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Governor Kaine Flunks Geography

By Greg L | 24 August 2008 | National Politics, Virginia Politics | 35 Comments

“Well first, Joe [Biden] comes from a state, Delaware, that borders Virginia on the eastern shore part of Virginia. Virginia and Delaware are not only bordering but also very very similar, and uh, I think there’s a lot in common and Joe understands that…”

Obama (the guy who thinks there are fifty-seven states) should have selected someone with an equally strong grasp of geography as he, and Kaine would have been just the perfect pick, as this clip demonstrates.  For Virginia residents though, the embarassment of telling a national television audience that you don’t understand the characteristics of the state of which you are the chief executive must be enormous. And for good reason, as this is just pathetic.

What a knucklehead.  I suppose Kaine is going to start talking about a huge cut in the sales tax in Virginia now, since we’re suddenly so similar to Delaware?

H/T: Riley

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  1. Arlington Minority said on 24 Aug 2008 at 10:13 pm:
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    Our poor deluded Governor probably also thinks Virginia is a blue state.

  2. Anonymous said on 24 Aug 2008 at 11:04 pm:
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    The next thing is SLOTS for transportation HUH?

  3. James Young said on 24 Aug 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    Kaine is pathetic. But perhaps Dems are now interested in showing what a wise decision Obama made (not bad, considering what he had to work with) by demonstrating the idiocy of others he was considering.

    Perhaps it’s an effort to draw attention away from the fact that, on the ticket, Biden is — from the experience standpoint — much more qualified than the top of the ticket.

  4. Junes_Reston said on 25 Aug 2008 at 6:22 am:
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  5. Dick said on 25 Aug 2008 at 8:36 am:
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    Kaine and Obama are a great match. A couple months ago Obama did not know Illinois shared a border with Kentucky.

  6. Flavius Maximus said on 25 Aug 2008 at 9:24 am:
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    What a major tool.

  7. BattleCat said on 25 Aug 2008 at 10:26 am:
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    Nobody ever said being a Democrat required an education.

  8. Big Dog said on 25 Aug 2008 at 11:19 am:
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    Perhaps we need to throw a rotten tomato(e) at
    Gov. Kaine? Remember Bush I VP Dan Quayle?
    Both might be bested on “Smarter Than A 5th Grader”.

    At least Kaine didn’t do something really dumb like
    like claiming to understand the economic challenges
    of the average American family - and then not
    remember how many houses he owns.

  9. Groveton said on 25 Aug 2008 at 12:33 pm:
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    You guys should have been wishing for Tim Kaine to be the VP nominee. He would have gotten his head handed to him during the election. Biden won’t. McCain needs to come back with a good pick. My money is on Bobby Jindal. I know Gov. Jindal says he doesn’t want to be VP but he’s a pretty cagy guy. Maybe events will overtake his resistance to being a candidate. The big problem is that he is so much smarter than the other 3 (Obama, Biden, McCain) it might make people wonder why he’s on the undercard.

  10. DPortM said on 25 Aug 2008 at 12:35 pm:
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    Big Dog -

    The question asked Senator McCain was “how many houses do you and YOUR WIFE own?”

    Maybe you don’t know that Mrs. McCain is a very rich woman. McCain signed a prenuptial agreement with his wife so he doesn’t have any rights to what she owns. I believe that when her father/mother died, she received additional inheritance, which most likely included additional properties.

    So, Mrs. McCain owns property that Senator McCain doesn’t own.

    His response to the question was reasonable - he obviously knows what he owns - but doesn’t know what his wife owns - so he had to ask his advisors for that information.

  11. John Light said on 25 Aug 2008 at 1:37 pm:
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    THIS is what you get for NOT electing a Virginia native!!!

    Good response, DPortM!!! Come on, if the number of houes is ALL they can get McCain on, he is doing pretty darn well!!!

  12. info said on 25 Aug 2008 at 2:12 pm:
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    Virginia State Crime Commission
    The table below represents the top twelve offenses for which proxy illegal immigrants were
    being held in jails at some point during FY2007. After examining the ranking of
    offenses proxy illegal immigrants are held for, it appears that the majority involve alcohol related
    offenses and possession of fake identification documents.
    Top 12 Offenses by Proxy Illegal Immigrants in Jail During FY2007

    Rank Type of Offense Number of Offenses (N=27,148) % of Total Offenses
    1) Held on both state and federal felony charges 4,078 15.0%
    2) DUI- Misdemeanor
    3,209 11.8%
    3) Driver’s license violation- Misdemeanor 3,086 11.3%
    4) Drunk in Public 1,749 6.4%
    5) Held on federal felony 1,532 5.6%
    6) Local ordinance-related offenses 1,526 5.6%
    7) Larceny- Felony 798 2.9%
    8) Held on federal misdemeanor 777 2.9%
    9) Fraud- Misdemeanor 623 2.3%
    10) Fraud- Felony 600 2.2%
    11) Reckless Driving 565 2.0%
    12) Traffic- Misdemeanor 507 1.9%

  13. info said on 25 Aug 2008 at 2:29 pm:
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    Virginia State Crime Commission
    Top 10 Court Jurisdictions for Proxy Illegal Immigrants in Jail During FY2007
    Jurisdiction #of Individuals % of Individuals #of Offenses
    1 INS (ICE) 4,875 35.5% 5,690
    2 Prince William 1,872 13.6% 3,895
    3 Chesterfield 893 6.5% 2,993
    4 Arlington 765 5.6% 1,635
    5 Loudoun 672 4.9% 1,686
    6 U.S. Marshall 563 4.1% 714
    7 Alexandria 488 3.6% 1,297
    8 Manassas 457 3.3% 861
    9 Out of State/Federal 312 2.3% 355
    10 Henrico 229 1.7% 463
    * 971 individuals appeared in more than one court for an offense resulting in jail in FY2007.

  14. mjh said on 25 Aug 2008 at 3:03 pm:
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    To amplify your response…another aspect of Mccain’s response that is often overlooked is that Mccain voluntarily has placed the management of many of his assets out of his direct control and in a blind trust to avoid the perception of impropriety. I believe this was done after the Keating 5 scandal.

    But, of course, Nobama, a product of the corrupt Chicago machine is not going to open the door to attacks based on allegations corruption.

  15. Big Dog said on 25 Aug 2008 at 3:13 pm:
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    McAmnesty is out of touch with reality. How many typical
    Americans don’t know how many houses they own?
    When he said he didn’t know much about economics,
    I thought he was talking about at the national level
    - not personally. It appears his private economic
    plan was to dump his injured wife who faithfully
    waited for him until he was released from being
    a prisoner of war and then marry a pretty beer bottling
    heiress. Of course he has good old pal Phil
    “Americans are whiners” Graham to advise him on how
    to turn our economy around.

  16. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 25 Aug 2008 at 3:23 pm:
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    What is the definition of a house is? (Sound familiar from Clinton?)

    Do you count time shares, condos, residences you spend the most time at or vacation houses? I can understand how the question could be loaded and obviously information that is not important to the Senator to commit to memory. Really, how important is it to really know how many homes one owns? Which ones are investment property? As DPortM said, she can own homes he may not be aware of. Who is to say it is really any of the press’ business how many he owns?? How does that affect the way he will run the country? Ohh, you have 7 houses, so you are NOT qualified to run the country, however, if you had only owned 6 then everything would be ok. SHEESH!!!!

  17. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 25 Aug 2008 at 3:24 pm:
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    BTW a quick note, I saw PWC at the Coverstone 7-11 running off the day laborers. There were 2 cars and 2 officers. The day laborers seemed to congregate on the other side of the street, so I have to wonder if they went right back over after they left.

  18. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 25 Aug 2008 at 3:58 pm:
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    Big Dog,

    He is not out of touch with reality. As I said, in my post, he probably doesn’t have that information committed to memory. He has too many other issues to deal with besides knowing how many homes he owned. I would be a bit disappointed if he did know, since that means he is more interested in himself vs the regular people out here trying to make a living. I am interested in hearing how he is going to fix what is broken and make things better for me, than I am about knowing how many houses he owns. He is rich, we get it. SHEESH!!

    I would love to have Donald Trump asked the same question. My guess is he has people that deal with his real estate deals on the side rather than involve him with every detail. I am willing to bet he says, OK you have the reins on this one, don’t let it go for any less than xx dollars. If they will not negotiate to that amount, call me and I will talk to them. I can not imagine Donald making every real estate deal today. We all know he doesn’t oversee all of his projects, hence the last few seasons of the Apprentice.

    Where is the information about Barack and his multi-million dollar house in Chicago and how it was obtained?? I am from IL originally and I know quite a bit about the “State of Chicago” as the rest of the State of IL calls it.

    I also came across an interesting bit of information in regards to Barack and his charitable gifts. Seems the Obama’s are not as charitable as the McCaine’s are. McCaine gave 27.3% of his income to charity last year, where Obama gave just 2.7%. Who really knows the needs of those less fortunate?

    Let me ask this question, would you want a 16 year old driving your family across country or would you want a 40 year old doing it? Elect Barack and the 16 year old is driving, elect McCaine and the 40 year old is. I feel safer with someone that has experience at the wheel. Let Obama go back to the Senate, get some experience and then come back and try again. He is not experienced enough to call the shots or drive this country a great distance. Because of this lack of experience, it is easy to say it might be easier to persuaded him to do things that a President with greater life experiences might not allow to be done. I am sure we all know that decisions we make early in life directly affect us later in life.

  19. anon143 said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:02 pm:
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    Medic -
    Outstanding post!

  20. Big Dog said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:26 pm:
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    Many wealthy individuals have been great Presidents
    - Washington, TR, FDR for example, and that
    certainly doesn’t disqualify one for office (not
    a few U.S. Senators are millionaires), but the
    question is - do they know and care about the
    rest of us? If you are rich and powerful, it
    is easy to fall into believing that your pals
    and you are in place because of some “divine right”.
    The present short-timer in the White House is
    a classic example of a kid born on third base
    who thought he hit a triple. Is John McCain
    the Maverick of 2000 on the Straight Talk Express
    willing to “call them as he sees them” even
    when he got battered by the GOP smear machine
    or has he sold his political soul to the devil/Rove
    in a Faustian bargain?

  21. me-n-u said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:31 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64, The numbers of day laborer’s goes way down once the police show up. When they move across the street, they usually stay there.

  22. Big Dog said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:31 pm:
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    Oh, and on election day you can have all the people
    who don’t know how many houses they own — and
    I’ll be glad to welcome the others.

  23. Ron said on 25 Aug 2008 at 7:01 pm:
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    The leftists are trying to have it both ways with McCain’s houses. Let’s just suppose that McCain answered the question correctly. The next thing you would hear is the same set of leftists still crying about how many houses McCain owns and trying to say he is out of touch. Such bullsh*t.

    About the “caring:” If a candidate really says that he cares and “feels your pain,” do you believe him? I think I might prefer the one who doesn’t make false pretenses.

  24. Mr. Anon said on 25 Aug 2008 at 9:19 pm:
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    Big Dog said on 25 Aug 2008 at 4:26 pm:
    “The present short-timer in the White House is
    a classic example of a kid born on third base
    who thought he hit a triple.”

    At least he didn’t strike out looking, and settle for being a s#$t stirrer on a blogsite.

  25. Anonymous said on 26 Aug 2008 at 1:53 am:
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    Evidently bad geography is epidemic in Virginia. I remember recently one guy thought Bristol, VA was in Prince William County.

  26. Big Dog said on 26 Aug 2008 at 8:38 am:
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    Mr. Anon, you are right - apparently I’ve stirred up
    some s#$t on this blog.

  27. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Aug 2008 at 9:06 am:
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    TYVM anon143. Sometimes I make a good one :)

    I still want the 40 y/o driving the country. He may have had 3-4 “fast driving awards”, but he knows how to handle the car and keep it between the ditches. The 16 y/o has had 3-4 “fast driving awards”, but he hasn’t been driving as long as the 40 y/o yet.

    We can not afford the programs that Barack is promising. It seems to me he is wanting to help out the folks on the public dole even more. where is the incentive for them to look for work? Why should I pay for insurance for everyone when I can barely afford it for myself. When I didn’t have insurance, I paid for everything out of pocket. It is part of life. Go to school and get a better job. Why do I, as a taxpaying citizen, have to pay for people to sit on their ass watching the mailbox on the first of the month for their check?

    We must elect a President that is strong so he can stand up for America when someone tries to step on our toes. If Clinton had been stronger when the first WTC bombing had occurred, we might not have had the attack on the USS Cole or the Marine barracks. The president has to give off the impression that he will go to war if needed. It doesn’t mean he has to go at the drop of a hat, but we have to have someone that can talk the talk and walk the walk IF NEEDED. Barack doesn’t have that appearance and I am afraid he will cause us great harm here at home.

  28. Just the Facts said on 26 Aug 2008 at 10:31 am:
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    Big Dog - without looking at your statements, name the stocks you own and/or are held in your mutual funds and/or in any retirement accounts you have, and how many shares of each are in those holdings.

    That question is no less bogus than asking McCain how many houses he owns. The intent was to portray him as some out-of-touch potentate who lives in countless houses as did Barack (sorry) Sadam Hussein.

    Only wealthy people can run for President, whether we like it or not. Obama had income of $4 million last year - hardly a man of the people. John and Cindy McCain live in a property in DC, one in Arizona (a home in DC and one in their state or district is typical of senators and representatives), and I beleive they have some sort of vacation property in California. All of the other properties are investment properties belonging mainly to Cindy. John McCain can no more answer that question off the top of his head than you can answer the one I asked.

    If a meaningless “gotcha” question like that is the best Obama’s people can come up with, the White House will remain safely in Republican hands.

  29. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Aug 2008 at 11:47 am:
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    Very similar to the statement I made about asking Donald Trump how many properties he held. What does it matter? He is rich, we get it! Some have to work hard for the dream, some are born into it or marry it. The reason it was asked was to help shore up the poor vote by stating he has so many homes he doesn’t even know how many he has. A portrayal of such can backfire on you. I wouldn’t expect him to know how many homes he owns unless it is indeed 2, one in DC and one in his district or state he represents. Many people have investment property so they can not keep up with it all since it may be sold when the opportunity presents itself. I like the question asked about what stocks are owned, because that is a very fluid situation at best as mutual funds are moved all over to get the best bang for the buck. Some stocks may be dropped and others added. The main point is we do not care what is in our funds as long as it is making us money for retirement. I feel the same is true with Mr McCain, he doesn’t care how many homes there are, if they are making solid ROI’s.

    Shame on Obama for trying to keep the class division going. This is part of the problem we face, the nation is really not as far apart as the democrats would like to portray. Sure there are some rich folks, just like there are very poor folks. This has been the way for a long time. I am very comfortable in my belief that the disparities between the two have decreased over time. Those living at poverty levels have 2-3 color tv’s in their home as well as most modern conveniences.

    Just because someone was able to make more money or get in on the bottom floor of something, doesn’t mean that it can not happen to you as well. If the people that complain about the rich were to get off of their lazy a$$es and work as hard as some of those rich people did and do, they to could be part of that “class”. As long as they continue to vote democrat and sit by the mailbox for their monthly check, they will not be anything more than what they are.

  30. Big Dog said on 26 Aug 2008 at 2:49 pm:
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    Statisical studies by the Wall Street Journal found that
    that the top .01%, or 14,000 families, hold 22.2% of
    the nation’s wealth - the bottom 90%, or 133 million
    families, just 4%. And last year, American CEO’s
    earned 262 times the average wage of workers -
    up tenfold from 1980.

    If there has been “class warfare”, it has been conducted
    by the super rich on America’s middle class.

    There is certainly nothing wrong with wealth, but
    there must be a more balanced stance in the
    nation’s tax policies. I agree with Obama and the
    original McCain view that the Bush tax cuts
    tilted heavily in favor of the super rich. They
    should be reduced and replaced by larger cuts
    for middle class America. I strongly disagree
    with the current McCain/Bush idea of major tax breaks for
    the super rich and almost nothing for the rest of us.

  31. Cavalier One said on 26 Aug 2008 at 3:13 pm:
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    “Loose lips sink ships”!

    Darn Kaine, he leaked “Operation Crabcake”!!

    Mass near Chinoteague (use ponies for a quick
    mobile strike) and move north the day after Labor
    Day with the Bay Brige jammed with traffic westbound.
    Seize Pocomoke City in the first hour, Snow Hill
    and then grab Ocean City (free taffy for everyone!)
    and on to Delaware where we will stop and sing
    a rousing “Maryland, Our Maryland” and then plant
    the Virginia flag. Purpose: to be sure we control
    the drilling rights off — New Virginia. Big bucks!

    And don’t think that whimp Martin “Slots” O’Malley will
    be any problem. Geesh.

    Now Kaine — clam up.

  32. TDB said on 26 Aug 2008 at 5:14 pm:
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    Truth be told…you NEVER own your home. Either the bank owns it OR once you’ve fulfilled your obligation to the bank and stop paying your taxes…guess who owns the home.

  33. Mr. Anon said on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:50 pm:
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    Big Dog said on 26 Aug 2008 at 2:49 pm:
    Statisical studies by the Wall Street Journal found that
    that the top .01%, or 14,000 families, hold 22.2% of
    the nation’s wealth - the bottom 90%, or 133 million
    families, just 4%. And last year, American CEO’s
    earned 262 times the average wage of workers -
    up tenfold from 1980.

    THis doesn’t tell the whole story. Look at the total taxes the wealthy paid versus the lower class. Truth be told, income taxes are unfairly leveled against the rich. CEOs are easy targets, but they bear the responsibility to make change and produce results. They don’t punch a clock and leave work at the shop every night.

  34. Mightyputty said on 28 Aug 2008 at 4:07 pm:
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    Maybe the Horsey Girls can lead the charge for Operation Crabcake. This could be the modern version of Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders. Just let the girls hear that Delaware is full of deadbeat dads that are not paying their child support, and there will be heck to pay.

  35. gstone said on 28 Aug 2008 at 5:19 pm:
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    Gov. Kaine

    Let me help you out:

    The DelMarVa peninsula = Delaware then Maryland then Virginia.

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