Hamas Takes Over, Bill Day Goes For A Visit
By Greg L | 9 August 2008 | Virginia Politics, US Congress | 46 Comments
Bill Day, candidate for the First Congressional District, fancies himself as quite the international traveler, as the story I heard this evening goes. It seems that Bill wanted to find out what was happening in the Palestinian territories, so in Spring of 2006 he went on a trip there, and then came back and gave a bunch of talks to folks in the Warrenton area about how badly the poor Palestinians are suffering at the hand of the Israelis, that is when they’re not actively engaged in shooting rockets into Israel or strapping bombs on their children. It was apparently quite a moving presentation, but then you’d expect it to be. He got prepped by some of the best.
Bill Day’s visit to the Palestinian territories happened just a few months after Hamas took control of the Palestinian government in January of 2006. The typical protocol for these Palestinian terrorists — and yes, that is precisely what they are according to the State Department — is to carefully escort foreign visitors on a carefully-controlled tour that prepares the guests to return to their countries as effective propaganda agents. Fatah perfected this technique over several decades, and Hamas continues to employ this technique aided by Fatah defectors well versed in this low-intensity conflict tradecraft. For someone to willingly put themself in this position to act in the interests of the Hamas terrorists indicates either stunning ignorance, or willful complicity. I would hope Bill Day is simply ignorant about supporting a terrorist organization, sort of a “useful idiot” as Marx put it, as it would be too enraging to consider a Congressional candidate who would willingly put himself at the disposal of terrorists.
Regardless, we have someone seeking federal elected office who clearly is a Hamas sympathizer. The Hamas charter states “there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad”, it regularly engages in holocaust denial, and operates a children’s television network that tells kids how glorious it is to die for Allah while feeding them a steady diet of anti-American and Islamic supremacy propaganda. They condone attacks against innocent civilians and are responsible for suicide bombings in buses, supermarkets, and restaurants. Hamas operates covert terrorist cells in the United States according to FBI director Robert Mueller and blames the United States for the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I’m sure Hamas would be rather pleased to have another sympathizer gain federal elected office in furtherance of their asymmetric warfare efforts.
I hope Bill Day takes some time to explain to the voters in the First District his opinions on middle east policy and explains to them why he happened to choose this unusual time to visit “Palestine” when Hamas was taking over from Fatah. How Day feels about all this is pretty relevant to their decision this November, and his silence about his activities is hardly the kind of open dialogue that Democrats say they want to have with the voters.
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It is commendable that Bill Day took the time to actually visit Palestine and hear directly from people who he met there about what conditions are like.
Every time a citizen visits another country, there is the risk that the official presentations will be peppered with propaganda. However, the lessons of history show that we are better served by engaging in diplomacy and cultural exchanges, rather than isolating a country because they currently have a corrupt leadership. The more Americans who actually visit Palestine and the rest of the Middle East, the better.
Bill Day doesn’t have a snow ball’s chance in Hell of being elected in the First District, so he may as well take the opportunity during this campaign to put forth some new ideas and perspectives on some of the challenges that we face.
One topic that is worthy of debate is the cost per capita for the creation of a National Heath Service. Many Republicans have parroted the talking points given to them by their insurance industry sponsors, where they always insist that the “private sector” is our only viable health care solution. However, other countries have done quite well with a National Health Service. Taken as a form of infrastructure support, a National Health Service could relieve American small businesses of the terrible burden of providing health coverage to employees through expensive insurance programs. Many of our American citizens who are over forty, find it increasingly difficult to be hired because companies intentionally shun older workers due to the presumed higher health care costs. A National Health Service would make hiring more citizens from all spectra of our society more feasible for our business and industry. It would also relieve the anxiety from our citizens that, in a catastrophic illness, they would bankrupt themselves and their family.
Perhaps Bill Day’s campaign, however meager it turns out to be, could at least bring some constructive ideas forward to be discussed and debated, rather than the usual “family values” BS that has been the recent fluff of Congressional campaigns.
J. Tyler: Get your own healthcare. I pay for my own. Stop being a parasite.
J. Tyler:
There are estimates that there are approximately 40 million uninsured U.S. citizens. If that is correct, then there are 260 million U.S. citizens that have some sort of health insurance. Lets not change the ENTIRE SYSTEM FOR THE 260 MILLION and lets fix the system to get the 40 million insured. If your car ran out of gas, you wouldn’t replace the whole car (at least I hope you wouldn’t.)
Think about it…Tyler would like the same people who run FEMA to run your healthcare…Tyler, grow up and stop clinging to “Nanny Sam”…
As far as this guy Day…the last thing we need in Congress is another cry-baby supporter for terror…maybe his new name, Greg, should be “Abdul Day Haz Been”
J. Tyler Ballance,
National Health Care like this:
http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/display.var.1996633.0.new_row_over_cancer_drug_denial.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/mar/10/health.uknews
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Drug-Denial-may-Leave-Several-Thousands-Blind-13060-1/
Sounds like a real winner…
J. Tyler Ballance has brilliantly bridged the gap between two aberrant tracks of modern human thought: appeasement and socialism.
It’s a little hard to know the degree of support Day has expressed for Hamas without knowing what he said to the good people of Warrenton. If he said Hamas was a dandy group of philanthropic philosophers, you may be on to something, Greg. If he said that the Palestinians (and everyone else who has lived on that land for the past 2500 years) have had a rough time of it at the hands of virtually everyone who has come in contact with them, well, it would be hard to dispute him. If he said there are very real humanitarian issues arising out of the absence of a stable Palestinian governmental authority, he’s on to something.
I would think we would want to encourage as many federal office holders and office seekers as possible to get over there and check things out. It’s a hellhole that has the capacity of threatening American interests at home and overseas. A festering sore like that has already reached out fatally to touch hundreds of Americans, let alone many more Israelis and Palestinians.
Can we get some office holders and office seekers to check out the hellholes we have here in the US? They don’t have to stumble too far out of DC to do it - we have Manassas Park, Coverstone, Woodbridge and everyplace in between.
Uh, Tyler, there is no “Palestine.”
Yep, let’s relieve everyone of personal to take care of themselves…and place responsibility for THEIR/YOUR healthcare squarely on my shoulders.
J. Tyler Ballance, can you imagine where we and our country would be if EVERYONE, I mean EVERYONE relied upon someone else? I don’t think you’d like that. It seems to me that the whole system would fail in short order. What you think?
Oh, so let’s not take from everyone, let’s just go after those who were successful, and can afford it, is that it?
correction: “Yep, let’s relieve everyone of personal responsibility to take…”
legal 2: you made me just think of this–I wonder if Day was over there looking for a benefactor. Maybe he hopes he’ll get some rich Saudi to bankroll him if he shows them he’s available. He wouldn’t be the first politician to be the beneficiary of Saudi largesse. No strings attached, of course.
Vigilant 1: Of the 40 million uninsured, how many of those are uninsured by choice? How many of them are illegal aliens?
Now that you mention foreign benefactors:
Citgo Gives Casa of Maryland $1.5 Million
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2057057/posts
monticup…I understand your questions, but who really cares?? If they’re uninsured, the question is “why”? …and the follow-up question to that is “Then, why is that”?
There are genuine cases of need, that’s for sure…and those are taken care of today. In most cases though, it’s an excuse here or an excuse there. Ah, ok, I see….so your Daddy didn’t have a lot of money, couldn’t send you to school and of course, you couldn’t find a good paying job, huh?? Guess that makes your plight my problem…?? Nope, don’t think so!
Concerning the so-called uninsured:
Yes, the 40 million plus does include all the illegal aliens. In addition, this is an EXAGGERATED number based on the people who are without health insurance at some point during the year. We never have 40 million uninsured at any one point in time. Many are also young, healthy professionals who choose not to have health insurance, even though they are eligible for something. Some kind of Finagle’s constant is used to get to that number.
A good guess is that the number of uninsured American citizens or legal residents who are unwillingly without health insurance at any given point in time is no more than three to five million. That’s not necessarily good, but it is not enough of a crisis to warrant creating a dysfunctional, European/Canadian style bureaucracy.
About Hamas and Gaza: Did Day visit Israel since he was in that part of the world anyway? Just in time for Day’s visit and comments is this commentary from the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815474002722569.html
The “Palestinian” Authority has done nothing but waste the foreign aid money they were given. Hamas, since they have taken control in Gaza, has destroyed any infrastructure left them (including by the Israelis and by international donors). The poverty and misery is the result of tribal warfare among these Arabs.
In addition, their Arab “brothers” have done very little to help in the past 60 years. No job opportunities, no citizenship, no nothing. Funny given all the oil wealth, don’t you think? Also funny given that the nascent State of Israel took in 900,000 Jews who were kicked out of Arab countries. I even happened to see a 1959 issue of National Geographic that mentioned how the oil-rich Arab countries wouldn’t give any jobs to Arabs from Jerusalem, Judea, or Samaria. Having the “Palestinian” Arabs live in misery is done for propaganda purposes.
Interestingly, when Israel became independent back in 1948, no self-respecting Arab wanted to be called “Palestinians.” They would tell you that “all Palestinians are Jews.” The English language (Jewish) newspaper was called “The Palestine Post” (now called The Jerusalem Post), and even the symphony orchestra was called the Palestine Symphony Orchestra (now the Israel Philharmonic).
My guess is that Mr. Day is firmly in the Obama/Farrakhan camp, and will make fast friends with the Moran brothers.
I suppose all you fine folks who pay for your own health care are going to not take their medicare benefits? Just say no and pay out of pocket for your own policy. It will save the tax payers some money.
How would you feel if the land you lived on was encroached on by people who don’t speak your language and want to live their lives differently from you?
Oh, wait. We know how you feel about that.
Now, what if those people felt they were better than you and created an environment where your segmented society could not prosper. It’s enough to drive people into doing stupid things.
The Palestinians are not perfect, and many (especially Hamas) have taken to actions and positions which are not defensible. Many more however are suffering and just want to be free of oppression - so they can have an opportunity to do something positive with their lives.
The neo-cons among us will lead us to believe that Israel can do no wrong - and that we should support Israel at the detriment of the Palestinians. Somehow this line of thinking will benefit US interests. On the contrary unequivocal support for Israel weakens US national security by undermining the concepts of equality, justice, and freedom.
You can still be a conservative who denounces terrorism and supports the need for a better life for the Palestinians. Palestine is the key, not Iraq. Stabilize Palestine and win the war on terror.
Regarding health care, should we consider people who care for their sick children or parents as being taken by freeloading “parasites”? If they can’t pay then they shouldn’t be cared for? That would be the market at work, and we know the market works.
anon in dale city: You don’t seem to realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch.
Government taking over health care. I don’t want Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Barney Frank making decisions about my body.
monticup, Actually free lunch and breakfast are given at the schools everyday.
sahman,
I have to AGREE. I don’t think ANYONE that promotes universal healthcare has thought BEYOND just that. Aint nothin fo free
Bridget and that should end ANY state or local funding for CASA. Their new benefactor can pay to help the illegals not the tax payers of Maryland!
Unfortunately, the whole point of CASA de Maryland is to ensure taxpayers do pay for their illegals.
monticup said on 9 Aug 2008 at 5:40 pm:
Vigilant 1: Of the 40 million uninsured, how many of those are uninsured by choice? How many of them are illegal aliens?
Ron said on 9 Aug 2008 at 8:54 pm:
Concerning the so-called uninsured:
Yes, the 40 million plus does include all the illegal aliens.
Ron, where did you get your info that the 40 million figure INCLUDED illegal aliens? This report contradicts that.
http://www.govspot.com/know/insurance.htm
http://www.webmd.com/news/20080625/1-in-7-americans-lack-health-insurance
When the congress gets back from their recess we must get on the phone to Senators and push for them to accept the E-verify. It passed in the House now we must bite at the ankles of every elected Senator to pass this measure or tell them out they go.
E-Verify Reauthorization Legislation Passes House, Senate Action Postponed
On July 31st the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 6633, a bill to reauthorize E-Verify. While there are several provisions that deserve scrutiny, the House bill does preserve E-Verify for five years. Members of the House negotiated this reauthorization bill for days and had been deadlocked over proposed language that could have left the program susceptible to being defunded in future years. The Senate adjourned for August recess without taking any action.
H.R. 6633.
The House passed H.R.6633, the Employee Verification Amendment Act of 2008, reauthorizing the E-Verify program for five years and ending weeks of deadlocked debate that threatened the future of the program. E-Verify, formally know as the Basic Pilot Program, was established in 1996 by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act and has become an effective and proven tool for ensuring a legal workforce, protecting wages, and fighting illegal immigration. The House passed the bill by a vote of 407-2, but similar legislation must pass the Senate, which adjourned for the August recess before taking up reauthorization of E-Verify. (Roll Call 557, July 31, 2008)
Get ready to shut down the congressional swithboard 1 866 340-9281
go to you tube and see The Second American Revolution Thomas Paine
It is a great speech
For James Young: Actually, there has been a Palestine for a couple of millennia. If your point is that there is no commonly accepted juridical entity of known boundaries today, I’ll take the point. But US policy is that there should be such a place.
There is such a place. It’s called Jordan.
Vigilant1:
CHeck, for example, this:
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&Article_ID=9715
Also, for more about the uninsured, see here:
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/hea/i_lack.html#background
For NoVA Scout: Actually, what was called Palestine has historically been the home to Jews. The original “Palestinians” were Jews. Today’s Palestinians are ethnically, linguistically and culturally indistinguishable from Jordanians.
monticup said on 10 Aug 2008 at 10:08 pm:
They are also “professional refugees.”
Bingo, Monticup. You certainly are at the top of your game tonight. However, to be precise, you have to include a number of groups in addition to the Jews. The area was much trod over throughout history. The original Palestinians (at least etymologically)were the folks we know from the Bible as “Philistines” , Monticup. The root word is the same. The Romans referred to the region as Palestine (although they sub-divided it for administrative purposes) and the name stuck. After the destruction of the Temple in the 70s, (as in 70 A.D.) the Jewish population of Palestine was largely dispersed. The Palestinians from that day until the end of World War II were a mixture of Semitic groupings, a large proportion of which became Islamicized in the latter half of the first Millennium through Arab conquest and proselytization. With the rise of the Zionist movement starting in the late 19th/early 20th century, European Jews began to return to Palestine (a British-administered Protectorate under the League of Nations and, after WWII, the UN) in significant numbers, a process that accelerated after the end of the Second German War until the founding of modern Israel in 1948. Jordan is a post World War I construct that was part of the pay-off that the Brits gave the present King Abdullah’s Great Grandpa for support against the Ottomans (and for forebearance against the French in the immediate post-WWI era).
“I would hope Bill Day is simply ignorant about supporting a terrorist organization, sort of a ‘useful idiot’ as Marx put it, as it would be too enraging to consider a Congressional candidate who would willingly put himself at the disposal of terrorists.”
The “useful idiot” quote is most commonly attributed to Lenin, not Marx.
The point, of course, is to discuss and debate real issues, and that men like Bill Day are actually going out to see for themselves the conditions in Palestine and neighboring Middle Eastern countries, rather than relying on party-generated talking points.
If more Americans could afford to travel and compare what we have here to what is commonly considered part of the infrastructure in other “civilized” countries, our citizens would begin to see a National Health Service to be part of our fundamental rights and part of our nationwide infrastructure.
Many of us who formerly bought the Insurance industry propaganda about the supposed evils of a National Health Service, have seen this subject with new eyes once we have seen the success of such programs in Europe, Asia and even next door in Canada. Certainly none of these programs are perfect, yet any one of them is far better than having your family bankrupted by one member who contracts a catastrophic illness.
Those of us who once shared concerns about government rationing health care, have witnessed years of insurance industry parasites doing exactly that; only with the insurance parasites, one never knows when they will deny a claim, or cancel your coverage altogether.
A National Health Service, will provide a solid foundation for our citizen’s heath care needs, just like our interstate highways provide transportation access for the good of all, the National Health Service would eliminate the parasitic insurance companies and allow businesses and families to be free of the burden of catastrophic health care costs.
The major propaganda pushed forth by the insurance parasites is that a National Health Service could be inefficient. However, America has many programs where we have pooled our resources to provide for the common good and these programs have worked well. To the dwindling number of yawpers that say that they don’t want to pay for anyone else’s health care, we must point out that they seem to not mind other infrastructure programs where we all contribute, like water, sewerage, fire, police and defense. There is little doubt that, for example, our defense programs are “inefficient” yet our military is the best on the planet. Based on past performance by the United States in other areas, we surely could build a National Health Service that would be the very best in the world.
A very important benefit of the National Health Service, is that, by eliminating the fear and unknown costs of health care, businesses could hire citizens, especially those forty and older, without fear. This single benefit will provide a great stimulus to small and new businesses, while helping to get more citizens back into the work force.
Here’s a little reality check, J. Tyler Ballance: Canada’s national health care system is so bad that those who can afford to buy private health care are prohibited by law from doing so. Thus, women anticipating childbirth complications come to the US to have their babies. Those with diagnosed maladies of a serious nature wait for up to a year to be scheduled for treatment, and if they miss their appointment (which often happens due to the problem itself), they go to the end of the line for another year. My brother-in-law from Toronto lost his fight with cancer this way. He was an immigrant from Vietnam and was comforted by the hype that the national health care idea brings, only to be fatally disillusioned. Oh, and don’t forget the 18% in sales tax largely due to the national plan that never works for anybody except the healthy.
J. Tyler: Americans do not like socialized medicine so Nationalized Health Care is not a “real issue”. Go live in Canada if you want to enjoy the wonders of government medicine.
J Tyler Ballance:
“…men like Bill Day are actually going out to see for themselves the conditions in Palestine and neighboring Middle Eastern countries, rather than relying on party-generated talking points.”
How precisely is getting a guided tour from Hamas different from receiving party talking points?
The “Palestinians” have a homeland. It’s called Jordan. To argue otherwise is to express ignorance of the history of what was once the Ottoman Empire, the League of Nations mandates post WWI. It’s not a matter of “we were here first”. If that is the case then the Jews would win that argument too, unless of course there are a few Caananites out there grumbling about who took their land.
J tyler Ballance:
Once the government starts giving all of us “free” health insurance, I can have enough extra money to visit those poor terrorist who strap on bombs, kill innocent women and children. Yeah, that is a real learning experience - broaden one’s horizons. Sick!
Tell Nobama we poor peoples need free gas along with our free health insurance while he’s at it. And a free college degree. And a free home. And a free boat. And a free new car. And a $10,000 of free spending money each year. Anything else that is free?
Maybe we should go to Georgia and watch Mother Russia crush a small country and see democracy die there. Maybe we should go and visit the Taliban and see how to enslave a country or better yet, go visit Al Qaeda and learn how to fly, build car bombs, blow up embassays, kill innocent people - all in the name of a cause “that we must learn to understand”.
Forrest Gump was right - Stupid is as stupid does.
J tyler Ballance:
“If more Americans could afford to travel and compare what we have here to what is commonly considered part of the infrastructure in other “civilized” countries, our citizens would begin to see a National Health Service to be part of our fundamental rights and part of our nationwide infrastructure.”
IF more Americans could AFFORD to…..what you said above?
HOW do we get to the point to EVEN phantom the idea?
hell no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk
And NOT to be sexist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg
Nicely explained, RWandB….for those who need it.
Unfortunately, there are so many who just don’t understand the slippery-slope threat of wealth redistribution….even a little bit of it. How can we ever convince people that it’s far better for everyone if we “teach the poor how to fish” rather than to merely give ‘em a fish?
Oh, but then, there ARE those who “know how to fish” and have all the equipment, but just don’t enjoy fishing….what to do with them?
Sigh….
J. Tyler Ballance, no matter how much people try to explain the basics to you, you just “don’t get it.” I’d suggest that since “their health care is free and is so much better than what we have in this country,” go north, young man, go north!!!!
J. Tyler Ballance said about healthcare
“Certainly none of these programs are perfect, yet any one of them is far better than having your family bankrupted by one member who contracts a catastrophic illness.”
Personally, I would rather be poor and broke in America than be middle class in any other country in the world.
Heres the problem, for the first few years the government will be giving away free health care like its candy. Then they will start to run out of money. Then they cut benefits. Then they start to ration. Then they start to decide who lives and dies. The first to go are the elderly then the infants. The only ones who will actually get care are the “workers”. In other words if you aren’t a contributing member to the tax base they will let you die.
Besides government health care would be owned by the citizens. Neighbors helping neighbors. Ask yourself do you want your neighbor in charge of making health care decisions for you? Do you want to make health care decisions for you neighbor? For me its one thing I would rather leave to professionals.
…but Sahdman, don’t forget, nationalized health care is only the “issue de jour.” We’re not dealing with people who are really concerned about the care people receive…we’re not dealing with people who are concerned about the cost of health care, or what nationalization of health care will do to medical research. We’re dealing with people who seek control…and health care is just one more step…oh, and oil exploration/drilling and the media are just around the corner.
Socialists cite the cost of health care as the culprit and attribute that to the greed of those in the medical profession and the health insurance companies. Wrong, and they know it, but won’t admit it.
Liability insurance that doctors must pay is extremely expensive, but it’s also equally imperative to protect the doctor against outrageously large malpractice lawsuit judgments. The cost of these judgments and the cost of the protective liability insurance is not miraculously “absorbed” by the tooth fairy. As in any other industry, cost…whether for raw materials, taxes or insurance…that cost is passed-on, from the doctor to the consumer either directly or through health insurance premiums. Will this cost go away through nationalization? No. The cost of health insurance can be reduced through establishing reasonable limits on malpractice claims, not through nationalization of the industry. (Of course John Edwards wouldn’t like to hear that, would he?)
The unbelieveable cost of the education, combined with the outrageous cost of malpractice (often frivolous) judgments and liability insurance protection have severely discouraged careers in medicine for our brightest — the financial reward just isn’t there anymore. There are far less expensive, demanding, and more lucrative career options than medicine. Of course, we’ve all seen it…the void in medical doctors in this country is being filled by those who immigrate from foreign countries.
Unfortunately, over the years, the socialists have been able to convince a large part of our population that if it comes from government, it’s “FREE”!! Yipppppeeeeeeeee!!! So sad.