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By Greg L | 19 August 2008 | Uncategorized | 167 Comments

Once again, it’s time for the open discussion…

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  1. LOVE THE USA said on 19 Aug 2008 at 8:31 pm:
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    I drove by the Route 1 & PW Pkwy day labor site and guess what? The canopy that everyone has been talking about isn’t there. Saw the guys throing trash into the fenced part of the 7-11 dumpster, not into the dumpster, behind it.
    That property they are on is so trashy. Maybe a call to the county is in order to get it cleaned up.

  2. LOVE THE USA said on 19 Aug 2008 at 8:34 pm:
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    Fort Worth man plays key role in McCain camp
    By Anna M. Tinsley
    The Fort Worth Star Telegram (TX), August 17, 2008

  3. elvis said on 19 Aug 2008 at 8:45 pm:
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    hope they rope up them dogies and lock them up. after that it should be a quick trip back to mexico for them. deport them all, no more anchor babies..been saying it all along, unfortunately when everyone else starts saying this it’s going to be too late, we’ll be so overrun with illegals it’s going to be tough to remove them all, if we are not there already yet.

  4. LOVE THE USA said on 19 Aug 2008 at 9:01 pm:
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    elvis, It’s great to see you back.

  5. Bridget said on 19 Aug 2008 at 9:11 pm:
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    Sex Assault Reported in Manassas Battlefield Park:


  6. Dave in PWC said on 19 Aug 2008 at 9:15 pm:
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    Well it looks like the day laborers are back at Coverstone, there were over 40 there this morning before 8am.

  7. Free Citizen said on 19 Aug 2008 at 9:22 pm:
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    Yes, the tent is gone. Saw this today for the first time.

    Now we will see if the Pastor applies to build a permanent place there for them????

    That entire area is trashed and baren of grass. Guess the bathroom uses damages the grass???

    We will plug away and hopefully before long all will disappear.

  8. Tobias Jodter said on 19 Aug 2008 at 9:31 pm:
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    Machete? “malicious wounding by mob and gang participation”? More of Mr. Connolly’s Fairfax County… Oh well, nothing of interest here…


  9. Tobias Jodter said on 19 Aug 2008 at 11:46 pm:
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    Regarding the attack at the Manassas Battlefield Park - this is less than 3 miles west on Rt. 29 from a similar knifepoint sexual assault in Fairfax County - I know it’s different jurisdictions but I wonder if it’s the same perpetrator???


  10. Old Woodbridge said on 20 Aug 2008 at 1:39 am:
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    I see lots of improvement in the neighborhoods in Woodbridge. But, I get so angry when I still see OPEN SCREEN DOORS. Do you think we could get a county ordinance banning open screen doors? I suppose the folks wanting renters for their flophouses would just come up with a different signal.

  11. me said on 20 Aug 2008 at 6:53 am:
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    Old Woodbridge said on 20 Aug 2008 at 1:39 am:

    I have lived in Woodbridge for 40 years and I have NEVER seen “OPEN SCREEN DOORS”. Gosh when I was a kid growing up parents did that do the kids going in and out wouldn’t break the screen door…times have changed

    What subdivisions are you see this happening in? I haven’t noticed them in Old Belmont, Marumsco Woods or Marumsco Hills.

  12. J. Tyler Ballance said on 20 Aug 2008 at 7:26 am:
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    Would someone take a close look at the financial disclosure reports of Mark Colis (Warner) and Jim “Lock ‘em up and throw away the key” Gilmore?

    Most of the money that these two candidates for the US Senate from Virginia have appear to be in companies who are based outside of Virginia, and outside of the United States.

    Candidates often talk a good game about jobs, but they invest offshore.

  13. rebelreggie said on 20 Aug 2008 at 9:41 am:
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    U.S. Border Control
    School district’s Raza studies denounced by Arizona School Superintendent

    Posted: 19 Aug 2008 10:08 PM CDT

    Tucson’s $2.6 million Mexican American/Raza Studies program has been severely criticized by Arizona School Superintendent Tom Horne. He calls it racially divisive and hypercritical of American history and culture, and wants the program halted.

    The program’s director, Augustine F. Romero, is making the rounds of talk radio shows in the Tucson area, defending the program and its1,700 students. When asked about the racist name and nature of his program, Romero frustrates the questioner by saying “Raza studies is an anti-racist project. In fact, we are the ones who are combating racism.”

    Horne says “People are individuals, not exemplars of racial groups. It is fundamentally wrong to divide students up according to their racial group and teach them separately.

    “Hector Ayala was born in Mexico and is an excellent English teacher at Cholla High School. He reports that Romero accused him of being the ‘White man’s agent’ and that when Romero was a teacher, he taught a separatist political agenda. Romero’s students told Ayala they were taught in Raza studies to ‘not fall for the White man’s traps.’

    “I have heard from many TUSD employees, complaining about the climate of fear created by Romero and the principals and TUSD board members aligned with him. It is up to the citizens of Tucson to get the board to change or change the board,” Horne concluded.
    Click here to view our entire news blog

  14. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 9:53 am:
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    Bridget said on 19 Aug 2008 at 9:11 pm:
    Sex Assault Reported in Manassas Battlefield Park:


    This is why we should have the right to carry while in National Parks. I bet that guy would have had a bodily function had the victim pulled a gun on him. Yes, it is rare to have such an attack, but it happens, but how many times have we all said, I wish I had a…. whatever item, that would have come in handy in a situation.

  15. Mando said on 20 Aug 2008 at 10:07 am:
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    On that note, this has to be the right to carry story of the year:

    LAKE LYNN, Pa. — An 85-year-old great-grandmother from Lake Lynn, Fayette County kept an alleged burglar at bay using a .22-caliber pistol.

    According to police, a 17-year-old suspect was attempting to burglarize Leda Smith overnight.

    That’s when Smith grabbed her gun and told the teen that she would shoot him if he moved, police said.

    “I had the gun on him before he turned around and said, ‘you’ve had it,’ ” Smith told Channel 11-News.

    According to police, Smith ordered the boy to dial 911 and then gave him some advice.

    “Dial 911 and don’t attempt to throw the phone at me, or do anything bad or i’ll just shoot you,” Smith said.

    When police arrived, they took the teen into custody.

    Charges have been filed against the boy and an alleged accomplice.


  16. elvis said on 20 Aug 2008 at 10:09 am:
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    Thanks for the warm welcome back!

    I’ve spent too much time over on the “anti” blog and now I’m making my permanent return. it got old speaking with those “people” and finally came to the realization that basically the blog was just a front for them filming fairies that call themselves 9500 liberty. I’m probably even going to sign up for help save Manassas as well.

  17. anon143 said on 20 Aug 2008 at 10:13 am:
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    Elvis! GREAT news!
    I have to say that you had the patience of a saint for staying “over there” as long as you did….I hate to tell you that your comments were falling on deaf ears.

  18. Big Dog said on 20 Aug 2008 at 10:25 am:
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    FYI - The individual who escaped from the Adult
    Detention Center in Manassas this morning
    has been captured.

  19. Old Woodbridge said on 20 Aug 2008 at 11:15 am:
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    The scrren doors I was referring to were in Marumsco Hills on Culpepper Street.

  20. madmom said on 20 Aug 2008 at 11:51 am:
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    Anyone get a letter from “Manassas Business Community Watch” warning
    you of a local funeral home’s practices? I thought it was strange….is this
    group legit?

  21. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 12:08 pm:
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    Big Dog,

    Who escaped, and where were they captured?

  22. Big Dog said on 20 Aug 2008 at 12:27 pm:
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    No information has been released except a reverse 9-ll
    phone call from the MCPD stating the escaped fugitive
    from the ADC had been captured at 9:15 this morning.
    -NBC 4’s site has the basic info.
    -MJM’s site, as of five minutes ago, of course, has zip.
    Will post confirmed information as I get it.

  23. Bridget said on 20 Aug 2008 at 1:19 pm:
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    I would pay to hear that 911 call!

    -”What is your emergency?”-

    -”Uhh … being held … by a grandmother …. typical white person… bitter… clinging to gun … need backup … ”

    Way to go, Mrs. Smith. Got the job done without firing a single shot.

    Meanwhile, back in Bejing….


  24. manassascityresident said on 20 Aug 2008 at 1:27 pm:
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    Hey COM -

    Remember that house I told you about at the end of my street (the one with the screen door open)?
    A cleaning crew is there today emptying the junk out of there. I spoke to one of the guys and he said the home is in foreclosure (surprise, surprise). One day they were there, the next day they were gone with their seven trucks. He said the house is totally destroyed inside and infested with cockroaches. It will be at least a month before it can be put on the market.

    The good news: The cleaning company wants to join HSM’s “Do the Right Thing” program.

  25. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 1:34 pm:
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    Big dog,



    That is great news. Hopefully, the new owners will be more responsible then the last ones. One house at a time….

  26. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    Has anyone else heard about the Sonic that will be going in at the construction site by Costco? Mmmmm, Sonic.

  27. KP said on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:39 pm:
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    Does anyone know about these Prince William Victory Walks this weekend? Not too much detail about what these are all about. Are they walks through neighborhoods and such trying to register voters?

  28. Ted said on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:48 pm:
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    After his embarassing proclamation about the Russians “complying” with BHO’s call for a ceasefire in Georgia, how can Tim Kaine still be considered a serious possibility for his VP?

  29. rebelreggie said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:02 pm:
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    Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Arrests 12 More Illegal Aliens


    Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio continued his illegal immigration fight today, this time in the north valley. He deployed a team of 15 ICE trained deputies to converge on the town of Cave Creek.

    Beginning in the pre dawn hours, deputies conducted a crime suppression/traffic enforcement operation. Within only six (6) hours, deputies made 47 traffic stops netting 16 arrests. All were male suspects.

    Of those arrested, 12 were illegal aliens. Three of the 12 were arrested on state charges of failure to provide identification, nine were collateral arrests now in the process of deportation and four (4) were U.S. citizens arrested on warrants for felony larceny, driving on suspended licenses and drug possession.

    These operations will continue periodically and throughout the valley, Arpaio said, despite a growing number of open border activists doing everything they can to stop these operations. That simply will not happen on my watch.

  30. Non-Anon said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:22 pm:
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    Kaine is a nut!

  31. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:29 pm:
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    I hope BHO picks Timmy. Timmy would bring zero experience to the ticket and it would be another sign that BHO has poor judgement.

  32. info said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:37 pm:
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    Prosecutions may result from city’s sanctuary policy of harboring convicted felons
    The Examiner (Washington, DC), August 19, 2008

  33. Brian Leeper said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:53 pm:
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    “He said the house is totally destroyed inside and infested with cockroaches.”

    If the house remains empty through the winter and the utilities are turned off, the roaches will probably either die or leave from the cold.

    There was a 1/2″ layer of dead roaches behind the fridge in the foreclosure my friend bought but we’ve seen no live roaches. All I can figure is that since it was empty and the utilities turned off over the winter, they left and/or died.

  34. Brian Leeper said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:54 pm:
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    “There was a 1/2″ layer of dead roaches”

    I am not exaggerating. It is quite literally the most disgusting thing I’d ever seen, particularly taking into account the fact that there were people living in these conditions.

  35. Brian Leeper said on 20 Aug 2008 at 3:56 pm:
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    “Has anyone else heard about the Sonic that will be going in at the construction site by Costco? Mmmmm, Sonic.”

    If true….soon we needn’t drive 40 miles to Fredericksburg to get our Sonic fix…

  36. Mustang Marine wife said on 20 Aug 2008 at 4:14 pm:
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    Sonic would be awesome! I take a trip down to Fredericksburg about every other month or so for Sonic or Krispy Kreme donuts!

  37. manassascityresident said on 20 Aug 2008 at 4:18 pm:
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    My son will be THRILLED to hear that Sonic is coming to town!

  38. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 20 Aug 2008 at 4:38 pm:
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    I would like to see a Krispy Kreme as well!! I am with you on the Fredricksburg trip every other month (c:

  39. anon said on 20 Aug 2008 at 4:54 pm:
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    I thought that site was approved for a Chik Fil A. I heard months ago that a Sonic was coming a site near the new Walmart on Liberia. You’d think Sonic would eventually make its way north.

  40. Gainesville Resident said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:05 pm:
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    I heard that a Sonic might come to Gainesville in Virginia Gateway on Wellington on the way to Nissan.

  41. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:07 pm:
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    ya, the only time we get Sonic is if we move South. I too have heard a Chick Fil A was going into. A friend asked a construction worker on the site and that is what they said was going in there along with the Sonic.

    Also, why I have not tried them before this week… I went to Manassas Cleaners. They have been in business for over 50 years, and are locally owned.

  42. Brian Leeper said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:12 pm:
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    “You’d think Sonic would eventually make its way north.”

    There’s one in Pennsylvania somewhere, near York I think.

  43. Bridget said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:14 pm:
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    Thanks for the info, info.

    The next headline we want to read:

    “Prosecutions WILL result from city’s sanctuary policy of harboring convicted felons.”

    Along with the San Fransisco Immigration Rights Commision - these characters should be nailed to the wall:


    And the this guy who, incredibly, wants to be the next Governor of California:


  44. Big Dog said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:19 pm:
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    In answer to your question, my guess it was
    another funeral home trying to zing the competition.
    Those guys know how to dig up dirt and where the bodies
    are buried.

  45. info said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    Wow, everyone should see this.

    The Second American Revolution

  46. Big Dog said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:39 pm:
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    The MJM finally has a piece on their site about the
    escape from the ADC this morning. Nobody, apparently,
    was injured.

    There were phone calls this afternoon from ciitizens
    pleased to learn on reverse 911 that the convict
    was captured, but wondering why they weren’t notified
    when he escaped.

    Trust an “after action” report will be made ASAP.

    Officials certainly don’t want to spread unconfirmed
    and/or inaccurate information, but people in the ADC
    area need a warning when something like this
    happens. That, in part, is a reason for reverse 911.

  47. DPortM said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:49 pm:
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    The house two doors down from me was an illegal alien boarding house and a DAY CARE. The occupants moved out in the middle of the night. We went to look at the house and it was INFESTED WITH ROACHES with roaches in every single room! They were crawling up the walls. There was also a squatter in there that the police came and removed. He had removed the lock mechanism from the sliding glass door so he could come and go at will.

  48. Marcie Harris said on 20 Aug 2008 at 6:05 pm:
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    The escapee was found hiding in Mike Dixon’s back yard, I have been
    told. Uh, Mike Dixon, a Commonwealth Attorney.

  49. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Aug 2008 at 7:02 pm:
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    Sorry, I ment to say we only get sonic when we travel south.

  50. Johnson said on 20 Aug 2008 at 8:13 pm:
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    There’s a Sonic on every corner in Hampton Roads! Come on down! The menu is in english!!!

  51. ladyxx said on 20 Aug 2008 at 9:16 pm:
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    info said on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:29 pm:
    Wow, everyone should see this.

    The Second American Revolution


    Thanks info. That was great. Maybe we should run that guy for president. Much better than what we have to choose from now.

  52. me said on 20 Aug 2008 at 11:24 pm:
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    Old Woodbridge:

    I frequent Culpepper Drive to bring the kids down to Marumsco Hills Elementary School to play during the summer and to school during the school year. I always thought of that as a nice street.

    I drove by Culpepper Dr today and it looked good except one house and that is the house that has been a filthy mess for going on 2 years. The address is 2214 is that perhaps the one you were speaking about?

    This house has been turned in multiple times to Property Code Enforcement. NOTHING has happened. This house sits RIGHT next to an elementary school. It continues to get worse, just like many other houses over here. I always read how things are improving in Manassas yet we continue to get crap for services on the East end of the county. No matter how much we complain nothing changes. We can’t even get a sweep done over here. Neighbors have banded together to try and get things cleaned up and we end up getting spoken down to, harassed and lied to by the inspectors.

    The other street kids use to get to the school (Grayson) had trash and mattresses in the front yard for MONTHS and MONTHS before Property Code Enforcement took action. They had the ability to handle it faster and the Inspector choose not too. This is the type of CRAP service the citizens on the east end continuously receive from that department.

  53. Wolverine said on 20 Aug 2008 at 11:45 pm:
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    Roaches? Is that all? Try staying in one of those foreclosed, vacated places overnight and you undoubtedly will meet Mr. Bedbug and his very extended family. Might even be able to hear a rat … or two … or three … behind the drywall. Ain’t life just so gosh darn wonderful in Northern Virginia these days?
    Thank you, GWB! Thank you, Congress!

  54. anonymous said on 21 Aug 2008 at 12:51 am:
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    “We went to look at the house and it was INFESTED WITH ROACHES with roaches in every single room!”

    Would someone who is familiar with the social/cultural norms of Latin America tell us if it’s normal and accepted to have a severe roach infestation in one’s home in that part of the world?

    I’m trying to make an honest effort to understand, I really am.

  55. Dave in PWC said on 21 Aug 2008 at 7:35 am:
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    The mexican roaches are just doing the jobs American roaches won’t do

  56. elvis said on 21 Aug 2008 at 9:04 am:
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    that roach thing is nasty, I’ve never been in an illegal alien boarding house but I can only imagine. on another note, looks like I’m famous over on the “other” site, apparently I’m “evil” as well. Nice to think that I’m so loved all over the world :) never been called evil before, actually take that as a bit of a compliment.

    Drove down to the 7-11 this morning to get some coffee on the way into work, got approached by some illegals for work but I guess when they saw the gleam in the my eye they turned around, didnt have to say a word. this was on route-1 and parkway. I didnt look to see if that shelter was up, I should have.

  57. anon143 said on 21 Aug 2008 at 9:09 am:
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    elvis said on 21 Aug 2008 at 9:04 am

    That should keep them busy today. Let’s see how long they talk about you. I’m sure they’ll think of at least 50 different ways to discuss how “evil” you are….
    Talk about beating a dead horse. I say they need to get out of their basements and enjoy this beautiful day! That’s what I plan to do. TA-TA

  58. Free Citizen said on 21 Aug 2008 at 10:02 am:
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    The Hut/Tent is GONE>

    Your not kidding when you say Old Woodbridge doesn’t get the service it needs.
    Tried for years to get Barg to do a sweep. Never happened. Principi is just as bad.

    Personally I think they have a vendetta about Old Woodbridge. They sure take care of the areas South of Featherstone.

    That area is even getting all the road widening instead of the bottle neck from Featherstone NORTH to the Bridge crossing the river.

    They forget is all of us that pay their High salaries along with their many aides/assistants.

  59. KP said on 21 Aug 2008 at 10:50 am:
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    What is so special about Sonic? Never been to one. I always liked Hardee’s Big Deluxe, but that went away a long time ago. That use to be the only fast food place that burgers were cooked on a real grill by a real person.

  60. Big Dog said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:09 am:
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    The original Roy Roger’s were the best with Gino’s
    a close 2nd. A quality full salad/toppings bar at
    fast food prices.

  61. LOVE THE USA said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:09 am:
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    ELVIS goes from “tickle me” to “evil elvis” Nice transformation Elvis. Welcome to the “dark side”

  62. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:15 am:
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    elvis, I noticed there were quite a few at the Coverstone 7-11 this morning. Why can’t the police just cruise through about 7am or so and clear them out? Seems they are no longer afraid of the Rule of Law. The Police seem to enforce it at the beginning, but are getting lax in their continued support. I am willing to bet the owner would give them a hot coffee!!

  63. KP said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:18 am:
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    Big Dog,
    Are we showing our age? I liked Gino’s also and there was Burger Chef as well (With or Without?).

  64. KP said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:27 am:
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    And not to forget Churche’s Fried Chicken at the corner of Rt 28 and Manassas Drive (where Guapo’s is now).

  65. DPortM said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:44 am:
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    I loved Gino’s, too, until my brother started working there and told me what happened in the kitchen. I miss the Roy Rogers as well.

    How about Shakey’s? That was a great place to eat - and I loved to watch them make the pizzas.

    When you see day laborers on Coverstone Drive, call the non-emergency police number and the police will arrive within five minutes.

    Do you want to see the problem areas in PWC? Sign up with the Clean Community Council:

    When: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 – 9:00am

    Where: 4379 Ridgewood Center Drive, Suite 202, Prince William, VA 22192

    Why: Quarterly Litter Survey (1st Quarter 2008)

    RSVP Deadline: Wednesday, September 17, 2008

    Please check your calendar and let me know if you would like me to hold a seat on the van for you! We need 6 to 10 litter surveyors. So, if you know of a friend that is interested, please give me their name and I will save them a seat! There will be a brief video orientation before heading out to do the survey. I look forward to hearing from you! As always lunch will be provided by the Council immediately following the survey.

    Contact the Volunteer Coordinator at (703) 792-6272.

  66. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 21 Aug 2008 at 12:00 pm:
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    DPortM, I remember getting ready to go to Shakey’s pizza one evening. My oldest sis and I were playing “rocket”. She would sit on my feet and I would “launch” her to the other bed. It was great fun until mom said let’s go. We had to launch one more time and when she landed, she had broken her arm. We didn’t get to go to Shakey’s that night. It sucked real bad. Stupid sister couldn’t land right….sheeesh. Of course I didn’t have anything to do with it even though she sat on my feet and I launched her to the other bed (c:

    I will put the non emergency number in my cell. I will call when I see them there.

  67. KP said on 21 Aug 2008 at 12:22 pm:
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    Are there any Shakeys still around (other than in California)? I remember they used corn meal on the bottom so that the dough wouldn’t stick to the oven and $4 pitchers of beer. The one at Tysons used to have a lot of fights on Fri/Sat nights usually with a bunch of Pimmit Hills people.

  68. KP said on 21 Aug 2008 at 12:56 pm:
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    AP Exclusive: Crow offers free music to voters
    Who gives a crap about what any musician’s political views are? Intelligent people are not swayed by anything any musician has to offer in their biased opinion or stand. I certainly am not influenced by anyone in the entertainment business. Either I like what they do or I don’t (and I do like Crows’ work, but not her politics). My political beliefs are based upon the conservative environment I grew up in and not on the uneducated entertainer views just so they can try to force their beliefs on their lemmings or try to legalize their drug of choice.

  69. DPortM said on 21 Aug 2008 at 1:23 pm:
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    Medic, your sister just had to ruin your pizza night, didn’t she? My brother and I used to play “rocket,” too. Luckily, his boosters weren’t strong enough for me to break my arm!

    I encourage everyone who sees the day laborers trespassing & loitering to contact the police non-emergency number. They need to know in order to arrest them - and they do arrest them - I watched it happen a few weeks ago right in front of the 7-11.

  70. me-n-u said on 21 Aug 2008 at 2:04 pm:
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    Altmed is in the process of being cleaned up by the county. Weeds cut and trash cleaned. However it has been trashed again since the clean up. To see before and after shots go to on page one:

  71. me-n-u said on 21 Aug 2008 at 2:09 pm:
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    DPortM it was great to see the response time of the police. (5min.) It was also interesting to see the interaction of the police with the day labors and the arrest. I commend the police department for their efforts and quick response.

    We all have to do our part. Call 703-792-6500 if you see them there.

  72. me-n-u said on 21 Aug 2008 at 3:04 pm:
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    I just got the okay from the property management company that owns the property across the street from the 7-11 and the vacant building on Coverstone, for ANYONE to call the police if you see the day labors on their property. 703-792-6500. They DON’T want them there!

    The property is on the corner of Sage and Coverstone and the day labors have set up camp there. It looks like we will be able to clear that area out of day labors if everyone will help.

  73. anon143 said on 21 Aug 2008 at 3:18 pm:
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    Thanks for staying on top of that, DePortM and Me-n-u!

    I just don’t get it. The day laborers know that they shouldn’t be hanging out there. They’ve been chased off by the police and its obvious the citizens don’t want them there (except for the five over on the anti site), but they just don’t care one bit. This is just another example of their “in your face” attitude, which definitely adds fuel to the fire!

  74. Wolverine said on 21 Aug 2008 at 3:20 pm:
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    Anonymous, I cannot speak directly for the South of the Border culture but your query about habitation cleanliness as a cultural trait is an interesting one. I firmly believe that the problem has nothing to do with culture per se but, rather, with place and conditions. This has been my experience elsewhere in developing countries, and I would think it applies in a way to almost all cultures, including our own.

    I lived for many years in Africa, both in the “bush” and in the major cities. I can tell you that I have been in poverty-stricken villages in the “bush” where almost every home was wattle-and-daub with thatched roofs but where the homes and the common areas were kept so clean that you could almost eat off the dirt. However, when these same people were forced by economic or personal security reasons to crowd into the cities, that cleanliness trait disappeared in the agony of stark poverty, overcrowding, crime, poor local government, political corruption, and a loss of cultural self-esteem. In my opinion, these urban conditions created a vastly different “culture” in which the two primary casualties were: (1) the common good; and (2) consideration of public health. Now, the same village “mama” who swept and cleaned her compound faithfully every day begins to think nothing of throwing her household garbage into the common, vermin-attracting piles scattered throughout her urban ghetto. The worst part is that the kids wind up having little first-hand knowledge of the “old ways”, and their whole world becomes that of the decrepit abodes, the garbage piles, the roaches, the rats, and whatever. But it’s not really their “culture”. It’s a bad patch in life which many developing countries just cannot seem to overcome for a wide variety of reasons both economic and political.

    Although I have not traveled in Central or South America, I have read many articles and seen many photos of conditions in some of those countries. I think the same situation applies there, especially when people are forced by internal warfare or failing economies to crowd into the urban centers for reasons of safety and personal economic hope. From all accounts, for example, Rio de Janeiro is a fantastic city. But have we all not seen heart-wrenching photos of those absolutely horrible “favelas”? The same goes for Mexico City and many others.

    We have been guilty of the same sort of thing in this country. Many of our ancestors quickly left the major ports of entry and headed inland to smaller towns and farm country. This, I believe, enabled them to continue practicing many of the good parts of the cultures they left behind. Those who most often did not go beyond the ports of entry, e.g. the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, found themselves and at least the next generation locked into some of the worst and most hopeless ghettoes ever seen anywhere, created by some of the most evil, greedy landlords and employers we have ever produced in this country. And, like many modern Americans, the previous wave of immigrants, e.g. the Germans in New York, didn’t like what they were seeing and fled to other parts. It took the ones left behind a long time to successfully fight their way out of the ghetto culture.

    When the issue comes down to what we see around us now, we should perhaps consider that many of the new immigrants have been trapped in the same downward cycle I saw so often in Africa. It is not their innate “culture” which is to blame but perhaps, rather, an outcome of the conditions they have experienced recently and are currently experiencing in their lives. Whatever the outcome of the current, often bitter debate over the illegals in our midst, we have a here-and-now problem which needs to be addressed immediately before we wind up with ghettoes not unlike those in the New York of a century or more ago. Some will say it is a matter of “education”. That would help, I suppose. But I think really that it is also a critical matter of good government. We need our local authorities to get more serious about enforcing community standards with regard to zoning, public health, and the like. That might prove to be the best “education” of all, especially if it serves to break the vicious downward cycle I discussed above. Right now we seem too often to be lacking in the political will to use that educational tool. Maybe the old cartoon character “Pogo” was right: “We have seen the enemy, and he is us!”

    Just a few thoughts for a quiet Thursday afternoon. But let me emphasize one final thing: I am not talking about all the new Hispanic immigrants here, just a particular segment of that population which is helping to create the current inter-ethnic antagonism. I am certainly thankful that we as a nation had the common sense not to come down hard on all Italian immigrants , for example, just because of the Al Capones and the Lucky Lucianos. What a tremendous loss that would have been for our own unique, blended culture.

  75. Johnson said on 21 Aug 2008 at 3:56 pm:
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    Hope this made it through. CNN’s PC Police were asleep at the wheel.

  76. Johnson said on 21 Aug 2008 at 4:00 pm:
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    Wolverine is correct in the fact that we need to keep our standards high and bring others up to our level, not sink to theirs. This issue is huge with everyone.

  77. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 21 Aug 2008 at 4:42 pm:
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    DPortM, I was wondering if that was something that anyone else played. She was a scrawny thing so it was easy to boost her to the other bed (c: I was upset with her for ruining the pizza night, how dare she break an arm when we were headed to Shakey’s!!! I was excited about going and she wanted one more launch so I did it quickly which turned out to be a mistake. Hind sight is 20/20 (c:

    Wolverine, Very nice post. I think it is like the NYC broken window theory. If they see it being done without any consequences then it must be ok. We need to make sure everyone understands that it is not ok to just toss your garbage at the curb. The problem is, they do not WANT to listen or adjust to the new culture, everyone is expected to adjust to theirs even though they are in the US.

  78. Gainesville Resident said on 21 Aug 2008 at 5:26 pm:
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    Does anyone remember Pappy Parker’s Fried Chicken or Hot Shoppes? It was a special treat to go to the Hot Shoppes in Shirlington growing up. They had the best chicken noodle soup. Ahh, memories! My sister worked at Burger Chef and then went on to Drug Faire with the soda fountain. People’s had a soda fountain too.

  79. elvis said on 21 Aug 2008 at 5:56 pm:
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    yeah, they need someone to talk about. I give them a week before they find someone else to seek entertainment from :) that 7-11 has decent coffee, although I prefer starbucks I sometimes stop there when my caffeine level is getting low and I’m in the neighborhood.

    since we are on food I’m a big sonic fan, it’s a drive for me though. my ALL time favorite is in-n-out burger which according to me has no substitutes! if only they have one on this coast! their burgers are awesome. remember whataburger? you can get some serious calorie cannons there! they have this huge triple-decker burger that must be easy 3000 calories. back as a kid I used to stop at whataburger after a long night of pounding brews :)

  80. Colonial83 said on 21 Aug 2008 at 6:09 pm:
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    I love In-Out Burger! I’ve got the t-shirt.

  81. anon143 said on 21 Aug 2008 at 6:18 pm:
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    Wolverine said on 21 Aug 2008 at 3:20 pm:

    Outstanding post!

  82. Dave in PWC said on 21 Aug 2008 at 11:43 pm:
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    I remember Shakeys, but it was in Charlotte and on Friday nights they showed the old 9mm films of the 3 Stooges and other comedies with Laurel and Hardy. Good pizza

  83. elvis said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:08 am:
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    if I’m not mistaken in-n-out burger is one of the highest payed jobs (if not the highest) in fast food. all family owned (like whataburger) and all their ingredients are fresh. I also heard they dont hire illegal aliens, not able to prove that fact as it’s hearsay however.

  84. elvis said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:11 am:
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    the anti folks are still griping about that illegal alien kid who got killed by the white football players. extremely tragic story and i think it’s pretty horrible however the kid would not have been killed had he not been here illegally. I’m sad that a woman has to care for their kid alone and that a kid lost a father, tragic stuff.

    immigration is broke, it would have been great if this kid had been caught in a raid or something. would have saved his life. I think those kids who beat him should get the chair of course, or stoned.

  85. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:20 am:
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    Sheriff Negotiates Secret Deal With Illegal Immigrants
    Wed, 08/20/2008 - 15:35 — Judicial Watch Blog

    The sheriff’s department in a southern California county has privately settled an unusual harassment lawsuit filed by illegal immigrant day laborers who claim deputies violated their constitutional rights by preventing them from seeking work on a street corner.

    With the help of a notoriously liberal civil rights group, fifty day laborers in the Lake Forest suburb of about 80,000 residents sued the Orange County Sheriff’s deputies who patrol an area infested with loitering illegal immigrants seeking work. Business owners and residents had long complained that the men littered, urinated in public and trespassed.

    Officers tried to clean up the area, telling the day laborers that they couldn’t seek work on the street corner and threatening to arrest or ticket them if they did. The day laborers accused the deputies of violating their free speech rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Their lawsuit states that the deputies’ actions are illegal and discriminatory because they target the speech of a specific group and leave no alternative avenue for the day laborers to advertise their availability for work.

    The case was set to go to trial in a federal courtroom in nearby Santa Ana this week, but hours before opening arguments the Orange County Sheriff’s Department reached a settlement that neither party will disclose. The group representing the day laborers announced that it might make the settlement public next week, but the county seems to have no intention of doing the same.

    It seems outrageous that a law enforcement agency would agree not to enforce the law in order to appease those who violate it. If in fact, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department has negotiated a deal that affords illegal immigrants special treatment, the public certainly has the right to know.


    How can this happen? This is going to set a precedent that should not be set. Something has to be done about this and the dumba$$ lawyers that helped them.

  86. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:26 am:
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    I just do not understand how someone in the country ILLEGALLY can sue a law enforcement agency for doing their job. This is totally absurd!!!! I had to read it again. This type of action is going to ruin America as we know it. I almost believe we are too late in trying to get a hold on this problem. All it would take is for them to get organized because there are more of them than military folks we have.

  87. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:30 am:
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    I watched a PWC police car drive right by the day laborers at Coverstone 7-11 today. They made a left turn and drove right by them. The people watched them drive by and were laughing and joking after they passed. It was disgusting the way they blatantly have no respect for the law. I didn’t get the car number because I had the green light and was getting honked at as it was. I just sat in disbelief for a second.

  88. Big Dog said on 22 Aug 2008 at 12:02 pm:
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    Showing my age? Well, by crackey, I’m a decade
    younger than McCain!
    Use to also enjoy the lunch counter at the Woolworth
    in Manassas Shopping Center - could eat and be entertained
    by the birds in the pet section across the aisle.
    The counter at Cocke’s pharmacy was also good if you
    wanted to know the inside story of what was really
    happening in town - and then to Rohr’s for penny candy.
    When my children were little, we loved
    the Manassas Shakey’s - during open mike they would
    race up to sing on the small stage. Of course, they
    would mainly sing songs they had learned in
    Sunday School - sadly, not sure that would be allowed today.

    (And “Hail to the Redskins” - they learned from TV and me-
    was always a crowd pleaser - talk about sing-a-longs)

  89. Johnson said on 22 Aug 2008 at 1:18 pm:
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  90. Gainesville Resident said on 22 Aug 2008 at 1:32 pm:
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    Was there a Farrell’s out here in PWC? I always went to the one in Springfield Mall. I loved the pig’s trough coming out on the stretcher with the drum.

  91. KP said on 22 Aug 2008 at 1:43 pm:
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    I think the closest Farrels was in Tysons Corner. The big one was called the “Zoo” and had like 4 gallons of ice cream in it. I remember the 3 Stooges movies at Shakeys in Tysons too. I don’t remember Rohrs, but do remember Peter Pan in Vienna where you could buy live baby chickens and ducks as well as fireworks all year long (think they had a lunch counter too). Topps (sp?) in Fairfax Circle was another one where you would drive up and order in your car and they would bring it to you. I remember Safeway at Manassas Park Rt 28. Is that where Woolworths used to be?

  92. anonymous said on 22 Aug 2008 at 2:16 pm:
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    Woolworth’s used to be in the same shopping center as JE Rice. Wasn’t all that long ago that they were still around..maybe 20 years?

  93. elvis said on 22 Aug 2008 at 2:19 pm:
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    Illegals have no respect for the law, they are common criminals. it will be a very nice day when local law enforcement is required to pick up these scum. it wont take long for them to realize that they shouldnt be here. I know some will say it will be a drain on the police forces but it wont last long. arrest every damn one of them and let immigration sort them out. Swift and immediate deportation and the threat of immediate prison time when/if they return.

    I’m still all for setting up camps where these illegal immigrants can be stowed. make them do work for the economy, like picking up trash working on chain gangs and such. no reason to not follow sheriff joes lead and set up a tent city complete with balogna sandwiches and such.

    could always send the worst of them to guantanamo bay cuba and stick them with the terrorists as well. idea’s abound!!

  94. G Man said on 22 Aug 2008 at 2:59 pm:
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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ………

    I am noting some articles in the Bull Run Observer about some schools in the county expecting fewer students for next year, and how this makes possible once again good things like music class and more individual time for students. Funny though the educators all attribute the decrease in students to factors like redrawn district boundaries and new schools opening in the county. None mention less illegal alien students due to the resolution.

  95. Johnson said on 22 Aug 2008 at 3:41 pm:
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    G Man-
    I’m surprised that they didn’t blame the reduction on alien abductions (no pun intended). Has anyone heard any noise from FFX or Montgomery Co., MD.?

  96. Big Dog said on 22 Aug 2008 at 4:12 pm:
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    Woolworth was in the same shopping center with
    JE Rice, a large Drug Fair, Acme Grocery and, near
    the breeze way, one of the Two Days Gift stores.
    A good trivia question for an old timer in the area
    is to name the original store at the site of Target in
    Manassas Mall (and it wasn’t Hecht’s).

  97. Colonial83 said on 22 Aug 2008 at 5:04 pm:
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    That would be Leggett, Big Dog. As I recall, they were the last store in town to be closed on Sundays.

  98. anonymous said on 22 Aug 2008 at 5:11 pm:
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    The Hecht’s opened in 1996. I can’t, however, remember what there there before. Maybe Legget?

  99. Big Dog said on 22 Aug 2008 at 5:51 pm:
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    Nope, it was W.T. Grant (once had a 1,000 stores in US)
    It then became the original Hecht location in the mall.
    Leggett’s came well after the mall opened - their orignal
    Manassas spot was near where the Barnes&Noble store is now
    -further down 234 - they moved in Manassas Mall where
    J.C. Penney is now.

    (Hecht’s never replaced the metal roof over the car
    service section of Grant’s - consequently, every thunderstorm
    hitting that area made a huge racket.)

    Think Target gutted everything before they moved in.

  100. anonymous said on 22 Aug 2008 at 5:51 pm:
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    So I’ve been playing with Terraserver and looking at the topo map for Manassas from 1984. I notice that it shows a Cloud Cathedral where Battlefield Ford is now.

  101. anonymous said on 22 Aug 2008 at 5:59 pm:
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    Actually, I think it was a trick question! I thought about it further and I thought that Target was in a new part of the building…so I did some checking.

    The part of the mall Target didn’t exist in 1989. I’m looking at an aerial photo from 1989, the Google satellite view from 2000 or whenever they last updated it, and the interactive mall map on Manassas Mall’s website. All seems to confirm that the Target part of the building was just not there 19 years ago.

  102. anonymous said on 22 Aug 2008 at 6:00 pm:
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    The part of the building Target is in is the closest to Rixlew Lane. In 1989 that was a parking lot.

  103. Marcie Harris said on 22 Aug 2008 at 7:35 pm:
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    Can any one of you give me the name of the Hispanic inspector who wears
    his hair in a pony tail? I will appreciate any information you can provide me
    on the individual.

  104. BattleCat said on 22 Aug 2008 at 8:10 pm:
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    Am I dreaming? Pinch Me!!!


  105. legal2 said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:07 pm:
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    reported on wmal @ 3:30 today: ICE, unsuccessful with the # of illegals turning themselves in for deportation (total of 8), will continue to go after them at work or at home.

  106. Red Dawn said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:38 pm:
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    I have been hearing they have been returning home and sending word to not come to the US as the economy is tanking.
    The question I have as I pinch you, why are they fleeing?

  107. BattleCat said on 22 Aug 2008 at 9:48 pm:
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    Red Dawn,

    Well, the economy is probably number one, ICE activity recently is number two (my guess). I think the best thing Bush could do is direct ICE to crack down hard to get as many out as possible before McAmnesty or Obama come along and demand amnesty for the rest.

  108. Red Dawn said on 22 Aug 2008 at 10:28 pm:
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    I agree and would have responded to my question the same way.
    Why is our economy tanking? I still see the ICE raids as a spin of of the ICE Capades, all for show.

  109. legal2 said on 22 Aug 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    Don’t you think our economy is tanking in large part to the outsourcing of most of our country’s industry which made it economically strong, and which now empowers heretofore third-world or depressed countries, China being the most benefitted?

  110. Red Dawn said on 22 Aug 2008 at 11:39 pm:
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    If the question above was directed to me,ABSOLUTELY!!!! So what are we fighting for?

    Budweiser sold out, that was the end for me. Just kidding, BUT . NOT! ;)

    Look at the BASICS. It started with customer service!!!!!!!!!!

    We have become numb to calling a company when things didn’t go right. We thought NOTHING of giving a sh#t to the person on the other end of the call ( minimum skills, right? or Lack of appreciation? that is why it got outsourced,low paying/high turn over)

    This was the first outsourcing that I can remember and complain about.

    I also (as a matter of fact= today) can’t stand the fact of talking to a computer only to be transfered to a PERSON that says, oh, you have the wrong department let me transfer you and either get hung, etc.,BUT before they do that, they want to tell you about their new products and services.

    I got thru all of that ( nothing new) and ended up talking to the tech in Indonesia (sp) - I asked……


  111. DPortM said on 23 Aug 2008 at 6:20 am:
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    Marcie Harris,

    As far as I know, in PWC there is only one Hispanic zoning inspector - his name is Chavez.


    Read about the “Prince William Effect” in Arlington here:


  112. Big Dog said on 23 Aug 2008 at 8:12 am:
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    I was at the ribbon cutting for the opening of Manassas
    Mall and W.T. Grant was the anchor store for that
    end of the mall, when it closed the building became the
    original location of Hecht’s and later was torn apart,
    enlarged and reconfigured to become Target. This
    is easy to check by reading the MJM’s of the period -
    on file at the Bull Run Library.

    The point is that the only thing that does not change is
    change - even things in the fairly recent past. A
    Happy New Year page in the MJM in 1972 was
    sponsored by twenty local stores - only two are
    still around - MIFCO and JE Rice.

    The Haft family owned Dart Drug, Trak Auto and
    a chain of bookstores (one was in Manaport)
    - what was it named?

  113. DG2 said on 23 Aug 2008 at 8:37 am:
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    Crown books?

  114. Marcie Harris said on 23 Aug 2008 at 8:44 am:
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    DPortM, thank you for your information re Inspector Chavez. Experience in
    my neighborhood has been, in several cases, when a zoning complaint is made, this inspector is sent to “examine” the validity of the complaint
    (which usually turns out to be according to Chavez,”NO violation”) and
    then he informs the residents that this neighborhood is VERY prejudiced.
    This, in my mind, is outrageous and it is my intention to report his
    behavior to proper authorities.

  115. anonymous said on 23 Aug 2008 at 10:11 am:
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    “when it closed the building became the
    original location of Hecht’s and later was torn apart,
    enlarged and reconfigured to become Target.”

    The Target was built on a site that is about 1/2 of the Hechts and about 1/2 parking lot. It was shifted further back from 234, closer to Ashton and the entrance off Rixlew. In fact you must turn after entering the mall parking lot off the Rixlew Ln entrance, otherwise you’ll crash into the Target. You didn’t need to turn prior to the Target being built, at least not to avoid a building (maybe a curb).

  116. anonymous said on 23 Aug 2008 at 10:12 am:
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    “It was shifted”

    it IS shifted. It hasn’t moved since being built ;)

  117. Rick Bentley said on 23 Aug 2008 at 10:42 am:
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    About 9:30 AM Saturday morning I saw about 15 day laborers sitting in the grass on the block across from the Coverstone 7-11. So I called it in (703- 792-6500 ). About 10-15 minutes later I saw a police car/truck drive by and look at them, then leave with no action.

    I called back to the non-emergency line and a dispatcher (they are always professional and helpful BTW) told me the officer cleared the call because the men were in a “common area” with no signs posted.

    Are they good to sit over there? Or was this a mistake on the police’s part? If anyone could clarify what the address is they squat on and whether the police should clear them, I’d appreciate it, thanks.

  118. Rick Bentley said on 23 Aug 2008 at 11:03 am:
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    The dispatcher said that the officer’s report said it was a common area and with no sign posted about No Tresspassing, so there was nothing they could do.

  119. Rick Bentley said on 23 Aug 2008 at 11:06 am:
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    Meanwhile the laborers are standing in road medians and at various intersections near side roads and highways, as well.

  120. legal2 said on 23 Aug 2008 at 11:49 am:
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    Aren’t there loitering laws? and unlawful assembly laws?

  121. Big Dog said on 23 Aug 2008 at 1:07 pm:
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    Crown Books it was — think Dart, Trak and Crown
    were all money making enterprises but the Haft family
    imploded in huge fight.
    Someday you may be explaining that Sears is in the area
    where Montgomery Ward was in Manassas Mall and
    Walmart went up on the original Sears location. Unless,
    it all changes again.

  122. me-n-u said on 23 Aug 2008 at 1:47 pm:
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    Rick Bentley, There some misunderstanding of the property owner across the street from 7-11 (same side as Racetrac) so hold off on calling the police if they are on that side. If they are on the property immediately adjacent to the 7-11 there is a signed agreement between that property owner and the police. So you or ANYONE else can call if they see them there.

    DPortM and I have called several times when we have seen them on this property and they respond in 10 minutes or less. They will wait until they clear out. After the police come the day laborers stay away from the property for the rest of the day. The police also arrested one of the day laborers.

    A lot of these so called day laborers are hanging out. They congregate everyday for their social hour(s). There are not too many people that are going to pick up workers at 3:00 or 4:00pm; most workdays are just about over by that time.

  123. me-n-u said on 23 Aug 2008 at 1:48 pm:
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    Marcie Harris if you can, take a picture of the violation and send it in with your complaint. There have been numerous complaints about Chavez and you really need to complain about him also.

  124. Marcie Harris said on 23 Aug 2008 at 3:20 pm:
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    me-n-u, I will indeed send pictures with my complaint. My starting
    point is John Stirrup (I live in his district), but if you have a better
    suggestion, let me know. I’m relatively new at this.

  125. me-n-u said on 23 Aug 2008 at 7:38 pm:
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    Marcie Harris, I hope you see this. Here is the link you need “Complaint Form for Property Violations”

  126. Marcie Harris said on 23 Aug 2008 at 8:14 pm:
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    me-n-u, this is the exact form emailed to me by someone in the zoning
    office. I was instructed to complete the form and have it ready to hand
    over to the inspector. I completed the form, of course, but the inspector
    didn’t bother to stop by my home to get the completed form. Rather,
    he went across the street where the many cars/trucks are parked and he
    talked to the residents (the ones who were at home at the time) and I
    saw him leave after spending 5 minutes of speaking with the residents,
    during which time he determined that the 5 families living there are all
    “related”. Before leaving; however, he informed the residents that this
    neighborhood is very “racist” towards Hispanics. Obviously, he gave them
    the green light to do whatever they wish. This guy must be stopped.

  127. me said on 23 Aug 2008 at 8:38 pm:
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    me-n-u said on 23 Aug 2008 at 1:47 pm:
    Rick Bentley, There some misunderstanding of the property owner across the street from 7-11 (same side as Racetrac) so hold off on calling the police if they are on that side

    A piece of property across the street is owned by Covertone Apartments. Furthermore there is an old cemetery at the top of the hill under the trees. If you see people in the cemetery call the Police!!!!

  128. anon said on 23 Aug 2008 at 10:45 pm:
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    How do you know Chavez told the people across the street that the neighborhood is racist toward Hispanics? I’m not saying he DIDN’T say that, please note. Did you hear him? Did those people tell you he said that?

  129. Johnson said on 23 Aug 2008 at 11:52 pm:
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    Thanks! They just don’t get it, do they? Why is it the “Prince William” phenomenon and not the “Illegal Alien” phenom? Are liberals really that blind to things that they don’t like?

  130. Rick Bentley said on 24 Aug 2008 at 6:47 am:
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    Does anyone know what Coverstone Apartments’ position is on those guys sitting there day after day?

    As to the zoning, I think it would be a great solution if those guys had to PROVE they are related, using LEGAL ID - something that belongs to citizens or legal residents. Obviously the current situation where the inspector has to try to prove they are not is ludicrous.

  131. Marcie Harris said on 24 Aug 2008 at 10:02 am:
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    Yes, anon….I was told by one of the occupants. She could only identify
    the inspector as “The Latino who has a pony tail”. I cannot swear that
    his name is Chavez; however, according to DportM, Chavez is the
    only hispanic inspector.

  132. Johnson said on 24 Aug 2008 at 10:46 am:
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    I’m just sayin’-

  133. Elvis said on 24 Aug 2008 at 12:24 pm:
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    interesting story in todays paper, about a business that cleans up after forclosures in PWC. the interesting part about this story is that it alluded to primarily foreclosures vacated by hispanics. it also mentioned that one time the contractor entered a home with 6-7 families living in it that didnt know the home was foreclosed on. This was in the washington post, prince william section.

    I’ve been in a couple foreclosures that were vacated by hispanic families, I went into them as open houses. They were being sold “as-is” in most cases and in most cases they were completely hammered inside and out. I know of one home on the market that was formerly a boarding house; single-family home, fairly nice on the outside but the inside looked like a bomb went off. they were selling for over 25k under the market value of the home and they cannot seem to make a sale. it was previously rented by more than 5 families and the owner foreclosed. supposedly he didnt know about the 5 families but I call BS on that one.

    Illegal aliens live worse than gerbils and they perpetuate an aura of lawlessness wherever they are. and I just had to add this little blurb in (elena this is for you baby!), they do live in some ways as “sub-humans”, not because they “are” sub-human, but because they put themselves in the position to BE sub-human. So basically it’s their fault they live crappy lifestyles and they deserve to reap the issues/problems of that lifestyle. However the rest of the population does not have to deal with the crap and that’s where I have issues with them. I dont care where they live and what they do as long as I dont have to be exposed to the results of their lawless and filthy behavior. But I would be most happy if they would just leave our country and go back to being filthy and disgusting somewhere else.

    deport them all and let the mexico or wherever they came from deal with them.

  134. Black Saint J said on 24 Aug 2008 at 12:36 pm:
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    Both Barrack and McCain are on the wrong side of the most important issue facing the future viability of this Nation! It is not terrorist or outside forces that will destroy this nation but the Political correctness that prevent Politicians or anyone to even discuss or addressing serious National problems without being labeled racist or worse by the loony Left and our creeping descent into an second class economic power, the forces from within will, like most great Nations, be the force that destroys the USA. The short slightness of our Citizens and/or misplaced compassion and Politicians pandering for votes and total focus on the next election instead of the future of this Nation as designed and envision by our founding Fathers in our Constitution, will if not addressed, lead us into a third world status and as an beacon of hope and freedom since 1776 for many of the worlds population. As well as the hope and dreams of the Citizens for their children and grandchildren, Citizens that have immigrated here legally obeyed the Laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and thought their sacrifices with blood, sweat and tears built the greatest Nation on Earth!

    Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 Amnesty engineered by the socialist, drunk and killer Ed Kennedy. Thereby, increasing the welfare and crime rate more than any single bill ever passed, (with the possible exception of probation on crime) while encouraged millions of uneducated peons & criminals to pour across our borders until now we have suffered the largest invasion in the history of the world.

    The 20 to 40 millions of uneducated illegal aliens currently residing in this country is turning the USA into the largest Socialist Nation in the world. Each person with less than a high school education, Legal or Illegal is an net drain of 20k per year on the backs of American tax payers.

    The businesses employing the Illegal Aliens are in effect enjoying nearly slave labor while pocketing the profits and driving down our standard of living while passing on the actual cost to American tax payers of not only his employees but all of their family members residing with them.

    The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both Presidential candidates pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!

    The globalist, multiculturalism, open border advocates, liberals & businesses profiting from and exploiting Illegal Aliens argue that they, the Illegal Aliens, pay tons of taxes, sure they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books approximately 35 % using stolen Social Security numbers or other fraudulent documents pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working. In fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! Of course, the remaining 65% of the Illegal Aliens working off the books typically work for cash and pay nothing except real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states).

    Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they’re part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

    The Latinos that make up the largest group of the Illegal Aliens population has the largest school drop out rate of any ethnic group in the USA, second highest illegitimate birth rate, second highest crime rate, highest total birth rate and recent studies confirm they start dropping out of school, using drugs, having illegitimate kids, joining gangs at an earlier age then any ethnic group in the USA. This behavior continues even after citizenship and down through each generation. This culture characteristic explains why Mexico and Latin American, while having more natural resources and moderate climate than most First World Nations are still mired in an Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!

    Mexico’s and Latin American’s primary economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the Victims as they rob, rape and slaughter Americans by the 10,s of thousands, Businesses to Exploit and profit from, and for Corrupt Politicians to Pander and Cuddle! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!

    Amnestying them & with chain immigration for their relatives and their relatives in an never ending chain will add 100,s of millions, a vast underclass of fast breeding, uneducated citizens that will make it impossible to continue the social network for American tax payers. When that occurs you will see riots, fires and pillage from coast to coast that will make the recent rioting in French by Muslim immigrants look like an cook out!

    A recent study by the International Monetary fund confirms that remittance is not only is bad for the remittance country but for the country receiving the money. It allows the home country (normally third world nations) to keep from addressing the problems and improving their citizens standard of living and continue the same policies and keeping in power the corrupt government without facing an revolution and demands from citizens for improvements. So, our open borders and amnesty for the invading horde of illegal aliens is not only bad policy for this Nation but perpetrates the poverty and misery in the home countries.

    We are now seeing that the Illegal Aliens can not only impact this Nation but the global economy as well. Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy! Just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they have spread their negative impact across the Globe.

    It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Illegal Aliens are costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate this economy and force Mexico & Latin American to address their problems!

    Last but not least, all Nations immigration policies are by design & intent suppose to enhance the Nation and its Citizens that immigrated legally, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and built the nation! Clearly for the reasons numerated above Amnesty for the invading horde of uneducated peons and criminals does not meet this criteria.

    They certainly must not be used to further the political careers and lust for power of Corrupt/Pandering Politicians like Barrack & McCain!

  135. CitizenofManassas said on 24 Aug 2008 at 6:25 pm:
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    Does anyone remember the Old Arlington theater? Or, the Buckingham? Parkington? We also used to eat at Geno’s. How about the Pony rides at Bailey’s cross roads? “When inside the beltway” meant inside the beltway?

  136. anonymous said on 24 Aug 2008 at 7:04 pm:
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    “So basically it’s their fault they live crappy lifestyles and they deserve to reap the issues/problems of that lifestyle.”

    Poor choices lead to poor outcomes.

  137. Gainesville Resident said on 24 Aug 2008 at 8:59 pm:
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    I growing up I lived on the border of Alexandria/Arlington, so I remember the Buckingham theater and Parkington (which is now Balston). I saw my first movie at the Buckingham which was Sound of Music. Geno’s was on Glebe Road and rt.50. I remember the little carnival at Bailey’s Crossroads. It sure is different now.

  138. Gainesville Resident said on 24 Aug 2008 at 9:00 pm:
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    Oops, I meant to say Growing up as opposed to I growing up.

  139. Anonymous said on 24 Aug 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    Gainesville Resident said on 24 Aug 2008 at 8:59 pm:
    I remember the little carnival at Bailey’s Crossroads.

    Every day is a carnival there now!

  140. Anonymous said on 24 Aug 2008 at 11:17 pm:
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    Marcie Harris said on 24 Aug 2008 at 10:02 am:
    Yes, anon….I was told by one of the occupants. She could only identify
    the inspector as “The Latino who has a pony tail”. I cannot swear that
    his name is Chavez; however, according to DportM, Chavez is the
    only hispanic inspector.

    Chris aka Lafayette should be able to provide you with her experiences with Sr. Chavez.

  141. CitizenofManassas said on 25 Aug 2008 at 8:27 am:
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    Yup those were good times. How about the Bob’s Big Boy that was on Columbia Pike?

  142. anonymous said on 25 Aug 2008 at 11:08 am:
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    “Chris aka Lafayette”

    I don’t know what happened with her, but I wouldn’t expect much help at all.

  143. DPortM said on 25 Aug 2008 at 12:03 pm:
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    Marcie Harris,

    We have had similar experiences with Senor Chavez in Westgate/Sudley. It is important to send photos so the complaint will be “founded.” Send your photos and complaint to nsd@pwcgov.org. Request that your complaint remain anonymous. The person to complain to is the head of Neighborhood Services. I think his name is Tom Brun, or something like that.

  144. Anonymous said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:21 pm:
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    anonymous said on 25 Aug 2008 at 11:08 am:
    “Chris aka Lafayette”

    I don’t know what happened with her, but I wouldn’t expect much help at all.

    She probably got her area cleaned up and said “to hell with everyone else.)

  145. anonymous said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:49 pm:
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    She was very “gung ho” at one point. Maybe she’s burned out.

  146. madmom said on 25 Aug 2008 at 5:44 pm:
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    Just a comment on what Wolverine said earlier. Sorry, but my take on the “don’t give a sh*t” attitude when groups of people rent houses….
    they now have the “renter’s mentality”. This is usually a shock to never before homeowners when they can’t just call someone to fix their leaky
    faucet anymore. When you rent, you depend on someone else to fix it or clean it up….because it’s not YOURS. I think if you are a clean person in one place, you will be clean anywhere you go. Didn’t think of this til now, but it could be that the one or two clean people in the house get/got tired of cleaning up after the slobs and give up…..

  147. Marcie Harris said on 25 Aug 2008 at 6:09 pm:
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    DPortM, thanks so much for your advice and the info you have provided.
    I believe that anonymous must be right about “Lafayette”. She was,
    at one time, a very faithful contributor to this blog, but for some reason,
    she dropped off the radar screen. Too bad, because I believe she did
    a lot of good works when it came to the illegals, i.e. posting photos
    of various scenes of Coverstone 7-11, etc. She was especially into
    getting rid of gang related markings. Perhaps she has been intimidated
    by some gang members?

  148. Elvis said on 25 Aug 2008 at 7:42 pm:
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    I know Chris and/or lafayette (not sure if they are the same people or not) have been over on the “other” board. they seem dedicated to the illegal alien problem, I’ve not seen any apologist behavior from him/her/them so I would have to disagree with the above. maybe he/she/it/they just needed a change of pace or something? I’m just guessing here but from looking at the posts here and those on the other board it appears that they all coincide with someone attempting to make things better for the community. I dont know them so I’m just calling it how I see it. now the others over there have a different game plan for sure but that’s a whole other discussion for a whole other day :)

  149. anony said on 25 Aug 2008 at 8:18 pm:
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    Trust me, a photo is no guarantee of “founded” on a case to NSD.

    In fact, you’ll be lucky if it even gets you a second glance or a second visit from some of the inspectors - can’t speak to the one under discussion however - don’t know him.

    That said, take the photos (keep detailed info), send them, and then use them as evidence when you have take it further up the chain of command to Craig Gerhart when employees aren’t doing their jobs.

  150. legal2 said on 25 Aug 2008 at 9:20 pm:
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    HelpSavManassas is having a meeting this Wednesday at 7:30 (on the website) and maybe the neighborhood services issues can be addressed.

  151. DPortM said on 26 Aug 2008 at 6:27 am:
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    With the exception of Inspector Chavez, every case I have turned in with photos has been founded. And with Inspector Chavez, other than overcrowding, my cases were considered “founded” but the violation(s) was/were supposedly abated. Of course, because no fines were incurred, almost 100% of the cases that Chavez handled are now “repeat offenders,” meaning they are doing the very same thing(s) they were doing before.

    Neighborhood Services is now going to list violators as “repeat offenders” with fines.

    Pat Reilly with Neighborhood Services will be at the HSM meeting Wednesday night. I invite everyone to come and listen to what you can do to help clean up our communities.


  152. Lafayette said on 26 Aug 2008 at 10:46 am:
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    Do you know me or not? If you did you would know that I am a FEMALE.
    Pick name. You seem to know about me, and yet I know NOTHING about you.
    Anonymous said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:21 pm:
    anonymous said on 25 Aug 2008 at 11:08 am:
    “Chris aka Lafayette”

    I don’t know what happened with her, but I wouldn’t expect much help at all.

    She probably got her area cleaned up and said “to hell with everyone else.)

    Wrong!! I will still help any and all that contact me. I choose not to post here anymore, because I’ve some I’ve my comments deleted, and that doesn’t sit too well with me.
    Still hard at work. Took these this morning


    Yes, I am still working for hard for our community. It has improved, but it’s certainly not time to give up.

    Found new taggings this morning on Sudley Manor Drive, and I’ve called the PWPD. It appears to be more gang taggings.


  153. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Aug 2008 at 11:51 am:
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    I drove by Coverstone this morning and the day laborers were gone. I wonder if the PWC read this blog on occassion. If they do, thanks for your service and enforcement of the Rule of Law!!!!

  154. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Aug 2008 at 1:52 pm:
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    Ohh the travesty!!! Several ILLEGAL aliens have been swept up in a raid in MS. The poor families they are “leaving behind”. You know, there are consequences for your actions and because your actions were not legal, you have to pay the consequences of being separated from your family and being deported. There is nothing saying that your family can not join you in your home country!!! I am tired of no consequences for your actions because the PC police thinks it is terrible to separate families. BS!!! You made your bed, now you have to lie in it!!! If you have not come here ILLEGALLY in the first place, you wouldn’t have to worry about this, huh???

    The apparent disregard is for those here LEGALLY!!!


    I guess they are not doing the jobs Americans won’t do:


  155. CitizenofManassas said on 26 Aug 2008 at 4:44 pm:
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    I drove by this morning as well, and I noticed the illegals were in the Racetrack station parking lot.

  156. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Aug 2008 at 4:47 pm:
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    I noticed only a few on the “right of way” over there COM. I hope the officers come by later to check to make sure they have not migrated back. I have noticed them there in the evening on my way home as well. It almost seems like a hangout all day. I do not think anyone is looking for help around 6:30PM :)

  157. anony said on 26 Aug 2008 at 4:58 pm:
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    DPortM –

    I suspect the reason you have cases come back as founded (other than the 1 person) is because you live on the west end.

    Try living on the east end. It’s not the same inspectors - or the same attitude.

  158. CitizenofManassas said on 26 Aug 2008 at 9:55 pm:
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    Well as it just so happened, as I was looking at the illegals on the property, back toward the vending machines and bathrooms(At least I think that is what the building is) a motorcycle cop rode right by the station without stopping.

  159. DPortM said on 27 Aug 2008 at 6:01 am:
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    I am sorry to hear that. Have you submitted photos with your complaints? You can also complain to Michelle Casiato, your supervisor, or the top dog Public Works Director, Thomas Bruun.

  160. Love The USA said on 27 Aug 2008 at 2:54 pm:
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    Don’t think good ‘ole Frank will be much help. Go to the top!

  161. Elvis said on 27 Aug 2008 at 5:33 pm:
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    agreed, frank will be no help. he’s about the most worthless supervisor there is. I thought Barg was bad, but this guy is well…the same. he’s “barg junior” and probably the most worthless person out there. If he could allow the illegal aliens and their ilk to overrun the County he would.

    Hilda and her crew have allowed the woodbridge area to become the biggest haven for Illegals in PWC and it’s no wonder why the murumsco area is a haven for MS-13 criminals. It’s well know that Marumsco is one of the worst places to be after dark, especially if you are a white female and alone. (if you are a child, amp up the risk a bit as the illegals like them young)

    this area is completely unsafe for all ages, and Hilda and Frank are responsible. Give them a call and tell them “thank you” for giving our families a horrible tract of land to avoid on a daily basis.

  162. manassascityresident said on 27 Aug 2008 at 7:59 pm:
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    Couldn’t agree more with you, Elvis and Love the USA. Marumsco Hills sure isn’t what is was when I was growing up there….

  163. Love The USA said on 28 Aug 2008 at 12:14 am:
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    lafayette i think most people thought you wern’t involved any more because you bash coery, stirrup, greg and hsm quit abit.

  164. Anonymous said on 28 Aug 2008 at 1:10 am:
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    I’ve NEVER said anything bad about Stirrup. He represent my district. I’m not like some that love to trash those that don’t agree with them.
    I have expressed my heart felt feelings on the other three. You do believe in freedom of speech don’t you? As for bashing I don’t think that’s the word to use. Of course, that’s your opinion, and you are entitled to as I’m entitled to mine. I just don’t like the approach to some things.

  165. Laf said on 28 Aug 2008 at 1:11 am:
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    That was me.

  166. anonymous said on 28 Aug 2008 at 11:15 am:
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    I’m not sure why you’re bringing up “freedom of speech”, maybe it’s due to the deleted posts issue. If so:

    You do not have freedom of speech on a blog and the owner is well within their rights to delete any post they see fit.

  167. DEEP said on 28 Aug 2008 at 9:45 pm:
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    Looks like Love The USA hit a nerve.

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