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	<title>Comments on: Hamas Takes Over, Bill Day Goes For A Visit</title>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-72036</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but Sahdman, don't forget, nationalized health care is only the "issue de jour."  We're not dealing with people who are really concerned about the care people receive...we're not dealing with people who are concerned about the cost of health care, or what nationalization of health care will do to medical research.   We're dealing with people who seek control...and health care is just one more step...oh, and oil exploration/drilling and the media are just around the corner.

Socialists cite the cost of health care as the culprit and attribute that to the greed of those in the medical profession and the health insurance companies.   Wrong, and they know it, but won't admit it.

Liability insurance that doctors must pay is extremely expensive, but it's also equally imperative to protect the doctor against outrageously large malpractice lawsuit judgments.    The cost of these judgments and the cost of the protective liability insurance is not miraculously "absorbed" by the tooth fairy.  As in any other industry, cost...whether for raw materials, taxes or insurance...that cost is passed-on, from the doctor to the consumer either directly or through health insurance premiums.  Will this cost go away through nationalization?  No.  The cost of health insurance can be reduced through establishing reasonable limits on malpractice claims, not through nationalization of the industry.  (Of course John Edwards wouldn't like to hear that, would he?)

The unbelieveable cost of the education, combined with the outrageous cost of malpractice (often frivolous) judgments and liability insurance protection have severely discouraged careers in medicine for our brightest -- the financial reward just isn't there anymore.  There are far less expensive, demanding, and more lucrative career options than medicine.  Of course, we've all seen it...the void in medical doctors in this country is being filled by those who immigrate from foreign countries.  

Unfortunately, over the years, the socialists have been able to convince a large part of our population that if it comes from government, it's "FREE"!!  Yipppppeeeeeeeee!!!  So sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but Sahdman, don&#8217;t forget, nationalized health care is only the &#8220;issue de jour.&#8221;  We&#8217;re not dealing with people who are really concerned about the care people receive&#8230;we&#8217;re not dealing with people who are concerned about the cost of health care, or what nationalization of health care will do to medical research.   We&#8217;re dealing with people who seek control&#8230;and health care is just one more step&#8230;oh, and oil exploration/drilling and the media are just around the corner.</p>
<p>Socialists cite the cost of health care as the culprit and attribute that to the greed of those in the medical profession and the health insurance companies.   Wrong, and they know it, but won&#8217;t admit it.</p>
<p>Liability insurance that doctors must pay is extremely expensive, but it&#8217;s also equally imperative to protect the doctor against outrageously large malpractice lawsuit judgments.    The cost of these judgments and the cost of the protective liability insurance is not miraculously &#8220;absorbed&#8221; by the tooth fairy.  As in any other industry, cost&#8230;whether for raw materials, taxes or insurance&#8230;that cost is passed-on, from the doctor to the consumer either directly or through health insurance premiums.  Will this cost go away through nationalization?  No.  The cost of health insurance can be reduced through establishing reasonable limits on malpractice claims, not through nationalization of the industry.  (Of course John Edwards wouldn&#8217;t like to hear that, would he?)</p>
<p>The unbelieveable cost of the education, combined with the outrageous cost of malpractice (often frivolous) judgments and liability insurance protection have severely discouraged careers in medicine for our brightest &#8212; the financial reward just isn&#8217;t there anymore.  There are far less expensive, demanding, and more lucrative career options than medicine.  Of course, we&#8217;ve all seen it&#8230;the void in medical doctors in this country is being filled by those who immigrate from foreign countries.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, over the years, the socialists have been able to convince a large part of our population that if it comes from government, it&#8217;s &#8220;FREE&#8221;!!  Yipppppeeeeeeeee!!!  So sad.</p>
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		<title>By: sahdman</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-72032</link>
		<dc:creator>sahdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-72032</guid>
		<description>J. Tyler Ballance said about healthcare
 "Certainly none of these programs are perfect, yet any one of them is far better than having your family bankrupted by one member who contracts a catastrophic illness."  

Personally, I would rather be poor and broke in America than be middle class in any other country in the world.  

Heres the problem, for the first few years the government will be giving away free health care like its candy.  Then they will start to run out of money.  Then they cut benefits.  Then they start to ration.  Then they start to decide who lives and dies.  The first to go are the elderly then the infants.  The only ones who will actually get care are the "workers".  In other words if you aren't a contributing member to the tax base they  will let you die.    

Besides government health care would be owned by the citizens.   Neighbors helping neighbors.  Ask yourself do you want your neighbor in charge of making health care decisions for you? Do you want to make health care decisions for you neighbor? For me its one thing I would rather leave to professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Tyler Ballance said about healthcare<br />
 &#8220;Certainly none of these programs are perfect, yet any one of them is far better than having your family bankrupted by one member who contracts a catastrophic illness.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Personally, I would rather be poor and broke in America than be middle class in any other country in the world.  </p>
<p>Heres the problem, for the first few years the government will be giving away free health care like its candy.  Then they will start to run out of money.  Then they cut benefits.  Then they start to ration.  Then they start to decide who lives and dies.  The first to go are the elderly then the infants.  The only ones who will actually get care are the &#8220;workers&#8221;.  In other words if you aren&#8217;t a contributing member to the tax base they  will let you die.    </p>
<p>Besides government health care would be owned by the citizens.   Neighbors helping neighbors.  Ask yourself do you want your neighbor in charge of making health care decisions for you? Do you want to make health care decisions for you neighbor? For me its one thing I would rather leave to professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71992</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71992</guid>
		<description>J. Tyler Ballance, no matter how much people try to explain the basics to you, you just "don't get it."    I'd suggest that since "their health care is free and is so much better than what we have in this country," go north, young man, go north!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Tyler Ballance, no matter how much people try to explain the basics to you, you just &#8220;don&#8217;t get it.&#8221;    I&#8217;d suggest that since &#8220;their health care is free and is so much better than what we have in this country,&#8221; go north, young man, go north!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71989</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71989</guid>
		<description>Nicely explained, RWandB....for those who need it.  

Unfortunately, there are so many who just don't understand the slippery-slope threat of wealth redistribution....even a little bit of it.  How can we ever convince people that it's far better for everyone if we "teach the poor how to fish" rather than to merely give 'em a fish?   

Oh, but then, there ARE those who "know how to fish" and have all the equipment, but just don't enjoy fishing....what to do with them?  :(  Sigh....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely explained, RWandB&#8230;.for those who need it.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are so many who just don&#8217;t understand the slippery-slope threat of wealth redistribution&#8230;.even a little bit of it.  How can we ever convince people that it&#8217;s far better for everyone if we &#8220;teach the poor how to fish&#8221; rather than to merely give &#8216;em a fish?   </p>
<p>Oh, but then, there ARE those who &#8220;know how to fish&#8221; and have all the equipment, but just don&#8217;t enjoy fishing&#8230;.what to do with them?  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Sigh&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71985</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71985</guid>
		<description>J tyler Ballance:


"If more Americans could afford to travel and compare what we have here to what is commonly considered part of the infrastructure in other “civilized” countries, our citizens would begin to see a National Health Service to be part of our fundamental rights and part of our nationwide infrastructure."


IF more Americans could AFFORD to.....what you said above?

HOW do we get to the point to EVEN phantom the idea?

hell no :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk

And NOT to be sexist ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J tyler Ballance:</p>
<p>&#8220;If more Americans could afford to travel and compare what we have here to what is commonly considered part of the infrastructure in other “civilized” countries, our citizens would begin to see a National Health Service to be part of our fundamental rights and part of our nationwide infrastructure.&#8221;</p>
<p>IF more Americans could AFFORD to&#8230;..what you said above?</p>
<p>HOW do we get to the point to EVEN phantom the idea?</p>
<p>hell no <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk</a></p>
<p>And NOT to be sexist <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Red, White and Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71983</link>
		<dc:creator>Red, White and Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71983</guid>
		<description>J tyler Ballance:

Once the government starts giving all of us "free" health insurance, I can have enough extra money to visit those poor terrorist who strap on bombs, kill innocent women and children. Yeah, that is a real learning experience - broaden one's horizons. Sick!

Tell Nobama we poor peoples need free gas along with our free health insurance while he's at it. And a free college degree. And a free home. And a free boat. And a free new car. And a $10,000 of free spending money each year. Anything else that is free? 

Maybe we should go to Georgia and watch Mother Russia crush a small country and see democracy die there. Maybe we should go and visit the Taliban and see how to enslave a country or better yet, go visit Al Qaeda and learn how to fly, build car bombs, blow up embassays, kill innocent people - all in the name of a cause "that we must learn to understand".

Forrest Gump was right - Stupid is as stupid does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J tyler Ballance:</p>
<p>Once the government starts giving all of us &#8220;free&#8221; health insurance, I can have enough extra money to visit those poor terrorist who strap on bombs, kill innocent women and children. Yeah, that is a real learning experience - broaden one&#8217;s horizons. Sick!</p>
<p>Tell Nobama we poor peoples need free gas along with our free health insurance while he&#8217;s at it. And a free college degree. And a free home. And a free boat. And a free new car. And a $10,000 of free spending money each year. Anything else that is free? </p>
<p>Maybe we should go to Georgia and watch Mother Russia crush a small country and see democracy die there. Maybe we should go and visit the Taliban and see how to enslave a country or better yet, go visit Al Qaeda and learn how to fly, build car bombs, blow up embassays, kill innocent people - all in the name of a cause &#8220;that we must learn to understand&#8221;.</p>
<p>Forrest Gump was right - Stupid is as stupid does.</p>
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		<title>By: Flavius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71980</link>
		<dc:creator>Flavius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71980</guid>
		<description>The "Palestinians" have a homeland. It's called Jordan. To argue otherwise is to express ignorance of the history of what was once the Ottoman Empire, the League of Nations mandates post WWI. It's not a matter of "we were here first". If that is the case then the Jews would win that argument too, unless of course there are a few Caananites out there grumbling about who took their land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; have a homeland. It&#8217;s called Jordan. To argue otherwise is to express ignorance of the history of what was once the Ottoman Empire, the League of Nations mandates post WWI. It&#8217;s not a matter of &#8220;we were here first&#8221;. If that is the case then the Jews would win that argument too, unless of course there are a few Caananites out there grumbling about who took their land.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Smalls</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71979</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Smalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71979</guid>
		<description>J Tyler Ballance:
"...men like Bill Day are actually going out to see for themselves the conditions in Palestine and neighboring Middle Eastern countries, rather than relying on party-generated talking points."

How precisely is getting a guided tour from Hamas different from receiving party talking points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Tyler Ballance:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;men like Bill Day are actually going out to see for themselves the conditions in Palestine and neighboring Middle Eastern countries, rather than relying on party-generated talking points.&#8221;</p>
<p>How precisely is getting a guided tour from Hamas different from receiving party talking points?</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71978</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71978</guid>
		<description>J. Tyler:  Americans do not like socialized medicine so Nationalized Health Care is not a "real issue".  Go live in Canada if you want to enjoy the wonders of government medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Tyler:  Americans do not like socialized medicine so Nationalized Health Care is not a &#8220;real issue&#8221;.  Go live in Canada if you want to enjoy the wonders of government medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Arlington Minority</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71977</link>
		<dc:creator>Arlington Minority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71977</guid>
		<description>Here's a little reality check, J. Tyler Ballance: Canada's national health care system is so bad that those who can afford to buy private health care are prohibited by law from doing so.  Thus, women anticipating childbirth complications come to the US to have their babies.  Those with diagnosed maladies of a serious nature wait for up to a year to be scheduled for treatment, and if they miss their appointment (which often happens due to the problem itself), they go to the end of the line for another year.  My brother-in-law from Toronto lost his fight with cancer this way.  He was an immigrant from Vietnam and was comforted by the hype that the national health care idea brings, only to be fatally disillusioned.  Oh, and don't forget the 18% in sales tax largely due to the national plan that never works for anybody except the healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little reality check, J. Tyler Ballance: Canada&#8217;s national health care system is so bad that those who can afford to buy private health care are prohibited by law from doing so.  Thus, women anticipating childbirth complications come to the US to have their babies.  Those with diagnosed maladies of a serious nature wait for up to a year to be scheduled for treatment, and if they miss their appointment (which often happens due to the problem itself), they go to the end of the line for another year.  My brother-in-law from Toronto lost his fight with cancer this way.  He was an immigrant from Vietnam and was comforted by the hype that the national health care idea brings, only to be fatally disillusioned.  Oh, and don&#8217;t forget the 18% in sales tax largely due to the national plan that never works for anybody except the healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Tyler Ballance</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71976</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Tyler Ballance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71976</guid>
		<description>The point, of course, is to discuss and debate real issues, and that men like Bill Day are actually going out to see for themselves the conditions in Palestine and neighboring Middle Eastern countries, rather than relying on party-generated talking points.

If more Americans could afford to travel and compare what we have here to what is commonly considered part of the infrastructure in other "civilized" countries, our citizens would begin to see a National Health Service to be part of our fundamental rights and part of our nationwide infrastructure. 

Many of us who formerly bought the Insurance industry propaganda about the supposed evils of a National Health Service, have seen this subject with new eyes once we have seen the success of such programs in Europe, Asia and even next door in Canada. Certainly none of these programs are perfect, yet any one of them is far better than having your family bankrupted by one member who contracts a catastrophic illness.

Those of us who once shared concerns about government rationing health care, have witnessed years of insurance industry parasites doing exactly that; only with the insurance parasites, one never knows when they will deny a claim, or cancel your coverage altogether.

A National Health Service, will provide a solid foundation for our citizen's heath care needs, just like our interstate highways provide transportation access for the good of all, the National Health Service would eliminate the parasitic insurance companies and allow businesses and families to be free of the burden of catastrophic health care costs. 

The major propaganda pushed forth by the insurance parasites is that a National Health Service could be inefficient. However, America has many programs where we have pooled our resources to provide for the common good and these programs have worked well. To the dwindling  number of yawpers that say that they don't want to pay for anyone else's health care, we must point out that they seem to not mind other infrastructure programs where we all contribute, like water, sewerage, fire, police and defense. There is little doubt that, for example, our defense programs are "inefficient" yet our military is the best on the planet.  Based on past performance by the United States in other areas, we surely could build a National Health Service that would be the very best in the world.

A very important benefit of the National Health Service, is that, by eliminating the fear and unknown costs of health care, businesses could hire citizens, especially those forty and older, without fear. This single benefit will provide a great stimulus to small and new businesses, while helping to get more citizens back into the work force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point, of course, is to discuss and debate real issues, and that men like Bill Day are actually going out to see for themselves the conditions in Palestine and neighboring Middle Eastern countries, rather than relying on party-generated talking points.</p>
<p>If more Americans could afford to travel and compare what we have here to what is commonly considered part of the infrastructure in other &#8220;civilized&#8221; countries, our citizens would begin to see a National Health Service to be part of our fundamental rights and part of our nationwide infrastructure. </p>
<p>Many of us who formerly bought the Insurance industry propaganda about the supposed evils of a National Health Service, have seen this subject with new eyes once we have seen the success of such programs in Europe, Asia and even next door in Canada. Certainly none of these programs are perfect, yet any one of them is far better than having your family bankrupted by one member who contracts a catastrophic illness.</p>
<p>Those of us who once shared concerns about government rationing health care, have witnessed years of insurance industry parasites doing exactly that; only with the insurance parasites, one never knows when they will deny a claim, or cancel your coverage altogether.</p>
<p>A National Health Service, will provide a solid foundation for our citizen&#8217;s heath care needs, just like our interstate highways provide transportation access for the good of all, the National Health Service would eliminate the parasitic insurance companies and allow businesses and families to be free of the burden of catastrophic health care costs. </p>
<p>The major propaganda pushed forth by the insurance parasites is that a National Health Service could be inefficient. However, America has many programs where we have pooled our resources to provide for the common good and these programs have worked well. To the dwindling  number of yawpers that say that they don&#8217;t want to pay for anyone else&#8217;s health care, we must point out that they seem to not mind other infrastructure programs where we all contribute, like water, sewerage, fire, police and defense. There is little doubt that, for example, our defense programs are &#8220;inefficient&#8221; yet our military is the best on the planet.  Based on past performance by the United States in other areas, we surely could build a National Health Service that would be the very best in the world.</p>
<p>A very important benefit of the National Health Service, is that, by eliminating the fear and unknown costs of health care, businesses could hire citizens, especially those forty and older, without fear. This single benefit will provide a great stimulus to small and new businesses, while helping to get more citizens back into the work force.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Smalls</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71975</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Smalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71975</guid>
		<description>"I would hope Bill Day is simply ignorant about supporting a terrorist organization, sort of a 'useful idiot' as Marx put it, as it would be too enraging to consider a Congressional candidate who would willingly put himself at the disposal of terrorists."

The "useful idiot" quote is most commonly attributed to Lenin, not Marx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would hope Bill Day is simply ignorant about supporting a terrorist organization, sort of a &#8216;useful idiot&#8217; as Marx put it, as it would be too enraging to consider a Congressional candidate who would willingly put himself at the disposal of terrorists.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;useful idiot&#8221; quote is most commonly attributed to Lenin, not Marx.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71970</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo, Monticup.  You certainly are at the top of your game tonight.   However, to be precise, you have to include a number of groups in addition to the Jews.  The area was much trod over throughout history.  The original Palestinians (at least etymologically)were  the folks we know from the Bible  as "Philistines" , Monticup.   The root word is the same.  The Romans referred to the region as Palestine (although they sub-divided it for administrative purposes) and the name stuck.  After the destruction of the Temple in the 70s, (as in 70 A.D.) the Jewish population of Palestine was largely dispersed.  The Palestinians from that day until the end of World War II were a mixture of Semitic groupings, a large proportion of which became Islamicized in the latter half of the first Millennium through Arab conquest and proselytization.  With the rise of the Zionist movement starting in the late 19th/early 20th century, European Jews began to return to Palestine (a British-administered Protectorate under the League of Nations and, after WWII, the UN) in significant numbers, a process that accelerated after the end of the Second German War until the founding of modern Israel in 1948.  Jordan is a post World War I construct that was part of the  pay-off that the Brits gave the present King Abdullah's Great Grandpa for support against the Ottomans (and for forebearance against the French in the immediate post-WWI era).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo, Monticup.  You certainly are at the top of your game tonight.   However, to be precise, you have to include a number of groups in addition to the Jews.  The area was much trod over throughout history.  The original Palestinians (at least etymologically)were  the folks we know from the Bible  as &#8220;Philistines&#8221; , Monticup.   The root word is the same.  The Romans referred to the region as Palestine (although they sub-divided it for administrative purposes) and the name stuck.  After the destruction of the Temple in the 70s, (as in 70 A.D.) the Jewish population of Palestine was largely dispersed.  The Palestinians from that day until the end of World War II were a mixture of Semitic groupings, a large proportion of which became Islamicized in the latter half of the first Millennium through Arab conquest and proselytization.  With the rise of the Zionist movement starting in the late 19th/early 20th century, European Jews began to return to Palestine (a British-administered Protectorate under the League of Nations and, after WWII, the UN) in significant numbers, a process that accelerated after the end of the Second German War until the founding of modern Israel in 1948.  Jordan is a post World War I construct that was part of the  pay-off that the Brits gave the present King Abdullah&#8217;s Great Grandpa for support against the Ottomans (and for forebearance against the French in the immediate post-WWI era).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71969</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>monticup said on 10 Aug 2008 at 10:08 pm: 

They are also "professional refugees."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>monticup said on 10 Aug 2008 at 10:08 pm: </p>
<p>They are also &#8220;professional refugees.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71966</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For NoVA Scout: Actually, what was called Palestine has historically been the home to Jews.  The original "Palestinians" were Jews.  Today's Palestinians are ethnically, linguistically and culturally indistinguishable from Jordanians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For NoVA Scout: Actually, what was called Palestine has historically been the home to Jews.  The original &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; were Jews.  Today&#8217;s Palestinians are ethnically, linguistically and culturally indistinguishable from Jordanians.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71965</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vigilant1:

CHeck, for example, this:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&#38;Article_ID=9715

Also, for more about the uninsured, see here:

http://www.ncpa.org/iss/hea/i_lack.html#background</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vigilant1:</p>
<p>CHeck, for example, this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&amp;Article_ID=9715" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&amp;Article_ID=9715</a></p>
<p>Also, for more about the uninsured, see here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncpa.org/iss/hea/i_lack.html#background" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncpa.org/iss/hea/i_lack.html#background</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71963</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is such a place. It's called Jordan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is such a place. It&#8217;s called Jordan.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For James Young:  Actually, there has been a Palestine for a couple of millennia.  If your point is that there is no commonly accepted juridical entity of known boundaries today, I'll take the point.  But US policy is that there should be such a place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For James Young:  Actually, there has been a Palestine for a couple of millennia.  If your point is that there is no commonly accepted juridical entity of known boundaries today, I&#8217;ll take the point.  But US policy is that there should be such a place.</p>
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		<title>By: americangal4ever</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71959</link>
		<dc:creator>americangal4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the congress gets back from their recess we must get on the phone to Senators and push for them to accept the E-verify. It passed in the House now we must bite at the ankles of every elected Senator to pass this measure or tell them out they go.

E-Verify Reauthorization Legislation Passes House, Senate Action Postponed
On July 31st the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 6633, a bill to reauthorize E-Verify. While there are several provisions that deserve scrutiny, the House bill does preserve E-Verify for five years. Members of the House negotiated this reauthorization bill for days and had been deadlocked over proposed language that could have left the program susceptible to being defunded in future years. The Senate adjourned for August recess without taking any action. 
H.R. 6633. 
The House passed H.R.6633, the Employee Verification Amendment Act of 2008, reauthorizing the E-Verify program for five years and ending weeks of deadlocked debate that threatened the future of the program. E-Verify, formally know as the Basic Pilot Program, was established in 1996 by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act and has become an effective and proven tool for ensuring a legal workforce, protecting wages, and fighting illegal immigration. The House passed the bill by a vote of 407-2, but similar legislation must pass the Senate, which adjourned for the August recess before taking up reauthorization of E-Verify. (Roll Call 557, July 31, 2008) 
Get ready to shut down the congressional swithboard    1 866 340-9281
go to you tube and see    The Second American Revolution Thomas Paine
It is a great speech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the congress gets back from their recess we must get on the phone to Senators and push for them to accept the E-verify. It passed in the House now we must bite at the ankles of every elected Senator to pass this measure or tell them out they go.</p>
<p>E-Verify Reauthorization Legislation Passes House, Senate Action Postponed<br />
On July 31st the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 6633, a bill to reauthorize E-Verify. While there are several provisions that deserve scrutiny, the House bill does preserve E-Verify for five years. Members of the House negotiated this reauthorization bill for days and had been deadlocked over proposed language that could have left the program susceptible to being defunded in future years. The Senate adjourned for August recess without taking any action.<br />
H.R. 6633.<br />
The House passed H.R.6633, the Employee Verification Amendment Act of 2008, reauthorizing the E-Verify program for five years and ending weeks of deadlocked debate that threatened the future of the program. E-Verify, formally know as the Basic Pilot Program, was established in 1996 by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act and has become an effective and proven tool for ensuring a legal workforce, protecting wages, and fighting illegal immigration. The House passed the bill by a vote of 407-2, but similar legislation must pass the Senate, which adjourned for the August recess before taking up reauthorization of E-Verify. (Roll Call 557, July 31, 2008)<br />
Get ready to shut down the congressional swithboard    1 866 340-9281<br />
go to you tube and see    The Second American Revolution Thomas Paine<br />
It is a great speech</p>
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		<title>By: Vigilant1</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71950</link>
		<dc:creator>Vigilant1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/08/09/hamas-takes-over-bill-day-goes-for-a-visit/#comment-71950</guid>
		<description>http://www.webmd.com/news/20080625/1-in-7-americans-lack-health-insurance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.webmd.com/news/20080625/1-in-7-americans-lack-health-insurance" rel="nofollow">http://www.webmd.com/news/20080625/1-in-7-americans-lack-health-insurance</a></p>
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