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Obama Wins
By Greg L | 4 November 2008 | National Politics | 253 Comments
With Pennsylvania and Ohio going for Obama, this race is over.
May God save the United States of America.
UPDATE: It appears that Obama also carries Prince William County by about 9%, which is a huge margin. McCain should have run at least a close race in Prince William, as a swing district in a swing state, but failed. This appears to be playing out in other swing counties. This may not be a case of these counties “turning blue”, but more indicative of the candidates themselves rather than voter affiliation.
Some notes:
McCain’s attempt to move to the center in order to garner independents seems to have failed. Independents or other constituencies that McCain tried to court as “a maverick” still ended up supporting Obama. Some of us would have warned about this long ago, but at least the adage of abandoning what some would consider inviolate principle in order to gain “moderates” is not the path to victory.
Part of McCain’s difficulties appeared to relate to the money advantage that Obama gained by opting out of public financing. It may be that the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform initiative, which McCain was ultimately locked into ended up being part of his undoing. Poetic justice for some, certainly.
Conservates should think long and hard about the role they want to play going forward. In order to set the stage for a longer-term victory, we conservatives must be supportive of Obama as president while we point out weaknesses in his policies while we oppose those policies, but not necessarily the man promoting them. The future must be a policy debate, not a personality debate, which clearly hasn’t been as successful with the electorate as many of us would have expected. In years past, the Rezko/Ayers types of associations, which are personal issues, would have gained traction. To win in the long term, a different means of opposing radical socialists needs to be employed.
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I still love you guys.
And now there must be a reckoning within the Republican Party. A cleansing, so to speak. We need new leadership, we need conservative values. Newt Gingrich, anyone?
Or maybe Michael Steele?
either one would be fine with me - I’m a fan of both
I’m with Greg…..May God have mercy on us all! It will be interesting to
watch The Black Messiah blame the Bush administration each and every
time he screws up. What a crock, to have someone elected to the
highest office in the land…based solely on the color of his skin! This
is the beginning of the end, I’m afraid.
I hope that you all listen to the wise words of John McCain in his concession speech
Billy Bob you are a racist pig. If this is the beginning of the end then I suggest you get the hell out now.
NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, & The liberal print media got their candidate elected. In the end they will be the losers.
Why do you all have to blame it on the media or the color of the man’s skin? Just look a the state of our nation after 8 years of a Republican in the White House. Look at McCain’s campaign, it was a joke. He flip-floped more than a fish out of water. His pick of Palin was a disaster. Obama raised a ton of money and ran a great campaign.
You all need to pick up the pieces and get ready to run again in four years rathar than try to place blame and cry. The Republican party needs to be strong to help keep our country great. One party in charge with no opposition is a disaster waiting to happen. Get to work.
A Landslide.
One more step towards the end of white supremacy in America.
Thank you BVBL people. You inspired us Latinos to go out and campaign for Obama.
Greg,
And may God guide you to a more Christ-like existence on this earth, and bring peace to your soul. Search not in the political realm for a meaningful role in this world and for your life. Search the Bible and the example of Jesus, which you, as few other men, have so undermined.
The antichrist will wrap himself in the robes of Christ. You have surely done so.
If you really are a follower of Jesus, as you so enthusiastically and constantly advertise yourself, you will take your leave of the political realm. Become a missionary. Join Habitat for Humanity. Adopt some children. Make somebody happy.
For once, do some good.
This marks the beginning of the end of the Republican Party. And it marks the END of the beginning of the end of the great American Empire. The United States of America will once again achieve it’s prominence, no thanks to the racial hatred expressed on this site. As a product whose ancestors were illegal Irish immigrants who snuck into Minnesota way back in the 19th Century, I resented the views of so many of you in this County, who refused to see that these people simply want a better way of life for themselves and their children, just as my great great grandfather wanted. Guess what? You got smoked in Prince William County. And in the words of many of you…if you don’t like it, leave it! Am I gloating? You’re damn straight I am!
This election will mark an important change in our history in which American made the right choice. Many of you have tried your best to bring down our great country by electing an incompetent President to two terms and attempting to elect another, but as you all can tell at least 52% of this great country sees things a different way. I am absolutely overjoyed that the great White Empire has been brought down forever. I am so thrilled that the millions of us who wanted change, got off of our asses and canvassed, called, sent out fliers to create this change, and I’m so thankful that most of the readers here continued to sit on their asses, bitch and bring in their $250,000+/year. And I am sincerely looking forward to redistributing your wages to those who are disadvantaged.
And thankfully, as heartbroken as I’m sure you all are, this will be my last post on this hateful, racist blog.
Rednecks take it on the chin as Northern Virginia makes the rest of VA blue. Keep trying to get back to ‘conservative’ values instead of playing to the center and see where that gets you in future elections.
Greg, listen up! The antichrist is speaking to you — through YJLY!!
My words were provocative, I acknowledge.
But can anyone really doubt that Greg has done more to divide this community than any single individual since the Civil War?
Has any single individual brought more negative publicity to us? Has anyone chased more tourists away? Has anyone else placed the name of our town on the front pages of newspapers around the world with more negative associations and with more negative consequences?
Has anyone invited the kind attention to Manassas of groups like the KKK, the American Nazi Party and the Westboro Baptist Church (of “God Hates America” fame)?
A dark and terrible period in our little town is coming to a close. like Joseph McCarthy, Greg Letiecq and his allies occupy a special place of shame in our history. Yet, their extreme examples have been necessary for our evolution.
Nonetheless, there are those among us who still believe the gospel of Greg. They can be brought back into the warm embrace of true Christians, and in the fullness of time will be welcomed back into the broader community as have others who have fallen, yet who have ultimately found reformation.
We can and must forgive them in the spirit of Christ.
Wolverine,
Do you understand that in pointing Greg to the Bible, you suggest that I am the antichrist?
Who are you, one might ask? How is the Bible a guide for the antichrist, as opposed to a guide for Christians?
Just because the god you imagine hates the same people you imagine, doesn’t make you a follower of God, or of Jesus Chrst.
Your words prove your folly as one of Greg’s prophets.
What would Jesus do? What would Jesus think? What would Jesus say? How would Jesus feel?
Jesus doesn’t give you an excuse to be mad at the World and to hate your neighbors.
i think Jesus would move to canada, which is probably more conservative now than the U.S. will be in a few months.
The Democrats have a smarter candidate with stronger arguments as you try to protect 8 years of failed policies with a party that went lock step with Bush like the story of “The Emperors New Clothes”…maybe no one will really notice.
Uh oh! what happened to your portfolio? It tanked. Now you can all shake each others hands and feel good to be Conservative Republicans!
Wow, the squirrel-bait just pops right out once emboldened a little!
There you go. It’s people like Bob above that elected Obama. What a bunch of lemmings. Most people that run medium size companies are older and more mature than Obama. We just turned the country over to a rookie!
So instead of celebrating your victory, Rush, YJLY and others, you come here to gloat and insult. Calling people “rednecks” is “playing to the center,” Jay? Keep going, you’re just showing the world what we’ve known about the far left all along.
Re - May God save the United States of America.
I think he just did. He’ll probably work on Prince William County next.
Ideas espoused here got a spankin’,
Conservative dogma is tankin’,
Most people have said, Blue is better than Red,
and they’re still 50-50 on Franken!
Apparently we have elected a komrad raised by white trash, mentored by kommunists, into cocaine, and supported by kopkillers. In the words of billayers, “what a country”. This was a great country, spiriling down for several decades of “enlightened intelligentia”, coincidentally about the same time that we decided it was a good idea to kill innocent babies in utero, by the millions. Amerika’s chickens sure have come home to roost. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. God rest America. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79467
“May God save the United States of America”
We just survived a reckless cowboy who has failed at everything he attempted in life, engaged us in war under phony circumstances, nd worked with Congress to undermine our whole financial system. I think we’ll be okay.
“we conservatives must be supportive of Obama as president while we point out weaknesses in his policies while we oppose those policies, but not necessarily the man promoting them. The future must be a policy debate, not a personality debate, which clearly hasn’t been as successful with the electorate as many of us would have expected. ”
Good advice. I think Demographic shifts are rewarding the old negativity less.
The presidential campaigns didn’t seem to be any more negative than those we’ve seen in the past, but in this case the legitimate associations between candidates and some pretty unusual folks that would have been a big deal in the past were far less effective. The discussions of Jerimiah Wright, Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko weren’t as significant to voters as one would expect, and they are legitimate discussions that are informative of character, competency and belief. Perhaps the media has too much influence here, but I would suspect that a quality campaign could overcome that and McCain just plain got beat by folks who were better campaigners.
It’s not like McCain had a lot of campaign energy up until Palin got on board. Maybe he and Gilmore went to the same candidate school.
Nice to see how magnanimous the Dems are in victory today. I can see I’m going to be awfully busy in the coming years as the libs move forward armed with all the sanctimony and retribution they can muster. Let’s hope this little spectacle is short-lived, rather than a sign of things to come.
I love the wing nuts on the left. This was more a statement to oust Bush than it was to embrace socialism. Once people realize they will not be able to get their vanity surgery, will not be able to make choices on their 401K account, will in fact pay more taxes even though they do not make more than 250K a year, and once we are attacked by terrorists and Obama embraces the terrorists, the wing nuts on the left will be on their own again as the center decides it has buyer’s remorse.
I have to say that Obama won regardless of what I thought of him and his cronies and ideas. He is our president elect and I will support him as I had to support slick Willy and Carter before him.
We have to give him a chance and see what he’s made of because ultimately he is responsible for our National Security and that’s my top concern along with securing the borders, which seven years after 9/11 still are not secure.
Maybe new blood will make this happen. He has two years to get things done before the American people will judge him and either allow him to keep his party on top of both houses or allow the Republicans back on top of one or both houses of congress.
If the next congress is more of the same do nothing congress in two years we’ll see how that turns out.
McCain lost not because he was “out campaigned” but because he was simply the worse candidate. He’s obviously senile, he’s suffering from PTSD, he offers nothing more than a continuation of the complete failure that has been the Bush regime. And his running mate was a bimbo who was unable to answer the simplest question posed her. Palin is going to rapidly fade into well-deserved obscurity and will never be heard from again. She’s not smart enough to play with the big boys. One of the saddest moments of the campaign was watching her stamp her little feet and huff and puff about “socialism” and “spreading the wealth.” This from a governor of a state that appropriates oodles of tax money from the oil companies and spreads it around to its citizens, dropping a fat check on each.
The incompetence, lack of morals and ethics, the theocratic nuttiness, the hate and fear of education and science, the racism, the fearmongering–these are the things at brought down McCain. America has spoken. Politics is like driving: ‘R’ to go backwards, ‘D’ to go forwards. The regressive ideas of the Republicans have been roundly rejected and rightly so. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Lake Ridge said on 5 Nov 2008 at 2:02 am: Flag comment
“And thankfully, as heartbroken as I’m sure you all are, this will be my last post on this hateful, racist blog.”
I’m sorry, but who are you?
Tariq Nelson said on 5 Nov 2008 at 12:31 am: Flag comment
“I hope that you all listen to the wise words of John McCain in his concession speech.”
John McCain no longer speaks for the party, as of his concession speech last night. While the Dems had a candidate who embodied their radical ideals and the failed policies of the past, Republicans had to hold their nose and vote for a moderate candidate that did not hold to the conservative principals that have been the center of this party, and also represent it’s future.
The future will be bright for Republicans, if the GOP cleans house and returns to the bread and butter issues that galvanize our party. We also need to stop taking advice from Democrats and closet liberals in our own party that want to move us to the left.
I say God bless Obama, because he will need the support and help of the Lord to successfully lead this country. He is inexperienced, and does not know what he is in for. They are celebrating his election in Russia and the Middle East today, because they know they can use his weakness to their advantage.
Dave in PWC -
Thank you for your thoughtful comment!
legal2 -
Obama will be our president for four years, no matter how much you dislike him.
I get the feeling that most folks that voted for BHO didn’t have a clue or did not take the time to educate themselves on what they were actually voting for. It seems to me that if they took the time to consider all the issues, then they would have made a better decision. Again, like most elections, many people voted for the handsome rock star with tons of cash and not a real leader. People that blindly vote for a candidate are nit-wits. We shall see if we truly become the USSA. I hope not.
Give the guy a chance. He beat crusty ol’ gramps fair and square (unless you allege mischief). I supported McCain and voted for him even though he really screwed the pooch when he latched onto Sarah Palin.
Perhaps the Republican party (which has left me) will return to it’s roots of smaller and less meddelsome government as a result of this drubbing.
All you social conservatives can lick my nvtsack.
You want God to save us Greg? You did everything you could to cut the legs out from under McCain and now you want God’s help? What utter hypocracy! Hope you enjoy obomanation’s amnesty bill (which will FLY through congress) and the resulting waves of illegal aliens who will then flock to this country. It’s all over folks. You’ll never see another conservative president in your lifetime. If you are unfortunate enough to be white, you better get used to being a permanent minority and a second class citizen. Thanks for everything greg.
Tariq - go F yourself moron!
and one wonders why they say that many racist folks hang out around here.
I just laugh at your own ignorance.
SteveS (12:35 post) You call me a racist pig??? Because I spoke the
truth?
YJLY (3:26 post….my, my, at this early hour you must have been truly
celebrating ) You are completely wrong about Greg….he HAS done more
in his efforts to clean up the filth in our county and rid us of the invaders
who have taken great strides to turn parts of this county into third world
landscape than any of our elected officials have done. Thanks partly to
Greg, some of the invaders are leaving, which will do wonders for improving
the budget, the classrooms and hospital ER. Unfortunately, those of us
who care about home values and our environment are left with abandoned
homes and overflowing garbage, rats and tall grass to contend with.
Many, many people in PW County are thankful to Greg and his efforts!
Muttley, You are so right on in your above comment. I asked a black
woman wearing an Obama t-shirt if she thought he had made the right
choice when he picked Palin to be his running mate. She rolled her eyes
and replied: “Ohhhhhh yes, indeed! He know what he doing”.
I rest my case.
Lake Ridge (2:02 am) Spoken like a true communist!!
Ah, the sweet sound of Obama spankin’ all your little right-wing bottoms in PWC is music to my ears.
BleedBlue: as one comment left for you yesterday said,
“The near term and term babies your candidate thinks are okay to kill will bleed Obama Red, shame on you.”
Tool – Thankfully, an Obama Presidency will likely result in the failure any challenges to Roe v. Wade. It is a happy day indeed!
Obama Blue,
Understand, now you liberals own all the problems. You will have about six months left of blaming everything on GW. The people will want to see progress out of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. You libs had better be flawless.
I bled,
Well, leave it to the left to celebrate more babies being killed.
Can you please provide us with an example of where socialism has worked?
Can you please provide us the reason why Europe has drawn more investment and has had a more stable economy under their socialism than we have had under our system of Capitalism?
Recall the last time we had a crack pot of a liberal for President, Jimmy Carter and he provided us with Ronald Reagan and 12 years of GOP rule.
Don’t get too excited just yet…..
Or what, Maxi? You right-wingers are going to start to whine and complain?
I have every faith in President Obama’s ability to work with his colleagues in Congress to get our country moving forward again.
@ Mighty Putty
I think that your sentiments are as good as one can expect from a person that did not support Obama. He is our President-Elect
One thing is clear. Northern Virginia is a SOLIDLY a blue area. We delivered the state. But we all need to live together
BleedBlue, one day you and others complicit in the slaughter of millions of children, will face them and your Maker.
“Or what, Maxi? You right-wingers are going to start to whine and complain?”
Obama, Reid and Pelosi have set expectations so high, they will have to execute flawlessly to meet them. That is what I am saying. You no longer have anyone to blame for failure. Might I remind you, you libs have controlled the congress for 2 years, and have made no progress. However, you libs had a Republican President to demonize and blame for every woe. Now you don’t have that. So, when Obama can’t roll out all of that promised social spending, without taxing the true middle-class, who you gonna blame? When Obama’s economic plan fails to jump-start the economy, whatch’a gonna do? Can’t blame the GOP. When every little tin-pot dictator is testing the United States, you can’t hang that one on Bush. When Obama, Pelosi and Reid can’t get energy costs down as they promised, can’t blame the “oilman in the White House”. When the massive taxes that will be levied on “big Oil” are simply passed on to the consumer, who you going to blame then? “Big Oil”? Sorry, didn’t recall seeing Exxon on the ballot. Can’t toss them out of office.
We won’t have to “whine and complain”. That’s what you libs have done for the past eight years. Guess what? Now you have the ball. Better not fumble.
Tool - I am an Atheist. Go pedal your fear and guilt to someone who buys into your “creator reckoning” schtick.
Maxi, you say; “You no longer have anyone to blame for failure.”
Well, that’s not exactly true, Maxi. If the Republicans left in Congress take an obstructionist stance to the majority’s initiatives, then there will be plenty of balme to go around.
Might I remind you that a Republican President has been a significant drag on this Congress, in addition to relatively small majorities, particularly in the Senate.
You make an awful lot of pessimistic assumption with regard to the power party’s ability to move forward. We will just have to wait & see what happens.
Don’t worry, they won’t fumble.
“Americans can now get their information from
entirely partisan sources. They can live, if they choose to,
in an ideolological world of their own creation, viewing
anyone outside their world as an idiot or criminal, and
finding many who will cheer their intemperance.”
Micheal Gerson (WaPo op/ed 11-5-2008)
Hummm -
Turn blue,
You sure do not mind living in a Country that was founded on faith, is based on faith, etc. Must not be much of an atheist.
I bet it really chaps you that our money has the word God on it, and we celebrate the Birth of Christ. Well, here is an early wish for you to have a Merry Christmas.
I bleed -
You might try a little humility and class. When Bush won the last election, I didn’t call my friends (who are democrats and voted Kerry) and say “nanny nanny boo boo…..weeeeeee won”….
Really, your acting a little childish. Why is it exactly that you are over here? It’s obvious you can’t stand this blog …. you can’t stand republicans……you are only here to gloat. We get it - so what’s left for you to say?
Citi, my friend, I love my country and am proud to call it home. That, however, has nothing to do with faith or, in my case, the lack thereof.
The true beauty of this great land is that here you are free to believe whatever you want, while I am equally free to disbelieve the very same thing.
BTW, I rather enjoy Christmas carols, we exchange gifts in my family, and I even go to midnight services. Christmas is fun, but, for me, it just doesn’t have any meaning beyond that. I’m sure you’ll call me a hypocrite, and I really don’t care.
Blue,
Your last post proves my point. You blame Bush for the lack of progress. Do you think the low approval ratings in congress only apply to congressional Republicans? You are already trying to lower expectations, ie. “if we fail, it will be because of the GOP minority obstructing the will of the majority”.
Pessimistic? Realistic. No way you can meet those expectations.
MCR –
You claim; “When Bush won the last election, I didn’t call my friends (who are democrats and voted Kerry) and say ‘nanny nanny boo boo…..weeeeeee won’….”
Really? Why not? Your friends certainly should have expected it. In fact, I believe it was your civic duty to chide them in defeat. That is why I am here. What kind of American are you?!?!?!
CitizenofManassas–Saying this country was “founded on faith” really doesn’t mean anything. It was the first country in the world to be founded on the principle that one’s religious faith is a PRIVATE matter, that should not in anyway be overseen by the state. It was a country founded on the right to believe in as few or as many gods and one wishes.
Look at our laws and compare them to the Ten Commandments. Only three of the Commandments look anything like our laws (don’t kill and steal–we’ll give the lying one a free pass, even though the only place our law says anything about lying is under oath). The other seven commandments say the exact opposite of our laws (free speech allows you take god’s name in vain, the body of copyright law protects graven images, no enforced laws against adultery, an economy that practically depends on coveting to function, parents can have their children taken away by the state if the parents aren’t properly honoring them–not the other way round–you can have as many gods as you want, and you can work on Sundays). This country was founded by Deists and Atheists for the most part. These are folks with a very different religious outlook than what passes for the “faithful” now.
As for “god” on money; I’m pretty sure the Supreme Court decided (rightly so) that “in god we trust” has been completely devalued though over-use and now no longer has much of a religious connotation. The mention in the Pledge? Added in the mid-1900s by Congressional nitwits.
Religion has zip, zilch, nada, none, zero place in politics. Religion deals with the hereafter; politics with the here and now. Just look no further than the Taliban to see what happens when you mix the two. I’ll stick with government grounded in science, data, and logic, rather than contaminated with religious superstition, anecdote, and wishful thinking.
By the way, I love Christmas too. I don’t have any nativity scenes in my house–I celebrate the secular aspects: peace, love, giving, good tidings, friends, lights, good food, song. I won’t push my atheism on you, as long as you keep religion out of public life. It’s a private thing between you and whatever flavor of invisible sky wizard you worship.
BleedBlue, your mentality is typical of BamaBuddies. Time will tell.
Well, Maxi, you right-wingers certainly enjoy touting Congress’ low approval rating as though it’s the sole responsibility of the Democrats. The reality is; “If [the Democrats] fail, it [may] be because of the GOP minority [is] obstructing the will of the majority”. It’s not sacrosanct, but it’s a possibility.
Quite honestly, YOUR expectations differ greatly from those of the “average voter”.
Turn Blue,
There is hope for you after all, though, I don’t understand why you celebrate Christmas at all given that you do not believe in the reason why there is even a Christmas.
Though, I still am waiting for you to provide an example of where a socialistic system was or is sucessful.
While you may believe the election yesterday was an endorsement of the far left, you are wrong. President Bush is one of the most unpopular Presidents we have had, the economy is in the tank, the Dems raised more money, had the media in their back pocket, and yet with all of that, Obama only won by 5% points or about two percentage points more than Bush won in 04.
Just keep taking the R Party further to the right, it will be great for electing Ds. Jeff Frederick and the rest of the extremists believe/think that VA is an extreme right wing close to fascist state, VA is a conservative state closer to the middle(moderate) than the extreme that Frederick spouts. Please keep Frederick in the job as Chair of the Rs, he will continue to lead to a path of irrelevance. Note that under Frederick’s leadership the Rs: lost the 11th, lost the Senate seat, gave aObama a wide margin in VA; lost Thelma Drake’s seat to Nye and nearly lost Goode’s seat, I think the entrenched R only won by 200 votes. Keep it up, we love it. Go Jeff!
ha ha
Hatred gets creamed in this election
I dont have to move to Canada
Rethink your putrid values, republicans, and give us something we agree with.
And Liddy Dole calling her opponanat “Godless” was no help to Mccain
Another,
Religion does not have a say in politics? Hmm, I suppose the fact Congress opens up every day with a prayer is not an example or why many elected officials close major speeches with “May God Bless America”.
Of course religion is a private matter too, but to deny our founding and continued faith is not out in the open is simply wrong.
And it is very logical to believe in God. Though, I do have to ask have you ever heard of the saying There are atheists in fox holes?
Now is the time to start working the immigration issue. Republicans need to work on their party - the one which has pandered to the Hispanic vote only to lose ground in 2 elections. Those of us whjo are willing to give Obama a chance to govern need to express to him how opposed we are to amnesty.
The fact that his aunt was here illegally and while in public housing is not something that should go unnoticed or unremarked upon.
I Bleed Obama Blue said on 5 Nov 2008 at 1:04 pm: Flag comment
Tool - I am an Atheist. Go pedal your fear and guilt to someone who buys into your “creator reckoning” schtick.”
Rick Bentley/Naughtius Maximus/BothPartiesColludeAgainstUsToExploitOurFears is now referring to himself as I Bleed Obama Blue. It’s good you are finally showing your colors. Don’t even deny it - your atheism, numerous posts, and argumentative nature give you away.
Why do you feel compelled to change names so often? Trying to get away from the heat of your comments? It reeks of cowardice.
I think I mistyped your third name, Rick. It shoud read BothPartiesColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears.
Idiot.
Collude -
Is it your opinion that “a path to citizenship” = amnesty?
How do you propose we addess the imingation issue?
BothP,
I agree. Immigration issues seem to have dropped off the table.
I still cannot figure out how BHO will be able to get a security clearance with the list of “friends” he has as well as a non-legal birth certificate.
Quite honestly, YOUR expectations differ greatly from those of the “average voter”.
Blue,
You mean average Obama voters like this lady?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36×8rTb3jI
I am quite sure that my expectations are right in line with the 57 million Americans who voted for McCain.
Putty, buddy, you are daft. I am me and only myself. I have never posted under a nom de plume.
Mutt -
Please explain how President-elect Obama’s bith certificate is illegal.
I predict the Obamagasm to be short lived.
Won’t be long before piper comes calling and he’ll either be the panacea his rhetoric promised or a fraud.
Going to be interesting either way.
Greg -
Just read the bullets under “flag comment” - TOO FUNNY!
May I suggest that “bleed” (liberalism) go there and check all boxes!!!!
Greg -
Just read the bullets under “flag comment” - TOO FUNNY!
May I suggest that “bleed” (liberalism) go there and check all boxes!!!!
Sorry for the double post - just wanted to make sure bleed sees it - he/she/it is a little slow.
I Bleed Obama Blue said on 5 Nov 2008 at 2:10 pm: Flag comment
“Collude -
Is it your opinion that “a path to citizenship” = amnesty?
How do you propose we addess the imingation issue?”
Now he’s talking to himself! How pathetic!!
Mando said on 5 Nov 2008 at 2:59 pm: Flag comment
“I predict the Obamagasm to be short lived.
Won’t be long before piper comes calling and he’ll either be the panacea his rhetoric promised or a fraud.
Going to be interesting either way.”
After his first 100 days, President Obama is going to be praying for a Republican congress, ala Bill Clinton, to save his bacon. Pelosi and company, who have rightfully earned the lowest opinion ratings in history, are going to make the PBHO look pretty bad.
Be careful what you wish for libs, you may get it.
After January 20, 2009, Washington DC will become the new ground zero for the next terrorist attack. Remember, Vice President Biden said you can count on Obama being tested within the first six months. After we close Gitmo and release all those innocent souls, guess what their next move will be?
Now might be a good time to call your real estate agent.
Obama is floating names for his new cabinet. This will be fun.
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/2008/November/Looking-into-President-Obama-s-Cabinet.html
Suggest those really interested in what happened look
at A27 in today’s WaPo.
Across the Nation: Obama’s victory rest largely on
margins among African Americans, Hispanics and younger
voters far outpacing John Kerry in 2004 …
- 90% of Republicans voted for McCain and 90% of
Democrats voted for Obama. Both men took their
base by the same % - but there are more Dems
(39%) than GOPers (33%). The Republicans
didn’t need more pandering to their base -
they need a larger base.
Yes, Greg THANK YOU! For giving us immigrants a kick in the pants! If not for you we would all still be permanent resident aliens. Now we have become American citizens so we could cast our vote against the GOP! We can’t wait to vote againts any current PWC GOP elected official when their term is up for election!
“We can’t wait to vote againts any current PWC GOP elected official when their term is up for election!”
Does that include Marty Nohe too? Better check with your ideological leaders, Eleana and Allana. Marty is a “good” republican.
It’s history the first black man…yada yada yada. I was sick to my stomach last night! He was elected only because he is black. That isn’t why I dis-like him though! I just wish people would realize that his only got voted in for 2 reasons:
1) he’s black so all the black junkies and vagrants finally registered and voted
2) people are tired of Bush so some fair weather republicans figured they would try something different…not better
I wouldn’t say a landslide! It was like 2 mil in the popular vote. That’s probably the number of new voters.
1/4 of the people who voted for him have no idea what he stands for, they just know he’s black.
He is an eloquent speaker but that is just about all he has going for him.
YJLY — You are so full of yourself that you make me laugh!! I bet they could use a new “Church Lady” on SNL. Thanks for the humorous interlude.
scaredgrl12, you have spoken the truth! Of course, you let yourself
wide open to be called a “racist pig” by SteveS (see 12:35 AM comment).
I’m not bothered by his opinion, for he knows what I stated is the truth
and the truth hurts. I will add something to your number 1 reason:
Not only the junkies and vagrants but the baby machines and the good
for nothings on welfare who will be anxiously awaiting for the wealth to
be spread around.
Obama’s victory last night is the ultimate in affirmative action.
Take a good look at today’s numbers from Wall Street….I repeat: It’s
the beginning of the end for all of us!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
You racist, redneck, backward fools lost!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Whoeeee, Anonymous!! A few more epithets and hahahaha’s and you might have a literary best seller there. Maybe Hugo Chavez can put in a good word for you with his literary agent.
Anonymous, I thiink you are the one who is “lost.” Shouldn’t you be celebrating, rather than wasting your time broad-brushing everyone with your petty, vindictive nonsense?
Seems like the freaks come out of the woodwork, you would think they won the presidential election. Getting the ticket to the white house is one thing, actually doing what was promised was another. Obama to my knowledge has not provided any promises other than to change things. Hell, I can do that and I’m not even the president.
At least Sheriff Joe won once again and he’ll keep doing the job other American Law Enforcement Officers can’t or won’t do.
CitizenofManassass: Ha ha, that’s great. You’re going to trot out the fact that Congress says a prayer (which it shouldn’t be doing–separation of church and state and all) and an aphorism as proof of why this country is founded on faith? PLEASE! Do us all a favor: stop voting. You’re too uninformed.
It’s the 21st century. We can put a man on the Moon. We can send probes outside the solar system. We’ve got robots running around on Mars. We understand the origin of the Universe down to femtoseconds after the Big Bang. We’ve probed deep into the atom to the level of quarks, gluons, and leptons. We’ve cured a fascinating range of diseases, decoded the human genome, and understand the origins of nearly all diseases we can’t cure. We can communicate with anyone anywhere on the planet at any time. We can find our position anywhere on the globe to within feet. Even the poorest person has access to the grand accumulated knowledge of humanity. We can feed billions, dive to the ocean depths, soar among the clouds. All these things were brought to you by science.
And what has religion given us? Some silly fairy stories, a bunch of wars, illimitable evils done in the name of one god or another, hate, discontent. It robs the poor of their income so that church leaders can live in opulence. Religion has given us nothing but evil and lies.
Grow up, people. There is no invisible sky daddy worried about where you stick your winky. Adults with invisible friends are stupid.
God loves you!
We all awoke today to life in the USSA - United Socialist States of Amerika. The only comfort is that all the Obamanics posting here are going to have their taxes go up also, and be measuring their daughters for burkas just like the conservatives who are mourning the death of the US. Osama is not going to be able to carry through on any of his promises, but will bankrupt us trying. Yep, my household is at $250K, and I didn’t get any of the economic checks that non-taxpayers got, and I’ll survive, but I see this as the suicide of America. We’ll soon lose our status as a superpower and the influx of the world’s garbage will drag us down to third-world conditions in a generation.
He’s not my president and never will be. And his Muslim roots and sympathies will soon be showing even more.
Oddly, it seems that Rev Wright and I agree on something… God Damn Amerika! You who voted for him, it’ll be *your* chickens coming home… to roost!
God loves you so much that he sacrificed himself to himself in order to change a rule that he made up. God loves you so much that if you break any of the arbitrary rules he made up (don’t use his name in vain, don’t covet another’s possessions) he will torture you forever and ever and ever and ever.
The god portrayed in the Christian/Jewish/Muslim texts is a sick, demented sociopath who is completely unworthy of worship. That is, if he actually existed
When professional baseball players and their agents started making noise today with owners about signing bonuses coming this year instead of next in order to avoid taxes, I think that speaks volumes about where we are headed, no?
Another A$$ - excuse me - Another Atheist is surely Bleed. There can’t be two people that incredibly stupid posting next to each other. Pick a name Bleed Bile and stick to it, or move on. You’re a sick individual.
cdubbs -
Avoid taxes??????? How patriotic!
That only shows how crummy and greedy grossly overpaid athletes are. Taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized society. Did you not know that?
WAAAAAAHHHH!!! I earn $250k a year but I manage my money so poorly that I’ll go broke if my marginal tax rate goes up by a percent or two. WAAAAAAHHHHH!!
Shut up, redneck. That’s what you sound like.
fedup: I see, though, that you can’t dispute anything I say. Interesting.
Another,
We are not perfect, just forgiven. You can say what you want, religion does play a huge part in politics and in our Nation on a daily basis.
I haven’t done anything I need to be forgiven for. Except for blasphemy. But that’s a victimless crime.
“Oddly, it seems that Rev Wright and I agree on something… God Damn Amerika!”
So … you don’t really love America. Just some imaginary version of it.
so, I guess what some of you are saying here is that 53% of the population voted to take the country in a direction that 46% do not want.
At least those results are better than in 2000 when Gore with 48.3% lost to Bush with 47.8% of the vote (yes, the loser had more votes in the general election, and some still question the outcome).
BTW I don’t post under any names other than 2 variant spellings of this. I changed my handle in broad daylight, because it was “time for a change”. And I myself consider myself rationalist rather than atheist - a semantic distinction for what it’s worth.
And I voted Lou Dobbs.
But only 50-some million voted in a country of over 300 million. So it’s more like 9% of the people voted to take the country in a direction 8% didn’t want?
Or maybe I’m off and it’s like 100 million voters. So 18% voted to take the country in a direction 16% disagreed with.
Mmmmmm….that’s good apathy!
Obomanation stole the election and lied, lied, lied. Half of the money he raised is unaccounted for. We know where it came from…kenya and the commies in europe, hugo chavez and his anti-american butt-buddies like bill ayers the murderer and rev wrong. When we finally get an accounting of it all the leftist media will shrug it off with a casual chuckle, still reeling from the thrill running up their legs. The new sign in front of the soon to be desecrated white house should read “Democracy for Sale to the Highest Bidder”. What a shame. May God forgive us for this moment of utter tragedy.
You lost. Get over it, slick. Your bitter tears of defeat are like sweet ambrosia.
AA
I didn’t lose, the republicans didn’t lose, this country lost. That will be all too apparent in a few years or less. I never even imagined going on the daily kos or some other lefty website and reveling in the defeat of the democrats when Bush won (twice). By doing so you reveal your true character or lack thereof. You are a lost, soulless, hate-filled zealot who revels in the downfall of a great people and nation.
On a personal note, I was once a confused leftist like yourself and had convinced myself there was no God. When my first son was born with a congenital heart problem that was about to take him from me, God changed my life. You see, I the rebellious, anarchist punker found myself on my knees so quickly it made my head spin. There is a God and he loves you even as flawed as you are. There will be a reckoning, you will see.
Yup - I’d say that AA is nasty girl KG and she will find herself begging for forgiveness when her time comes. They talk a big talk but we all know who will be begging in the end.
Welcome to the United Socialist States of America.
Oh, how they can hardly wait for Dear Leader to appear!
I shoulda voted for Amy Winehouse.
Another Atheist is cocky about it all now. However, we all know that, when he finally realizes that his time on Earth is nearly over, he will hollar louder than anyone else for a priest to come and give him absolution. Never fails. Why, I bet he has the nearest church on his cell phone speed dial…just in case!
Yeah, sure. God loved you so much he sent you a defective child. Nice going there, god! Hey, you want to believe in the invisible sky fairy who grants wishes if you just pray real hard, that’s fine by my. It’s a free country. Just keep your delusions out of government.
Downfall of a great nation? Too late! Dubya already accomplished that. He took us to war based on a lie, and made us the laughingstock of the world. Obama’s election has started to rectify that. It’s great; now when I travel the world, I don’t have to apologize to people for my idiot President.
Wolverine–you actually read the Bible? You ever read the description of heaven? It’s a tiny, bejeweled city that’s constantly suffused with light, beset with stinky incense, and apparently all you do for eternity is chant “glory, glory, glory, glory.” You ever read the description of hell? All the Bible says is that’s it’s separation from god. Separation from a psychopathic, schitzophrenic torturer who did a poor design job on his first creations and threw a giant temper tantrum?
Hell sounds a lot better to me. I’m pretty sure both are phony, but trust me–if the end times came and Jebus all of a sudden appeared floating on a cloud o’ glory, the LAST thing I’d be doing is praying to get taken off with the self-righteous, Bible-spouting nitwits.
You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice.
But if you choose not to decide,
You still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears,
And kindness that can kill.
I will choose a purpose clear,
I will choose Free Will.
Another Atheist: ah, ah, I think the vote count was close to 110 million, about 65% of registered voters, not the 50 million and 9%, you’re listening to too much Rush rather than doing your research, related to Vic?
How has everyone been? Ain’t been on since the election race started because I supported Obama and this site was for McCain. The fight against illegal immigration is what we agreed on and I continue to support it.
After reading some of these comments, it’s obvious that some attempt to display racism which gives the wrong impression when attempting to fight for a just cause such as “illegal immigration”. Billy Bob is a fine example and in case he doesn’t know per TIM KAINE and us voters “OLD VIRGINNY IS DEAD”!
We took care of George Allen first and then turned Virginia Blue and changed the face of politics throught out America. May America come together as 1 and it will. President Obama and his staff will lead the way.
No longer is it “Yes we can” it is now “Yes we did”!
those fatties on the other site are really living it up today, you would have thought they won the election for Obama. Sounds like a damn Scientologist convention over there. Change, Change, Change when all I want is a damn dollar. For some reason every time I hear the word “change” now I actually hear “tax” instead, must be something wrong there.
Once all the touch feelie breast feeding stops over there hopefully that blog will die off and we can discuss some real issues and solutions here without those nuts intruding but hey, just like king arthur needed a court jester these village idiots do provide some entertainment.
After it’s all said and done Elena and Alanna are still fat and KG is flat out disgusting and mean. Barrack Obama in the white house is not going to change that unless he puts them on a mandatory exercise program and closes all the Krispy Kremes, 5 guys and Mcdonalds in a 200 mile radius but I doubt that’s going to happen.
Hey Angry, welcome back.
AA,
Once again you are wrong. Religion is part of the Government and you can say it is not until you are blue in the face and you would still be wrong.
God puts us through tests to increase our faith in him. Though, I do love how you can mock us for believing in something, yet you have “faith” to believe in nothing. Hmmm.
Angrey Black man.
Obama is not going to unite the Country. If he wanted to do that, he would not engage in class warfare, he would not insult Americans who own guns, and have faith in God. Though, I do find it funny that a guy who proclaims to be a Christian would insult such a group.
But since you seem to like socialism, can I please have everything you own? Thanks.
Chicko (aka Elvis), nothing about the other blog stops you from discussing real issues and solutions. The problem isn’t the other blog. The problem is you. You don’t actually have anything cogent to say about politics. The only thing you appear to be capable of discussing at any length is the presumed appearance of your opponents. How impressive. What an incredibly gripping argument against them. You are doing BVBL proud.
Chicko is not Elvis. Sorry, Anon…
Anon -
Unfortunately, you are wrong.
EVERYTHING about your hate site stops people from discussing real issues and solutions. You all run people off that site over the slightest disagreement. And you wonder why you have the same five people discussing issues amongst themselves.
I don’t blame Chicko for being angry.
Correct,
I’m not the king, although I do know him. I have a different set of issues. Elvis has issues on the immigration side, as he’s been personally affected. Myself on the other hand cannot stand them as they are wishy washy and just flat out mean. I will meet meanness with meanness.
I just think they are flat out garbage and I’m not afraid to say it. Elvis on the other hand has extreme fun at their expense and I get more than a few laughs too. They are comical
“those fatties on the other site are really living it up today”
A. Complete lack of class calling women “fat” instead of dealing with anything relevant. Are we back in 3rd grade again?
B. One of the women over there apparently voted McCain.
Actually, they are very happy and positive over there. They do tick me off sometimes, but their physical appearance should not be up for discussion.
What I don’t like are the ones who came over here to gloat, insult and provoke instead. What is the point of that?
“For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.” - AnnCoulter
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80215
AA
You are so filled with hatred you are going to give yourself cancer. I am sure you already have it growing within you. What happened to you? Were you abused as a child? Whatever it was it must have been terrible. I pity you.
yeah,
but that same woman also voices her apparent lack of issue about having an illegal alien as a spouse. I dont care who they voted for, that is reprehensible. in order to command respect you have to give it. They dont and now they wont get it.. As for the personal appearance, they make it a point to comment on others so I return it in kind.
Ok, I feel since everyone is chipping in their own 2 cents, I want to as well. First off, I believe in God and the Bible, call me anything other than a Bible believing Christian and you are just as guilty as the “racists” you complain about here.
I didn’t vote for either McCain or Obama, not because I don’t like either one of them, but because a thrid party seemed to make more sense.
I am so tired of everyone acting like whites are the only people capable of racism, isn’t calling someone “cracker” or “redneck” just as racist as the N word?
Do I mind that Obama is black, not at all, I say good for him, BUT, I DO NOT agree with his bs stance on Amnesty, but McCain was for the same exact thing. It seems that BOTH Dems and Reps go to far to the extreme:
DEMS:
Bleeding hearts who feel they need to save everyone while never hurting anyones feelings. Killing innocent babies, supporting gay marriage, totally omitting the existence of God from everything. All the while spouting that REPS are racist redneck who hate everything.
REPS:
Pander to big business and the wealthy, seeking to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, not really looking out for the working man.
I pray for Obama and his family and administration, and I hope he does a great job at making this country better, but we will not get there by adding another 12 million citizens to our country. I do however not mind trying out Universal Healthcare
America Bless God, and God Bless America
“…we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.”
I love it! Yeah, with that kind of respect, who needs disrespect. I agree with Ann - let’s treat the new prez like they treated the outgoing prez.
emma,
I agree..they cross the isle only to stir up hate not to be constructive
In “The Audacity of Deceit” you’ll learn how Obama:
* Blocked emergency medical aid for babies who survived abortion.
* Plans to ban the use of firearms by lawabiding citizens—even for self-defense.
* Was abandoned by his bigamist father and raised in a Muslim society—and
how this influences his values.
* Would raise tax rates to a Hoover-like 60 percent.
* Will transform the U.S. Treasury into the United Nations’ ATM.
* Wants fuel prices high and farmland taken out of production.
* Will grant federal medical insurance to 12 million illegal aliens and increase
emergency room costs alone by $15.4 billion annually.
* Would transfer child-rearing from parents to the federal government with his
secular “0 to 5” program.
http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2425
In “The Audacity of Deceit” you’ll learn how Obama:
* Blocked emergency medical aid for babies who survived abortion.
* Plans to ban the use of firearms by lawabiding citizens—even for self-defense.
* Was abandoned by his bigamist father and raised in a Muslim society—and
how this influences his values.
* Would raise tax rates to a Hoover-like 60 percent.
* Will transform the U.S. Treasury into the United Nations’ ATM.
* Wants fuel prices high and farmland taken out of production.
* Will grant federal medical insurance to 12 million illegal aliens and increase
emergency room costs alone by $15.4 billion annually.
* Would transfer child-rearing from parents to the federal government with his
secular “0 to 5” program.
http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2425
http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2425
First, there is nobody commenting on physical appearance over there in the obsessive way you do, Chicko aka Elvis. That’s obvious. In fact, you would have trouble finding examples for those you target while with you it is a constant OCD-like theme. Throw a dart, find a post about ‘fatties.”Second, if that were the case, which it isn’t, your desire to imitate would be more evidence of your childishness. See above, even your pal Emma, said physical appearance should not be up for discussion. It has nothing to do with issues. Or are you saying you agree with our new prez because he is tall, skinny, athletic and wears a suit like a GQ model? Chickoelvisjames etc., are you not capable of anything else? Are you stuck in elementary school?
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You right-wingers can delude yourselves forever, but the fact of the matter is the Republican Party has lost its appeal amongst moderates and independents that are no longer swayed by wedge issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.). As fervent as your attacks on Obama’s character were, they fell on the deaf ears of the electorate. Faced with the prospect of losing their jobs, homes, and way of life, droves of suburbanites cast ballots for Democratic candidates. You lost BIG Time.
And what will be the reaction of your party’s leadership? My expectation is for a shift harder to the right with a greater emphasis on divisive, us v. them issues that, while “red meat” to the Republican base, are so unattractive to the very voters you hope to attract. This process will only serve to further marginalize your party.
I envision continuous, strengthening Democratic rule for the foreseeable future.
Alley -
Bush EARNED the scorn with which he is now viewed by three quarters of the American people.
so i guess it’s ok as long as it’s not obsessive, thanks for setting the boundaries anon. apparently it’s getting to you since you are over here! No problem with Obama the man, I think he’s well suited to be president. I dont like his plan, which as of now is non existant.
now go back to diggin’ on that big mac KG!!
Don’t feed the trolls.
That is all.
Slick –
You are one sanctimonious M-Fer.
Here’s hoping that the fall off that high horse you’re on is very, vey hard!
Good advice, Mando. I figured it was time to back out of the discussion once I figured out what was going on here.
BothPartiesColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 6 Nov 2008 at 9:46 am: Flag comment
“those fatties on the other site are really living it up today”
A. Complete lack of class calling women “fat” instead of dealing with anything relevant. Are we back in 3rd grade again?
B. One of the women over there apparently voted McCain.
Rick, you called Sarah Palin a “douche” the other day. By the way, you seem to have added “Another Athiest” to your bag of personalities. But you seem to have hoodwinked everyone into thinking that there are three or four idiots out there arguing than just the one original idiot, Rick Bentley.
I try not to read a certain antagonistic stalker’s posts, but I saw that one, so I’ll respond and give MightyPutty his vindication that he is important in this world and that people pay attention when he talks.
I don’t accept that “douche” is sexist. It’s an insult. It’s meant as one. It doesn’t correlate to physicasl appearance, but rather to personality. I think you’re a douche too, Might Putty! A great big massive douche of a poster. We are all Joe the Plumber and you and Sarah Palin are both douches.
Palin should not be running for high office. Her pick was absurd. We are hearing now that she didn’t know that Africa was a continent, she argued with McCain’s people that it was a country and that South Africa was just a region in a country rather than a seperate nation. So much for this image her Dad promulgated of Sarah as someone who since childhood read a bunch of newspapers back to front. She is and was not capable of dealing with the Presidency. And naming her was a disgrace.
She IS a great example of how far one can get in the world by projecting well and selling themselves as likeable (and winking all the time, if you’re cute).
Anon,
I beg to differ with you. I specifically remember one of the far-left loons commenting on the color of Maureen’s hair after she spoke at one of the BOCS meetings.
Chicko is not Elvis.
Mighty Putty, Rick is not “Another Atheist,” so get off it already…
Rick,
The same statement could be said of Obama “HE IS a great example of how far one can get in the world by projecting well and selling themselves as likeable”
Take the sex out of it and just say “douchebag” and that won’t be quite so offensive.
But I thought “douche” was short for “douchebag” in this context … I guess not everyone listens to Howard Stern 4 hours each day and hears the word constantly.
Your point on Obama is good but I think it is obvious to all that he is more knowledgable about the world and about geopolitics than Palin is. I don’t doubt though that one of Palin’s problems was that her worldview is so different from McCain’s (constantly changing) platform that she didn’t know how to safely express herself.
Bottom line a Governor is not ready to take over the office without some prolonged education on foreign affairs from those familiar with the domain, such as what Bush put himself through prior to 2000 (with Rice and Powell as his coaches) or Clinton prior to 1992. You can’t just pick some random Governor at the last minute and pretend they are possibly ready to go. It was a reckless choice, or a “maverick” choice if one prefers to see it that way.
Ok…here is some humor we can all use:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive
“task Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 7:20 am
I was in Africa as well and spent time among some very poor people, by American standards, both in the cities and in the brush. They may be poor but are far happier than the drug invested criminal atmosphere of Chicago’s South Side where I once worked. Poverty does not create mental cases the likes of what Obama describes. During our own Great Depression, where we had an unemployment rate of 25%, people were poor and homeless but there was no hate, no homicide epidemics, doors and windows could still remain unlocked and their was no graffiti to deface public and private buildings. It is the lack of responsibility and the absence of family that is a direct result of the welfare state that creates today’s unfathomable crime and misery. People in the poorest parts of Tanzania and Kenya are often better educated than they are in parts of Chicago and they don’t have cell phones, automobiles, air conditioning. I pods, designer clothes and shoes, preventive and other medical care and the abundant variety of food let alone clean, hot and cold and safe running water. I could go on but let’s also point out that poor black people in the U.S. in the late 1940’s were hard working religious people with less of an illegitimacy rate than the white population. Today I can take anyone to Harlem in NYC to buy designer clothes that most people can’t afford and yet the residents buy them.
It is about morals, values and ethics generated by family and robbed by exploitative poverty merchants. Civilization is about maintenance, not building something new and I have seen old Maasai Bomba huts that look better than two-year old Chicago projects, with broken elevators and windows, covered with graffiti, filled with unwed mothers and saturated with armed drug dealers doing a thriving trade. How come 400-year-old buildings in Austria and Switzerland, look like they were built yesterday, with an ageless patina and yet new, American government erected projects look like Dresden after the war?
Obama and his comrades, such as reverend Wright, generate the animosity, the hate and the agitation, that keeps them in business and not the work ethic, and the religious and family values that create prosperity, harmony and wealth. He is the real misery monger of the people that he professes to care for and love rather than the accusers that he points his finger at. He seeks power and control and is no better than Jim Jones who in the end offered them Cool-Aid.
The hijackers that caused 911 were educated religious zealots, just as Osama Bin Laden is. If you want to talk about wealth redistribution and opportunity for all I suggest that Obama start in the Islamic mid-east where religion and culture maintains the status quo, and the enormous wealth differences and not in America where anyone can acquire modest to extraordinary wealth irregardless of ethnicity and gender. The economic egalitarianism that Obama and his associates seeks to gain for his agitated victims can only be achieved by the ethics, morals, values, and family that he helped steal from them for generations. Give them back the family values that they once had and they will not need Obama and his power broker associates to achieve the American dream. In fact true wealth is represented, first and foremost, by those very family values, morals and ethics that they all had in the first place. Values should always precede material success, which has no meaning without them. When you posses them everything else just comes naturally.”
comment from http://marklevinfan.com/?p=3750
Blue,
I will take the fact you have failed to provide an example of a sucessful socialist Country as proof there is not one. And, that will be the downfall of the left in this Country.
Once people get a taste of what it is like under Obama and his anti-American administration, those people who voted for him because they were pissed at Bush will glady vote GOP next time.
BothPartiesColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 6 Nov 2008 at 1:55 pm: Flag comment
Your point on Obama is good but I think it is obvious to all that he is more knowledgable about the world and about geopolitics than Palin is. I don’t doubt though that one of Palin’s problems was that her worldview is so different from McCain’s (constantly changing) platform that she didn’t know how to safely express herself.
Bottom line a Governor is not ready to take over the office without some prolonged education on foreign affairs from those familiar with the domain, such as what Bush put himself through prior to 2000 (with Rice and Powell as his coaches) or Clinton prior to 1992. You can’t just pick some random Governor at the last minute and pretend they are possibly ready to go. It was a reckless choice, or a “maverick” choice if one prefers to see it that way.
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The difference being between Obama and Palin is that he was running for president at the top of the ticket and Palin was running for VICE president at the BOTTOM of the ticket.
So, why can’t we compare apples to apples? You would argue that Obama was more knowledgable about the world and geopolitics than McCain? I was voting for the president not the vice president?
Here’s one for you lefties!
This should be the proudest day of your lives!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/11/06/iran.obama/index.html
BPCAYAMTYF, don’t forget, when railing about Sarah Palin’s lack of
knowledge….Obama said he’d been to all 57 states!!
Angry Blackman (8:14post) You appear to be one of those waiting for
Obama to “spread the wealth” so your welfare check will increase.
You enjoy lolling around all day in your dirty sweats, spitting your watermellon
seeds across the room, don’t you? Go suck on your chicken bones.
“You would argue that Obama was more knowledgable about the world and geopolitics than McCain?”
Since you ask … I think they’re about equal but Obama shows more poise and judgement in general. McCain did some eccentric things just in the last few months … nominating Palin so abruptly thinking it would get him the women’s vote … suspending his campaign then starting it back up again over the course of a day or two thinking he would gain political advantage … saying he wanted to buy all the negative equity in America and reward every homeowner who overextended themselves.
What I dislike most about McCain is his fight for Amnesty and his intellectual dishonesty when he fights for it. After that, I would cite his conduct in regards to the field in Iraq. He flies in for a day or few hours at a time, makes misleading or downright untrue pronouncements about conditions, and then picks fights with any reporters who dare to try to get at what’s real and what’s baloney. His conduct over the last few years in this area was repeatedly unseemly.
I hope everyone else has the sense to ignore Billy Bob’s racist crap, then maybe he will stop posting and return to writing racist graffiti in toilet stalls.
I voted for Obama, but now I am having second thoughts. buyers remorse or something like that. I heard today from a friends at work that she thinks she will get a promotion because she is black now. another lady friend said Obama was going to pay off her morgage. Is this really true?
BothPartiesColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 6 Nov 2008 at 3:50 pm:
Since you ask … I think they’re about equal but Obama shows more poise and judgement in general.
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Let’s see what Obama’s good judgement means for Obama: Jerimiah Wright, William Ayres, Bernardine Dohrn, Tony Rezko, ‘Father’ Flager, Rashid Khalidi and these are only the ones we know about. And, you think Obama has better judgement.
Yeah, right….you might be surprised to know that a lot of those posting
on this blog completely agree with me.
Ole Virginny is Alive and Well.
Maybe its time to become a hermit and start killing my own food (and illegal trespassers). Crawl off the grid and quit paying taxes. There wasn’t a candidate running this time that was ever was on my list. They are/were all nit-wits.
SocccerMom, Not only will Obama pay your mortage but he’s going to pay for your groceries, fill your gas tank and provide a free membership to the health clu of your choice.
I thought Martin Luther King wanted people to be judged by the content of their charcter and NOT the color of their skin. Seems to me 63 million Americans chose to ignore the content of his character.
Glenn Beck has a good point here and is well worth considering even if we don’t like the outcome:
“that he is the American President and anyone who doesn’t accept him as the President of the United States is pure and simple un-American. That does not mean that you accept everything he does. That does not mean that you sell out your values. That doesn’t mean that you don’t fight for the Constitution and fight for what you believe in, but he is the President of the United States and if you believe in this system, then you are required, you are required to accept him as the President of the United States, period, and you support him in every way possible because we — a house divided will not stand.”
I really wish that everyone would realize that in 1994 when Clinton was elected, we had a Democratic majority controlled congress then as well. And look what happened, eventually the Reps took back control.
Here we are again, a Dem president, and a Dem Congress, it’s nothing but a cycle. So what if Virginia voted blue, they did so in 1964 for Johnson, and look, since then it’s been Republican all the way. This new trend is in fact NOTHING NEW indeed. This “young voter” block, will age and then what? Things go back to the way they were, it’s just a cycle, stop flipping out about it.
Well, Bush is still president. So, until Jan 20, 2009 I’m supporting President Bush.
And Jimmy Carter did give us Ronald Reagan. Let’s see who Obama will give us!
Proud -
Clinton was elected in 1992. The Republicans claimed majorities in both houses of Congress in 1994. This, you’ll remember, was after 36 years of uninterrupted Democratic rule in Congress. I have no objection to relinquishing Democratic control of Congress in 2044.
VA voted for Johnson in ‘64 for two reasons: In memory of JFK and because his opponent was Barry Goldwater. This time is very different. VA has been sliding to the left for years, primarily due to people like me who have move here for other, more Liberal parts of the country. This trend will only continue and there will be no going back to the “way VA was”. Welcome to your new reality.
“I heard today from a friends at work that she thinks she will get a promotion because she is black now. another lady friend said Obama was going to pay off her morgage. Is this really true?”
SoccerMom
What you are hearing is the irrational expectations of an uninformed electorate, who were fed a bunch of election propaganda by the campaign, and an allied media, for two years. With expectations this high, I think you will not be alone in your “buyer’s remorse”. President Obama will find himself in a very tough spot, in 3 years. He will be campaigning for re-election from day one. Can’t spread all that wealth around, with the economy in trouble. His surrogates were already trying to lower expectations last week. Notice how the “tax cuts for those making less than $250K” is now “tax cuts for those making less than $120K” ? Going to be a lot of disappointed and disillusioned Obama supporters in a few years. Who will he blame then? Who will Nancy Pelosi blame when her party has held a majority for 4 years? How about Harry Reid? Who will he blame? Who will the media blame? I know who the people will blame.
Maxi -
That last post sounds like your fondest wet dream. I think that you’re seriously underestimating President Obama’s abilities, and those of our elected representatives. Time will tell.
“And Jimmy Carter did give us Ronald Reagan. Let’s see who Obama will give us!”
Palin/Jindall 2012!
Obama will give us:
Warner/ Sebelius 2016!
“I heard today from a friends at work that she thinks she will get a promotion because she is black now. another lady friend said Obama was going to pay off her morgage. Is this really true?”
Yes, it’s true. And if you complain about it you will be shipped off to a reeducation camp where Professor William Ayres will read excerpts from Michael Moore’s “Stupid White Men” until you have become thoroughly indoctrinated into liberal fascism. Affirmative Action will be coming back in a big way, and companies will receive stipends for promoting black employees and tax increases for promoting white ones. It’s all part of Obama’s super-top secret plan for America. His grandmother found out about it - and he had to have her killed.
Meanwhile Jeremiah Wright is being groomed for the Secretary of State job, and Jesse Jackson for Secretary of Labor. Joe Biden is surprised at the atmosphere on the transition team; yesterday he was called “whitey” by Obama and Rahm Emmanuel and Obama personally asked him to “fetch me some coffee, boy”.
Collude -
I see you’re off your meds again…
Now on a serious note - AS WE SPEAK the GOP “leaders” are figuring out how best to pander to Hispanics going forward. From today’s washington Post -
“Norquist is one of 20 conservative leaders who will be meeting today at the Virginia weekend home of veteran conservative activist and fundraiser L. Brent Bozell III to discuss the election results and the way forward for the conservative movement.
…
Meanwhile, the party lost serious ground among Hispanics across the United States. “The party was bald-faced in its courting of Hispanic voters in 2004, and you saw a jump,” said a leading GOP strategist who insisted on anonymity to speak more candidly about the party’s concerns. “At any point in this election cycle, did anyone in the Republican Party say to Hispanics, ‘We want your vote, and this is what we want to do’?” ”
So, given the way the ostensibly conservative people who vote GOP BIT ON THE FISH HOOK LIKE RABID DOGS as soon as the negative ads came to them, eager to vote for people like McCain who don’t really share their values but pretend to well enough to earn their votes, expect more of the same.
it was sarcasm IBOB, surely you can tell?
sarcasm - 2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
Collude -
Really, this is NOT the site I visit for “satirical wit” or “ironic language”!
Blue,
I see your need to comment on my every post as a sign that deep down inside, in places you don’t like to talk about at your liberal wine and cheese parties, you know I am right. You know it wasn’t “Bad Bush economic policy” that caused the housing market to crash. It was greedy lenders, and uneducated borrowers. You know that Bush didn’t cause the auto industry to tank. It was 40 years of bad managment and poorly negotiated labor contracts. You know that it wasn’t Bush energy policy that caused oil prices to spike. It was the rising global demand, driven by the industrialization in China, India, and elsewhere, and a lack of domestic oil production, and worse refining capacity. You know this because you are an intelligent person. You know I am right because Obama/Reid/Pelosi have made some lofty promises. World events effect the US as much as the US effects the world. When you over-promise, and under-deliver, people get pissed. You know this too.
Do I think that Obama won’t get anything positive done? Of course not, and I hope that President Obama, who will be my President, does what is right for the country. Hey, I didn’t vote for Clinton. I thought the whole perjury to cover-up and affair thing was an embarassment to the office, but it wasn’t something that would destroy the nation. I think his failure to take out Bin Laden when he had the chance was a mistake, but Clinton couldn’t have known what would happen on 9/11. I disagreed with him on policy, but I won’t sit here and say that everything he did was wrong for the country. That defies all logic. I disagree with a lot of what President Bush did, and the GOP congress did too.
The economy will recover on its own, eventually. President Obama can make it happen a little faster, or slower, by the policies he enacts, and how they are PERCIEVED by the country, and the world. We will leave Iraq one day in the next few years. That’s already in the plan. If Afghanistan is stablized in the next few years, great. He’ll get the credit for all of that. That’s his political right as the sitting president when it happens. I hope the economy improves. I hope we are victorious in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope we have destroyed Al-Quiada. I hope we’ve captured or killed Bin laden…and I hope it all happens before the next election. Why, because I love my country.
But, in your post-election glee, you have missed my point. President Barrack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Majority Leader Harry Reid have a real political challenge ahead of them. They must govern. Hear that Blue? GOVERN. PERFORM. GET STUFF DONE! Pelosi and Reid have gotten very little done. Not because Bush vetoed everything they tried to pass. not because the Republican MINORITY was too effective (far from it). It was because they are both anachronistic political hacks. They are more interested in the political game, then they are in governing. They failed to learn from their GOP predecessors, and are making the same mistakes they did, only worse.
Why am I cynical, Blue? I’ll tell ya buddy. The GOP held all three branches of government, and screwed it up. Everything? No, but enough that the electorate got pissed and threw them out over two election cycles. I still think Bush was the right man on 9/11, think the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were justified, the tax-cuts sound, and the two strict constructionsalists appointed to the SCOTUS good choices. In the last two years, I have seen the Democrats doing the same thing. Pie-in-the-sky promises that defy the conditions on the ground. Becoming so beholden to special interests that they can no longer conduct the people’s business.
So get my point. The Democrats own it all, success and failure. No GOP to blame. If things are great in 2010 and 2012, you won’t hear me complaining. Who would? However, I am pretty sure they won’t be. I am sure that around 40% of the electorate will agree with me at that time, (with 10% “undecided”). Nobody to blame if things go south. Bad place to be at election time. Just ask Jimmy Carter.
At the risk of constantly repeating myself, here’s why I think Obama will be good for the economy.
1993-2000 Bill Clinton used the tax code to encourage American business to invest in American workers. It did us well and especially during the boom of the Internet - all the speculators’ wealth being invested in internet development stayed in the US rather than over to India or China.
2001 George W undid this and just went with good old-fashioned trickle-down - it’s your money, outsource if you want to, we’ll just run a deficit and it’s happy horse**** economics.
It only makes sense that tax breaks be used to promote economic development IN AMERICA rather than in other nations, and I think this will make a world of difference, as it did before. And as we pursue alternative energy technologies, I’m glad we will move back towards this policy so that the jobs will be here and not in Mexico, Brazil, India, China, etc.
“1993-2000 Bill Clinton used the tax code to encourage American business to invest in American workers. It did us well and especially during the boom of the Internet - all the speculators’ wealth being invested in internet development stayed in the US rather than over to India or China.”
Ha..Ha…HaHahaHa! You can’t be serious. What it got us was the “internet bubble”, followed by the “telecom bubble”. When they started to burst in 1999-2000 (BEFORE BUSH TOOK OFFICE) they set us up for a recession that began in 2000, and came on in earnest on 9/11. I worked in that industry. I worked for the BIG telcos, and my customers were the dot.bombs. You don’t think that every company was trying to get into China in 1999, and Rahjib…sorry, “Bob” wasn’t manning a help-desk in Bangalor in 2000, you must be a big fan of “question 2″ in the other commonwealth! (Note to BothPartiesblahblahblah…sarcasm should be funny. “Question 2″ is funny sarcasm, since it deals with the decriminalization of Marijuanna in liberal Massachusettes…and it passed).
Jeez. If you are going to make a specious claim, at least know what you are talking about.
I Bleed Obama Blue said on 6 Nov 2008 at 5:29 pm: Flag comment
“Collude -
I see you’re off your meds again…
BothPartiesColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 6 Nov 2008 at 5:33 pm: Flag comment
it was sarcasm IBOB, surely you can tell?
I Bleed Obama Blue said on 6 Nov 2008 at 5:42 pm: Flag comment
Collude -
Really, this is NOT the site I visit for “satirical wit” or “ironic language”!”
This is too funny! Rick is talking to himself! Do you honestly think anyone is buying this, Rick? I think you are still in a dither over the election results. You probably think you single handedly delivered PWC to Master Obama. Your stealth campaign to keep people from voting for McCain was a great success.
I might be wrong about you being in the basement “man cave”. You might be in an institution! Someone pull the plug on the internet at Sibley!
Flavius, I submit to you that outsourcing has become a bigger issue since Bush revised the tax code not to give a damn about it.
Well, Another Atheist, all I can say is that the theoretical priest I mentioned would probably have one dickens of a time trying to get absolution for you. Think of the odds, boyo. If you are right, you and all the “Believers” alike will just be dust in a hole in the ground. If you are wrong, you may have Hell to pay, if you get my drift. For you it’s a lose-lose proposition. The others have at least half a chance.
I have it on good information (from an insider on the anti site) that Blue is none other than NGL. My source shall remain nameless and anonymous but I trust him/her!
The two anonymous posters that usually are stirring up the crap are NGL and Pinko/KG for the most part with Dolph/Moon/Betsie making the occasionally idiotic contribution.
apparently Rick is also NGL, Who wudda thunk! Now I have a name to put to the call sign!
blue,
Why did you move from a “liberal” area to a conservative area? Was it that the taxes were too high? Not enough jobs? Crime too high? Life in general was poor?
A recent poll of folks who reside in New Jersey showed about 48% would rather live somewhere else. High property taxes was one reason, and sales tax was in the top five. Yet, many who move elsewhere end up voting for people who just want to raise taxes.
I don’t know of anyone wanting to move away from an area because taxes were too low.
Wolverine, you believe in hell?
Are you aware that the original concept of hell was not a place of eternal torment, but just a garbage dump where people put corpses to burn (GeHenna)? That when Jesus spoke of it he was speaking of corpses burning in a garbage mound, not of some underworld torture chamber?
That the whole concept some Christians have of “hell” is not derived from the original Hebrew teaching, but from a wacked-out interpretation some translators propogated?
If you care you can find out more at http://www.2001translation.com/Hell.htm
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christian_beliefs
But be careful I hear you might be tortured forever by a vengeful God if you read it. Jesuria the God of Mushrooms told me this. He said the Flying Spaghetti Monster will eventually breath fire in the ears of all those who don’t believe in the hell story.
I find it interesting that we have heard nothing but change. change, change for months and months and in his acceptance speech it is now:
“The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there”
So are we to be waiting another 4 years for change? Wasn’t his other quote:
“The real question is will our country be better off four years from now? How will we lift our economy and restore America’s place in the world?”
So which is it?
Wolverine, you believe in hell?
Are you aware that the original concept of hell was not a place of eternal torment, but just a garbage dump where people put corpses to burn (GeHenna)? That when Jesus spoke of it he was speaking of corpses burning in a garbage mound, not of some underworld torture chamber?
That the whole concept some Christians have of “hell” is not derived from the original Hebrew teaching, but from a wacked-out interpretation some translators propogated?
If you care you can find out more at http://www.2001translation.com/Hell.htm
and …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christian_beliefs
But be careful I hear you might be tortured forever by a vengeful God if you read it. Jesuria the God of Mushrooms told me this. He said the Flying Spaghetti Monster will eventually breath fire in the ears of all those who don’t believe in the hell story.
am I here or blocked?
strange … ok let me try again
Wolverine, you believe in hell?
Are you aware that the original concept of hell was not a place of eternal torment, but just a garbage dump where people put corpses to burn (GeHenna)? That when Jesus spoke of it he was speaking of corpses burning in a garbage mound, not of some underworld torture chamber?
That the whole concept some Christians have of “hell” is not derived from the original Hebrew teaching, but from a wacked-out interpretation some translators propogated?
If you care you can find out more at http://www.2001translation.com/Hell.htm
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christian_beliefs
hmmm my whole diatribe about hell won’t go through
anyway it’s a garbage dump in Jerusalem not a place of eternal hellfire
read more here if you care - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christian_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christian_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
well look it up in wikipedia if you want to see how hell has been falsely understood -
try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
Look up “Hell in Christian Beliefs”
Me,
Obama is covering his arse. He came up with a catchy slogan and enough people fell for it. He is already trying to lower expectations.
Obama campaigned on a slogan and the george bush presidency. Otherwise he would never have been elected. Now he’s got himself in a bit of a pickle. He’s promised the world and now has come the time for him to deliver. I have to admit, the guy is damn good in front of a camera and he’s damn sure photogenic and refined. However it takes more than those qualities to run a country.
You can say “change” until the cows come home, but you’ll find several million voters who all have their own ideas as to what “change” means as Mr. Obama has not really explained what he means by the phrase. He’s going to spend 4 years cleaning up the war, that’s a given. But I highly doubt he’s going to fix the economy in that time period. I would love to eat my words, but I dont think I’m going to. In fact, I think he’s going to make it worse for the average citizen (unless you are on welfare, you’ll probably get more). I think we are seriously in for some socialist type of governing and It’s not looking pretty. I keep wishing that Hilary had one, at least she has the experience factor.
Crotchety Old Geezer —
Re your Glenn Beck quote: Some fine words from a fine man. Too bad those sentiments were not in play elsewhere on the political spectrum over the past eight years. To tell the truth, my first instinctive inclination was to be absolutely fair and evenhanded in all of this, i.e., to accord to the new President the exact same consideration and respect given by the “Loyal Opposition” to the out-going Chief Executive. I realize, however, that we expect ourselves to be better than that. Yet, to “support him in every way possible because we — a house divided will not stand”? I sincerely hope for the sake of this country that we will be able to fulfill that recommendation, especially when it comes to national security. However, if we ever see a point where “him” appears to be causing the “house” to start falling, boy, I don’t know. Tough assignment. Pray it never comes to that. But this other crotchety old geezer — well, not all that “old”, but the “crotchety” and “geezer” parts are spot on — will certainly try as best he can if it does.
One very bright, personal note in all of this: I just told my daughter that the events of 4 November, i.e. the first African-American president, certainly opened the door very wide for two of her adopted , mixed-race children. Their futures are now truly limitless. You can be sure that “Grandpa” is going to be pushing them hard upward and onward. Silver lining in every cloud, as far as I am concerned.
Wolverine,
I’m not exactly happy with the pick, but I can agree that it was certainly historic. Shows we have come a long way with regard to race relations for sure. I’ll admit I hung on to my copy of the washington post for historical purposes. It’s really an amazing time, even if you dont like what we got.
Oh yes, BothPartiessupremebuttwipe, I go to wikipedia for all of my deep theological research. I was just thinking that. Why study scripture. Why read the works of Thomas Aquinas. I can just go to wikipedia. Hey, why doesn’t Obama just say screw a cabinet and advisors, I’ll just go to wikipedia to learn about economics and all that stuff a President needs to know.
One thing Satan is counting on is that there are morons like you trying to convince the weak-minded that he doesn’t exist, and that some will actually believe you.
Wolverine: Yaaaaayyyy! It’s “Pascal’s Wager,” a trivially debunked notion.
How about this: Give me $1,000. Why? Because if you don’t, the giant invisible sock monster who lives in your closet will eat you. If you give me the money, you’ll be out $1,000, but there’s a chance then that you’ll live. Might as well give me the money, right, and have a chance?
See? There’s EXACTLY the same amount of evidence for the giant invisible closet sock monster as there is for god. Which is to say zero.
The problem with Pascal’s Wager is that there’s a cost involved for believing: you have to waste a bunch of time at church, waste money tithing, etc. If there is no god, then you’ve squandered a bunch of precious time that you could otherwise have been using to enjoy life.
Being an atheist has all kinds of benefits: more money, sleeping in on Sunday, and the joy of being a more moral person than a Christian. Why’s that? Because I do good deeds because it’s obvious that it’s the right thing to do. Maximizing the amount of happiness in the world is self-evidently a good thing, so I do good and refrain from evil. Christians do good because they fear punishment if they don’t. An atheist’s motives are far more pure than a Christian.
Wow, this is quite a thread. I wonder if it is George Soros money funding the pinko commies who are overrunning this site. You may notice that there are large gaps of time between my postings. The reason for that is that I work. Apparently the lefties crashing this forum stay at home either as frumpy unfulfilled and unloved housewives or plain ole lazy freeloaders leaching off of the labor of others via welfare. When the founding fathers created this nation as a representative democracy, they were laughed at by most of the intelligencia in Europe. The prevailing logic at that time was that no democracy could last because eventually the people would learn they could simply vote themselves so many freebies that the whole system would collapse under its own weight. As much as it pains me to admit it, the eggheads were right and that day of collapse is soon upon us. obomanation is readying the final nails for her coffin.
There is nothing so expensive as free healthcare, free education, free medication, social security, welfare, medicare, medicaid, bailout after bailout after bailout…..
It’s all over folks.
“It’s all over folks.”
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Slick.
And yes, Me, you hit the nail on the head, along with COM, Nobama is lowering expectations and starting to cover his ass.
Slick, I consider myself a student of history. I have never, ever read anything to indicate that there was any sort of European school of thought that decried democracy as a destined-to-fail-under-the-weight-of-freebies experiment. You want to provide a citation for that?
TDB said on 6 Nov 2008 at 2:02 pm: Flag comment
I’m right on track with you and ALL of your posts. Thanks for the common sense and for saying the obvious (that those who voted for Nobama just don’t get)….
Dems can’t control their ebullience,
posters here showing huge lacj of brilliance,
the left’s baiting of clerics, the right’s hating hysterics,
our country’s sure gonna need some resilience.
a proofreading hack,
I meant to say ” lack”
COM and Alleycat,
I was just surprised that no one caught that and ran with it.
I for one did not drink the Obamaaid- I know if it sounds to good to be true it prob is.
Here is to hoping I am wrong.
AA
Try Socrates, Descartes, even our own James Madison (federalist papers). They all acknowledged the fatal flaw and as in the case of our country tried to protect against it through a little thing called the CONSTITUTION which specifically outlines what the federal govt CAN do. Nowhere in that document will you find education, social security free health care etc. Those things were to be left to the public to provide for OR to the states if they so desired to provide them. For someone who considers herself a student of history your knowledge seems woefully lacking. Thanks to the NEA and our whacked out reeducation camps also known as universities, you wouldn’t know what I’m talking about.
I was driving in Vienna at noon today and a passenger in a car came up on my left, leaned out of his car, gave me both middle fingers and yelled, “Obama, you f—ing b–tch!” I guess because of my McCain/Palin bumper sticker I haven’t had time to remove.
After reading these posts and then experiencing that little unprovoked assault, I truly am concerned about the future. I guess revenge is sweeter than victory for many folks.
Sad.
AA,
So, you think Christians are only moral because of faith? Or, only do good deeds because of faith? Wow.
AA, you crack me up with your desperate protests. Actually, your train of thought reminds me of something written by William Shakespeare.
Citi, you inquired -
“Why did you move from a “liberal” area to a conservative area? Was it that the taxes were too high? Not enough jobs? Crime too high? Life in general was poor?”
None of the above, actually. I came here for grad school annd stayed because my internship turned into a career.
BTW, I was born & raise in NJ. I left because its WAY too densely populated for my tastes, not because of taxes, crime, jobs, or anything else.
DportM, thank you for making my point for me. That’s always nice. You remember a single remark about Maureen’s hair. That in comparison to Chicko aka Elvis’s constant rants about the bodies of women on the Anti blog. Whether it is Chicko aka Elvis aka James doing it constantly, or someone on Anti doing it occasionally, it is equally childish and irrelevant.
Slick, you specifically said the Europeans laughed at our attempts. Socrates? Madison? Not European.
I don’t recall anything in the Federalist Papers, or by Descartes that specifically said Democracy would fail because people would demand free stuff. I’m sure you think it that it’s there, but unless you can provide an actual citation (which Descartes work? Which Paper?), I just don’t believe you.
citizen, do you deny that Christians’ motivation comes from the desire to avoid punishment? What do you think “god-fearing” means? I’m more moral, because I do good for reason other than fearing being spanked by the great sky daddy. I know it’s wrong to kill, lie, and steal, because it’s self-evident. Apparently you need to be told by a sky fairy that those things are wrong. Whatever it takes, I guess.
It’s going to be so awesome to have a president who’ll actually be able to pronounce words correctly and form coherent sentences. Eight years with that alcoholic, illiterate moron has been quite enough. Time to try someone educated for a change. It truly is morning in America.
The icing on the cake is watching all you racists squirm and cry.
Emma said on 6 Nov 2008 at 11:09 pm: Flag comment
Such a peaceful group, aren’t they? So full of love and joy! And this type of people will “bring us all together…” HA
Time to hit the “ignore” button on AA. Clearly psychotic (and racist).
Good Night, AA. Time for you and your precious “winky” to go to bed. You’ve cluttered up this blog quite enough for one day with declamations about your superior morality.
I Bleed Obama Blue said on 6 Nov 2008 at 11:42 pm: Flag comment
For God’s sake, go back to Jersey! I should have known!!!!
Tariq Nelson — 218 posts and much hell raising later, we all still love you as well. Best regards. Look forward to seeing you again soon on the battlefield of words. These blogs are beginning to remind me of that great old radio show “The Battling Bickersons.”
Tariq, go F yourself, racist moron.
My Goodness, BPCAYAMTYF, you can’t even try to yank AA’s chain playfully without some pompous pseudo-pedant trying to lay a major research project on you! Yeeeshhh!!!
Slick — Please tell me that you meant that post to Tariq as a special and unique term of endearment. Have you forgotten the motto: “Magnanimous in victory, gracious in defeat, and beat the bloody Hell out of them in the next go-around”?
“One thing Satan is counting on is that there are morons like you trying to convince the weak-minded that he doesn’t exist, and that some will actually believe you.”
LMFAO and recalling Dana Carvey’s “church Lady’ character.
You cannot accept that you do not know everything, so you choose to believe in demonstrably false fairy stories - and if you have children, I assume you do or would teach them that these fairy stories are literally true and that they should guide their entire lives around them.
And you think I’m the moron?
Human beings made those stories up, and used them to profiteer as well as to manipulate human behavior. To this day people make a nice living pretending they can talk to God and you believe them. It’s all pretty funny when you look at it from a distance and the joke’s on you.
Blue,
Too densly populated? Maybe you have not noticed but this area is pretty populated too, and some might consider it to be dense as well.
But you came for school and stayed for the job.
Liberals destroy areas and then move on. Yet, they can never figure out no matter where they go life gets worse.
Having lived in Florida for a number of years, I was sick and tired of hearing “how we do it back home” from the many snow birds NE liberals that would flock to Florida. I always said well if you want to do it as you did back home, go back home.
Emma said on 6 Nov 2008 at 11:09 pm: Flag comment
“I was driving in Vienna at noon today and a passenger in a car came up on my left, leaned out of his car, gave me both middle fingers and yelled, “Obama, you f—ing b–tch!” I guess because of my McCain/Palin bumper sticker I haven’t had time to remove.”
Maybe exercising your 2nd amendment right and showed him something with Pachmayr grips would have made him think otherwise.
Muttley, are you advising Emma to break Virginia code 18.2.282 on brandishing a weapon? As appalling as the other driver’s conduct was, Emma would have no self-defense to claim and thus would be breaking state law. Is that your advice?
Citi & Alley -
I really enjoy living here and I have no intention of destroying anything. I only want to make things better. That’s why, having taken down Jay O’brien last go-round, we’ll be gunning hard for Cuccinelli next time. I believe Republican have their place, and that is @ the margins of political power.
BTW, knowing how it chaps you Right-wing a$$e$ that I am a textbook example of why VA (even PWC) has turned blue is truly icing on my cake!
Far as I know, brandishing would be to point a weapon at someone. If you show anyone (including if it was holstered) it is not brandishing.
DportM said on 6 Nov 2008 at 12:43 pm: Flag comment
Anon,
I beg to differ with you. I specifically remember one of the far-left loons commenting on the color of Maureen’s hair after she spoke at one of the BOCS meetings.
Chicko is not Elvis.
Mighty Putty, Rick is not “Another Atheist,” so get off it already…
How do you know? I have to say, I have lost a lot of respect for my fellow conservative posters. You folks are easily fooled, and have let one person work you into a frenzy with his multiple personalities.
Silly Putty -
Just beacuse you’re paranoid doesn’t mean we’re not all out to get you!
Silly Putty -
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean we’re not all out to get you!
(I couldn’t help doing that …)
(Though it’s probably evil … like poking a stick at a mentally handicapped person …)
BPCAYAMTYF — “You cannot accept that you do not know everything, so you choose to believe in demonstrably false fairy stories…….”
Are you talking in your post about religion or about the Democrat Party?
Mighty Putty - the reason I know is because I know who Rick Bentley really is - and he isn’t “I Bleed Obama Blue.”
Is it really necessary to be so nasty? I think Rick is deluded about Obama, but I am not attacking him for his delusions.
Ah who cares if he thinks that. It might result in less of asinine attack posts, since he’ll just address one to the both of us instead of reacting to each every time one of us posts. Let him think everyone he doesn’t like are all the same person, actually.
Muttley, you are incorrect that brandishing means pointing the weapon at someone. It doesn’t mean that in terms of the ordinary sense of the word or under the Virginia code in question, although pointing is also a violation. Intent is also crucial, so it matters if you are trying to induce fear in the mind of the person.
I’m curious, do you open carry and find occasion to “show” your weapon when someone has behaved badly toward you in public? I guess you are right. If it were holstered, then it wouldn’t necessarily violate any code, though I don’t know. Or maybe it violates some other kind of law about implicit threats.
Correct,
I’m not Elvis or James whoever the hell that is. I’m sure we’ll have a hard time convincing those fools on the other blog for sure.
Wow, how this thread has degenerated. AA, you might do the gene pool a favor and keep your “winky” in your pants and out of this conversation.
Why is it so important to you to insult and debunk other people’s religious beliefs? It is disturbing that you just don’t seem to be able to let go of this issue. Could it be a cry for help, or just attention?
Emma,
I agree it’s gotten out of hand. With people popping in to dog McCain and proselyte for Obama it’s getting old.
Blue,
Tell me why people move from high tax, high crime areas etc like liberals do? Because liberals destory areas with their high taxes and criminal friendly areas.
Is it ironic that as soon as libs start to move into the area, taxes go up, crime goes up, smells go up, and traffic gets worse. Yup, you libs sure are special.
Keep it up and you will have nowhere left to go because liberal policies lead to a poor standard of living.
Don’t worry once your “one” has two years in office people will be flocking to the GOP.
Does the sight of a gun make you wet your pants and make your limp wrist go even more limp? HA HA.
Oh, how is your fellow anti-Semtic Congressman doing? You know Mr. Moron? Or, how about the former KKK member, Bryd, how is he doing? Do all you libs hate Jews? If not why do you keep electing people who are anti-Semtic and KKK members? Talk about the party of hate.
How stupid is obama? Though, I suppose given that he is a liberal, that is not hard to figure out. He insults a fomer first lady with a stupid joke that does not even apply to her in his first press conference. What a dumb a$$. He is going to spend more time over the next four years apologizing for opening up his pie hole and speaking without a teleprompter.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Obama_apologizes_to_Nancy_Reagan.html
Man, I am glad I did not vote for that buffoon.
obama and joe, a gaffe a minute.
Wolverine/Tariq/AA whoever u are
I meant what I said because that is truly how I feel. As for being gracious in defeat, I was not defeated, the republicans were not defeated, the American people were defeated. There is no grace in watching your country devolve into a third world banana republic. Now the pinko slime come on this site and want to make nice with us after having called us every imaginable insult. Ha! They (you?) do this because the obomanation actually won - a calamity even they never expected and they realize now we will do to them what they did to Bush, ie. tear him down so he cannot govern and they are sh##ing their pants. I will extend to them the same courtesy they gave us and so will the rest of my conservative brothers and sisters if they have any wits about them. I am only getting warmed up and their incessant provocations only fuel my desire for vengeance.
The obamanation stole the election and lied, lied, lied.
I was very moved by McCain’s concession speech, and was terribly disappointed to see that Obama was elected because there were so many people who did elect him just out of spite for the current administration.
But it was seeing all the local and congressional races that nearly gave me a panic attack. I couldn’t believe how all the races panned-out in PWC considering nearly every lawn in my neighborhood, nearly every car I see driving from my home to I-66 were plastered with McCain signs. Guess maybe the “blue” came from the city and Woodbridge?
Hey, Slick — I voted for McCain/Palin! Don’t give up the ship yet! You know as well as I do that this guy Obama made so many promises that, when he falls flat trying to come through, many, many of the marginal voters will come back to their senses and rejoin our side. We just regroup and get ready to take advantage of that. Just before the election, I made a long trip through Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, Kentucky, and West Virginia. Talked to a lot of people , read a lot of local rags, and watched a lot of local TV outlets. Astounding how many people claimed that they were voting for the Big O because they wanted “Change.” Only problem was that many of them couldn’t describe what the “Change” would be. One even claimed that “Change” meant going back to the way things used to be — whatever that means. Methinks there are going to be many disillusioned voters out there before too long. What the hey, we might even recruit Tariq one of these days.
I’ve seen many studies in the last few days. Most of them pretty much say that Obama won the election based on the number of african american voters who came out and actually voted. Hispanic voters factored in very little to his win from what I’ve seen. They actually took the hispanic voters out and he still would have won. However taking the african american vote out and he would have lost. This was based on exit polls I believe. I’m inclined to believe that race played a pretty big issue here, not necessarily the change thing. And for those that say that young voters had a major role, they didnt. Even if you took all the young voters out (based on exit polls) he still would have won.
I didnt vote for him, but we do have him now and have to live with the guy for 4 years. I think the first year will be very telling. How he handles the economy and the war his first few months in office will be very interesting. He’s really got a lot on his plate and plenty of opportunity to fall on his face. I hope he doesnt, I really hope for him to succeed but I’m not optimistic that he will. People of all religions and lack therof should be praying to someone/something for him to succeed as he’s gonna need it.
for those popping in here to gloat, you didnt win…he did. please return to the crazies on the other site (all 5 of them) and you can wallow in your “victory” there (or wallow in the pig slime like the pigs you are) sorry, I couldnt resist
citizenofmanassas, I was stunned at Obama’s unbelievably classless swipe at an ailing, elderly former First Lady who has suffered so much. That kind of comment would have been front-page news if McCain had been that much of a knucklehead at his very first press conference.
It is just those kinds of unscripted gaffes that feed the impression among many of how elitist and out of touch Obama really is. The Democrats are looking more and more like the party of retribution.
Emma,
Can’t agree more.
In fact it was just not his attack on Nancy that was bad, it was the fact he said he has spoken with all of the fomer Presidents, and then had to correct himself and say well at least those that are living. Also, it was not Nancy who did such things, it was Lincoln’s wife and Hillary who talked about doing stuff like that.
The COMPOST just pushed it off as no big deal.
Quite frankly, this thread has become rather exhausting. One seldom sees such vitriol, even at a Redskins-Cowboys game. Perhaps we should all back off for a bit and reassess who and what we have become:
OBAMA SUPPORTERS — You won this round. Be happy for yourselves. Get to work on the political promises made during the campaign. But please stop coming onto conservative-oriented blogs to gloat and call names. It is very unbecoming and ungenerous of you as the victors in a hard-fought contest. Some of you are beginning to remind me of the barbarians who conquered Rome. Instead of being satisfied with that conquest, they sacked the place. Real nice of them. I am sure they were remembered fondly for that. Take a lesson from the generosity of Americans after we defeated the Germans and Japanese in World War II (talk about a bitter fight). We helped them to rebuild and to establish democracies under their own control. We did not crap all over them — with the exception of the most cruel and unforgiveable war criminals.
CONSERVATIVES AND OTHER OBAMA OPPONENTS: We lost. They won. We’ll live to fight another day. Start organizing. Review the good points and the bad points of the battle just concluded and adjust accordingly. Do it in a calm and rational fashion. That is not to say that you should drop your opposition to the plans and policies of the new office holders. Quite the contrary, fight damn hard as the “Loyal Opposition” to stave off those things you sincerely feel may hurt the country. But stop the outrageous name-calling. Get serious and apply yourselves in ways which do not needlessly expend your energy as hate will invariably do. Is what the other side did to Bush for eight years something you really wish to emulate? You’re better than that. Good armies don’t talk alot. They just fight efficiently and effectively and keep their emotions largely in check while doing so.
AFRICAN-AMERICANS: Celebrate. You have made history that will resound through the ages. You might be surprised at how many of us who oppose Obama on political principle also harbor a satisfaction that African-Americans have climbed over a great racial barrier and helped to fulfill finally one of the earliest promises of our democratic system. At least for the moment, cast aside the politics and let the rest of us celebrate with you. You also might be surprised to find that very many of us really don’t give a damn what color Obama is. You should count that as a victory in and of itself. You might find that someone like me — an old white guy — would have jumped at the chance to see Michael Steele or someone like him on the ballot. Sure I support him because of his political views. But I must admit that, in his case, his color did indeed count for me but only in the fact that it would have given me great satisfaction to have been more closely linked to you in the climb over that final barrier. So please stop with the racial backlash. Please stop with the “rascist” and “redneck” slurs. Build on what you have achieved. Obama has a tremendous task in front of him. He will not be helped if he has to contend with an undercurrent of continuing racial antagonism among the people he serves. Like many of you, I grew up in the era of Martin Luther King. Ask yourselves how he would have handled this great victory. Would he have sought to calm the situation or would he have lorded it all over the other side because of past differences? I think you know what the answer is. He was a genuine American hero of the first magnitude, and heroes tend to do the right thing.
LIBERAL WOMEN: What gives with you all? You had a similar chance to crack a great barrier by nominating and electing Hillary. Many of you turned it down. I can’t fault you if you did it because you felt Obama had a better chance of winning. That’s politics. But, then, along comes Sarah Palin. She also represented a chance to begin cracking that barrier. What did many of you do? Instead of responding with grace and with recognition that another one of yours was now so very close to the top, you trashed her with a viciousness seldom seen even in our rough-and-tumble politics. She was called names that I wouldn’t address to a streetwalker. She was totally dissed by many, and you either participated in that feeding frenzy or stood by as the media and liberal males verbally violated her in every way possible. So you didn’t agree with her political ideology. Was it beyond you to simply state that you stood in political opposition to her viewpoint and to calmly and rationally work toward victory for your side. Was it necessary for some of you to call her “stupid” and “brainless” and even, as some have done, “trailer trash”? Why in the world would you stand by and let any woman be scourged by the media and party operatives as she was — her pregnant daughter; the so-called Troopergate thing; one lousy interview with Katie Couric; etc. Did you not notice that the males in the campaign were able to escape a lot of that same stuff? Talk about a double standard! And you bought into it for political gain!
ATHEISTS AND SELF-ANNOINTED RATIONALISTS: Go home! Nobody wants to hear your rantings and ravings about Christian believers. You have become downright Pecksniffian and increasingly insufferable. If you want to follow the atheist or rational path, fine. If you feel it necessary to debate with Christians over the role of religion in our national life, feel free to do so in a calm and reasoned manner. But knock off the sneers and the insults. Knock off the snide remarks about what you believe to be the gullibility of Christians. You show yourselves to be purely a bunch of pot stirrers who appear to take a perverse delight in raising the hackles of others. We’ve got enough problems in our country without you trying to foment religious wars. And, incidentally, in all your ranting, when did you ever attack the beliefs of our Jewish or Islamic brothers? And when did you ever zero in on all those great African-American preachers and congregants who believe in the same Bible as other Christians? No, you have to ding on white, conservative Christians only. Not that I advocate an expansion of your attacks, but the absence of them does demonstrate that you have a real cowardly bent.
Nuff said.
Wolverine - Great post.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the oval office the first week of Obama’s Presidency. My, my, my, is he in for a big surprise. He’s going to have to work, non-stop. He’s going to have Reid, Pelosi and Shuman(sp) yakking and whining in his ear non-stop. No more teleprompters, no more crowds of thousands cheering at his every breath….he’s in for a rude awakening. Oh, and when he gets the daily briefings on terrorists threats against the U.S., he’s going to have to change his pants.
Concrete4 —
Thanks for your kind words. There was a time not too long ago when tracking down terrorists was my main job. I sincerely hope that the new president does not “have to change his pants” when the terrorist threat reports are presented to him. We all may disagree with a thousand things proposed by this guy during the campaign, but I will tell you we had better hope that, in this instance especially, he quickly develops nerves of steel. The man will have the lives of all of us in his hands. Forget politics. Those who are religiously inclined should pray that he makes the right decisions at the right time.
What I personally found so sad during the past eight years is that, after the tragedy of 9/11, GW Bush made a whole lot of right decisions on the counterterrorism issue and never seemed to get a lick of gratitude from the opposition — just a pile of crap at every turn. On many other things I was never a big fan of GWB. But, by all that is holy , I and my family and you and your family and everybody else in this great country did NOT become terrorist victims during the rest of his watch. Give credit where credit is due.
If you were a fly on the wall, I suspect you might see the in-coming president, after being fully informed on the war against terrorism, turn to the out-going president and say: “Mr. President, I know we savaged you pretty badly during the campaign but, having seen all this, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for keeping all of us safe.”
Mr. Obama is about to become a part of that exceedingly small fraternity where, as Harry Truman once said, “The buck stops here.” In this case, he will have to do everything he can to ensure that the “buck” does not have American blood on it when it arrives at his desk. Let us all hope he succeeds. Whatever you make think of Bush, in this particular instance he will be a very hard act to follow. This is being told to you by someone who has seen the handiwork of terrorists. It is not something to be taken lightly, no matter where you may stand on our political spectrum.