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Manassas City Gives In To Extortion

By Greg L | 22 September 2008 | Manassas City | 60 Comments

The Manassas City Council decided to settle with the ERC tonight and provide them and the plaintiffs they represented in a frivolous lawsuit with a settlement of about seven hundred thousand dollars.  ERC’s take on this extortion-by-attorney, supplemented by contractual bonuses from the plaintiffs, will no doubt be used to finance another shakedown of another locality.  The next group of taxpayers that get targeted by these miscreants will have Manassas City to partially thank for their turn as the next victims of our litigous society.  Had someone else stood up to this abuse before, Manassas City might not have been in this position, but because Manassas City caved in, this cycle of abuse by lawsuit will continue.

The Manassas City Council has made pretty much no effort at all to explain to the taxpayers why it’s supposedly wiser to pay off these vultures with public funds rather than fight it out in the aftermath of the Department of Justice finally abandoning most of their causes of acton in this case.  We don’t know whether insurance is supposed to cover this (to later be recouped through higher liability premiums), or whether the tight budget gets another hit with an immediate additional expense.  We don’t know how much the city has paid in defending this lawsuit over the past two years, nor do we have any indication of what the precise legal claims are that the ERC is pursuing.  Taxpayers got about a day’s notice that the council would consider this, and the proposed settlement amount was never made public prior to the council meeting.  Excuse this commentator for being a little suspicious here, because everything about this proposed settlement has been absolutely and utterly opaque.

When government at any level operates without any effective opportunity for citizens to even understand what decision is being contemplated, much less exercise any oversight of their elected officials, it is an invitation for the worst of abuses and poor decision-making.  Ask yourself how many other proposed city expenditures running north of a half-million dollars get quietly placed on an agenda without any details and then acted on within days.  Can’t recall this happening, as I?  That should be more than enough to raise some significant suspicions.  This action is unprecedented in both the process used, as well as the result.

Councilman Marc Aveni was the only council member to vote against this.  Kudos to him for standing up for at least some semblence of responsible process here, and refusing to give into the extortion that facilitates the endless line of legal abuses that visited Manassas, and will undoubtably visit somewhere else very soon.  Too bad his colleagues couldn’t even ensure their consituents understood what was going on before ramming this decision through.

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  1. cityrez said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:04 pm:
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    God bless Aveni for his backbone, but he’s fighting a losing battle at this point and could use a few Corey Stewarts, John Stirrups to replace the tax and spend crowd on local council, no doubt about it.

    btw, who told the council back when that it was okay to put the Family Ordinance into effect in the first place?? didn’t they have a city attorney review the language for possible challenges???

    if so, please tell me that person is GONE…

    if not, please don’t tell me that person is still on retainer by the city and could be one in the same now CHARGING us to defend this mess??

    yes, it’s time for the city to get back to more pressing matters, like that $38,000 coffee table book for the Manassas Museum..

  2. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:11 pm:
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    What do you expect with pro criminal supporters on the Council. I pay my taxes for this? I think I will enact a sign in old Town and bash the City for being spineless. Thanks Council for wasting even more money on illegals.

  3. Love The USA said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:11 pm:
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  4. Love The USA said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:30 pm:
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    CitizenofManassas why don’t we all put billboards up in our yards with your saying on them. They can’t make any of us take them down, freedom of speech and all.

  5. Emma said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:43 pm:
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    Thank you, Marc Aveni. I wish we could elect more like you.

  6. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:44 pm:
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    We should do that.

  7. park ave mommy said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:45 pm:
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    As they say, there goes the neighborhood. When can I vote these guys out?

  8. Emma said on 22 Sep 2008 at 9:58 pm:
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    I like the billboard idea. Come to think of it, you can make any alteration to your home that you wish. Just paper it over with hate speech and you won’t have to worry about zoning breathing down your back for at least a year.

  9. Emma said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:04 pm:
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    The money won’t be enough. There will also be indoctrination.

    This from the MJM:

    “Other stipulations that the city must adhere to as part of the settlement are providing fair housing training to all its community development, public works and family services employees within six months, outreach and education efforts in regards to zoning issues in both English and Spanish and adhering to a residential inspection standard operating procedure.”


  10. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:06 pm:
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    How funny would it be if we did put up a billboard and the City responded faster to our sign then they did to the other sign? We then could sue them on the grounds they went after our sign sooner because the City is racist. Ha ha ha.

  11. concrete4 said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:09 pm:
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    Emma said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:04 pm:

    Are you kidding me? Employees have to go through training now? I’ve heard it all. In English AND SPANISH no less?
    What a flippin’ joke!
    I give it 2 months before the next law suit crops up!
    What a bunch of whimps!

  12. concrete4 said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:12 pm:
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    CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:06 pm:
    We then could sue them on the grounds they went after our sign sooner because the City is racist. Ha ha ha.

    Don’t laugh - MANY in this country are racist against whites!!!!!!
    And we already know that there are two sets of rules, remember? Those who pay taxes must obey the law. Those who are not citizens and do not pay taxes - to hell with the law. This is a sad, sad, sad, state of affairs.

  13. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:14 pm:
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    Take the money out of the esol budget. At least that way, the criminals will only be able to take us for 150,000 from the school budget.

    I think the seven Citizens who were harassed by the Police department a couple of years ago while not breaking the law should sue the City.

  14. alleycat said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:15 pm:
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    Are the people that sued even citizens of this country?

  15. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:17 pm:
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    It is just a sign of how damaging illegal aliens have been to the Nation. All one has to do is look at the Nations where the majority of these criminals come from and you will understand why they are cesspools, and why were are on the fast track to the same.

  16. concrete4 said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:20 pm:
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    Absolutely - I agree.

  17. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:21 pm:
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    If you want to let one of the folks who supports these criminals and voted to provide money to the very people who have damaged the City, visit his blog and post.. http://harrover.com/wordpress/

  18. anonymous said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:38 pm:
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    How much of my money did they give away? Where is the outrage at this - where can I get emails and phone numbers!

  19. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 10:50 pm:
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    Here is the City Council Page with phone numbers. http://www.manassascity.org/index.asp?NID=153

    Don’t let any of them try to tell you otherwise, but the only one on the Council that can be counted on is Marc. Steve defends illegals as part of his day job. Mark is too worried about the opinions of those living outside of the City. With the election over, Harry is back to his usual liberal ways. Andy was asked recently by the Dems to help out with the campaign, that should tell you all you need to know about him. Way teamed up with Mark in the last election, ‘nough said about him. Poor Randolph just trys to stay out of the way most of the time.

  20. anonymous said on 22 Sep 2008 at 11:04 pm:
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    what are the party affiliations - all R’s in name only?

  21. CitizenofManassas said on 22 Sep 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    Yes, except for Marc.

  22. anonymous said on 22 Sep 2008 at 11:10 pm:
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    ok, just looked at the city webpage, 2 Mark’s and 2 Steve’s it seems! Don’t want to blast the wrong person!

  23. Naughtius Maximus said on 23 Sep 2008 at 6:27 am:
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  24. paulin for city council please said on 23 Sep 2008 at 7:38 am:
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    The newspaper says the city will have to hire a housing advocate so others can sue us too!!! who pays for that? Not the insurance I am sure.

  25. centsless said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:14 am:
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    What has happened? Was I duped by pre-election, vote for me, lies? I had been proud of the stance the Council had made on some of the “hot topic” issues of that time but with ?Liberty? St. and now this….I am without words. I do have a boot I would like to put up someones ….. agenda. As a homeowner on S. Main St., just around the corner from Liberty St., a billboard may get planted in my yard.

  26. CitizenofManassas said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:20 am:
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    Yes, it is true insurance will pay for the “settlement” but it still chaps me that our Council folded like a cheap suit(no pun intended).

  27. Anonymous said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:40 am:
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    SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on the MCC. It won’t be long before the next suit is filed against the city. REAP WHAT YOU SOW!

  28. Vonnegut said on 23 Sep 2008 at 9:22 am:
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    Anonymous said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:40 am - REAP WHAT YOU SOW!

    I hope the irony of this statement in the context of this problem is obvious.

  29. Marc said on 23 Sep 2008 at 10:30 am:
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    You all talk a big game, but I dare any of you to put up a sign as you keep rumbling. You know just as well as I do that you’ll have such an influx of hate coming your way that you’ll cave. The difference being that illegal supporters will stay the course much more so than legal citizens. This country was founded on principles and standing up for them and following through with what you say you’re going to do. THAT’S what the illegal supporters are doing and that’s what most of legal citizens are NOT doing. Most of us just gripe and grumble, but there is no teeth. Grow some B*lls and put a sign up in your yard!

  30. cityrez said on 23 Sep 2008 at 10:35 am:
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    I wonder if RECALL is possible under VA law?? Now that would be something for the books!! Talk about *Manassas NEXT*!!!! why wait until the next election cycle to throw the bums out…starting with the last three who just got in.

    Think it was Parrish, Way and the new guy. Amazing how they could be so creative in that little three-way lock out last May in the elections and so utterly UNABLE and UNWILLING to do the right thing once they are in office….

  31. Marc said on 23 Sep 2008 at 10:36 am:
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    BTW, I’m one of the ones without the b*lls to do so.

  32. CitizenofManassas said on 23 Sep 2008 at 1:06 pm:
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    Virginia law does not allow for recalls.

  33. CitizenofManassas said on 23 Sep 2008 at 1:09 pm:
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    You do have some good points. However, I suppose the main problem is that the majority of people want to follow the law, and realize illegals have far more rights and friends then we do.

  34. TDB said on 23 Sep 2008 at 1:37 pm:
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    Elena S. Thompson’s new book: Fear and Self-Loathing in America.

  35. Dave Core said on 23 Sep 2008 at 2:20 pm:
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    Please contact Jon Way, Andy Harrover, Mark Wolfe, Steve Smith and Steve Randolph and let them know your opinions. Their email addresses are on the City website, e.g. jway@ci.manassas.va.us. It’s possible that their could be a second vote on this resolution. Often a resolution has to be voted on twice. I don’t know if this is true here.

  36. miss the soccer game next time said on 23 Sep 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    So who here from the city was at the republican convention back in january? This is what you get by staying home!

  37. cityrez said on 23 Sep 2008 at 4:51 pm:
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    CitizenofManassas said on 23 Sep 2008 at 1:06 pm:

    Virginia law does not allow for recalls

    too bad.

    plan B is tar and feathers…..

  38. Indigenous_Elvis said on 23 Sep 2008 at 7:34 pm:
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    In my ideal county the authorities would raid every house suspected of harboring illegal aliens and make them prove on the spot with valid documentation they were legal. It’s amazing how these scum hide behind the protections of the constitution of a country they hate so much, yet want so much from.

  39. Emma said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:01 pm:
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    CitizenofManassas said on 23 Sep 2008 at 1:09 pm:

    I suppose the main problem is that the majority of people want to follow the law, and realize illegals have far more rights and friends then we do.

    More than that, Citizen, is the fact that their defenders seem to have nothing but time on their hands to blog endlessly, attend numerous BOCS meetings and gather dirt on their opponents. The rest of us are balancing our commutes, jobs–you know, the jobs that pay the taxes that provide illegal-alien healthcare and legal fees to huckster liberals–and then spending what precious time is left in the day with our loved ones and tending to our homes. There is only so much time left for activism.

    If I were an at-home mom spending my whole day behind a keyboard, I’d at least want to be getting paid for it. Makes you think.

  40. CitizenofManassas said on 23 Sep 2008 at 8:25 pm:
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    Yup, as the old saying goes. Work hard liberals are depending on you to provide for them.

  41. Emma said on 23 Sep 2008 at 9:20 pm:
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    Thanks for depressing me. I think I’ll have that glass of wine now…

  42. Anonymous said on 24 Sep 2008 at 10:03 am:
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    Indigenous_Elvis, if I lived in your ideal country (I believe countries like China, North Korea, and Iran have policies like this), I would amuse myself by making prank anonymous calls to the authorities about neighbors I didn’t like, asserting that they had illegals in their homes. This would be win-win. I would be amused, and the innocent people who had police enter their homes and force them to prove they’re citizens wouldn’t mind, because after all, if you’re not doing anything illegal, you’ve got nothing to hide, right?

    Yaaaayy! Police state FTW!!!

  43. DPortM said on 24 Sep 2008 at 11:05 am:
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    Anonymous Liberal said on 24 Sep 2008 at 10:03 am:

    Anonymous, please take your ball and go home!

  44. Mark Wolfe said on 24 Sep 2008 at 11:58 am:
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    The folks that have posted before me have made many interesting points regarding the ERC settlement. Please allow me to explain the reasoning behind my vote.

    To me, this was ultimately a business decision to make. The choices were to settle now or to go into the deposition and ultimately trial phase of the case.

    By settling now, we secured the backing of our insurance company who is paying the entire settlement cost and the bulk of our attorney’s fees. The actual financial cost to the citizens is very small.

    By continuing the fight we ran the risk that our insurance carrier would cut and run on us. (They could actually agree to settle the case without approval from the City.) The cost in attorneys fees and staff time for the depositions and trial would be huge. At the end of the trial there would be the risk of a large damage award. And possibly most damaging is that if the other side prevailed in any one issue, the City would be liable for ALL of their attorney fees. That number alone would be in the millions. I could easily imagine a total cost to the City of over $5,000,000. And expense that would somehow have to be borne by the taxpayers.

    We might have won. But the odds (and ALL legal advice) suggested otherwise.

    I absolutely agree that there are times where it is vital to stand on principle (hence my vote on the BPL issue). I agree that a system where one part of the government provides funding to a special interest group to sue other parts of the government is flawed. But I could not ask the citizens of Manassas to run such a staggering financial risk to score debating points with the ERC, DOJ or HUD.

  45. CitizenofManassas said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:42 pm:
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    Everyone thought OJ was guilty too. The jury had the final say.

    We simply do not know how the case would have turned out. It is not scoring points, it is standing up for what is right and fair.

  46. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 2:45 pm:
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    Mark Wolfe, thanks for that info.

    I really believe this case is a sick example of Bush’s White House and his Justice Department encouraging illegal immigration. He/they did it right here in our own backyard and I think we should have raised hell about it.

  47. no spin zone said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:32 pm:
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    Andy is saying there is a hiring freeze on, so will the “housing advocate” still be hired? Is insurance paying for that new position? How about all those new forms in multiple languages? Or the training by the people who sued you to city employees? What about the fact that you are letting an outside group with questionable motives dictate city policy. So why do we need you Mr Wolfe??

  48. citizenofManassas said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:30 pm:
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    No spin brings up some good questions. Since the Council is so concerned with not spending too much money, I expect the overall budget to go down. We should withdraw from the George Mason elitist arts center, we need to stop funding Manassas Next, particularly in light of the City schools not being up to grade.

    However, come budget times, the Council will spend money like drunken sailors making the cave in even more of a mockery.

  49. concrete4 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 10:00 am:
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    no spin zone said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:32 pm:

    This is just the BEGINNING. And our brilliant elected officials thought they’d be saving the city money by paying off these crooks. Now we’re paying for everything you mentioned in your post. What a flippin’ joke!
    Shame on all of you, except for Councilman Marc Aveni, of course.

  50. Moving to Gainesville said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:22 pm:
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    The real shame is the very folks who broke the law in the first place by overcrowding got rewarded with money! Prepare for more overcrowding in the city as it is open for business!

  51. Emma said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:56 pm:
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    Mark Wolfe, we’d be happy if you would spend more time concerning yourself with ballet and less time buying off extortionists. The City should have made a statement to the Feds, loud and clear, by fighting off this special interest group, not paying them off to buy some ephemeral protection. Perhaps the expenses of multilanguage forms, additional personnel, etc. that the settlement mandates can be taken from your precious performing arts center instead. No conflict of interest there, hmmm?

  52. anonymous said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:40 am:
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    This issue is an example of the lack of leadership and courage in our electeds, pastors, and other public servants. It is easier to give money then deal head on with a problem. Johnny cries in the store for a sweet, you give in because to really parent the little brat is too much work and you don’t want a show down. The “poor” want more even money and benefits even though their lifestyle is the cause of most of their problems, pass the plate because if you dare say anything you get called “intolerant” or “judgemental”. As long as we contiune to elect men and women who are not courageous but at their very core weak and godless, we will in fact reap what we sow, pray for our country and its leaders and pastors and civil servants, they need them!

  53. Emma said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:58 am:
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    I hope others follow the lead in taking note of this idiocy and remembering it in three years for the next Council election. We don’t need council members who sit on the board partly to protect their own or their spouses’ interests. They need to be representing the legal, taxpaying citizens.

  54. Peter G. said on 28 Sep 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    You talk a big story of courage then post behind a fake name. The council did what was right for the city.
    Whose spouse are you talking about? I can think of any of them that will gain personally from this action. And you too talk a big story about knowing what is going on. The next council election is less than two years away, you spew a lot of opionions and facts, how many more are wrong?

  55. YesJesusLovesYou said on 28 Sep 2008 at 11:01 pm:
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    I pray for you and for your soul. God bless you, and may he bring you peace. The Bible will show you the way and will lead you back to path of rightousness. You are forgiven.

  56. CitizenofManassas said on 29 Sep 2008 at 7:56 am:
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    Peter G,

    Did the City do right by letting the “sign” guy off the hook? Tell me how illegals will now stop living in overcrowded homes.

  57. Peter G. said on 29 Sep 2008 at 5:09 pm:
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    The sign is down, yes it took too long but that is the process set by law. It is a difficult situation with overcrowding, I don’t have an answer except that it has to be done lawfully. Fire code maybe?
    Please pray for COM too, he has some real anger and hate issues.

  58. anonymous said on 29 Sep 2008 at 6:27 pm:
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    Hey Peter G - you post your name and I will post mine - big talk indeed!!!

  59. Peter G. said on 29 Sep 2008 at 8:58 pm:
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    Peter F. Graver, you’re up pal.

  60. CitizenofManassas said on 30 Sep 2008 at 1:23 pm:
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    Peter G,

    I have a respect for the law, that is not hate. I suppose if I dislike killers, I am a hateful person?

    I understand the process has to be followed, and in fact posted here a couple of times to let the City do their job. However, once it entered the legal system, the City should have pushed for punishment. I doubt he even had to pay for the court costs that were incurred by the City.

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