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Equality, From A Liberal Perspective

By Greg L | 22 September 2008 | Prince William County | 29 Comments

When Supervisor John Stirrup raised questions with County Executive Craig Gerhart about the unprecedented level of access and support provided to the “9500 Liberty” crew, Gerhart dismissed this behavior as the normal way the county deals with the press.  It’s all routine, Gerhart asserts, and anyone noting the vastly different preferential treatment some political activists get from county staff is just, somehow, not people “getting it.”

No wonder they don’t get it, because this makes no sense at all.

Gerhart wrote:

It is completely appropriate and responsible for County Staff to work with members of the media to review factual information that has been provided to them if asked.  (emphasis added)

In another answer, Gerhart responds:

Members of the Communucations Staff are routinely asked by the media what happened at a Board of County Supervisors meeting with regard to specific issues.  We identify salient discussion points for the media somewhat routinely.  It is a job of all members of the Communications Staff to respond to questions from both the media and the community. (emphasis added)

So let’s look at one of those “media requests”, made to the county employee that manages all the videos of the meetings of the Board of County Supervisors, shall we?  We already saw one of these last week, but this one is pretty special:

Wow, is this really the media?

Perhaps I should qualify under this rather broad definition.  I recently asked county staff to explain Chief Deane’s comments about the burden of fulfilling FOIA requests, and the unattributed claim that Help Save Manassas was somehow responsible for a majority of these.   After a week of not hearing anything back from the Prince William County Police Department, what do I get? My request for clarification of public comments to the same county Communications Staff that Gerhart says responds to the media and the public has transformed itself into a Freedom Of Information Act request, complete with the full monty of legal obfuscation that the county staff can bring to bear.  Non-answers, in other words, that it takes every bit of time the law permits the county to delay under the Freedom of Information laws.

I’m getting the distinct impression here that Gerhart’s justifications for the unlawful behavior of county employees is utter hogwash. Maybe you do as well.

Prince William County Code

Sec. 19-18. Political activities.

(g) No officer or employee of the county shall use, or permit to be used, any thing, including vehicles, owned by the county, on behalf of or for the benefit of, any political organization or candidate for public office.

(Ord. No. 78-31-20, § 13.4-22, 9-5-79)

Sec. 19-19. Violations of section 19-17 or 19-18.
(a) Any employee in the competitive service who willfully or knowingly violates, or acts in concert with others to violate, any provision of section 19-17 or 19-18, or any personnel regulation relating thereto, shall have given prima facie cause for immediate dismissal from the county service. Any employee terminated under the provisions of this section may file a grievance where otherwise permitted to do so.
(b) Any person who willfully or knowingly violates, or acts in concert with others to violate, any provision of section 19-17 or 19-18, or any personnel regulation relating thereto, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
(c) Any officer, employee or other person who is convicted or discharged from the competitive service under the provisions of this section shall, during a period of five years thereafter, be ineligible for appointment to, or employment in, any position in the county service.
(Ord. No. 78-31-20, § 13.4-24, 9-5-79)

(H/T to reader TedKennedysSwimInstructor for the citation)



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29 Comments

  1. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:09 pm:
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    Gerhart is just an ass. He must employ illegals to do his yard work, otherwise I really do not understand why he is so supportive of the very people who make the County a cesspool. His IQ is roughly equal to the number of hairs he has left on his head.

  2. concrete4 said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:14 pm:
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    Throw the BUM out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Emma said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:15 pm:
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    I hope that something comes of these revelations, and that Gerhart and his toadies have something to worry about. Unbelievable corruption.

  4. americangal4ever said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:25 pm:
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    Reminder:

    Less Than a Week Left to Save E-Verify;
    Your Calls Needed Immediately!
    September 22, 2008

    Last week Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) attempted to bring E-Verify to the Senate floor for a vote, but, once again, Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) has blocked E-Verify and won’t let it pass unless he is allowed to add hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to our struggling economy. E-Verify, an inexpensive, effective, and indispensable work-site enforcement tool that instantly and electronically verifies the legal work documentation of new employees, has proven its worth as an essential tool in turning off the job magnet that encourages so many to enter the country illegally. If the program is not reauthorized, advances that we have made in the state legislatures such as Arizona and Mississippi with E-Verify as a cornerstone will be destroyed. Additionally, a new rule requiring federal government contractors to use E-Verify will be rendered worthless. If Senator Menendez is successful in destroying E-Verify, the United States will have lost one of its most effective tools in thwarting illegal immigration.

    In an outrageous act toward American workers, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has turned a blind eye to Senator Menendez’s actions and seems content to let E-Verify die. We have to let Senator Reid know immediately that the American people will not tolerate the Senate permitting E-Verify to die, especially after the House overwhelmingly passed a five year reauthorization of E-Verify with only two members voting against it. We are calling upon you to help us make sure that this doesn’t happen.

    Urgent Action Items:

    Please, call your Senators and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s office (202-224-3542) today and every day until they bring E-Verify to the Senate Floor.

    Tell your Senators to insist that their leadership not allow Senator Menendez to kill E-Verify and to bring H.R. 6633 to the Senate floor.

    Call Senator Reid’s office and tell him you want H.R. 6633 brought to the Senate Floor immediately with no strings attached.

    Contact Your Representative

  5. Citizen12 said on 23 Sep 2008 at 12:08 am:
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    americangal4ever said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:25 pm:

    In an outrageous act toward American workers, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has turned a blind eye to Senator Menendez’s actions and seems content to let E-Verify die.

    **********************************************************

    This may sheed some light on why things go they way they do …….

    …… Mexican President Vicente Fox met with President Bush on September 4, 2001 and proposed the legalizing of anywhere from three to seven million Mexican illegal immigrants in the United States. Based on 2001 estimates of Mexican illegal immigrants living in the United States, the seven million represented all of them. Today the number of illegal Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. is estimated at eleven million. The goal of the North American Union is to legalize all of them. This North American Union goal is validated by the inability of the U.S. Senate to develop any meaningful immigration reform legislation that fulfills the American public’s demand that all illegal immigrants be deported, and prevented from re-entry into the United States by firmly securing the United States - Mexico border. It should be clear to American voters that the U.S. Senate answers to the CFR, and not the people.

    above is found at - http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id275.html

  6. Good Time Charlie said on 23 Sep 2008 at 5:49 am:
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    Charlie Deane dragging his feet responding to a FOIA request. No surprise here. As long as your website & threads include statements that find disapproval of his performance, he will make things difficult for you at every opportunity. That’s just who he is, and what he’s about. He’s the C.O.P. and you’re not. Welcome to Prince William County (People Who Care).

  7. NoVA Scout said on 23 Sep 2008 at 6:00 am:
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    It’s not clear from the post what the e-mail is, what it seeks and how it relates to the County government. Unless the reader knows that, one can’t evaluate why it reflects negatively on County Government’s grant of access to media. Maybe the folks on the e-mail are well-known in certain circles, but to those of us from across the Occoquan, it doesn’t scream “unlawful behavior.” It looks more like the credits to a political music video or something.

  8. me said on 23 Sep 2008 at 6:31 am:
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    I was watching the news this morning and saw that Senator Biden is coming to Woodbridge today…..wonder if anything else besides the “economy” will be brought up at this meeting…

    Here are some links I found:

    http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-09-23-0056.html

    http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=16149

  9. anonymous said on 23 Sep 2008 at 12:53 pm:
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    “Maybe the folks on the e-mail are well-known in certain circles”

    If your use for this forum weren’t limited to drive-by commentary, you’d know who they are. It’s been covered here extensively.

  10. A PWC Resident said on 23 Sep 2008 at 2:04 pm:
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    Is anyone bothered, especially in view of the previous discussion on this at http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/09/16/stalingrad-on-the-occoquan/#more-2644, that the discussion was about footage from the county security camera?

    I understand a governmental interest in security, but does it not raise privacy issues when the media requests security tapes? One may note that when Byler was turned down, it was because the tapes no longer existed and not one employee said that security tapes can only be released for a governmental or investigative process by an authorized governmental entity and not the “media”. Tends to make me worry a bit.

    Note to board admins–I posted this in another thread but think it is more timely here. if you want to delete the duplicate in the other thread about whether one thinks the county staff works for them, by all means do so to save room.

  11. me-n-u said on 23 Sep 2008 at 3:14 pm:
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    Good Time Charlie, Greg was asking a question that TURNED into a FOIA request. They are making more work for themselves and the county attorneys office.

  12. Good Time Charlie said on 23 Sep 2008 at 4:03 pm:
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    me-n-u…..I would think Ross Horton would have put a stop to this kind of behavior from department heads.

  13. Emma said on 23 Sep 2008 at 4:55 pm:
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    PWC Resident, that is what I was most concerned about, that someone who isn’t even tangentially “media” could potentially have access to security camera footage to further some political agenda. I wonder what else Greg has in store here.

  14. freedom said on 23 Sep 2008 at 6:29 pm:
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    Eric Byler = media as I = Governor….pshaaaaaaaaw…

  15. Benton said on 23 Sep 2008 at 6:39 pm:
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    “me said on 23 Sep 2008 at 6:31 am:
    I was watching the news this morning and saw that Senator Biden is coming to Woodbridge today…..wonder if anything else besides the “economy” will be brought up at this meeting…”

    Huh??!!! Anyone say myopic…..

  16. Indigenous_Elvis said on 23 Sep 2008 at 7:32 pm:
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    let me get this straight…they give a stupid, amateur film-maker who makes crappy films free stuff without the benefit of a FOIA request but they make everyone else pay for it and then string them along? that doesnt sound fair does it? guess that just sucks but then so does bylers footage.

    I’ll be the first to say I think byler is a tool, he’s up there with alanna and elena for the “scumbag of the year” award. Byler and his “partner” are a bunch of lying sacks who scammed everyone at the beginning saying they were going to be “objective”, well that’s not the case is it? They film crappy footage anyway. I guess these days these idiots call themselves “film-makers” when they get ahold of enough money to purchase a camcorder

    Maccaca!!

  17. Benton said on 23 Sep 2008 at 7:38 pm:
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    Gee such hysteria….. You are over-fixated on those women, Ind Elvis, you and Emma. :)

    Anyway, looks like most of these county folks will be soon out of a job anyway.

  18. concrete4 said on 23 Sep 2008 at 7:53 pm:
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    I’m watching the twisted sisterhood on the web - tonight’s BOCS meeting.
    Maureen did an awesome job!

  19. concrete4 said on 23 Sep 2008 at 7:54 pm:
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    Maureen, of course, is NOT part of the twisted sisterhood! She happens to have a brain!

  20. Emma said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:06 pm:
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    Benton, what women? We were discussing Byler potentially having access to security-camera footage, not just the publicly available video. I hope you are right about those county employees actually losing their jobs. I imagine Byler will think it was worthwhile.

  21. Greg L said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:23 pm:
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    And just who is going to investigate this and prosecute county employees violating the law? Paul Ebert? “Mr. See No Corruption, ever”, himself?

    Ebert failed to prosecute each and every case of voter fraud, political corruption and violation of election law that has been referred to him in the past five years. He hasn’t taken a single one of these cases, one of which had literally more than one hundred witnesses who observed a candidate for office offer a ten thousand dollar bribe if he was elected. He didn’t even investigate this.

    Massive official corruption in Manassas Park? Ebert looks the other way. Steve Chapman fraudulently registers to vote in Manassas? Nolle prossed. Several candidates fail to file campaign finance reports, or provide false information on them? None investigated.

    There is no law in Prince William County when it comes to corruption. We’re utterly the Wild West of the DC Metropolitan Area. The only way to get these crimes investigated is to get the Federal Bureau of Investigation involved, or to apply political pressure when possible. At least in this case there are elected officials who can dispense some degree of justice, but in order to get that we better start making some noise.

  22. TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:29 pm:
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    Did anyone noticed the former “anti-illegal” activist now reformed compassionate pro-illegal leftist Elwina Slopssberg-Dunkel trucked in to speak at this evenings BOCS citizens’ time? Some worm named Pearson (sp) from Reading, Pennsylvania?

    Typical leftist cannard when you know you have a losing argument and nothing left to stand on - truck in a faux “reformed right-winger” who all of a sudden grasps the leftist light, drives 3.5 hours from Pennsylvania in his breast milk powered Prius and attempts to tell the folks of Prince William County that the rest of the world construes all of us as racist due to the Rule of Law Resolution.

    What a frigging joke.

    I seriously believe that Elwina’s failed shenanigans at gaining more notoriety for herself and her fellow witches is causing perpetual menstrual cramping for all of them that only a medicinal potion from south of the border could cure.

  23. concrete4 said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:39 pm:
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    Ted -
    I did watch the meeting and saw Robb Pearson. Yeah, what a joke.
    But Byler is more of a joke. Did you hear what he asked each of the supervisors to do? To come forward and each give their “feelings” on illegal immigration because PWC has a reputation of being so “racist”…..
    Here’s a newsflash for you Byler - they don’t have to do squat for you - you loser!
    Take your edit happy butt out of PWC and take the twisted sisterhood with you! PWC is just fine and has the reputation of having some real balls! Go back to PA with Robb if you hate it here so much!

  24. NoVA Scout said on 23 Sep 2008 at 9:32 pm:
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    anonymous 1253: I am unfortunately cursed with a rich, full and eventful life that interferes with my ability to hang here on a regular basis. My visits are necessarily fleeting. I keep my contractual commitments to Greg to keep the comment flow up and that’s all about all I can handle.

    I still don’t have any idea why the e-mail in the post is indicative of illegal activity by county employees. I suspect I’m not the only one.

  25. Emma said on 23 Sep 2008 at 10:06 pm:
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    I’ve never been clear as to whether Eric Byler is a resident of PWC or not. I also cannot belleve that the BOCS takes the time to listen to this drivel, especially from a complete outsider like Robb Pearson. You know that side is full of it when they have to import their supporters from other states. Where were the PWC multitudes tonight who oppose the Resolution?

    I’m sick to death of all of this “ruined reputation” nonsense.

  26. Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 7:08 am:
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    Nova,

    you are not the only one. No one here has even seen the video that they talk about. This guy Eric may work for the Obama Campaign, but he is also probably a free lancer (like many political operatives).

    So, until I see the video, I cannot make a stand based on inuendo.

  27. Internet saavy said on 24 Sep 2008 at 9:17 am:
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    The URL for the video is in the email above.

  28. Anonymous said on 24 Sep 2008 at 10:12 am:
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    On EricB’s blog, he indicates he’s been busy what with the kkk coming to virginia and all - did i miss something in the news? He, his concubine and the Twisted Sisterhood look for racists under every rock. What a waste of skin. http://www.alivenotdead.com/ericbyler/blog.html?selection_all_page_16#return-xspace-entry29282

  29. indigenous_Elvis said on 24 Sep 2008 at 7:08 pm:
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    Eric is a tool, plain and simple. his film-making skills are questionable at best. If he’s been around this long and has not made a reputable film i.e. one I’ve seen in the theaters then he’s really on his way to no-where. hollywood is filled with people like this, not saying that having hopes and dreams is a bad thing but when you dont got it, you dont got it and should move on to something else.

    filming illegal hispanics is not the way to hollywood (or any type of real income)

    as for the witches, they need to stop sucking off the teats of the economy and get a real job i.e. stop having their husbands support them and learn what it’s really like to support the economy

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