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McCain Explicitly Calls For Amnesty

By Greg L | 23 September 2008 | National Politics, Illegal Aliens | 133 Comments

Just because he’s talking about illegal aliens that happen to be Caucasian, that doesn’t give John McCain license to call for granting them amnesty.

McCain said there were “50,000 Irish men and women in this country illegally who want to become citizens” and that “we have to give them a path to citizenship.”

No, we do not.

If we reinforce the idea that given enough time, we’ll implement the eighth amnesty for illegal aliens since 1986, all we’re going to do is encourage more  illegal aliens to unlawfully enter the country anticipating the ninth.  This is utter madness.  Since 1990, we’ve had at least one million illegal aliens enter the country on average.  They’ve stolen the identities of citizens, jobs that Americans could do and depressed wage scales in manual trades, been responsible for a shocking amount of violent crime, and bolstered the ranks of criminal gangs such as MS-13.  It has cost our nation billions of dollars in public benefits provided to illegal aliens, and played a significant part in the collapse of a large portion of our financial system.  And John McCain wants to perpetuate this travesty underneath yet another fig leaf of implementing border security as part of a “comprehensive” solution.

McCain is proud of his tratorious selling out of our nation with Ted Kennedy as his willing accomplice.  Now he wants your vote.  Does he deserve it?



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133 Comments

  1. Anonymous said on 23 Sep 2008 at 11:31 pm:
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    NO! ….and i’m of Irish ancestry

  2. anon in dale city said on 23 Sep 2008 at 11:43 pm:
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    But doesn’t nominating Sarah Palin make up for everything? The base is energized.

  3. CR UVa said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:00 am:
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    I really dislike the idea of an Obama presidency, and I know that when the time comes, I’ll pull the lever for McCain, but why does he feel like he will be able to maintain the base if he keeps yo-yoing them along with his swings? I got a McCain/Palin bumper sticker a couple days ago that I have not yet put on my car, and it is getting harder and harder for me to find the motivation to put it on.

  4. Here we go again said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:15 am:
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    It is very hard to vote for McCain, Palin helps a whole lot. But what can we do? Sure can’t go for Obama, as he will give the country away. If we don’t vote or write in a vote then Obama could pull it off.

    No matter what we are in danger.

    Perhaps we could go for McCain and hound them to death with e-mails.Some how we have to lead them to do the right thing.

    Maybe it’s worth a try.

  5. Bridget said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:23 am:
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    Nothing new under the sun:

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2006/07/12/illegal-irish-out-themselves/

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/03/08/deport-the-irish/

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/04/30/irish-president-speaks-to-congress-asks-for-legalization/

    http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_050208.htm

  6. zeezil said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:53 am:
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    Illegal Immigration And The Mortgage Mess
    http://www.vdare.com/malkin/080923_immigration.htm

  7. PWConservative said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:34 am:
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    McCain will be more likely to listen to us than Obama will.
    However Obama will fix the immigration problem by screwing America up so bad that no-one will want to move here. In fact I got my passport renewed in case McCain loses.
    While You may disagree with mccain on immigration, He will appoint Pro-Life Judges that will likely overturn roe v wade in less than 3 years.
    Do you really want 30+ Million more Aborted Babies?
    Think about it

    A responsibility rests on your shoulders Greg, It would be a shame to come so close to ending this holocaust, But lose over a less important issue.

  8. Ducky said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:37 am:
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    SEPTEMBER 23, 2008
    Immigration Slows in Face of Economic Downturn
    U.S. Crackdown on Illegal Workers Further Dims Opportunity
    By MIRIAM JORDAN and CONOR DOUGHERTY

    The economic downturn, coupled with a government crackdown on illegal immigration, is dramatically slowing immigration to the

    The data, and additional analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center, provide the first solid evidence that fewer foreigners are entering the U.S — and some illegal immigrants who are already here may be returning home because of decreased opportunity.

    The data, part of the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey, shows that the country’s foreign-born population grew by about 500,000 last year, about half the annual average between 2000 and 2007.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122213015990965589.html

  9. Ducky said on 24 Sep 2008 at 2:02 am:
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    Nothing good will come from an Obama Presidency. No candidate is going to be perfect in every respect. If you want to lose the Iraq war and have more abortions performed in this country, among other things, vote for Obama. A shame you may have to get your hands dirty by pulling the lever for McCain.

  10. Bobby said on 24 Sep 2008 at 3:57 am:
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    Voting for either McCain or Obama is a disaster, because in reality, these two were hand picked by the elites who have brought this nation to its knees. Hasn’t anyone noticed that Obama literally came out of nowhere, and the McCain ccampaign was just about broke, almost every candidate was ahead of him, and yet……….. Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Ralph Nader, Dr. Ron Paul, Americans has their chance to elect fairly honest people, but we would have had to fight for them. We didn’t. Now we must suffer the consequences of either of these two corporate controled morons becoming President.

  11. Bobby said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:01 am:
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    Actually Obama cannot give the country away. In fact, I would think that it would be harder for Obama to create an amnesty with subsequent millions of chain migrants. The republican elites would then have something to oppose him on. But the stupid Republican elites, will agree to give McCain the amnesty the moment he pushes it, because they have abandoned their base so many times.

  12. Bobby said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:05 am:
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    Of course the only other way to stop John, “Americans wouldn’t pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour”, McCain, would be to start a list of all the Congresspeople and Senators who would support and amnesty and inform them, clearly, and forcefully, that if they do, they are history. They are on the unemployment line that they have put so many American citizens on.

  13. junes_reston said on 24 Sep 2008 at 6:18 am:
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    PWConservative said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:34 am:
    While You may disagree with mccain on immigration, He will appoint Pro-Life Judges that will likely overturn roe v wade in less than 3 years.
    Do you really want 30+ Million more Aborted Babies? Think about it

    Just out of curiosity - how do you plan to pay for those 30+ million babies?

  14. starryflights said on 24 Sep 2008 at 7:14 am:
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    I am of Irish decent and I am absolutely against amnesty for ALL CRIMINALS..ILLEGAL ALIENS. It doesn’t matter what country they are from. I do believe that if we can NOT get rid of all the illegals that have caused a huge imbalance to our mixing pot, that we should open the flood gates to other countries around the world, until we again achieve that mixing pot that made us the greatest country in the world.

  15. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 7:24 am:
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    “I’ll pull the lever for McCain, but why does he feel like he will be able to maintain the base if he keeps yo-yoing them along with his swings?”

    Because you’re so conditioned to pull the lever.

    “Perhaps we could go for McCain and hound them to death with e-mails.Some how we have to lead them to do the right thing.”

    Sigh.

  16. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 7:45 am:
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    Wow. A guy named McCain pandering to the Irish. Illegal aliens, to boot. Go figure. American Presidential politics have reached a new low. This election should be taking place in the third world. None of us are outraged enough to do anything about it. Does that bother anyone?

    A friend recently returned from Ireland and told me that they are trying to attract immigration because of the increased job opportunities. Have the illegal alien Irish missed this fact? Or do they just enjoy the U.S. better than home? Sitting around the Pub, whining about the “cause”? Free speech is cool, huh? Nice to live in one of the few places where we protect it, isn’t it?

    We can deport the illegals. They are leaving on their own as we speak. We must stay the course, work together to reduce their opportunities and they will leave. More importantly, they won’t bother to come if they can’t make a living or take advantage of our generosity.

    The world is changing, folks. “Globalization” seems to be a buzzword for “…follow the U.S.’s lead.” We need to lead the world by restoring integrity to our business practices. Screw the bailout. Let those companies and banks collapse. It’ll discourage future attempts to squeeze our economy. Keep government and business separate. This whole damn mess was driven by greed and illegal immigrant labor.

    Clarify the 14th Amendment. No more anchor babies. Deport the anchors with their parents. We don’t want to be accused of separating families.

    Build the fence, a physical barrier from Texas to California.

    Make every law enforcement officer in America capable of detaining illegals.

    Require every school and social service to verify citizenship and refuse service to ALL illegals. Hospitals may treat and report.

    Decriminalize drugs. Watch Mexico’s government collapse, along with several other corrupt, terrorist-sponsoring nations. We’re financing our own demise to get high. They will work it out. Let them sell their poison elsewhere.

    Throw the incumbents out. Politics should be considered service, not be a career. Watch your elected officials like a hawk.

  17. alleycat said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:16 am:
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    Johnson for President! :-)

  18. DPortM said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:41 am:
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    Johnson, I agree with you, with the exception of decriminalizing drugs.

    If we do decriminalize drugs, then it has to be done in a manner that will not have the legal, taxpaying citizens footing the bills for overdoses, drug rehabilitation, welfare for drug users, etc… I don’t want my taxpayer dollars providing any benefit or service for those persons who are stupid enough to do drugs.

  19. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:56 am:
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    Looking at the way the polls are moving, we probably won’t have to worry about a McCain Presidency anyway …

    but the Republicans among you BLEW a chance to move your party from their position on this issue, to really send them a message that would have been 1000 times more powerful than any e-mail or Fax you will ever send. Greg saw it. Too many of you were pathologically incapable of seeing it or considering your option to really care, to see an issue outside the prism of two-party us-vs-them politics.

    As far as I’m concerned McCain is the worse option of the two and if anyone wants to throw an election night celebration when he goes down, count me in.

  20. AWCheney said on 24 Sep 2008 at 9:03 am:
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    Insofar as McCain is concerned, what does he really know about the civilian middle class or the private sector, in general? He went straight into politics from the military, and has been there ever since. Marrying well (financially) after playing around and then unloading his first wife, he’s never really been a part of the struggling middle class by any stretch of the imagination. That would hardly give him a firm grasp of what the average American is, and will be, suffering in this economy…which is going to get far worse before it gets better. It’s little wonder that he embraces amnesty as his predecessor did.

    Of course, Obama is another story…and no less undesirable. The Independents are looking awfully good right now, comparatively speaking.

  21. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 9:06 am:
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    Illegal immigration helps McCain get his 7 houses built at reasonable prices … helps Pelosi keep wages down on her vineyard …

  22. CitizenofManassas said on 24 Sep 2008 at 9:11 am:
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    I do not care where an illegal comes from, they are illegal and should not get rewarded for breaking the law.

    McCain is still better than Obama..

  23. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:09 pm:
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    Even the New Republic is disturbed by what a liar McCain is - “Liar’s Poker” - http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=71756e51-a09c-4b7d-b270-c6327191b341

  24. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:14 pm:
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    So, in summary, McCain is :

    1. A big liar
    2. The biggest proponent of Amnesty walking - Ted Kennedy’s agent within the GOP on this issue
    3. Marketing his campaign in Spanish
    4. So out-of-touch on Iraq that he doesn’t know the difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis
    5. Not sure whether he’s in favor of regulation or deregulation
    6. Very tempermental

    “But - he’s much better than the caricature of Barack Obama that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh have sold me! Viva McCain!”

    Vote. But don’t vote for Obama and don’t vote for McCain.

  25. K.O'toole said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:16 pm:
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    another reason to keep illegals out and keep costs down: From Novatownhall.com: “We in Loudoun County are about to get hammered financially in the coming year and years to come. How much is hard to say, but if you take out a copy of your most recent pay stub and mentally subtract a few hundred dollars, that will give you some idea, and if you take out a copy of your most recent mortgage invoice and add a few hundred dollars, that will probably round out the picture.

    And where is all that money that was just taken from you going?

    Well, in large part it is going to subsidize illegal aliens who bought houses on extremely sketchy terms, as Michelle Malkin reveals today.

    Actually, I also have some familiarity with this issue because an acquaintance who was in the mortgage business tried to explain a couple years ago that “something strange is going on” whereby people of dubious documentation and credit were being awarded loans that were never actually paid on, and because of the lag time in bank action they got to live in the house for the better part of a year - and even rent out rooms to make it very cash-positive - before being forced to move and do it all over again. This was confirmed to me in more concrete terms by one of the ladies at the Loudoun Community Association who documented an actual case of this recently.

    The other chunk of your money is going to pay for educating the children of illegal immigrants in Loudoun County, as I hinted at in this post and which was confirmed inadvertantly at last night’s public meeting in Sterling. A Loudoun County public school teacher calling for everyone to sing Kumbaya stated that “many of my students have parents who may not have documentation and cannot speak English.” Shortly thereafter, Supervisor York referred to our current $178 million deficit. It was late so I was not inclined to point out the connection, but the connection needs to be spelled out - loudly and clearly and in huge letters: Your real estate taxes are going to skyrocket because Loudoun County has become Northern Virginia’s safe landing zone for illegal aliens. And if you want to know what you are getting for your money … well, don’t think too hard about that.”

  26. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:17 pm:
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    The way our President and most of our Congress are “representing” us in terms of trying to bail out Wall Street with taxpayer money - act now! act now! - is truly disgusting. Most of Washington has long ago lost track of right and wrong, or any principle they ostensibly hold except as campaign sloganeering.

  27. rebelreggie said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:43 pm:
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    Wednesday, September 24, 2008

    Dear Friends,

    Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.

    The events of the past week are no exception.

    The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress’ throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! “This is welfare for the rich,” he said. “This is socialism for the rich. It’s bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters.”

    That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we’re being told it’s unavoidable.

    The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!

    • The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.

    • Financial institutions are “designated as financial agents of the Government.” This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.

    • Then there’s this: “Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.” Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.

    There goes your country.

    Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this “sadly necessary.” Sad, yes. Necessary? Don’t make me laugh.

    Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we’re supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they’re not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.

    Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we’ll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.

    The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?

    When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?

    Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.

    In liberty,

    Ron Paul

  28. Anonymous said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:46 pm:
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    K.O’toole said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:16 pm:
    Actually, I also have some familiarity with this issue because an acquaintance who was in the mortgage business tried to explain a couple years ago that “something strange is going on” whereby people of dubious documentation and credit were being awarded loans that were never actually paid on, and because of the lag time in bank action they got to live in the house for the better part of a year - and even rent out rooms to make it very cash-positive - before being forced to move and do it all over again.

    I have heard the same story from friends in the business. That is why, instead of bailing out the banks (especially Wakovia and Bank of America) we should be going after them for comitting fraud by underwriting these mortages for people who had absolutely no right to them and have put this country in dire straights.

  29. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:49 pm:
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    DportM-

    I tend to agree that I don’t support public funds for drug treatment. However, I do believe that the benefits of decriminalization far outweigh the costs.

    Decriminalizing drugs would remove funding for terrorism. Afghanistan’s gov’t would fall.

    Every government from Mexico to Bolivia to the far east would feel the effects. Think how much the world economy would be affected if we kept all that drug money in the U.S. Countries who depend on the drug dollar would sink back into third world misery.

    We become a more sovereign nation.

  30. Anonymous said on 24 Sep 2008 at 12:50 pm:
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    CitizenofManassas said on 24 Sep 2008 at 9:11 am:
    I do not care where an illegal comes from, they are illegal and should not get rewarded for breaking the law.

    McCain is still better than Obama..

    Rotten fish smells rotten for a reason and there is no way to cover up the smell. You might try to hide the smell but the fish is still rotten.

  31. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:00 pm:
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    “That is why, instead of bailing out the banks (especially Wakovia and Bank of America) we should be going after them for comitting fraud by underwriting these mortages for people who had absolutely no right to them and have put this country in dire straights.”

    Here, here. Michelle Malkin is writing about it, but no one else seems to give a damn.

  32. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:14 pm:
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    http://news.google.com/news?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS285&q=afghan+tribal+leader+guilty+in+smuggling+trial&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=11&ct=title

    Hmmm…seems I’ve heard this somewhere before.

  33. Tyler Durden said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:14 pm:
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    For what it’s worth, the FBI is currently investigating 24 financial institutions for mortgage fraud.

  34. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:26 pm:
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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/24/illegals-unravel-libya-treaty/

    Have-nots, going to where they can be haves.

  35. Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:27 pm:
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    Johnson,

    your friend must not have been to Ireland tooo recently - their economy has been hit by the fallout in the US. Many of the cheap labor immigrants are actually leaving the country because of the economic slowdown.

    “whining about the “cause”? ” - if you knew anything the cause is exactly about Civil Rights, Free Speech and being treated fairly. The island of Ireland was kept in poverty and uneducated for centuries for a reason.

    Does anyone here actually think that the only ones gaming the mortgage system was the Illegal Alien? Although they did take part in it, they are hardly the majority of abuses. The abuses happened on Wall St, in mortgage companies, brokers and banks. The fact that someone got a mortgage with no documentation and no money down - that was plain old simple US Greed that got us here. Now the same people (Paulson was CEO of Goldman) say - give us 700 BBBBIllion and we will fix the problem for you.

    Many of you want to blame the Dems, but they are 100% correct on this - lets do it right - oversight and reports back - Paulson and Bernanke are trying to instill fear in us all - do it now, do it big - give us the money and ask no questions. You can say what you want about Pelosi, Frank and Schumer - at least this time they are not just handing over a blank check (with no balances).

  36. Brian Leeper said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:27 pm:
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    I just saw this in the JM today:

    AP
    Published: September 24, 2008

    ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) _ A northern Virginia man has pleaded guilty to helping to run a mortgage fraud scheme that defrauded lenders out of more than $2.5 million.

    Twenty-nine-year-old Gohar Mirza, of Annandale, said in court documents that he and several coconspirators sold properties in Annandale, Woodbridge and elsewhere to straw buyers, who used fraudulent loan documents to obtain financing. Many of the properties were quickly sold at inflated prices, and the buyers then defaulted on the mortgages.

    Mirza was the owner and operator of E-Star Lending. His guilty plea to mail and wire fraud in U.S. District Court in Alexandria comes as investigators have seen an upsurge in mortgage fraud nationwide.

    Mirza faces up to 20 years in prison when he is sentenced Dec. 19.

  37. PWConservative said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:28 pm:
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    junes_reston

    You are a worthless piece of crap.

  38. TDB said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:42 pm:
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    This is off topic…but, am I the last person on earth to know that Elena Schlossberg-Knucklehead is a MJM bored member???

    Elena Schlossberg-Kunkelwork
    9009 Church St
    Manassas, VA 20110-5410
    (703) 368-3101

    Job title: Board Member
    Company: Manassas Journal Messenger

    http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_b&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=&name=Schlossberg-Kunkel&street=&city_zip=&state_id=VA&localtime=survey

  39. TDB said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:43 pm:
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    correct name Elena Schlossberg-Kunkel sans work.

  40. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:49 pm:
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    Pat.Herve-

    Yeah, the Irish got $h!t on. So have we all, at one time or another. Sorry! Get over it. :-(

    As far as my friend, just going by what he told me.

    You’re right about the loans, people who shouldn’t have had a loan in the first place were getting them. Greed, pure and simple, from the real estate agents to Fannie Mae, everybody went along and everybody made money. Dems and the GOP share the blame and the greed. Can’t lay this one at any one party’s feet, it goes too deep. The FBI will get to the bottom of it.

  41. Max Power said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:56 pm:
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    I can not and will not vote for Juan McAmnesty. If that means Obama becomes president, so be it. If we elect John McCain, amnesty will happen and the continued destruction of our culture will continue.

    I don’t think Obama can get an amnesty package through a Democratic Controlled congress. The Republicans will see it as a vote winning issue, and red-state Democrats can not take the chance. If McCain is president, the Republicans will fall in line and red-state Democrats are being “bi-partisan”.

    If you care about this issue, do not vote for McCain. I’m not saying vote for Obama (im not), but pick one of the 3rd parties or write someone in.

  42. AWCheney said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:59 pm:
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    PWConservative, that is a totally uncalled-for remark! It would not be untoward for someone who considers the illegal immigration issue much more immediately pressing to say the same of you, given your lack of good manners…and appropriate vocabulary. Methinks you owe Junes_Reston an apology.

  43. AWCheney said on 24 Sep 2008 at 2:02 pm:
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    That is, of course, LACK of appropriate vocabulary.

  44. Billy Bob said on 24 Sep 2008 at 2:10 pm:
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    AWCheney, let’s return to your comment posted @ 9:03….substitute
    McCain’s name with John F Kennedy and then discover that your remarks
    to be completely appropriate.

  45. AWCheney said on 24 Sep 2008 at 2:56 pm:
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    Perhaps Billy Bob but, despite being a Democrat, I don’t recall JFK promoting amnesty for illegal aliens, or even promoting lax immigration laws…what does THAT say about our Republican choice?

  46. Big Dog said on 24 Sep 2008 at 3:07 pm:
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    Just picked up a Manassas City sample ballot for the
    November 4, 2008 election.

    Along with McCain and Obama for President, there are
    four other names - Bob Barr (Libertarian Party),
    Ralph Nader (Independent Party), Chuck Baldwin
    (Independent Green Party), and Cynthia McKinney
    (Green Party). Apparently Ron Paul didn’t get enough
    names in Va., but you can write him in.

    Laugh at these folks, but remember that many think
    that Nader cost Gore the very close 2000 election.
    Could one of these people play the same role in 2008?

  47. Naughtius Maximus said on 24 Sep 2008 at 3:12 pm:
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    None of those are acceptable to me. And i believe they’re all soft-to-wildly out there on the illegal immigration issue.

    Ham Sandwich, Lou Dobbs, or Baba Booey for me.

  48. Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 3:44 pm:
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    PWConservitive,

    you say 30 million abortions - over what time period are we talking about.

  49. Mando said on 24 Sep 2008 at 3:46 pm:
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    “Laugh at these folks, but remember that many think
    that Nader cost Gore the very close 2000 election.
    Could one of these people play the same role in 2008?”

    No. There are too many people wonky for Obama. I can understand the principle behind voting for a 3rd party to make a statement but, in essence, it’s a throw-away vote.

  50. Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 3:55 pm:
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    said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

    Speaking to South Carolina reporters, he added, “We don’t have the luxury of kicking this can down the road like we did with immigration or Social Security and dealing with it another day hoping somebody braver than us will come along and have courage that we can’t muster to deal with immigration or social security. This is on our watch.”

    What a great quote. Lets do nothing, and pass the problem along to someone else who is braver……

  51. w e stewart said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:07 pm:
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    So you have your Passport ready, eh. Hmmm, sounds like your late, though. Obama Ramboni will null and void your passport in the blink of a cats eye. The little gov’t officials will double time to comply with that instruction, with a push of Delete button on the computer you paid for and you will be deleted. You need a back up plan like Obam has.
    Obam has duel citizens ship, that is if his Mommy and Daddy were legally married. Since his pappy was from Kenya. It is held that one can hold dual national citizenship if ones parents are citizens from two different (correct me if I’m wrong) recognized nations? So it begs the question: Has Obam ever recited the Pledge to Kenya? Has Obam ever held a Kenyan passport? and if he did, would it make him ineligble to run for the presidency? if we, the American people knew what the FBI knows about Obam, would the white people that it will take to elect him, elect him.
    Black people can’t elect Obam, only white people can. Now I didn’t say there is anything wrong with electing any person of color (whatever that means)to the presidency. Personally I like and admire Mr Walter Williams, who has sat in on the Rush to Truth show many times, that’s the guy, now you know who I mean. Walter is a black man and would really skake up Washington, or about Dr Tom Sowell, the noted economist? These two are real Americans in my view, but then again, I’m predjuiced in my view.

    4. So out-of-touch on Iraq that he doesn’t know the difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis.
    I agree, I don’t think Sen McCain knows the difference between the Shiits and Sunnis. Neither do I for that matter, and I don’t care either. I don’t care if a Cathloic, Baptist, Seventh day Adventest, Presbyterian runs as long as they don’t profess to kill everybody that’s not and they don’t and probably never will. I do care when I see a Muslim on the ticket that hasn’t declared he is a Muslim. I care about that a lot.
    In my wonderings I can occasionaly make mistakes in my spelling, I don’t care about that either. It isn’t that important and if someone is so bent on pointing it out then he/she is missing the point!
    Besides being very teacherous.
    W E Stewart
    This ismy Nom De blog name, my real name is W E Stewart

  52. alleycat said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:16 pm:
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    TDB said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:42 pm:

    VERY interesting………….

  53. le said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:47 pm:
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    TDB, that explains a lot…

  54. le said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:48 pm:
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    Elena Schlossberg-Kunkelwork
    9009 Church St
    Manassas, VA 20110-5410
    (703) 368-3101

    Job title: Board Member
    Company: Manassas Journal Messenger

  55. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 4:50 pm:
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    It’s all about not rocking the boat, following the polls and getting re-elected.

  56. Anonymous said on 24 Sep 2008 at 5:06 pm:
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    Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:27 pm:
    Does anyone here actually think that the only ones gaming the mortgage system was the Illegal Alien? Although they did take part in it, they are hardly the majority of abuses.

    Beg to differ with you. Take at look at the classifieds (foreclosures) and read the names. Nine out of 10 are Latino names and this has been the case since the start of this mess ((at least in this area of the country.)) I followed the Real Estate section of the WP back in 2004/05 and couldn’t believe the number of Latinos buying 4-5 hundred thousand dollar house as well as the “cheaper” 2-3 hundred thousand dollar palaces. My neighbor across the stree sold his house to a Latino for 489,000 and two weeks later the house was then sold to another Latino for 509,000. This is only one of many I know of where buyers were outbid by Latinos and these houses are all in forecloser with few exceptions.

  57. DPortM said on 24 Sep 2008 at 5:17 pm:
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    Just ask Chris a/k/a Lafayette about the foreclosures. She works in the business and she indicated that 90% of the foreclosures in our area were people with Latino surnames.

  58. Citizen12 said on 24 Sep 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    What to do with 50,000 Irish men and women here illegally, hmmmmm…..

    O.K. - give them all temporary resident status - give them all jobs as immigration agents and have them round up and return the 12 million illegal’s from south of the boarder BACK to south of the border. Once there, just give them Mexico as a bonus for a job well done.

    They would whip that country into shape within a couple years, kind of like those English “immigrants” did to Australia. By that time, we could hire them on to come back from time to time for round ups.

    You know, doing the kind of work the American government won’t let Americans do for themselves.

  59. Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 5:52 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    When I look at Wall Street, and all the mortgage banks who provided these mortgages to people, I do not see any Illegal Immigrants. I see American Greed - just look at Lehman brothers, they have set aside 2 BBBBIlion dollars to pay out bonuses - they bankrupt the place, yet bonuses still get paid!! In my business, if we don’t excel, we do not get a bonus, much less bankrupt the place.

    Re the latinos, I see many people around me who bought WAY beyond there means, and they are forclosing.

    It was not the ‘latino sounding names’ people - wake up - it was American Business men that did it.

  60. Johnson said on 24 Sep 2008 at 6:40 pm:
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    Citizen-I like it!

    Pat.Herve-

    The illegals have been gaming us. They are criminals. Period.

  61. Pat.Herve said on 24 Sep 2008 at 7:18 pm:
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    Johnson - the illegals did not do us in on Wall Street - did they?

    It was wall street and the bankers that pushed no document loans into the hands of the people who could not afford the loans.

    It is easy to blame everything on the illegal, but it is US that pays them to work, it is US that gave away loans with no documents and no salalry, it is US that STILL employs them.

    So, do not blame the Illegal for taking advantage of US, when we think we are taking advantage of them.

    I see many of my Very Conseritive Republican neighbors having pedro mow their lawn (still).

    Lehman - bonuses all around, thanks for sending us to bankrupcy court.

  62. PWConservative said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:38 pm:
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    AWCheney

    Junes_Reston asked how we were going to pay for the unaborted babies, In my book that makes Junes_Reston lower than excrement.

  63. ben said on 24 Sep 2008 at 11:38 pm:
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    aren’t we due for a revolt? elected officials are so out of touch with the american citizens it is really scarey!!!!

  64. Anonymous said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:39 am:
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    Why, ben, are you using Greg L’s site to incite people to commit acts of violence against - your words - “elected officials”?

  65. Ducky said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:41 am:
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    ben, are you using Greg L’s site to incite people to commit violent acts against “elected officials”?

  66. concrete4 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:15 am:
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    YES WE ARE! And YES our elected officials are selling us down a river. Just look at the “pay off” that just occured in the City of Manassas………have they no guts to just say NO? Obviously not….

  67. info said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:23 am:
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    MANASSAS, Va.—It’s patrol day for Maureen Wood and Allison Kipp. Armed with a notebook and cell phone, the two friends set off in a minivan in search of changes they don’t like in their hometown.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-anxiety-immigrationsep25,0,3946566,print.story

  68. junes_reston said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:25 am:
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    PWConservative said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:38 pm:
    AWCheney — Junes_Reston asked how we were going to pay for the unaborted babies, In my book that makes Junes_Reston lower than excrement…..

    Babies are aborted for any number of reasons - unplanned, health issues, deformities, rape, incest, etal.

    And yet you appoint yourself gatekeeper to the bedroom and dictator of women’s lives. And while you rant on about the front side, you are so short sighted that you do not see the end result.

    I asked who will care for these 30+ babies and as a true short-sighted thinker, you have no answer.

    You would rather an unplanned/unwanted child be brought into the world and subjected to abuses. Or perhaps you presume all these parents will somehow “come around” (it doesn’t happen that way).

    You would rather a woman die than abort in cases of health issues.

    You would rather a child be brought into the world deformed and diseased.

    You expect all this but you will make considerable distance between yourself and any parent or child who is a product of your warped thinking.

    I’m also willing to go out on a limb and say you probably have never adopted or fostered a child, or took a pregnant woman into your home and cared for her and her child as your own.

    Roe v Wade is accepted by most Republicans - whether you like it or not. Your juvenile behavior will not counter the fact that Republicans do not want to take away a woman’s reproductive rights nor do they want desperate women to go back to the hack doctors we saw in the 60s.

    Rather than sticking your tongue out and then running away, try acting like a grown up and back up your reasons why 30 million unplanned/unwanted babies are a good thing for our country and how the parents will support and nurther them. If you can!

  69. legal2 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:01 am:
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    Roe v Wade was based on a lie and made law by the Supreme Court, which was stepping way beyond their limits of interpreting the law.

    IMO, 30 million babies killed by their mothers = 30 million women (and collateral damage) creating a very sick society.

  70. legal2 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:02 am:
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    Perhaps Junes would prefer to immigrate to the Netherlands, where infanticide is accepted to include 7 year old children? I’m sure they have “good” reasons for their accepted policy.

  71. BattleCat said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:24 am:
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    McAmnesty…

    Yep, he’s throwing the election away with both hands. This bailout is going to cost him, that and the fact that every time he opens his mouth, he loses points. I had hope for a while, and the real shame of it is..he’s dragging Palin down with him. Hey McCain, here’s a hint….people who did everything with their finances right don’t want to pay for other people’s mistakes. This bailout is Socialism, plain and simple.

  72. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:39 am:
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    “I asked who will care for these 30+ babies and as a true short-sighted thinker, you have no answer. ”

    Jesus will! He loves us all.

    He needs a little help outlawing abortion, but once we do that for him and get his will jump-started he will take care of everything. And WE will get to go to heaven as a reward for interpreting the Bible the way we choose to. I’m hoping for 72 virgins! Should be cool!

  73. Pat.Herve said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:48 am:
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    where does this 30 million babies number come from?

    What lie was Roe V Wade based on?

    Abortion is not for me or my family (if I am part of the decision), but it might be right for someone else. Just like smoking - I do not smoke, but if you want to smoke and destroy your lungs, knock your self out.

  74. Mr. Anon said on 25 Sep 2008 at 8:59 am:
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    junes_reston said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:25 am:
    ‘PWConservative said on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:38 pm:
    AWCheney — Junes_Reston asked how we were going to pay for the unaborted babies, In my book that makes Junes_Reston lower than excrement…..

    Babies are aborted for any number of reasons - unplanned, health issues, deformities, rape, incest, etal.

    And yet you appoint yourself gatekeeper to the bedroom and dictator of women’s lives. And while you rant on about the front side, you are so short sighted that you do not see the end result.

    I asked who will care for these 30+ babies and as a true short-sighted thinker, you have no answer.”

    Jeremiah 1:5 – “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.” God creates life for a reason. Sometimes it is not perfect, sometimes children are born into a difficult life that none of us would ever wish for our own children. However, we do not have a right to undo what God in his providence has seen fit to create.

    The point is that we don’t know the way God thinks or what his reasons are. No one is promised a perfect life or perfect body, but that does not mean that life is not worth living if those things are not provided to us. Think of all the great people of the world, both now and historically, that have suffered with dieseases or misfortune. Should they not have been allowed to live? Perhaps there is some greater good that is accomplished by individuals who deal with these problems, or the people that have their lives touched by these individuals.

    Our Constitution establishes the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness early in the document. There is no right to an abortion that I am aware of.

    June, have you any idea how difficult it is to adopt a baby in the US? I have a close friend who has tried for years without success. She and her husband have finally given up and decided to adopt an infant from Russia. To say that these babies are unwanted is not correct.

    I don’t think it is correct to say anyone is lower than excrement. We should all strive to disagree without lowering ourselves to insults and crudeness. And, let’s try to treat women as ladies and act as gentlemen, as old-fashioned as that may sound these days.

  75. Mr. Anon said on 25 Sep 2008 at 9:02 am:
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    The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness was also expressly stated in the precursor to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence.

  76. K.O'toole said on 25 Sep 2008 at 9:16 am:
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    Pat.Herve, are you equating possibly damaging your lungs with the taking of a human life? Unbelievable. Why isn’t abortion right for you? Because it takes the life of your child? People of good judgment always err on the side of prudence.

    “Now, the very foundation of both the Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton cases - the cornerstone judgements ensuring unfettered rights to abortion-on-demand - have been undermined by the actual plaintiffs in both cases. According to an article published in Focus on Family magazine, 30 Years of Lies, the plaintiff for the Roe v. Wade case, Norma McCorvey, never even got an abortion after lying to her lawyers about being gang-raped. “When she found out the case went all the way to the Supreme Court and resulted in legalizing abortion in all 50 states, she was stunned” and attempted suicide, writes Tom Neven. Sandra Cano, the “Doe” of the companion case known as Doe v. Bolton, claims that she was played as a pawn by her lawyer, who surreptitiously had her sign an affadivit stating that “she had applied for an abortion, had been turned down and had therefore sued the state of Georgia…. This is a lie,” states Cano. She was even opposed to abortion, so the case was not even representative of her views. Both women have begun new lives as followers of Christ and are seeking to have their infamous cases overturned as part of a campaign called Operation Outcry.” http://www.leaderu.com/focus/30yearsroevwade.html

    Read Norma McCorvey’s interviews and books. She was used by the left with an agenda (surprise).

  77. James Young said on 25 Sep 2008 at 9:58 am:
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    Oh, gee. Well that makes a difference. I guess I now have to be for amnesty. Because I relate to those fair-skinned, blue-eyed Irish, and not to those dirty, dark Hispanics.

    NOT!

    What part of “illegal” doesn’t McCain understand?!?! It’s not their country of origin which is troublesome; it is that they have violated our laws to come/stay here.

    This is clearly an effort by McCain to pander to the “If-you’re-against- illegal-aliens-you-must-be-a-racist” crowd. It’s the kind of thing which (demonstrated by the comments) makes Conservatives deeply distrustful of him. It’s the same kind of appeal to the rhetoric of the far Left that made local Conservatives deeply distrustful of Chairman Sean. It bespeaks a difference in premises which makes the user untrustworthy, even if he/she occasionally stumbles unwittingly into the correct policy choice.

  78. Pete said on 25 Sep 2008 at 10:48 am:
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    This is a perfect opportunity for those of us who oppose amnesty to prove that it is an issue of fairness, national security and law & order rather than racism.

    McCain is miscalculating. I believe he thinks there won’t be a firestorm against illegal aliens from Ireland and can then throw the racism card at amnesty opponents.

    Unfortunately for McCain, the majority of anti-illegal immigration activists are opposed to amnesty for law breaking illegal aliens, period. Race, religion, or nationality is not of importance. How they entered the country is.

    Unleash the hounds and let McCain have it for this most recent amnesty statement!

  79. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 10:52 am:
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    “It was wall street and the bankers that pushed no document loans into the hands of the people who could not afford the loans.”

    It was the government who relaxed the lending standards to encourage home ownership. The bankers were following the law.

  80. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 10:55 am:
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    Not believing in a God, I think abortion is not immoral for 5 or 6 months or so, until the fetus starts to develop a brain and can feel pain.

  81. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 11:08 am:
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    “It was the government who relaxed the lending standards to encourage home ownership. The bankers were following the law.”

    The government relaxed the standards because of lobbying and money. They followed the law too, though they’re thoroughly corrupt. As I understand it they snuck some legislation that allowed use of Matricula Consular cards on Federally Guaranteed Loans into a defense spending bill a few years ago. I read that once but have trouble sourcing it on google … if it isn’t true I;m sure the real truth is something like that.

    I want the political equivalent of Jesus to go into the temple and upset the money lenders’ tables … I want some serious rules and constraints placed on anyone who uses Federally guaranteed money from now on, I want real salary caps for anyone who works at those institutions, i want real oversight. I’m sick of watching the rich profiteer and stick the rest of us with the bill in 15-20 year cycles. I’m mad at our President too who was as usual asleep at the switch.

    I’m sure what we’ll get though is another bailout and another 15-20 year cycle and our childrens’ birthright being slowly sold away to pay for today’s consumption level. “Hey, we’ll just grow our way out of this”.

    I will say one good thing, at least Bush gave a straightforward explanation last night instead of trying to cover his own ass or justify his previous approach to things.

  82. Advocator said on 25 Sep 2008 at 11:12 am:
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    All illegals need to leave.

  83. K.O'toole said on 25 Sep 2008 at 11:42 am:
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    And take their babies with them.

  84. junes_reston said on 25 Sep 2008 at 11:58 am:
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    legal2 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:02 am:
    Perhaps Junes would prefer to immigrate to the Netherlands, where infanticide is accepted to include 7 year old children? I’m sure they have “good” reasons for their accepted policy…..

    I am an American and will remain in the United States of America wth fellow Republicans who accept Roe v Wade and do not want to set the clocks back 100 years for women because a loud minority - who have never adopted or fostered a child - say it is based on a lie.

    Despite all these attacks, not one person has even offered a plan as to how these 30+ million babies will be fed, cared for and educated.

    But this is how the loud minority operates - they make unreasonable demands without resonable consequences.

    You can quote all the Bible versus you like, but in the end, the loud minority is also known for citing the versus that work for them while disregarding the ones that don’t.

    Republicans I know acknowledge that abortion may not be for them (myself included) but they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others just as they are offended by others who try to impose differing religious beliefs on them.

    They also site an equally compelling and appropriate Bible passage - render onto Caesar what is Caesar’s and onto God that which is God’s.

    In other words, although you have the right and responsibility to change laws you feel are not in the best interest of the country - according the process in place, unless your life is perfect in your creator’s eyes, you are not in a position to dictate to others how they shall live theirs.

    It appears we have a number of people who feel they are perfect in the eyes of their creator on this forum yet surprisingly want to remain anonymous while attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

    If these people believe in the omnipotence of their creator, they surely also know that all will be sorted out in HIS time. Even God has mentioned more than a few times, that it is in your best interest to get your own house in order before trying to reorganize someone elses.

  85. Johnson said on 25 Sep 2008 at 12:32 pm:
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    Since we’re off thread anyway…

    http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20080925/workplace-forward-grp.htm

    It’s time for us to put our lazy-a$$ed teens back to work.

  86. Here we go again said on 25 Sep 2008 at 12:54 pm:
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    TDB

    No your not the last to know,as I did not know but I will pass it around. No wonder the Manassas Journal is so biased. To have Kunkelhead work there. She probably does it to get access to information about alot of things.

    I always thought she was what they refer to as a dumbo.She is absolutely pathetic.
    Apparwently she has been around alot of areas. Wonder why she left?

  87. K.O'toole said on 25 Sep 2008 at 1:07 pm:
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    TDB & Here we go, she’s probably the reason gothard’s comments go right through, while other comments to articles are “lost” in moderation. The MJM has no credibility left.

  88. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 1:08 pm:
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    Speaking of McCain -

    Does anyone here think it makes any sense when running for Presdient to say “I can’t do two things at once” and bail out on a debate?

    I see this as a suicidal act which will cost him swing voters.

  89. Pat.Herve said on 25 Sep 2008 at 1:17 pm:
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    Leeper,

    the laws did not force the banks to provide no documents loans. Or to provide teaser rates. If they were just following the law, how have they made getting a loan stricter?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23731299/

    Following the law forced them to offer loans in neighborhoods that maybe they did not want to do business in, not relax the standards.

  90. Citizen12 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 1:23 pm:
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    This all plays into the plan for the North American Union. The uncontrollable illegal immigration, the inability of our congress to move forward on any major issue, the Executive and Judicial branch effectively side stepping the constitution and legislating from their respective office and now the hovering collapse of our economy.

    Now their puppets step forward with the grand plan to save us all. Next thing you know we will have no boarders to speak of and our currency will be standardized to the Amero.

    This is in the works - to hear more about your new currency check here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

  91. G Man said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:20 pm:
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    junes_reston said on 25 Sep 2008 at 11:58 am:

    “I am an American and will remain in the United States of America wth fellow Republicans who accept Roe v Wade and do not want to set the clocks back 100 years for women because a loud minority - who have never adopted or fostered a child - say it is based on a lie.”

    Junes, I got news for you. It is not a ‘loud minority’ like pro-choice folks want you to think. It is about an even split nationwide. Here are very recent polls from multiple liberal media sources to illustrate my point:

    http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

    Historically, the numbers against abortion in this country continue to grow. So stop all the nonsense talk about a “loud minority.” You are the minority, not pro-lifers. Get used to it!

  92. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:39 pm:
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    G Man, that may be, but the polls are taken of an ignorant populace that has had the issue ill defined by both political parties which explout them endlessly about it. As on the issue of illegal immigration, the issue you get in a poll has much to do with the way the question is phrased.

  93. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:46 pm:
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    I’m starting to think that America is two nations combined in a swirl - a nation of blow-hard irrational religious right-wingers who lack common sense in their quest to make Jesus happy and go to heaven, who will do anything to thrust their mythology out upon the rest of us. (”War in Iraq and 100 years of nation-building? Sign us up!”). And a nation of pu**ified left-wingers who have rationalized life so far beyond common sense that they don’t know how to fight back against enemies overseas and can’t fathom a society where there is no illusion that every bum and crackhead will have unlimited access to all good things at taxpayer expense. (”If we could just talk to our enemies in a study circle I’m sure something productive will come out of it. Maybe we can sponsor free needles for drug addicts or condoms for pre-teens in a third-world country …”).

    As “South Park” has illustrated from time to time possibly the only reason this nation of blathering idiots doesn’t completely immolate in one direction or the other is because the two sides keep each other in check …

  94. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:49 pm:
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    My fear is that the two sides make the WRONG compromises when they work together through our thoroughly corrupted government representatives … and we’ll end up funding a 700 Billion dollar bailout for the rich while policing Iraq to no good end and paying wages to schoolchildren for attending public schools (a “bold new innovative” idea in education reform).

  95. Johnson said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:59 pm:
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    I will stop supporting Roe V. Wade when there is no more use for it. When we all start taking responsibility for our actions and stop unwanted pregnancies.

    These are personal choices and should remain both. A choice. It’s personal. The law is clear.

  96. TDB said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:03 pm:
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    The Senate Ethics Committee lawyer who investigated McCain already had explained that scandal away — repeatedly. It was celebrated lawyer Robert Bennett, most famous for defending a certain horny hick president a few years ago.

    In February this year, on Fox News’ “Hannity and Colmes,” Bennett said, for the eight billionth time:

    “First, I should tell your listeners I’m a registered Democrat, so I’m not on (McCain’s) side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five. … And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him.”

  97. TDB said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:06 pm:
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    http://anncoulter.com/

    Instead of looking at “outdated criteria,” such as the mortgage applicant’s credit history and ability to make a down payment, banks were encouraged to consider nontraditional measures of credit-worthiness, such as having a good jump shot or having a missing child named “Caylee.”

    Threatening lawsuits, Clinton’s Federal Reserve demanded that banks treat welfare payments and unemployment benefits as valid income sources to qualify for a mortgage. That isn’t a joke — it’s a fact.

  98. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:09 pm:
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    Yeah, well, read about the Keating 5 (there’s a good entry at wikipedia) and then reflect on what’s happening with this bailout, and it shows that McCain is a pig at the trough watching history repeat itself. Every 15-20 years we all get to bail out the rich. McCain is old enough to have profiteered through 2 cycles.

    “McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the closest socially to Keating of the five senators.[24] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[22] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[25] In addition, McCain’s wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard Keating’s jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][26] “

  99. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:29 pm:
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    “If they were just following the law, how have they made getting a loan stricter?”

    Have they? You can still get a 30-year FHA loan with 3% down. We’re still not back to the days when you needed 20% down.

  100. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    Guess again who’s to blame for U.S. mortgage meltdown?
    Analysts point not to greed, but to social activist politics
    Posted: September 19, 2008
    6:19 pm Eastern

    By Drew Zahn
    WorldNetDaily

    Stan J. Liebowitz

    While many pundits are pointing to corporate greed and a lack of government regulation as the cause for the American mortgage and financial crisis, some analysts are saying it wasn’t too little government intervention that cased the mortgage meltdown, but too much, in the form of activists compelling the government to pressure Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae into unsound – though politically correct – lending practices.

    “Home mortgages have been a political piñata for many decades,” writes Stan J. Liebowitz, economics professor at the University of Texas at Dallas, in a chapter of his forthcoming book, Housing America: Building out of a Crisis.

    Liebowitz puts forward an explanation that he admits is “not consistent with the nasty-subprime-lender hypothesis currently considered to be the cause of the mortgage meltdown.”

    In a nutshell, Liebowitz contends that the federal government over the last 20 years pushed the mortgage industry so hard to get minority homeownership up, that it undermined the country’s financial foundation to achieve its goal.

    “In an attempt to increase homeownership, particularly by minorities and the less affluent, an attack on underwriting standards was undertaken by virtually every branch of the government since the early 1990s,” Liebowitz writes. “The decline in mortgage underwriting standards was universally praised as ‘innovation’ in mortgage lending by regulators, academic specialists, (government-sponsored enterprises) and housing activists.”

    He continues, “Although a seemingly noble goal, the tool chosen to achieve this goal was one that endangered the entire mortgage enterprise.”

    “As homeownership rates increased there was self-congratulation all around,” Liebowitz writes. “The community of regulators, academic specialists, and housing activists all reveled in the increase in homeownership.”

    An article in the Los Angeles Times from the late ’90s praised the sudden surge in homeownership among minorities, calling it “one of the hidden success stories of the Clinton era.”

    John Lott, a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland, however, claimed in a Fox News article yesterday that the success came at a great price.

    According to Lott, the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston produced a manual in the early ’90s that warned mortgage lenders to no longer deny urban and lower-income minority applicants on such “outdated” criteria as credit history, down payment or employment income.

    Furthermore, claims Lott, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac encouraged and praised lenders – like Countrywide and Bear Stearns – for adopting the slackened policies toward minority applicants.

    “Given these lending practices mandated by the Fed and encouraged by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,” writes Lott, “the resulting financial problems for financial institutions such as Countrywide and Bear Stearns are not too surprising.”

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    Liebowitz’ contention that lenders were under pressure to loosen their standards for racial and political goals was confirmed years ago by the companies at the heart of today’s crisis: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    A New York Times article from Sept. 1999 states that Fannie Mae had been under increasing pressure from the Clinton administration to expand mortgage loans among low- and moderate-income people and that the corporation loosened its lending requirements to comply.

    An ominous paragraph of the article reads, “In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980s.”

    Liebowitz likewise predicted in a 1998 paper the risk of sacrificing sound financial policy for social activism.

    “After the warm fuzzy glow of ‘flexible underwriting standards’ has worn off,” Liebowitz wrote, “we may discover that they are nothing more than standards that led to bad loans. … It will be ironic and unfortunate if minority applicants wind up paying a very heavy price for a misguided policy based on a badly mangled idea.”

    And though some have speculated that lenders in the ’90s dove into sub-prime mortgages in an effort to gouge new markets, the president and chief operating officer of Freddie Mac in 1999, David Glenn, confessed his company was pushed by a federal agenda.

    “The mortgage industry intends to pursue minorities with greater intensity as federal regulators turn up the heat to increase home ownership,” Glenn said in his remarks at the annual convention of the Mortgage Banker Association of America.

    “The federal government in the meantime has increased pressure on lenders to seek out minorities, as well as low-income groups and borrowers with poor credit histories,” Glenn said. “Fannie Mae recently reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to commit half its business to low- and moderate-income borrowers. That means half the mortgages bought by Fannie Mae would be from those income brackets.”

    In that same year, Freddie Mac warned of the logical pitfalls of pursuing loans on the basis of skin color and not credit history.

    The Washington Post reported that the company conducted a study in which it was found that far more black people have bad credit than white people, even when both have the same incomes. In fact, the study showed a higher percentage of African Americans with incomes of $65,000 to $75,000 had bad credit than white Americans with incomes of below $25,000.

    Such data demonstrated that when federal regulators demanded parity between racial groups in lending, the only way to achieve a quota would be to begin making intentionally bad lending decisions.

    The study, however, came under brutal attack in the U.S. Congress and was ridiculed with charges of racism.

    A few years later, when Greg Mankiw, chairman of President Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers, voiced a warning about weakened underwriting standards, Congress rebuffed him as well.

    The Wall Street Journal quoted Congressman Barney Frank, D-Mass., in 2003 as criticizing Greg Mankiw “because he is worried about the tiny little matter of safety and soundness rather than ‘concern about housing.’”

    Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, rejected a Bush administration and Congressional Republican plan for regulating the mortgage industry in 2003, saying, “These two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis.” According to a New York Times article, Frank added, “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

  101. legal2 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    The law was unlawfully enacted. No legislation from the bench. And lying to the Supreme Court is also actionable. People are working on it. And if we were a pure democracy, we could vote to make rape lawful. Too bad schools stopped teaching civics classes (without the lib bias/agenda). We have a lot of useful idiots helping to create a culture without a soul.

  102. Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:38 pm:
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    “McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory … After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’ - Ross Perot.

  103. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:40 pm:
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    “You can still get a 30-year FHA loan with 3% down.”

    Can still get a conventional with 3% down, the interest rates on FHA just happen to be a little lower.

  104. Johnson said on 25 Sep 2008 at 3:53 pm:
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    Here’s a novel idea-

    Get a job. Get two, if need be.
    Save money.
    Build good credit by paying your bills on time.
    Buy a house.
    Make the payments. Keep working two jobs if you must. It will pay off.

    You know, like our parents and grandparents did.

    If you’re not willing to make the effort, rent an apartment and shut up. Not everyone is cut out to own a home.

  105. junes_reston said on 25 Sep 2008 at 4:02 pm:
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    G Man said on 25 Sep 2008 at 2:20 pm: Junes, I got news for you. It is not a ‘loud minority’ like pro-choice folks want you to think. It is about an even split nationwide. ……………

    You do realize the percentages in these polls are based on input from an average of 3,000 people?

    This is what I mean when I speak of “loud minorty.” You are implying that .001% of the American population who participated in these polls are representative of the entire population.

    Would you like to try again, this time with something a little more credible?

  106. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 4:03 pm:
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    I think some overlook the maintenance costs associated with owning a house. Unless you do the work yourself, it can cost quite a bit to repair the things that your landlord would fix if you rented.

    Explain to me how someone who can barely make mortgage payments of say $1500/month is going to be able to afford to replace their furnace or air conditioner if it fails. Mastercard or Visa, I guess.

  107. Johnson said on 25 Sep 2008 at 4:26 pm:
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    Brian-
    Yes, it’s expensive. That’s why home improvement stores are so successful, and why illegals look for work in front of them. Mechanical/plumbing/electrical problems are expensive to fix. Roofs and siding are labor intensive. Mastercard and Visa work, plus most larger companies will finance large repairs, to include complete replacements. I’m not a tradesman, but I do recommend getting a service contract with a reputable HVAC contractor. For a nominal fee, you get a maintenance inspection once a year and if your HVAC does go out, you go to the top of the service call list as a contract holder. Saved my sanity more than once. I would still recommend ownership over renting, when possible.

  108. TDB said on 25 Sep 2008 at 4:32 pm:
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    Q: What do you call someone that can’t make their mortgage?
    A: A renter.

  109. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 5:14 pm:
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    “I would still recommend ownership over renting, when possible.”

    I know someone who got a 0% down, interest-only loan. He’d have been much better off renting.

    He’d have just as much equity (more actually since 0 is larger than a negative number) and wouldn’t be responsible for repairs.

  110. Brian Leeper said on 25 Sep 2008 at 5:20 pm:
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    “He’d have just as much equity (more actually since 0 is larger than a negative number) and wouldn’t be responsible for repairs.”

    Not to mention that he could walk away from it with nothing more than whatever his rental contract states as the penalty for early termination of the lease.

  111. legal2 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:20 pm:
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    junes, you don’t understand statistics, or the Constitution, or democracy. why not call yourself rino in reston?

  112. junes_reston said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:47 pm:
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    legal2 said on 25 Sep 2008 at 6:20 pm: junes, you don’t understand statistics, or the Constitution, or democracy……………

    Ah, but I do and this is why your comments are merely opinion with little credibility.

    As has been demonstrated on this thread, those who know the least throw barbs and names rather than present verifiable facts.

    Tossing in the Constitution and Democracy without adding a reference is a bit of a conundrum. Did you want to go somewhere with this or are you just trying to show us that you can spell big words?

  113. Dave in PWC said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:05 pm:
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    MJM censors comments and also drops people who register if the comment is not in agreement with their agenda. Funny how the same people who support illegals and amnesty get their comments accepted but I can’t.

  114. G Man said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:47 pm:
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    Junes the reason these polls are this size is because they need not be bigger. According to GALLUP having a sampling of that size “based on a total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.”

    One need not question every person in the US to get a statistically accurate sample.

  115. PWConservative said on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:30 am:
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    Junes_Reston

    As a Taxpayer I would be happy to pay for the care of a child rather than its murder.

    Maybe its time to also ask.
    Why don’t we abort people on unemployment and welfare? after all they aren’t productive members of society. And while we are at it how about the mentally handicapped?

    You are advocating the Hitler Doctrine.

  116. Mr. Anon said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:16 am:
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    The issue of whether to keep abortion legal should become a national referendum. It should be placed on the national ballot in four years, and we can vote our feelings and end this never-ending debating once and for all.

    Regardless of your religion (or lack of religous beliefs), if you take all the politics out of the issue and simply look at the procedure of abortion it cannot be seen as anything less than a barbaric and horrific act-homicide. It seems that people can stomach this and salve their conscience by creating a worst case scenario for every potential mother and child that continue with the pregnancy. Only then can they justify the act and feel that what they did was necessary.

  117. Mighty Putty said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:25 am:
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    Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:39 am:
    “I asked who will care for these 30+ babies and as a true short-sighted thinker, you have no answer. ”

    Jesus will! He loves us all.

    He needs a little help outlawing abortion, but once we do that for him and get his will jump-started he will take care of everything. And WE will get to go to heaven as a reward for interpreting the Bible the way we choose to. I’m hoping for 72 virgins! Should be cool!”

    Rick Bentley/Naughty Max, I have some advice for you:

    1. Get a haircut
    2. Stop smoking pot
    3. Get a job
    4. Stop picking a fight with Jesus (he still will love you and
    won’t fight back)
    5. Make up with your daddy over the religion thing
    6. Start dancing again instead of blogging so much to relieve
    your frustrations:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX38dNneIiU

    BTW, you don’t mention whether you want 72 male or female virgins, but I think we all know the answer.

  118. Mighty Putty said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:25 am:
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    Naughtius Maximus said on 25 Sep 2008 at 7:39 am:
    “I asked who will care for these 30+ babies and as a true short-sighted thinker, you have no answer. ”

    Jesus will! He loves us all.

    He needs a little help outlawing abortion, but once we do that for him and get his will jump-started he will take care of everything. And WE will get to go to heaven as a reward for interpreting the Bible the way we choose to. I’m hoping for 72 virgins! Should be cool!”

    Rick Bentley/Naughty Max, I have some advice for you:

    1. Get a haircut
    2. Stop smoking pot
    3. Get a job
    4. Stop picking a fight with Jesus (he still will love you and
    won’t fight back)
    5. Make up with your daddy over the religion thing
    6. Start dancing again instead of blogging so much to relieve
    your frustrations:

    BTW, you don’t mention whether you want 72 male or female virgins, but I think we all know the answer.

  119. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:59 am:
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    Damn that’s funny! Might Putty you’re so right. I’m gay. And that explains the rest. Good call.

    I can see we’re dealing with a real fearsome intellect here.

  120. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:03 am:
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    “Regardless of your religion (or lack of religous beliefs), if you take all the politics out of the issue and simply look at the procedure of abortion it cannot be seen as anything less than a barbaric and horrific act-homicide.”

    I don’t agree. If you poll people who don’t believe in religion, I’ll bet way over 90% think an abortion when the fetus has no developed brain and cannot feel pain is a trivial thing.

    As I’ve stated before, I think the train of thought goes like this :

    I believe people must have a thing called a “soul” because the Bible says so

    I believe everyone should acknowledge the truth of my religion, or they’ll all go to hell

    I believe that the soul is implicitly in a fetus from conception

    Therefore, abortion is a casual destruction of a soul and must be a bad sin

    Now take religion out of this, concern yourself with a “brain” as the core of a life rather than a “soul”, and abortion for the first 4 or 5 months or so is not really uglier than menstruation.

  121. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 10:05 am:
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    Does McCain have the cojones and cognitive ability to debate Obama on foreign affairs tonight? The debate is supposed to have mostly direct discussion between the two canididates for lengths of time.

    I think he’s scurred, myself. Obama is a smart dude and as articulate as anyone in politics … I think McCain’s actually running away from a debate, while trailing in the polls, on the very issue he is seen more favorably on.

    Increasingly, it becomes obvious that McCain is not fit. Wods that describe him are impetuous, reckless (as our current Presdient has been), tempermental.

  122. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 10:08 am:
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    Does anyone here not see that McCain is floating without a rudder?

  123. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 10:21 am:
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    How about a thread on the bailout?

    Seems to me the House Republicans are heroes here. Bush, McCain, Obama, Reid, Pelosi would have had us footing a huge bill before we even knew what was happening. By contrast the House GOP (NOT the elitists in the Senate) want to encourage private ownership rather than taxpayer bailout. It makes perfect sense to use the tax laws to encourage investment by those with capital, rather than to stack it onto our national debt and encourage the rich to hold onto their money while the taxpayer pays on bad assets.

    Look for Bush and McCain to jump on their side after they process the information in a day or so.

  124. Wineplz said on 26 Sep 2008 at 11:20 am:
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    Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:03 am:

    You’re very wrong.
    Between weeks 4 and 10 is when a fetus is developing his organs. By week 10 of gestation, the fetus already has his major organs and systems, including his brain and central nervous system, being able to sense changes in his environment in the uterus and even pain.

    http://www.babycenter.com/6_your-pregnancy-4-weeks_1080.bc?intcmp=timeline
    http://www.babycenter.com/6_your-pregnancy-6-weeks_1095.bc?intcmp=timeline
    http://www.babycenter.com/6_your-pregnancy-8-weeks_1097.bc?intcmp=timeline
    http://www.babycenter.com/6_your-pregnancy-10-weeks_1099.bc?intcmp=timeline
    http://www.brainmind.com/FetalBrainDevelopment.html

    The most primitive part of the brain, the brain stem, is developed by 7 weeks gestation (which is technically 5 weeks of development since the counting begins at the first day of the woman’s last menstrual period, and she isn’t usually ovulating until approximately 2 weeks after that date). The brain stem controls the most basic life functions (breathing, blood pressure, heart rate, etc) and reactions to stimulus (startling, crying, suckling).

    Many women don’t know they’re pregnant until around week 6 (sometimes even a little later). By the time a woman decides to have an abortion, the child already has a functioning and developing brain and can feel pain.

  125. DPortM said on 26 Sep 2008 at 11:34 am:
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    Please stop picking on Rick a/k/a Naughtius Maximus. Most of the people who post here have very strong views and type-A personalities. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

    Most people here are anti-illegal immigration and that is what brings us together to work for the common goal of ensuring that America remains America and not some third-world, socialist, cesspool.

    Rick, I appreciate you, your cynicism, and your sarcastic wit…

  126. Mighty Putty said on 26 Sep 2008 at 1:10 pm:
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    Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:59 am:
    “Damn that’s funny! Might Putty you’re so right. I’m gay. And that explains the rest. Good call.”

    Your words, not mine. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I’m sure you’re just holding out for a hero ’til the morning light.

    Just follow the six steps, Rick, and everything will be OK. I only wish you could think as fast as you type. I might have been wrong about the pot; perhaps it’s crystal meth.

    I am most sad that the taxpayers are probably subsidizing your internet rants. As far as statistics go, over 90 percent of Americans have jobs, and you should join us. And, 100 percent of the people on this blog are sick of you and the 50 posts a day you make. We get it: you don’t like God, daddy ruined religion for you, you don’t like McCain or Obama, and killing babies in the womb is A-OK.

  127. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 1:13 pm:
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    “And, 100 percent of the people on this blog are sick of you and the 50 posts a day you make. ”

    Hmm. You’ve been collating statistics?

    I do have a job. I’m a secret double-agent for the Obama campaign.

  128. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:20 pm:
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    I’m going to stop getting drawn into any flaming with you though MP. You’re on my ignore list. You’reb an imbecile not worthy of engaging anyway, my mistake to ever do so. Tempting as it is to do so, I decline the offer.

  129. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:27 pm:
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    So, back to the subject of McCain’s increasingly ludicrous campaign/non-campaign :

    “I am directing my campaign to work with the Obama campaign and the commission on presidential debates to delay Friday night’s debate until we have taken action to address this crisis.”

    No delay. There’s be a debate. It’s still a requirement of potential Presidents that they be able to do two things at once.

    So McCain looks a bit foolhardy, does he not?

  130. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:33 pm:
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    If elected, will he suspend the war in Iraq for two days, then start it again?

    If his Amnesty proposal gets through and our economy becomes decimated, will he ask to put national business on hold for 2 days while he tries to gather up a bipartisan commission on how to pay for plane tickets home and bailout money for the next wave of illegal aliens?

    Is this leadership?

  131. Naughtius Maximus said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:37 pm:
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    “My friends, I’ll deal with energy issues during my first two weeks in office. Then I’ll deal with the Iraq occupation from mid-February through the end of March. After that, I’ll start turning my attention towards budget matters. Start of summer will be “Annesty June”.

    And after I’ll deal with issues on a rotating basis, each issue for three days at a time.”

  132. Emma said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:04 pm:
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    Obama/Biden will be at University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg tomorrow. The Secret Service and the Obama campaign are in charge of this state-owned campus tomorrow. The students were sent an email detailing the street, Campus Walk and parking-lot closures (a major hardship, if you are familiar with the campus) and also the following interesting directive:

    “All windows facing Ball Circle must be closed and blinds/shades drawn by 2:00 p.m.”

    According to the email, “the logistics of this event are under the jurisdiction of the Secret Service and Obama campaign.” Great. A publicly-funded university, and the campaign is in charge.

    I hope there are some creative students who will use their shades/blinds to exercise their free-speech rights. Hopefully, they won’t need to eat or use the library tomorrow afternoon.

  133. Karla H said on 29 Sep 2008 at 9:55 pm:
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    This is where the rubber hits the road. I continually receive charges of racism when I say illegal aliens must go. I’m white. I’m also against granting amnesty to white people. If I’m a racist, then at least I’m against all races equally.

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