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Eastern Loudoun A Tinderbox

By Greg L | 25 September 2008 | Loudoun County, Illegal Aliens | 48 Comments

Here’s what happens when elected officials ignore citizen demands that the law is enforced:

Eastern Loudoun County is a tinderbox. Residents are on edge about the criminals in our midst and about our government agencies not doing their job. The citizens are paying close attention to the government and they are expecting more enforcement of our laws and regulations, quickly.

The next gathering of this sort may require more crowd control if things don’t improve here.

There is a small, but noisy contingent of Prince William County residents that decry the adoption of the Rule of Law Resolution and the crackdown on illegal aliens, but what is happening here is far preferable to talk of people arming themselves to take personal action against criminal gangs because they see law enforcement as ineffective, or unwilling to enforce the law.  When government fails the citizens, the result is often rather ugly and problematic.

Let’s hope the Loudoun County Sherrif’s Department and the Board of Supervisors acts quickly to restore public trust.

By the huge turnout tonight - on short notice - relative to any other community meeting held in Sterling the past four years, it is clear the silent majority is becoming much louder. If there continue to be “incidents” here, the undercurrent will not remain beneath the surface. Tonight we saw frustration, even talk by two audience members of arming themselves and taking action against local gangs. We also saw quite a lot of extreme criticism of the Sheriff’s Office and the Board of Supervisors.

Not good.   Ignoring this problem clearly is not working.

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  1. Wolverine said on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:57 am:
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    One more drive-by shooting, attempted rape, knifing in the street, or killing in our principal shopping center and you in PWC may hear the screams and war cries from Eastern Loudoun all the way in Manassas. I attended that 23 September “Emergency Meeting” with the Sheriff and Board of Supervisors in Sterling Park. I have not seen or heard such anger, simmering or vocal, since I was caught in the middle of a coup d’etat in Africa. The Sheriff was actually forced at one point to leave the podium temporarily because of verbal outcries from the audience, and a honcho from his Gang Unit had to step in and clarify some points at issue. Not that the Sheriff is really to blame for this mess. He apparently has been screwed as much by successive Boards of Supervisors and the County Administration as the citizens of Eastern Loudoun have. We are watching our once peaceful and prosperous town crumble before our eyes under an illegal alien assault, and the war drums are beginning to sound. Can you believe that, at a time when citizens and legal immigrants are expressing fear for their lives and the lives of their families, the county government has been slashing the public safety budget? Even a two-bit African potentate wouldn’t be that stupid! By the way, you may be pleased to know that those angry Loudoun citizens frequently cited the path of PWC as something for Loudoun to imitate.

  2. concrete4 said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:21 am:
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    Wolverine said on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:57 am:
    By the way, you may be pleased to know that those angry Loudoun citizens frequently cited the path of PWC as something for Loudoun to imitate.

    That’s exactly what needs to happen! It’s time to rally the troops and get them involved and active. This is unbelievable. I bet if some illegals had expressed fear for their lives - something would have been implemented ASAP to protect them…..what a shame.
    Time to stand up and fight, Loudoun County!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. manassascityresident said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:22 am:
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    AMEN to that!

  4. Dave in PWC said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:24 am:
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    Did all of the citizens get three minutes to speak? That would be over 1500 minutes if so. That would rival what our citizens and non citizens did over the “rule of law” issue last year. Hope that your county can take some of what our county has done and make it a better place for you to live in.

  5. Johnson said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:32 am:
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    To the legal citizens of Loudoun County-

    Good for you! When dead MS-13 gang members start appearing on the streets, perhaps your county leaders will start paying attention. Mara Salvatrucha sure will. They will run away, as cowards do when confronted by righteous and swift self defense. Thugs and hoodlums depend on us to accept their violence without recourse. That is how they control us. Remember MS’s motto, “Kill, Rape, Control”. You control your community, NOT THEM. The illegals will leave as well, seeing that you will no longer endure their trashy, drunken behavior.

    Remember, too, that the Sheriff is not obligated by law to protect you as individual citizens. He doesn’t have the resources.

    Inundate your supervisors with your demands. You elected them. They represent you and must protect your communities. Ultimately, the “silent majority” will prevail, once they become more vocal, in words and deeds.

  6. freedom said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:07 am:
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    Our federal government has not acted to secure our border and it doesn’t appear that they will anytime soon. Thus, we in PWC have been left with the option of either “doing nothing” or, to the maximum extent possible, making this an undesireable place for aliens who are here illegally.

    PWC is not the ONLY only locality where illegal aliens have placed hardship upon the citizens but PWC has taken a lead role, nationwide, in discouraging illegal residents. If other jurisdictions in Virginia and throughout the nation were to take similar actions, it would place increasing pressure upon the state and federal governments to protect us as well.

    The PWC web page http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040050002380002294 gives an excellent description of the actions PWC has taken in this area. I have forwarded this link to all my friends outside PWC and encouraged them to put pressure upon their local officials.

  7. BattleCat said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:48 am:
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    Loudoun County,

    Stand up for yourself! We in PWC believe in you!

  8. Mando said on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:36 am:
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    I’d imagine that Loudon is seeing a spike due to the PWC crackdown. Hopefully, IF Loudon decides to adopt similar measures, the illegal aliens in Loudon take the path of least resitance and migrate to Fairfax, MD, DC, or some other sanctuary city and not try to plant roots once again in PWC thinking apathy has set in.

  9. Advocator said on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:55 am:
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    This is what the exploiters of the illegal invaders fear the most. Average citizens taking back their neighborhoods, their communities, their counties, and their states. One by one. One way or another.

  10. Groveton said on 26 Sep 2008 at 11:41 am:
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    How does this happen? I can understand how an entire country can fail to see a problem that is only affecting certain places in the country. So, people in the US who don’t face serious problems from illegal immigration in their neighborhoods don’t understand people from places who do face these problems. I can almost understand this same “dual view” situation in a state. I guess there are very few illegal aliens in SW Virginia so, maybe, there is only a limited sense of the problem from people there. But Loudoun is a county - not a state and not a country. How does a county BoS fail to see a long building fiasco in their own county? Does the Loudoun BoS just not care about Sterling? Is it seen as “acceptable collateral damage”? Is the Loudoun BoS just plain incompetent? Do Loudoun residents (and supervisors) outside of Sterling just not care what happens in Sterling? What’s going on? How does this happen?

  11. Johnson said on 26 Sep 2008 at 11:55 am:
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    Greed and power. It’s as simple as that.

  12. Johnson said on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:19 pm:
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    The resolutions work.

  13. Wineplz said on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:34 pm:
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    Keep fighting, Loudoun County!

  14. Advocator said on 26 Sep 2008 at 2:00 pm:
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    Think about it, Groveton. You’ve got Western Loudoun where developers and home builders live. Who do you think they’ve been hiring for the past 20+ years? Our college kids? Nope. Teenage unemployment is higher than it was in the Great Depression. They hire ILLEGALS. Who do think contributes the most to the BOCS’ campaign coffers? Right again, the developers and home builders. Now you can see how an entire county allows itself to be hijacked by illegal invaders and their traitorious abettors. Only a coalition of ordinary citizens, ready and willing to withstand the slings and arrows of the slave masters and their lackeys, can turn it around.

  15. Anonymous said on 26 Sep 2008 at 2:05 pm:
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    So what about when all this was happening before the illegals got here. Seems you are just substituting one criminal element for another

  16. Groveton said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:31 pm:
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    Johnson & Advocator -

    I believe you. The cause of every fiasco seems to be found only after you follow the money. And you’ll get no argument from me over the self-absorbed polo players living west of Rt 15. But Loudoun is a democracy - no? And most of Loudoun’s residents live in east Loudoun - no? So, how does a minority of self-indulgent NIMBY/YUPPIES control a majority?

    For the record, I always find it sad that many of the West Loudoun crowd decry “suburban sprawl” when these same people made all their money overdeveloping Fairfax, East Loudoun and Prince William. Now, they want to be sure that the kind of development they foisted upon others never crosses Rt 15 and threatens them. Because if it ever did there could be …. oh, yuck … illegal immigrants. But I still gotta know - how does a minority control a majority in a democracy?

  17. The Real King said on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    Now that you are a member of the HS task force Advocator, you can work to fight against the invaders.

  18. Johnson said on 26 Sep 2008 at 4:18 pm:
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    The minority control the majority with the money.

  19. alleycat said on 26 Sep 2008 at 5:16 pm:
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    “There is a small, but noisy contingent of Prince William County residents that decry the adoption of the Rule of Law Resolution and the crackdown on illegal aliens…”

    Got that right! There are about 4-5 of them - flappin’ their lips with the same ole story….sitting in their basements, typing on their computers, spewing venom, making their husbands miserable (doubt they could find husbands), ignoring their kids, eating their twinkies … well, you get the picture.

    wheeeeewwwwwwwwwwww - thank God they are the MINORITY!!!!!

  20. Va. Native said on 26 Sep 2008 at 6:16 pm:
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    Someone plesae remind me why I’m moving back to the area??

  21. con said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:09 pm:
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    Come to Prince William County! You’ll get a great deal on a house, and we have the Rule of Law Resolution! You can’t beat that!

  22. concrete4 said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:11 pm:
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    sorry, the above post was from me.

  23. Linda B said on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:14 pm:
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    Groveton asked: “But Loudoun is a democracy - no? And most of Loudoun’s residents live in east Loudoun - no? So, how does a minority of self-indulgent NIMBY/YUPPIES control a majority?”

    Sterling elected Delgaudio, who is on the side of the legal citizens. But he’s just one guy on a board of nine. Most of the other jurisdictions within Loudoun could care less about the issue, and their choice in supervisors shows it.

  24. CONVA said on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:02 pm:
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    Round ‘em up and deposit them in the BOS homes.

  25. Johnson said on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:05 pm:
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    Come on down to York County, in the Hampton Roads area. Low cost of living, very little crime, good schools, less traffic and VERY few illegals!

  26. Just Watching said on 26 Sep 2008 at 11:49 pm:
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    According to media vote 82% McCain, 16% Obama, 1 % were like Obama voting and could not decide! Obama was visibly ruffled and his face told it all, he interrupted several times, where did he go to school? I - I agree with John 8x… I don’t think he gets it!
    When Palin hands Biden his rear on a platter it should just about do it.

  27. Wolverine said on 27 Sep 2008 at 12:50 am:
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    Have owned a home in Sterling Park for 30 years. Never had to think very much about crime. Sent my kids to a great high school, Park View, with excellent academics and great sports teams. Never worried when my teenagers went out at night. A part white collar and part blue collar town with great community spirit and a small town atmosphere. Hardly ever gave a passing thought to the cops unless you got pulled over for a traffic violation. Biggest problem was having to go to Tysons Corner for major shopping expeditions.

    Imagine it now. Many people are afraid to go to our local shopping center at night because of loitering youths and two killings, one with bullets being sprayed all over in front of the Safeway. Some women refuse to go to the grocery store without their husbands. Good citizens talk about hearing the shots and smelling the gunpowder. Some areas now have Neighborhood Watch patrols and Community Policing officers assigned to trouble “hot spots”. Other citizens are talking about the open carry of weapons. Widowed senior citizens cringing in fear at every unexplained exterior noise and pleading with Neighborhood Watch to “please watch out for me.” Female citizens of all ages now acquiring large dogs. Many parents not allowing their teenagers to go anywhere at night. A high school that once had absolutely minimal cause for concern about the safety of students and faculty now has on the premises an armed police officer, a truant officer, a parole officer, a school security guard , and disciplinary vice-principals who practically have to have students take a number and wait in line. Our high school kids refer to police sirens as the “Sterling Park Theme Song.” Go to the local McDonalds for a burger and you could meet personally the armed Sheriff’s Office Gang Unit on their meal break. And at that 23 September 2008 emergency meeting, the county sheriff stated flatly that we have to get on top of our gang problem now or we could be in danger of losing our community. Isn’t multi-cultural diversity just so damned wonderful? Just what the hell country am I living in?!!!

    Where did it all come from? Not too many years ago, after conducting some personal business in Herndon and noting the increasingly sad state of affairs in the Elden Street and Alabama Avenue areas, we scooted back across the county line with a sigh of relief that we didn’t have THAT stuff in Sterling Park. Man, we were blind and stupid back then. But what we never counted on was a certain group of greedy bloodsuckers, otherwise known as American business owners, who would hire anybody as long as the price was cheap enough to guarantee a fat profit, the honest citizens and legal immigrants and the whole country, for that matter, be damned. Nor did we ever imagine that we would be betrayed by virtually every level of our own government. So now the rest of us have been left to contend with a lousy and often dangerous mess.

    And, would you believe that there are still some who caution us not to say bad things about the Park lest we discourage businesses and prospective residents from moving here? They must be kidding. I’ll think about that after I finish double-locking my doors, turning on the alarm system, flipping on the front and rear security lights, and trying to figure out when I can schedule riding shotgun for my wife when she needs to go to the grocery store.

  28. Anonymous said on 27 Sep 2008 at 12:55 am:
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    “There is a small, but noisy contingent of Prince William County residents that decry the adoption of the Rule of Law Resolution and the crackdown on illegal aliens…”

    This may be true, but in that small contingent sits our police chief and some county board members.

  29. Anonymous said on 27 Sep 2008 at 7:55 am:
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    This goes way beyond illegals, but they are a easy target for the weak minded.

  30. Johnson said on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:10 am:
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    Name-calling? Go back to the Anti site and grow up.

  31. Emma said on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:12 am:
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    Anonymous, i.e. kgotthardt, are you lost?

  32. Naughtius Maximus said on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:56 am:
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    Wolverine - I feel you. Good luck over there.

  33. Indigenous_Elvis said on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:57 am:
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    KG is mentally ill, she’s nothing to pay mind too. In fact the others on that site: Moon-howler, KG, Elena and Alanna should all be locked up. Liberalism is a disease and they are injecting their deadly poison into this county by supporting the illegal immigrants.

    One of these days I’m going to out myself at a BOCS meeting by standing up and speaking and they will be extremely surprised by who I really am, very very surprised in fact!

  34. Indigenous_Elvis said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:00 am:
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    keep safe over there, start packing for sure. Whenever I head to anywhere up in that area I make sure I’m strapping a side-arm on (and the wife does as well) it’s a pretty rough area these days and I’m sorry that others had to feel the fall-out of our resolution, it was pretty obvious the scum in our area (like the cockroaches they are) would migrate to other counties when the resolution hit. Just like spraying roach spray in one part of the kitchen, they’ll just move to another. They should have enacted their own resolution at the same time in concert with PWC and this issue would not have occured.

  35. Anonymous said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:24 am:
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    let me guess
    your Batman!

    Do you really think anyone cares who you are?

    “Liberalism is a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.”

    Liberty…you know freedom

    What a crazy idea and it has to stop!

  36. Indigenous_Elvis said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:35 am:
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    anon at 9:24,

    oh ho ho!! I’m rolling now, thanks for the saturday morning laugh! you use freedom to crap your crazy ideals on others. liberalism is a disease, why dont you just go throw some tie die’s on and start climing a tree, hopefully you’ll stay up there for a long while so we dont have to put up with your garbage.

    see you at the next BOCS meeting, I’ve been to everyone that you all have been to so there’s a little clue. you all over on that board are scum in the worst way, supporting illegals should be a crime and you should all be locked up as criminals. you pieces of garbage should be ashamed of yourself, i’m sure your children are probably ashamed of you too.

  37. Johnson said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:35 am:
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  38. Emma said on 27 Sep 2008 at 9:39 am:
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    Gotthard, you have absolutely no credibility with your childish rants.

    I second the “ignore”

  39. Groveton said on 27 Sep 2008 at 10:27 am:
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    Yeah, Sterlings seems pretty tough. People used to schedule laser tag parties for their kids at a place in Sterling. It seemed like good fun. The kids loved it. But now fewer and fewer parties are scheduled there. I’ve been told that the parents don’t feel like it’s all that safe anymore. I don’t know for sure but I guess some of what’s been posted on this thread helps to explain that.

    Towns used to be able to incorproate in Virginia. Vienna did. Maybe Sterling and Sterling Park need to incorporate, fund their own police force and start cracking down.

  40. Indigenous_Elvis said on 27 Sep 2008 at 1:57 pm:
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    the funny thing is over on that board they continually use the word “polarize” (big words for small minded people) the funny thing is that it’s true…we do have a polarized community and guess what? it’s the illegals fault. first they are illegal, they refuse assimilation, they crap all over our country and when they are done they leave a wake of destruction in their paths (ala’ ms-13 and others). Everyone should have government issued identification, everyone should be made to carry it. if you dont have it, you get locked up. Everyone should be PROUD to show a u.s. birth certificate upon request! EVERYONE should be prepared and PROUD.

    strict enforcement of immigration laws, fast and concise raids, locking up everyone taken in the raid (including the employer) and use of the e-verify program will show the illegals we mean business. Another thought is forming camps (tent cities) where these illegals are held until they are deported, have a minimum of 15 days where these illegals are held, turn them over fast and make room for the next wave.

    another thought would be to tag them, like animals or dogs and if they come back we’ll know they’ve been deported before (microchip). If they are deported I’m sure they are fingerprinted and such that they are entered into the system, why not microchip them too?

    I’m sorry, when you break the law and show no respect for it and you are not a citizen of this country you should not be allowed to take advantage of the perks of citizenship

    and after all that is done, microchip the fatties on the other site like the cows they are, throw a tag on their ears too and maybe top it off with a nice pink cowbell.


  41. Ducky said on 27 Sep 2008 at 2:02 pm:
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    Judging from the article, sounds as if Loudon county residents are angry and are about to beat up the local sherrif and the members of the Board of Supervisors. I don’t think that that would be a good idea.

  42. Wolverine said on 27 Sep 2008 at 3:02 pm:
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    Funny that Anonymous should toss the word “freedom” into this discussion. Does he/she not understand that “freedom” is just what the honest citizens and legal immigrants of my community are losing? Is it “freedom” for elderly widows to have to hunker down in their homes out of fear for their personal safety? Is it “freedom” for our kids to be forbidden to go out at night because their parents fear for their safety? Is it “freedom” to have to consider whether or not to carry a weapon just to go about your daily chores in your own community? Is it “freedom” to have to keep looking over your shoulder every time you go out at night? Is it “freedom” for our single women to feel obliged to express their gratitude to Neighborhood Watch because that watch makes them feel so much safer just walking from their cars to their homes when they come home after dark?

    Anon, somewhere in the deep recesses of your mind you have misplaced the entire concept of “freedom.” Just remember this: if you ever happen to be passing by a street corner where a gangbanger has decided to carry out a drive-by shooting, his bullets will not be able to distinguish between you and his target. Stop walking around in a dream state. If you live in my town, you are in the same danger zone as everyone else. The color of your skin; your ethnic origins; your immigration status; and your socio-political opinions mean nothing in the field of fire. And, if you are female, imagine being a 70-year-old widow living alone. A young, strong male breaks down your patio door; beats you; slices you with a knife; screams out that he will cut you to bits; and prepares to sexually violate your person. Try talking about “freedom” then, Anon.

  43. Johnson said on 27 Sep 2008 at 3:51 pm:
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    Yay! Maybe the new owners will take down the “no guns” sign.

  44. Anonymous said on 27 Sep 2008 at 4:00 pm:
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    Really why do you hate these people so much what did they do you?

    The Feds let them in
    The IRS made it possible to hire them.

    Why do you care

    And please try and be a little more colorful with the insults

  45. Indigenous_Elvis said on 27 Sep 2008 at 4:10 pm:
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    I care because they advocate criminal aliens in our midst and they dont care what they do as long as they are allowed in.

    as a victim of illegal alien crime and an advocate for others that have had similar experiences I believe those that further the goals of the illegal are just as illegal as they are. In fact they are actually worse!

    I care, I care alot for the community and those around me. I care that people are attacked and mauled by illegal aliens on a daily basis and there is no one sticking up for those victims. I care because this crap wouldnt happen but for the illegals aliens coming here unchecked. I care because they are caught and then released, leaving it to the average citizen to stand up for themselves.

    so what if it’s the governments fault? it can be rectified by enforcing current laws. our county is trying to make up for the feds lack of action.

    anon (or KG/Moonhowler/elena/alanna) you are garbage, filth if you will and you DONT CARE, as long as you have your brown, indentured servants you are fine with whatever they cause on the “outside” of your pitiful little world.


  46. monticup said on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:00 pm:
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    All I know is that Leesburg is infested with illegal aliens loitering around during the day. I thought they were supposed to be working at jobs Americans won’t do. How many tacoterias and pupusarias do you need? There’s one everywhere you look.

    I was talking to a Baltimore cop who told me Baltimore is overrun with MS-13. The cops are afraid of them and leave them alone because the thugs get their badge numbers and threaten their families. There’s hope for VA but MD is too far gone.

  47. Love The USA said on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:40 pm:
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    “I was talking to a Baltimore cop who told me Baltimore is overrun with MS-13. The cops are afraid of them and leave them alone because the thugs get their badge numbers and threaten their families. There’s hope for VA but MD is too far gone.’

    This is what is going to be the downfall of our country. There is a new documentary out called “DRUG WARS” and it shows the police ignoring the drug trade in Mexico, because if you don’t, you end up dead. This has actually crossed over to the American side.

    If the illegal alien loving physcopath’s can’t see what is really happening they are truly a lost cause.

  48. A Reader said on 28 Sep 2008 at 4:24 pm:
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    You are an excellent writer. I hope you are writing letters to the editor of your local papers. We in PWC know exactly how you feel. I am sure many in Sterling Park want to get organized to deal with the horrible problems caused by politicians trying to buy votes and greedy businesses. I agree that if you have not lived in the situation yourself it is difficult to grasp the magnitude of the problem.

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