You have said that you want illegals with criminal records to be deported. Well, lets assume all of them have criminal records or 95% of them. What is another 5% that have to be deported? Would you then be opposed to deporting all illegals that have criminal records?

Amnesty is the forgiving of a crime or action. The fact that they are able to stay is in fact allowing them to benefit from their law breaking. Of course it is in the National interest to get rid of illegals.

I guess it depends on how one defines “amnesty” CoM.

Now where have I heard that sort of cagey relativity before? Oh, I remember! Just substitute the words “sex” or “it” for “amnesty.” So you’re right, Nova. In your own words, “you CAN say someone else is for almost anything if you define it to your own taste.”

You support amnesty since you would allow the “good” illegals to stay, which in case you missed it, they broke the law to get here. So, by allowing them to continue to stay here is in fact giving them amnesty. Citizens belong here and are not in fact breaking the law just by being here. To compare illegals with Citizens is just silly.

That you find entertaining what most people over the age of, say, 18, do not is no surprise.

Then you would not have to worry about amnesty because every illegal has broken at least one law. I just don’t understand why you think there are illegals who have not broken at least one law. Also, keep in mind since illegals are dishonest and immoral people, how do you know the “identity” they provide is really them?

And anon 1545: sure - there is an element of entertainment (beehive kicking) in this for me. Why else would I spend time on it?

That reminds me of a story. I once worked as a day laborer (really) and would get manual labor jobs by waiting at a gas station where contractors would come around and hire you for a day to do really back-breaking work. One of my jobs was as a ditch-digger. We were laying a water pipeline across several miles of rural landscape. It was damned hard work. The nucleus crew of the contractor’s work force were people that some would call Hillbillies from the eastern Tennessee/Kentucky/Virginia border area. One of these guys told me about being a kid and encountering a hornet’s nest hanging over a path through the woods that he frequented. He decided to execute a preemptive strike. He got a rifle and hid himself some distance away in a location with a good firing solution on the hornet’s nest. He nailed it from about 200 yards - brought the whole nest down. The hornets zoomed out of the nest and came right to him. He didn’t have a chance. Somehow the knew exactly where the bullet had come from. They found him within a minute and stung him within an inch of his life. This guy went on to serve in Europe with the 29th Infantry Division and was a crack shot. He said nothing the Germans did (including the Battle of the Bulge) scared him as much as those hornets.

Oh I know. It still is fun poking holes in his defense and as I have posted in the past those that defend criminals all look pretty stupid when they avoid answering simple questions, and continue to attempt to defend their position with weak arguments.

“Since JAB has honored this site with his august presence, I’ll depart from my usual entertainment of beehive kicking and chime in.”

“Claiming that illegal aliens are a benefit to our nation is like claiming that termites add to the structural integrity of a wood-frame house.”

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty179.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty138.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA1.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2062314/posts

http://www.azconservative.org/Hayworth_book.htm

Don’t call me “thick” when you are the one that wants to reward law breakers. Again, exactly how would you be able to tell the “good” ones from the bad ones? Exactly how can you trust people who have broken numerous laws? Of course you do not want to consider illegal entry a crime, or working here, or driving without a license, or stealing id, or using fake ids, because you realize you stance in defending child rapists and killers is not a popular stance. Therefore, you bob and weave all over the place. You are like Kerry, I voted for it before I voted against it. You want to reward law breaking, which in fact encourages more law breaking( more folks will come here illegally hoping to catch the next amnesty, rather then play by the rules), yet you say you are not in favor of illegal immigration. You sound like Clinton, it depends on what “is” means.

My God boy, get your back bone in order and just come out and say you are proud to support child rapists and killers.

BTW, I’m old enough to know right from wrong, which is something you clearly are not old enough to understand or simply have discarded.

What PW County has done is more then Fairfax County has done. Does Fairfax have an agreement with ICE? Nope. Has Fairfax taken a stance against illegals? Nope. Has Fairfax said it would go after illegals? Nope. In fact, Fairfax has done the opposite, they have put the welcome mat out for illegals. So, don’t attempt to say what PW has done is like other jurisdictions.

I have been much more consistent than you and many others here that the laws should apply equally to everyone, whether citizens, legal immigrants or illegal immigrants. I’ve never advocated any rewards for law-breaking, but have advocated punishments. I explained several times (you’re thick, man) that I would only grant visas to those who have been fined and who do not have criminal records. (Of course you incorrectly contend that a criminal record would include uninspected entry. That’s convenient for you because it enables you to describe every illegal entrant as a “criminal.” But it’s not correct as a legal matter.)

The PW police have no “new immigration law to enforce.” Congress has failed to act for years and many of the commenters here opposed their last effort. Under the Constitution, a document I revere and you don’t, only the federal govenrment can make immigration law and policy. That isn’t opinion, That’s fact. That’s the law. That;s what conservatives try to uphold.

The PW police essentially do what every other jurisdiction in the area does. They arrests suspected violators of laws when arrest is warranted. When in custody, immigration status is checked. Despite all the hot air, I’m fairly sure that once all the election year dust settled, PW ended up doing pretty much what everyone else does. You guys just wasted a lot more money to come to that point than we did and talked a lot louder along the way.

I don’t hire illegal aliens. I have my own business so I would know. I benefit from them the same way you do - through their contributions to the overall national economy. We all benefit in that regard, I no more than you. Despite their contribution, I have been a strong advocate for ending the influx of illegals because of the harm I see from an underground economy. Many of the reasons that illegal immigration has benefitted the economy are negatives in the long run: exploitation of laborers, payments of taxes that are never recovered because of false names and social security numbers, unreported intra-community crime, etc.

Oooops. Gotta go. My nightly cabal of child rapists and murderers is waiting for me to bring the chips and dip.

You are really are not a good example for those that support child rapists and killers. You do like to have fun., I realize this is a joke to you, since after all, you must benefit directly from illegals. Do you hire them? Do you work for someone who hires them? Or, do you just like to hang out with child rapists and killers?

Otherwise, I really do not understand anyone who would support child rapists and killers(you did not answer how you would figure out the “good” criminals from the bad ones, so again you would just provide visas to all of them) Again, because you would reward law breaking, the law they broke is to be here, your solution would be to allow them to stay, in other words, you do support illegal immigration.

You keep going on about the police enforcing the law, yet you want to provide a break to illegals, again another sign that you support illegal immigration, otherwise, you would want the laws enforced against them, yet you want to reward them for law breaking. BTW, how is breaking the law and benefiting from it a conservative value?

Also, you do not want the PW County police to enforce the new immigration law, how does that much up with your statements supporting local law enforcement of laws?

Now that development has slowed and the economy is slumping, we are seeing an outflow, some back home but the bulk to other areas of NoVA and into Maryland. Unfortunately (and I say this as a cheerleader for both PWC and the right-thinking politicos now governing Herndon), I believe we are also getting just a bit of a counterflow from those directions. In truth, everything here seems to be in a state of flux because of the economy and the subprime mortgage crisis.

If I were a resident of Fairfax (excluding Herndon), I would be very worried about a return wave of these inveterate scofflaws to my territory. For some of them at least, it will be akin to returning “home” to Bailey’s XRoads or Seven Corners, et al, with their bad habits still intact and perhaps even finely honed by experience. Moreover, those who may have been tempted in the past to migrate to Loudoun will probably be staying right where they are — with you. For pure economic survival reasons, I think some areas of Fairfax may be in for a period of residential overcrowding like you have never seen before. What will you do with them then? And don’t think you can hide safely in “fortresses” the likes of Langley and McLean. Just ask the Loudouners who live in the new developments at Ashburn, where crime is much on the increase.

You are right in principle about one thing: the law. We in Loudoun had become so used to expecting that residents would obey the laws that our laws are now having trouble catching up to this hitherto unexperienced problem. I spent a lifetime tracking down bad guys. Now I am back on the street as a Neighborhood Watch activist working closely with law enforcement. This whole thing is beginning to remind me of an old carnival game in which gopher heads popped up out of a wide assortment of holes and your job was to hammer them back down as fast as you could. Many of these immigrants never take their law enforcement lessons to heart. They just look for new ways to evade us. It never seems to quit.

Most legal residents of Eastern Loudoun are currently blasting our Board of Supervisors and law enforcement for not getting much tougher on these scofflaws. And, in the end it comes down to one thing: the need for more public funds at a time when the county budget is already under duress. There is no denying that Fairfax is getting the outflow from PWC and probably from Loudoun as well at this point. The recent increase in your crime rate is not something that can be shoved under the rug. If I were you, I would expect soon a request from the Fairfax police department for a big jump in funding and personnel.

The equation is not so simple as: (1) Violation of the law; (2) Enforcement of the law; and (3) End of problem. The only way an illegal can survive in our place or yours is to break the laws regarding identification, drivers licenses, housing, etc. Moreover, in my experience some of them have moved beyond that to a point where they seem to break the laws just for the hell of it — a sort of in-your-face attitude. And each time you catch them, the result is a lesson learned and a scofflaw who gets just a little smarter at evading us. Finally, fewer jobs will surely mean an increase in survival crime. Trying to stop all that is not easy when you have a certain element in society claiming that this is just another immigration period entirely like that which brought your and my ancestors to this country. Nor is it easy for law enforcement to solve the problems within the limits of our current system of jurisprudence. In any case, good luck to you and yours. I certainly hope for your sake that you are right about the efficacy of Fairfax law enforcement. Your “quality of life” may depend on it. I’m trying as hard as I can to get my own back.

You’ll not find me supporting illegal immigration. Thanks for fessing up on this.

Here is what you wrote…. Notice that you would in fact reward law breaking by illegals, therefore, you support illegals since you would not punish them with existing law. Of course you did not answer exactly how you would figure out the “good” illegals from the bad ones. Do you consider stealing Ids or using fake ones as crimes? Do you consider working here, driving without licenses crimes?

NoVA Scout said on 3 Jul 2008 at 9:09 am:
COM: Your mind seems to have teeth missing in the gearing. It whirs along OK for a bit and then breaks down. Where do you get this “hard working” criterion? Seems impossible to work with and I suspect it just reflects some misunderstanding you’ve picked up along the way. I don’t have any idea how you could base a system on how hard people work. I hardly work at all except in manic bursts and would probably get tossed, on that standard

Of course you deport criminals who are here illegally. That has always been the law and the policy, but the resources to do it have been lacking. I’m not against deportation of aliens who commit crimes when they’re here - no one’s against that (except perhaps the criminal who is being deported). I am against mass deportation of the millions of illegals who are here and contributing to the economy. If there were 20 or 30 of these folks, maybe you could manage, but the reality is that we’ve let this situation get completely out of control to the point where mass deportation would be a massive and historic moral, ethical and policy debacle for the United States at a time when our stock is at a pretty low ebb in any event. I don’t think decent Americans would want their country to be part of any such thing. I’d penalize them for the illegal entry and get them processed legally as quickly as possible. My primary objective would be to get rid of the underground economy and lifestyle and bring that out where you can see it. Virtually every other issue would resolve itself if that were done.