your ostensible representation. Even if you and yours make less money in the short term.
“Rick Bentley”
Mr. Nohe,
I too would like to know how much less our county will spend on education since the start of the resolution of law. It will be interesting to see what if any comments the BOCS will make when the Schools turn in their numbers in September for total students for budgeting purposes.
Thanks,
Dave in PWC
Mr. Nohe,
In these times of fiscal strain, are we the taxpayers footing the bill for Spanish translators anywhere in PWC government? Are we paying even one penny for documents to be printed or recorded by any method in Spanish? I actually don’t know the answer and I am curious about that.
Marty talking out of both sides of his mouth……again. He says a whole lot of nothing. Trying to please everyone. Do you have any convictions?
“Because I know that our Board of Elections does a great job training our Election Day volunteers, I am confident that no illegal aliens voted for me in the last election.”
It’s not about fraudulent voting, Mr. Nohe. It’s about the illegals’ EMPLOYERS contributing to and influencing OUR elected officials’ decisions and actions. Hopefully, you are not one of those officials.
We pay the bill for Spanish translators all over the County, in all braches of government and in our schools. And frankly if we just drew a line in the sand and stopped that altogether it would be a positive thing for our community.
But then the cheap labor, oh excuse me I mean the non-English speaking undocumented persons might leave en masse. Mr. Nohe’s Chamber of Commerce friends wouldn’t like that.
Those people work cheap - and they buy goods, like the ones Mr. Nohe sells at his appliance store. I’m sure business went up as the population went up.
So, grin and bear it. By the way our County’s website is bilingual, and all callers to County hotlines can be served in English or Spanish. The language you speak in PWC is a lifestyle choice, like deciding what color shirt to wear in the morning. Don’t you just love it?
By contrast the 287(g) initiative isn’t helping Mr. Nohe or his Chamber of Commerce buddies to make more money - it may actually be impeding their growth potential. So that’s where he looks to pinch pennies.
If illegal aliens rape or murder, Mr. Nohe doesn’t want to sell them appliances. Good to know. You can’t say the man doesn’t have principles.
Short of that though all bets are off.
What Rick Bentley said on 5 Aug 2008 at 7:55 am - We pay the bill for Spanish translators…
We pay the bill because a large percentage of our population (PWC and USA) are legal residents and speak spanish as a primary language (just as many of our parents and grandparents spoke their native language while the next generation fully assimilated.) Government operates in a “free market” just like business. It responds to the needs of the people it serves. I believe DMV (and other state agencies) will arrange to give a driver’s test in any required language upon request (as it should).
Many of the people the Government serves need translation services. The arguement about english only discriminates against newly arrived legal immigrants trying for the same opportunities that brought our ancesters here.
I do love it. A Government that serves “all the people” is good Government.
Mr Nohe, have you any idea why those who read your words seem to think they ring hollow? Do you suppose it has anything to do with your past actions on the BOCS?
For the record, Mr Nohe: Yes, we want our tax dollars spent wisely, that is a responsibility of yours. However, we want the Rule of Law enforced…not whittled away to support less important programs as you and your bud, Principi, as well as a few others did during the recent budget hearings.
Oh, and one more thing, Mr Nohe, regardless of political party, we want those who refuse to support the removal of illegal alien criminals from our county returned to role of general county citizen.
Thanks, Rick,
I suspected as much, but didn’t actually know. So, Mr. Hohe, there’s a nice big fat piece of savings for you! There’s a nice fat piece of savings for us all! Heck, Mr. Nohe, I’ve lots of similar ideas to save the county and it’s TAXPAYERS all sorts of money! You ever need any help spotting abuse and waste, you just holler at me!
Let me get this straight “Adam” - do you think we have a lot of legal residents who don’t speak Enghlish and who don’t have a friend or family member who speaks English who can help them? Just how high a percentage of our legal residents do you think that is?
Or is it your contention that even if they CAN speak English, we should provide a translator because after all they might prefer to speak Spanish and letting them do so would be the cool, tolerant thing to do?
I’d like to see some statistics on this, some empirical evidence before we spend another dime on translators. I note the paucity of translators for any language other than Spanish.
Please don’t say again that our Government operates in a free market, like a business, as if each of us had a real say or vote. You made me laugh and almost choke on my Cheerios. That’s a good one.
Totally agree with BattleCat and I think we should make translation services a political target and issue.
Now for the Hussien Obama folks out there, I’m not an English bigot. I’m learning German as hard and as thoroughly as I can. Why? Because many scholarly articles and journals out there in the fields of science, technology, and engineering are in either in English or German. Next to English, German is the language of engineering, science, and technology (in the Western Hemisphere, that is). But I’m not asking PWC to print things in German.
I’m going to start asking for a translator. I want to know how to speak spanish, so I’m going to start doing my bussiness in the county in spanish! Wouls they do that for me? An English speaking citizen that wants to have everything translated into spanish?
It looks like PWC has their own “Don Pepe” Tejada problem, in the person of Marty Nohe. He should tell his illegal alien friends they can easily avoid assimilation by migrating to Arlington.
What Rick Bentley said on 5 Aug 2008 at 8:15 am: Let me get this straight “Adam” …
I don’t have to answer your question; the County answered it for me by providing translation services. There’s a need. Not to fill that need would deny County residents access to services for which they pay taxes and to which they are entitled.
While your opinion is noted, it’s moot.
“Not to fill that need would deny County residents access to services for which they pay taxes and to which they are entitled.”
Any figures as to the number of legal residents that use these services vs. illegal residents? Otherwise, your point on paying taxes for these services is moot.
“Government operates in a “free market” just like business. It responds to the needs of the people it serves.”
Like I said, the function of the govt. is to serve its tax paying citizens and while it operates in a free market, it is not profit driven. Self preservation of elected individuals trumps profit and in many cases, the will of the people. The govt. is a political animal so the people it is supposed to serve are sometimes an after thought behind political contributions and back door deals for personal gain.
And yours is asinine. Paying taxes entitles one to translation services in the language of their choice?
Great comment, New Dawn!
English for Official Language. Now.
Here is a number 29.2% of PWC residents speak a language other than English at home. Only 70.2% of PWC households speak English at home. 17.3% speak Spanish, 4.9% speak a Indo-European language, 5% speak an Asian or Pacific Island language, and 2% speak a language other than those classified.
I want to make sure that I understand this. You folks are suggesting that we make it more difficult to impossible for 30% of county residents to fully participate in their government. Or is is just the 17% who speak Spanish that we should be denying services to? I mean almost half of the non-English speakers don’t speak Spanish. Are they alright or do we need to go after them too? I just want to make sure that it is clear whether I am supposed to deny services to all 30% of non-English speakers or just the 17% of Spanish speakers?
You don’t understand it at all. Some of us don’t want to pay for any services for illegal residents. What percentage of our LEGAL residents don’t speak English? And of those, what percentage don’t have a family member or friend who could translate for them? And of those, what’s the language breakdown?
The whole purpose of providing translators seems to me to be to present a red carpet to illegal aliens (to paraphrase Gerry Connoly).
Residents of the U.S. should speak English. Those who wish to be proficient should speak it exclusively. It is part of the assimilation process. Those who want to be citizens must become Americans.
What Rick Bentley said on 5 Aug 2008 at 9:38 am: Paying taxes entitles one to translation services in the language of their choice?
Actually, you don’t have to pay taxes to benefit from this service.
By the way, we don’t necessarily choose our language. We tend to be born into a culture that dictates the language we use. It’s arrogant not to respect the nature of the pluralistic society that we have become and the multiple languages, religions, races and cultures that comprise our society.
“Nohe said the board would to closely monitor the status of the crackdown to make sure the county is targeting violent felons, rather than people guilty of civil violations.”
Does this mean that Nohe doesn’t think we need to target the 30-person overcrowded houses destroying otherwise nice neighborhoods? Because 30-persons in a house, making loud noises all night, and leering at your 10-year old daughter are not felonys.
I’m not sure Nohe realizes what got this issue to come to a head. It really isn’t just the felons, it’s the destruction of our neighborhoods by overcrowded houses that affects most of us.
The 2011 BOCS election campaign has already started. Marty and Wally (showing up at film screenings with the anti crowd), along with Caddigan, Principi, and Jenkins want to portray the Stirrup Resolution and 287(g) program as expensive failures. They see Corey and John as vulnerable and want to drive the knife in. I can’t figure out where Mike May stands yet.
Unless something unexpected happens at the state level that creates an opportunity for Corey to run for Lt. Gov. (unlikely) he runs for reelection as BOCS chair. Wally, Marty and their buds in the Regional Chamber, along with the developers, want Corey and John out. By 2011 the real estate market will have recovered and the developers want free reign again as they had under Connaughton. They, along with the Regional Chamber, want the cheap illegal alien labor, and the demand the illegals bring for appliances, etc.
You read it here first. Marty or Wally challenge Corey for chair in 2011 and try to restore the BOCS to their “good ole days” of the gang of five who rubber-stamped everything the developers and business community wanted, at the expense of the taxpayers of Prince William County.
“Does this mean that Nohe doesn’t think we need to target the 30-person overcrowded houses destroying otherwise nice neighborhoods? Because 30-persons in a house, making loud noises all night, and leering at your 10-year old daughter are not felonys.
I’m not sure Nohe realizes what got this issue to come to a head. It really isn’t just the felons, it’s the destruction of our neighborhoods by overcrowded houses that affects most of us.”
True, true, true. Now please understand this also - it’s a key to understanding how both our political parties work at the Federal, State, and Local levels -
Those 30 person houses fuel the “growth” that keeps Nohe’s Chamber of Commerce friends in yachts and champagne, and keeps his own franchises pulling in money hand over fist. That means a lot more to people like Nohe, who make the decisions that impact our lives, than anything you could ever communicate to him.
“It’s arrogant not to respect the nature of the pluralistic society that we have become and the multiple languages, religions, races and cultures that comprise our society.”
Multiple religions - yes
Multiple “races” - yes
Multiple cultures - arguably a bad thing, but yes
Multiple languages - no I do not and will not accept that, just so that Nohe’s friends can have an endless supply of cheap labor and escalating home prices.
“By the way, we don’t necessarily choose our language. ”
Collectively, we do and we can.
What about the misdemeanor DUI? All it takes is one time to kill or maim. To most citizens this would be one of the “worst of the worst”. Is it to Marty? What about exposing yourself while urinating in public? We should not have to put up with any of this. To not get in trouble because it isn’t a felony is just not right. It also isn’t protecting the residents of PWC.
Isn’t it part of the supervisor’s job to make policy to keep us safe? Marty you have been trying to water down this resolution for a long time now. Those video clips of 9500 Liberty has shown all of us your true colors. Every time you talk to the press you dig a bigger hole for yourself.
Adam Smith said on 5 Aug 2008 at 8:08 am:
We pay the bill because a large percentage of our population (PWC and USA) are legal residents and speak spanish as a primary language (just as many of our parents and grandparents spoke their native language while the next generation fully assimilated.)
There were no translation services et al for the many immigrants that arrived in this country at the turn of the century and there were none until we started to be invaded by the Mexican and Central American hordes. Where are the documents in German, French, Russian, Vietnameese, Korean. There aren’t any because these people learned English and assimilated. The Spanish speakers refuse and demand services to which they are not entitled.
Or they bring their own translators. They do not burden the government.
My wishes for the day :
1. A full accounting of how much money PWC could save if we stopped translating services
2. Mr. Nohe and everyone else on the Chamber of Commerce has a home near them, preferably with an attached wall, turned into a flophouse
3. Our government takes the very small steps necessary to stop illegal immigration, and funds them on the backs of the illegal aliens themselves and the employers who hire them
IllegalisILLEGAL said “Marty you have been trying to water down this resolution for a long time now.”
This last change was proposed by Chairman Corey Stewart. Watch the tape. STEWART makes the proposal after they came out of their “15 minute” break. STEWART make the proposal, STIRRUP formally made the motion and Nohe seconded it. If you want to be mad at someone for “watering down” the resolution, aim it at the right people- STEWART AND STIRRUP. Those are your final draft authors.
Oh by the way, as far as the money thing goes. Corey Stewart was the one who proposed RAISING TAXES. You can talk all day long about how much providing services to people who may or may not be illegal immigrants costs the county, but I can give you an exact amount as to how much COREY STEWART’S TAX INCREASE was going to cost me personally. If the resolution was supposed to save us 10’s of millions of dollars, why did Corey Stewart feel he had to raise taxes to fund it?
Talk about true colors. Corey Stewart has shown his. High Taxes! Watering Down the Resolution!
FYI
Interpreters in the courts are actually mandated by State Law. If you want to change that you need to talk to your state reps. Of interest is the fact the Judge MAY actually charge the defendant with the cost for the interpreter but I have never seen anyone charged.
Here is the State Text.
§ 8.01-384.1:1. Interpreters for non-English-speaking persons in civil cases.
A. In any trial, hearing or other proceeding before a judge in a civil case in which a non-English-speaking person is a party or witness, an interpreter for the non-English-speaking person may be appointed by the court. A qualified English-speaking person fluent in the language of the non-English-speaking person may be appointed by the judge of the court in which the case is to be heard unless the non-English-speaking person shall obtain a qualified interpreter of his own choosing who is approved by the court as being competent.
B. To the extent of available appropriations, the compensation of such interpreter shall be fixed by the court in accordance with guidelines set by the Judicial Council of Virginia and shall be paid from the general fund of the state treasury as part of the expense of trial. The amount allowed by the court to the interpreter may, in the discretion of the court, be assessed against either party as a part of the cost of the case and, if collected, the same shall be paid to the Commonwealth.
C. Whenever a person communicates through an interpreter to any person under such circumstances that the communications would be privileged, and such persons could not be compelled to testify as to the communications, this privilege shall also apply to the interpreter. The provisions of this section shall apply in circuit courts and district courts.
(1996, c. 559; 2003, c. 1011.)
§ 19.2-164. Interpreters for non-English-speaking persons.
In any criminal case in which a non-English-speaking person is the accused, an interpreter for the non-English-speaking person shall be appointed. In any criminal case in which a non-English-speaking person is a victim or witness, an interpreter shall be appointed by the judge of the court in which the case is to be heard unless the court finds that the person does not require the services of a court-appointed interpreter. An English-speaking person fluent in the language of the country of the accused, a victim or a witness shall be appointed by the judge of the court in which the case is to be heard, unless such person obtains an interpreter of his own choosing who is approved by the court as being competent. The compensation of an interpreter appointed by the court pursuant to this section shall be fixed by the court in accordance with guidelines set by the Judicial Council of Virginia and shall be paid from the general fund of the state treasury as part of the expense of trial. Such fee shall not be assessed as part of the costs unless (i) an interpreter has been appointed for the defendant, (ii) the defendant fails to appear, (iii) the interpreter appears in the case and no other case on that date, and (iv) the defendant is convicted of a failure to appear on that date the interpreter appeared in the case, then the court, in its discretion, may assess as costs the fee paid to the interpreter. Whenever a person communicates through an interpreter to any person under such circumstances that the communication would be privileged, and such person could not be compelled to testify as to the communications, this privilege shall also apply to the interpreter. The provisions of this section shall apply in both circuit courts and district courts.
(Code 1950, § 19.1-246.1; 1966, c. 240; 1974, c. 110; 1975, c. 495; 1978, c. 601; 1982, c. 444; 1985, c. 396; 1995, c. 546; 1996, c. 402; 2003, c. 1011; 2007, c. 383.)
English Speaker said on 5 Aug 2008 at 10:57 am:
English Speaker wondered off the anti site and got lost over here…..shall we guess who she is?????
anon143 said “English Speaker wondered off the anti site and got lost over here…..shall we guess who she is?????”
One of the evil 3: Alanna, Elena, or Katherine.
Or….Moon-Howler…..
Naturalized citizens are required by federal law to speak, read and understand English. Period.
Balkanization is NOT the answer.
Mr. Nohe, I’d like you to examine the amount of money spent on court-appointed attorneys in the county, who represent for “free” (our tax $$) *indigent illegal aliens*.
Thank you.
I sure hope the voters wake up and vote Nohe out. He also needs his business investigated to see if there are any conflicts of interest in his recent pandering to the illegals. If Nohe tries to roll this back to only kick out the “felons” then he just doesn’t understand what is destroying communities.
Ninety-nine percent of what is destroying the communities are those civil offenses he thinks are no big deal. He seems to think 30 people pissing all over the lawn is no worse than when Nohe eats that extra twinkie during BOCS meetings…
Court interpreters may be mandated, but we are under no obligation to make every government resource bilingual.
Why we need the Rule of Law Resolution.
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MANASSAS CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT
PRESS RELEASE
August 5, 2008
Attempted Rape
On Saturday, August 2, 2008 at 5:22 a.m. officers responded to the 8700 block of Bretton Woods Drive in reference to an attempted rape that just occurred.
The victims, a 32-year-old female reported she had just arrived home from working the night shift. As she was sitting on her front steps smoking a cigarette a Hispanic male approached her putting a knife to her throat. The offender then grabbed the victim by the wrist forcibly pulling her off the steps pushing her to the ground at the side of the residence. The offender then attempted to pull down her pants. While the victim was fighting back she screamed for her roommate. When the offender heard the front door opening, he fled on foot toward Point of Woods Drive . Officers searched the area but were unable to locate the offender.
The victim was not injured.
The offender is described as being in his mid 30’s, approximately 5’5” tall, stocky in build, wearing a gray shirt and light blue jeans.
The Manassas City Crime Solvers will pay a cash reward up to $1000 for information that leads to an arrest in this case. The confidential 24-hour tip line is (703) 330-0330
When they catch the guy - if he is illegal - the victim should sue his employer and/or whoever is renting or giving him a room.
Should we offer government-paid translators and government-paid documents in languages other than English? No. Except where required by State and Federal law. This doesn’t mean that a non-profit organization or church or individuals can offer their services and/or websites to translate documents into English or provide on-site translators. I think that shows the Community being involved to assist non-English speakers.
As someone who has lived overseas and has learned to speak a few foreign languages, I remember well having to speak the language of the country where I was living as soon as I got off the plane or train. I remember the exhaustion, the headaches of not understanding, feeling helpless, but within six months, i remember being able to speak the language so well to be fluent. It takes hard work but immersion is the best way to learn a language. Most immigrants to our country must learn and know English well to be able to flourish. Why not encourage that on a local government level?
I meant “translate documents into other languages…”
The local Republican Committee would NEVER support Nohe or Covington over Stewart for BOCS Chair. He is too polarizing. Perhaps the local Democratic Committee will help Nohe out if that is his future plan.
Nohe or Covington’s only chance is if Stewart doesn’t run again and there is a large cadre of people who will do everything to make sure Stewart does run again.
English Speaker: It is absurd to suggest that Stewart is a tax raiser. He has a strong record of voting to lower the tax rate even when it is considered detrimental to county services. That is one label that no one can pin on him.
Stewart made the motion to raise taxes. Bucked tradition, gave away the gavel, and made the motion to raise taxes.
Marty Nohe is exhibiting the same criminal tendencies towards U.S. immigration law that the present majority of politicians in the two party system are exhibiting. What your duty is at this time Mr. Nohe, is to carefully make sure that EVERY illegal alien is deported from your jurisdiction, and if you refuse to do your duty, the citizenry must find someone who will.
Stewart did that to put the camera’s in the police cars. Which didn’t happen.
The question arises — what do conservatives do when Stewart eventually moves up from his current post? Stirrup comes immediately to mind, but what if he leaves to run for Wolf’s seat in 2 or 4 years?
As for others, don’t be so quick to lump Caddigan in with Nohe and Covington. She has sided with Stewart more often than not and was very strong in this last go-round in backing Stewart’s position. Rumor is that Caddigan will step down from her seat after this term that ends in 2011 (so she wouldn’t be in the running for the chairmanship anyway.)
Corey Stewart and John Stirrup are American heroes! The jury is still out on Mr Nohe. I hope he wakes up soon and smells the coffee. Mr Nohe (I know you’re reading this) if you want to redeem yourself in the eyes of most county residents, how bout taking on the overcrowding issue and make the county enforce the code? How about seriously going after employers at the day labor sites? One county employee sitting at the 7-eleven with a camera and posting license plates on the county web site (every day, not once for show) might close these third world labor markets down. We all KNOW 100% of them are ILLEGAL. You would be revered by all here if you would take up that mantle.
I’m so glad most of you PWC Republicans get it in regard to over-development and the scummy nature of big builders in general. You would all be considered traitorous RINOs by the old guard in the LCRC, who fortunately are in their death throes. Big developers are killing us in taxes, both from the infrastructure and schools required to serve them and the influx of illegal labor to take their profits to further absurd levels. Of course this has evened out a bit now, but Just the Facts had it right - they will be gunning for Stewart and Stirrup big time in the next election.
If Nohe and other supervisors were REALLY concerned about getting the most bang for the taxpayer’s buck, they’d revise the Rule of Law Resolution and require the County police to ask everyone they happen to come into contact with for verification of citizenship. That was the way the Resolution was originally written. That is the only way to avoid charges of racial profiling. No cameras needed. Eventually, ALL illegal aliens would be identified or they would leave PWC of their own accord. We would have 1/10 the ESOL students, crime would continue to plummet, we could jettison most of the translators we are now paying for, and we could go back to investing in infrastructure that pays dividends. But the slave masters (companies that hire the illegals) don’t want that. And their the people who contribute to Nohe’s (and others’) campaigns. If you want this County cleared out of Illegals, we’ll need replace Nohe, Principi, and anyone else who caters to their lobby. We can do that by putting up our own slate of HSM members in 2011 and saving up our pennies for campaing contributions. In the meantime, invest in guns and ammo. No one else is going to provide you protection from the invading hordes. Ask the poor mother in San Francisco who lost her husband and two sons to an AK-47-wielding Illegal Invader.
Sounds like Mr. Nohe has become the mouth piece for Charlie Deane on the Board of Supervisors.
Anonymous said on 5 Aug 2008 at 7:26 pm:
“Sounds like Mr. Nohe has become the mouth piece for Charlie Deane on the Board of Supervisors.”
No sounds like he is the mouth peice for the anti/9500 liberty crowd
Is Charlie Deane part of that crowd?
Marty said: “nor have I suggested that I expect that anything will make me change my mind about that in the foreseeable future.”
Huh? Do they send politicians to doublespeak 101?
Completely clueless as to what the perceived problem with Mr. Nohe’s comments or actions might be. It struck me when I read his comment that it was exquisitely crafted to cause no offense to anyone on any side of any issue. Is selling appliances a subtle way of encouraging illegal immigration? Rick Bentley thinks so. It takes a more subtle mind than mine to see that connection.
Advocator is very clear as to how far short of his/her goal the “Rule of Law” (I always have found that a very giggle-inducing label) Resolution fell. Advocator would like local cops doing sidewalk stops of every human to check them for federal immigration compliance. Bobby’s got his back. Doggone liberals. Send them to Constitutional re-education camps run by real conservatives.
Not in my community, please. I no doubt would have been shipped back to East Anglia (if not Jutland or Thuringia) weeks ago.
There’s nothing about the Constitution or the Revolution that requires the former Colonial Masters’ tongue to be spoken here. Democracy demands that all the citizens understand what the hell is going on. The current generation of immigrants is assimilating at a pace that is at least as fast as the 19th Century crowd of illegals managed. The seductive allure of a vulgar pop culture based on the English language will sweep all before it. Just spend a week in a hotel in Tashkent watching MTV and you’ll see how fast it’s all happening.
I’ve been disgusted with Nohe ever since spoke at Colgans glorified photo op at the Manassas VRE Station just days before the 2007 election, Bob FitzSimmonds should finance a primary opponent in the next supervisors race.
Perhaps Maureen should not be included in the list of those gunning for Corey and John. I like her most of the time. She’s not a consistent rubber stamp for the developers like Nohe, Covington and Jenkins. Principi signed the pledge to protect the Rural Crescent and voted against the guy wanting to run sewer to his property in the Rural Crescent, so he may work out. His dislike for Corey and John is obvious, however. My thinking on Maureen was based on her personal differences with Corey also and the animosities between the two, which I wish they would both get over.
The focus of debate in Prince William County will be returning to development in a year or two, as it was before the housing market collapse and mortgage crisis. Our economic problems now do not stem from the Rule of Law resolution – that’s absurd and such claims have no basis in fact. Illegal aliens contributed to the housing market problems in Prince William County, but are not the main cause of them.
We’re in this shape today because of irresponsible development policies of previous boards that created a glut of residential units in the County. In particular, under Connaughton the developers got virtually everything they wanted except in one case. In that instance, the Brentswood development proposal was so outrageous that citizens and responsible elected officials of both parties rose up to stop it. The developers went for broke in that case, however, because they had Connaughton, and his trusty sidekicks, Wally Covington and Marty Nohe, on their side.
Anyone who understands economics 101 can figure this out. Developers, aided and abetted by a willing BOCS, overbuilt and created a glut of housing. It worked for a while as long as the crooked mortgage brokers were writing loans to people, included illegal aliens, who should never have received them. They also sold “exotic” mortgages with teaser rates, resets, fees, etc. to qualified borrowers who didn’t understand what they were getting into and are now paying the price. When those scams fell apart, demand for housing crashed and we were left with the housing surplus. The only way to correct a surplus is for prices to fall, which is the process we’re going through now.
The housing market and the economy will turn around in the next year or two. Moreover, Prince William County is seen region-wide as the bedroom community of Northern Virginia, and has now an inventory of over 30,000 residential units (approved units that the developers can build anytime they want). The developers will be back in force for approval of even more. They will want a sycophant board like they had before, and that means getting rid of Corey and John. Let’s hope Maureen, Frank and Mike wear white hats too.
The illegal alien problem is tied inextricably to development. Some illegals work in restaurants and other service industries, but the bulk of them come here for work in construction. As soon as the housing market turns around, the developers, the Regional Chamber, Marty, Wally, John, etc. are going to want a BOCS that again rubber stamps their plans, trashes the Rural Crescent, eliminates proffers and impact fees, and does not enforce the law against their cheap, illegal work force.
The result for the vast majority of Prince William County citizens will be a return to increasing congestion, rising taxes from more residential units that don’t pay their own way, more crowding in schools, and a return to the illegal alien problems of the past as our neighborhoods face the return of the developers’ cheap labor.
That’s fine and dandy but to me the problem is illelgal aliens walking around lawlessly and untracked, and in overcrowded houses, eroding the tax base and ruining quality of life.
Someone started circulating flyers in Mexico telling people to come here. You might blame overdevelopment for creating a climate in which that could happen. But to me the core problem is the influx of illegal aliens. Get rid of the illegal aliens and leave us “overdeveloped” or having too many beds to your liking, I’m okay with that.
Just the Facts:
You got all that oh-so-right . Why don’t you run for supervisor? it would be especially helpful if you were in Nohe, Covington or Jenkin’s district.
“Just the Fact”, Amen
“Bentley”, You’re a moron.
Your Momma, Mom.
Rick – don’t get me wrong. I’m with you. I’ve had the same problems as everyone else of illegals overcrowding homes in my neighborhood, packing their driveways and our streets with 12+ cars for a three-bedroom house, transients damaging our cars and disappearing before the police can do anything about it, loud music blaring from their cars and stereos, etc. The situation has improved and some of the flop houses are for sale now but the problems have not gone away entirely.
These are the basic quality of life issues that apparently Marty feels don’t matter. If I could afford a big, private house with lots of space like Marty and Wally, perhaps I would not be so concerned about them either. However, as soon as Marty and Wally take public office, our problems become their problems. Their interests, however, lie more in keeping their donors, the developers, and other special interests happy.
This is a chicken-and-egg argument. Did greedy developers or illegals come first? I think that small, local developers who had been part of the community and cared about it dominated the market until the past decade or two. They hired local, experienced, trained construction people at fair wages. I have nothing against developers, per se. We all live in homes built by developers and one of my own family members is a custom home builder in another part of the state; but he meets the description I gave above.
The problems started when the big, mass production developers came in. They don’t give a squat about our community. They buy off local politicians (check out www.vpap.org to see for yourself), hire the cheapest labor they can find, throw up houses, condos, etc. as fast as they can and then move elsewhere, like locusts.
We all know that middle class wages and standards of living are falling in this country. The main culprit is corporations shifting jobs to low-wage, third-world workers. This occurs largely through global outsourcing. However, in industries such as construction, hospitality, etc. where the jobs can’t be outsourced overseas, cheap illegal labor is imported while the politicians (from the White House all the way to the Prince William County BOCS) who have been bought off look the other way and refuse to enforce our laws.
Instead of an experienced carpenter who is a long-time member of our community with a family here, our houses are now being built with the services of an untrained, illiterate illegal. That carpenter is now greeting shoppers at Wal-Mart and is unable to send his kids to college.
Anon – thanks for your kind words. I do live in one of those districts but have no idea what my schedule will be like then. No matter what, I am willing to devote some time to help elect someone who shares our values whether it is me or someone else. Maybe sometime Greg can get us all together.
Totally agree with that.
[His street] certainly seems to be blissfully unaffected by the property blight issues that are affecting many neighborhoods in the rest of the county.
I suppose Marty would take a different tune if he lived on, say, Lomond Drive (ignoring, of course, the fact that he would not be the Coles district supervisor if that were so).
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I don’t understand these criticisms of Nohe. He supports the efforts of Neighborhood Services, and in fact has suggested that they be re-categorized as under the Public Safety strategic goal, underlining the importance of property code enforcement and its relation to the public health, safety and welfare. Furthermore, there have been foreclosures on [his street], and his district has not been untouched by the real estate market downturn. And characterizing him as easy on developers seems incorrect as well; I have often heard him say that bad projects don’t make it out of his office. He makes it clear there is a lot of work to be done to make it acceptable and the developers drop the case or change it substantially. If it makes it to the Board, it’s because he negotiates the projects into ones that are beneficial to the community. It’s easy to be anti-growth and marginalize yourself by voting no on all land use applications. It’s much harder to wrestle with the case and exact changes from the developers, making the application one that is actually good for the community. Truly being hard on developers is forcing them to propose good projects and rewarding them when they do. It makes a much bigger impact on the development patterns than being a sure no-vote.
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Nohe got pressure from the chamber now he is back peddling on the illegal immigration issue. He is trying to please everyone by talking out of both sides of his mouth. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. He is the new hero for some people, well not me. I will NEVER vote for him again!
anonymouse:
“I have often heard him say that bad projects don’t make it out of his office.”
That is because he’s never met a project that he considered bad! Nohe has voted for to support more housing units than any sitting supervisor on the entire board including Jenkins, Caddigan and Covington (Hilda used to beat Marty’s record, but now she’s gone). And most of those were not in his district, leaving everyone else stuck with the impact.
Do you really think he takes all those donations and then tells the developers to take a hike? Here are the ones from the last few months from VPAP.org and this isn’t even an election year:
$5,000 Clemente Development Co Inc (Vienna)
$5,000 Jon M Peterson (Fairfax Station)
$3,150 C Daniel Clemente (McLean)
$3,000 Gary D Rappaport (Vienna)
$1,000 Theodore D Britt (Great Falls)
Except for Ted Britt, every single name on that list is a developer. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Nohe is absolutely in the pocket of developers.
Well anon, after the next election, he may NOT be in the pocket of developers….
Just the Facts, you are indeed a true conservative. The pro-growth types care nothing about quality of life issues and common working man, only for corporate profits, no matter what the cost.
anon, those figures are absolutely shocking for an off-election year! Even the scumbags in Loudoun County weren’t that brazen about accepting that kind of money in an off year. Disgusting.
“I have often heard him (Nohe) say that bad projects don’t make it out of his office.”
What’s the definition of *bad*? Developers who haven’t contributed to him, or aren’t his friends?