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By Greg L | 15 November 2008 | Uncategorized | 46 Comments

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46 Comments

  1. Curoius said on 15 Nov 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    Sooo… who else thinks George Bush will displace Herbert Hoover as the worse President in the history of the United States.

  2. Rob Smalls said on 15 Nov 2008 at 3:16 pm:
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    Has anybody been to a gun shop lately? Virginia Arms is doing business like gangbusters, and apparently the trend is nationwide. Something like a 50% increase in background checks in the week following the election compared to the same period last year.

  3. Anchor Baby said on 15 Nov 2008 at 3:40 pm:
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    Tuesday the BOCS will be holding a vote regarding a new indoor shooting range in Woodbridge. I encourage all persons here that are supporters of 2A rights and of business in general to ask your supervisor to approve the special use permit.

    My only concern is that the current special use permit (based on input provided by PWCPD) calls for citizens to disarm themselves in the parking lot to carry unloaded pistols and rifles in locked storage before entering the facility. Law enforcement officers are exempt from this requirement.

    Clearly that’s against state law and is contrary to our rights as citizens to carry loaded firearms with us freely.

    So, push the BOCS to pass this permit without the PD added stipulations that will do nothing but disarm persons in a known high-crime, gang area.

  4. Old Soldier said on 15 Nov 2008 at 3:59 pm:
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    I went into Virginia Arms last earlier this week and the walls were empty. It appears there was a run on assault rifles.

  5. Anonguy said on 15 Nov 2008 at 4:15 pm:
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    Curious, While I am very disappointed in a lot of what GW did or didn’t do during his 2nd term, he is far from “the worst president in history”. If you are referring to the state of the economy, you should do a little research before pinning it all on Bush. The election is over. Facts should matter now. Facts point to Congressional failure to properly regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, which where headed by former Clinton people, and Barney Frank’s butt-buddy. There’s also the pressure placed on banks by groups like ACORN to make bad loans to those who had no chance at repaying if home values dropped. There’s the greedy lendors and mortgage brokers who helped these people get loans, and there’s the ignorant people who actually took out the loans. There’s the american people who spend too much, and save too little, carry too much debt. There’s the stupid insurance companies who insured this debt. There’s the management of the auto-makers and the unions who painted themselves into a corner years ago. There’s the former GOP and current Democrat congresses who spent money like drunken sailors in a panamanian port.

    There’s a TON of blame to go around. Government bailouts and redistribution of wealth will only treat the symptoms. The cure starts with each american looking to their own finances first, demanding fiscal responsibility from our elected government.

    Bottom Line: It wasn’t the government that took out all of that debt, it’s us. Like alcoholics, we must stop blaming others. Fix our own finances and stop depending on Washington to solve our problems. Trust them? What fools we are.

  6. es_la_ley said on 15 Nov 2008 at 4:59 pm:
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    Rob Smalls and Old Soldier,

    Haven’t been to Virginia Arms recently, but I do go to the Guns & Ammo Warehouse almost every weekend.

    I see a lot of ‘first-time buyers’ there. Their new guns, as well as used and ‘on consignment’ guns, are selling like hotcakes. And the prices are going up!

    Buy while you afford it. Yeesh!

  7. Slick said on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:01 pm:
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    James Carter - worst EVER and now his new clone the racist, America hating, closet muslim obamanation is soon to take his place.

  8. BothgPartiesColludeAgainstUsAndMarketToYourFears said on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:04 pm:
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    I’m reading “State of Denial”, Woodward’s book from first-hand sources about the mishandling of Iraq. Before you say anything even remotely nice about Bush, you should read it.

    He’s an irresponsible buffoon.

  9. Dave in PWC said on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:11 pm:
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    Speaking as a former drunken sailor, there are no ports in Panama that I would like to spend money in.

  10. es_la_ley said on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:34 pm:
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    BothgPartiesColludeAgainstUsAndMarketToYourFears said on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:04 pm:

    He’s an irresponsible buffoon.

    That’s what I think too. Truer words were never said about Woodward.

  11. Justwatching said on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:56 pm:
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    James Carter is on the short list, he left Reagan with unemployment of
    ~7.6%, and interest rates that look large by those of today.
    Anonguy is on target. Where, or who says Bob Woodward’s book is the gold standard? Every person that puts pen to pad is not brilliant by any stretch. Just think about some of the past world leaders that have written a book in the last 80 years or so, ehh?

  12. manassascityresident said on 15 Nov 2008 at 6:54 pm:
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    Bush won me on the war on terror…..Bush lost me on Amnesty. Why fight a war thousands of miles away, if you’re going to keep the back door open at home….

  13. chicko said on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:02 pm:
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    I bought a gun there a couple weeks ago, you are right..the prices are rising. It took a little while to complete the checks too, usually they come right back. I’m looking for an assault rifle, when I was there they had a really cool bushmaster for about 1200.00 or so. I gotta get back there to see if they still have it.

  14. chicko said on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:05 pm:
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    Dave,

    I LOVE panama. I had a great time there back around the mid 90’s. It was fun but I wouldnt want to live there. Personally I thought Cartagena Columbia was a better port, my money seemed to go farther there.

  15. Rob Smalls said on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:19 pm:
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    Dave in PWC -

    I was a WestPac submarine sailor, never had the occasion to visit Central or South America. Spending my drunken dollars in Singapore and Australia were the highlight of my career.

    As far as the current run on firearms, I’ll wait until after Christmas when inventories are up and prices are back down before deciding on an AR for purchase. Congress won’t be able to get anything together for months - if ever - regarding new restrictions on firearms. But I find the urgency of people buying right now to be very telling on what they think new Congressional sessions will turn their attention to.

  16. Dave in PWC said on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:23 pm:
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    chicko,

    We had a blast in Cartagena as well along with Rio. We didn’t have any fun in Panama as the Navy wouldn’t let us stray far due to unrest in the early 80’s.

    Went through the canal to the Pacific then, had a Vietnam gunboat in the lock ahead of us, one in the lock behind us and two in the locks with us.

  17. Dave in PWC said on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:31 pm:
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    Rob,

    Half my career was in the Pac. Plenty of good times in the Phillipines, Perth and Singapore as well. Perth was the best for me.

    Thinking of getting a handgun myself for home protection. Any words of wisdom between a .45 and a 9mm?

  18. freedom said on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:47 pm:
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    BPC, I’m like you….I never did think much of Bob Woodward either…he’s like a frickin’ willow in the wind!

  19. freedom said on 15 Nov 2008 at 8:00 pm:
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    Oh Slick, but you forget, when they try to think of the “worst president,” they hope we’ll all forget about and not even THINK about Jimmy Carter and the absolute mess that HE left. Even IRAN laughed at the goofball…while at home, we were paying 13% interest on home mortgages!

  20. chicko said on 15 Nov 2008 at 8:25 pm:
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    On the gun caliber it depends; I personally use a 10mm for home protection. Big caliber and it packs a lot of punch if you use the correct loads (most commercial 10mm is weak, get some good hand-loads, but not too hot to exceed the sami spec’s)

    I would take a good .45 over a 9mm for home protection, since all it’s doing is sitting in the drawer. I carry a .40 every day, I would prefer that caliber over any other for a general purpose weapon. Depending on your build carrying a .45 around could get cumbersome (unless you get the glock slimline)

    so to answer your question, a .45 for home protection. Save the 9mm for carry or better yet go with a .40. Just my opinion of course, I’m sure others have their own as well.

  21. BothgPartiesColludeAgainstUsAndMarketToYourFears said on 15 Nov 2008 at 11:29 pm:
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    Jimmy Carter was horrible

    Bush was horrible

    We can do better than either

  22. Groveton said on 15 Nov 2008 at 11:54 pm:
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    Johnson was bad, Andrew Johnson. Probably Lyndon too.

  23. junes_reston said on 16 Nov 2008 at 7:14 am:
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    LEGALIZATIN BEGINS: The Homeland Security Agency quietly slid it through, right under our noses, with something as simple as a Homeland Security “rule.”

    Homeland Security Agency (with the blessing of Congress and this administration), as a concession to small businesses, initiated a new rule.

    Under a rule published 11/14/2008, the agency said only Federal Contracts $100,000 or more will be required to use an electronic government system to check the work documents of new hires. Originally, officials had proposed that companies doing $3,000 in federal work must comply.

    This new rule significantly scales back its planned crackdown on federal contractors that hire illegal immigrants.

    Under this new rule, it should not come as a surprise to learn of a flood of $99,999 Federal Contracts, staffed with illegal aliens.

    This rule went into effect at a time when millions of Americans are losing their jobs and subsequently, there is absolutely no incentive to hire American workers.

    Contracts under $100,000 are no longer held to Federal Employment laws (indirectly), and there is no fear of ICE Raids - they have been given a free pass.

    And then Congress wonders why Americans don’t trust the government.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111403388.html

  24. freedom said on 16 Nov 2008 at 7:49 am:
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    Well, come to think of it, as the second President in the history of our nation to be impeached, Mr Billy-boy Clinton wasn’t so great either. What a legacy HE left (on her blue dress)….:(

  25. Dave in PWC said on 16 Nov 2008 at 9:03 am:
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    Chicko,

    Thanks for the opinion on the handgun caliber. I’m not concerned with having to carry it anywhere other than to and from the range so the bulk and weight won’t matter to me. But it was something that I hadn’t thought of so thank you for that train of thought.

    I trained with the .45 in the military back in the stone age so I understand the stopping power of it.

  26. Rob Smalls said on 16 Nov 2008 at 11:26 am:
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    Dave in PWC,

    I concur with chicko - a .45 is probably the best bet for home protection. Good caliber, easy-to-find home defense rounds, and a long history of reliability.

    If you want a .45, a 1911 - preferably a Colt, but I hear good things about the S&W too - is the best way to go; easy to shoot, reliable, a cinch to clean. Just a good old-fashioned handful of awesome. They haven’t changed the design in almost a hundred years, because they don’t have to.

    There are a lot of 9mm models to choose from. I tend to favor the Sig-Sauer models. Since they have full metal frames, they feel beefier and are easier to control. VA Arms has a Sig P229 (I think) in 9mm on consignment right now. Or they did the weekend before the election. It was priced pretty fairly - it could be gone now.

  27. Anchor Baby said on 16 Nov 2008 at 2:29 pm:
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    I open/conceal carry a .40 and depending on the where I’m shopping/travelling to I also carry a 9mm in an ankle holster.

    The .40 provides with more than sufficient stopping power in a defensive situation. If things get so bad that I have to fall back to my backup gun than I hope someone’s already called the police because the stuff has already hit the fan.

    The 9mm provides more ammo vs. stopping power. It’s good for police officers where you might not want to kill your target but have enough ammo to last the encounter.

    Besides, many studies have shown that citizens using firearms are more accurate with shot placement than civilian law enforcement.

    My view: .40 or .45 for defensive open/concealed carry (the .45 is slightly harder to conceal). A 9mm is ‘fine’ but I don’t think you’ll expand that many rounds in a defensive situation.

  28. Emma said on 16 Nov 2008 at 4:58 pm:
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    Did anyone read the Prince William Extra article today about the Old Town revitalization effort? I have to wonder why some of the $670,000 in public funds is being used to extend the sidewalk in in front of Okra’s and Carnello’s 13 feet to allow them to offer outdoor dining. I don’t get the impression these businesses have to contribute anything to this effort except their usually mediocre food. Am I reading this wrong, or is this yet more old-boy network favoritism?

    I remember when dining at Carmello’s used to be an elegant evening event. Now it’s no better than your average family restaurant–noisy, rushed and the food quality is inconsistent for the price. Why are we paying to expand their business? Perhaps I’m missing something here.

  29. Vigilant1 said on 16 Nov 2008 at 7:02 pm:
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    chicko @15 Nov 2008 at 8:25 pm: Flag comment

    The .45 will provide “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” without a doubt!

  30. Vigilant1 said on 16 Nov 2008 at 7:04 pm:
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    Are you surprised by the HS decision. HS will do the minimum and tell you it is doing the maximum. WHAT A FARSE!

  31. junes_reston said on 17 Nov 2008 at 9:25 am:
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    No, not really, I am however surprised that American citizens are so non-chalant. These are their jobs that are on the line. Apparently, it is not a concern - even among the unemployed.

    Or maybe Americans have just given up and accepted that some 25M + illegal aliens will be legalized and enter the work force. If Americans don’t care, than I guess I’m just spitting into the wind.

    It’s been said that when the American Economy does a slow down (or nose dive) that’s when Americans step up to the plate and we see the number of small businesses surge.

    Instead of fighting this, maybe it’s time to jump into the game. Bidding on Federal Contracts less than $100,000, we can bill at American Citizen wages, hire illegal aliens at half the hourly rate, and take advantage of the windfall profits - all without any risk of raid, sanction or fine.

    This may be the wave of the future. Adapt or sink!

  32. junes_reston said on 17 Nov 2008 at 9:33 am:
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    Greg, maybe it would be a good idea to start a new thread of possible small business opportunities that would meet the criteria for Federal Contract approval.

    Surely some of the regulars on this forum know the basics of Federal Contracts and would be willing to offer a crash course.

    If HSA waives hiring requirements for Federal contracts, state or county contracts will no doublt also be “safe” - so maybe the list could be expanded to include county and state contracts.

  33. Advocator said on 17 Nov 2008 at 11:33 am:
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    I provided the PWC BOCS with a draft resolution on contracting over a year ago. It mirrored the original federal requirements: 100% verification of the workforce with e-verify, as well as certification to the legality of any principles residing with the US. I can get no answer regarding its status. I imagine Stephen Fuller counseled against it, since he would have a stake in insuring illegal aliens continue to work on government contracts.

    It’s my understanding that neither state nor county contractors have ever had to verify their workforces with e-verify. The only requirement is that they not “knowingly” hire illegals. That’s an unenforceable requirement.

  34. junes_reston said on 17 Nov 2008 at 12:18 pm:
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    Now they can use the Fairfax County verification method: “hmmm, looks good to me.” But that only applies to contracts over $100,000. Below that you can copy anything and put it in the field - even make up a SSN if they want without worry now that these contracts are exempt from Raids, Sanctions, or Fines.

    Advocator, it looks like you’ve been doing it all worng - you have to go with the flow. We’re going into a new Adminstration with different “rules.” If it feels good, do it! Just dont’ make more than $250,000 a year.

  35. Muttley said on 17 Nov 2008 at 2:13 pm:
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    I have always thought that having a revolver handy is a good home use weapon (no safety). Unfortunately, nothing can beat a Winchester Defender with 00-buck or bird-shot as even a 9MM will penetrate these thin walls of today’s homes and end up in your neighbors house. A 357 Magnum is nice, but after 1 shot without hearing protection, it will leave you deaf (not to mention setting off the smoke detectors - which you won’t be able to hear anyway).

  36. Wolverine said on 17 Nov 2008 at 3:35 pm:
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    I agree with Anonguy concerning the causes for our current economic travails. We can pile on old George W. Bush as much as we want; but there are an awful lot of citizens and non-citizens in this country who, if they want to identify all the culprits, ought to start looking in the mirror. Even if not all of us were active participants in this mess, too many just stood by while the politicians and Wall Street people played self-profiting games with our money.

  37. Buckeye said on 17 Nov 2008 at 4:23 pm:
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    Wolverine:

    Even though I wholeheartedly agree with you today, you must take immediate steps and prepare for defeat and humiliation Saturday.

  38. Tyler Durden said on 17 Nov 2008 at 4:33 pm:
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    Big gun show at the Dulles Expo this Friday, Sat, and Sunday. $12 entry fee.

    My recommendations: A Yugoslavian SKS (cheap Commie carbine) and a thousand rounds in the event of social chaos and something in a 9mm, .40, .45, or even a 10mm depending on how it feels to you for close work. But Muttley’s point about shooting thru your neighbors’ walls is well taken.

    If anyone knows where I can get 10 ga shotgun ammo, please advise.

  39. Wolverine said on 17 Nov 2008 at 5:08 pm:
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    Buckeye, quit rubbing it in! So we didn’t do so good this year. So we dropped one to Northwestern last week. So even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. You just wait until Rodriguez starts recruiting all those Ohio high schoolers again and learns ‘em how to operate a wide-open offense. You are going to start seeing some red and silver end-of-year huffing and puffing in Columbus like you’ve never seen before. OSU might have to put Division III schools on their schedule just so they don’t blow all their wind before they have to face real men once again. And, ahem, might I just mention the last few January bowl games for the red and silver with those silly-looking stickers all over their helmets? Might I mention which was the last team to beat Florida, huh, huh?

  40. Wolverine said on 17 Nov 2008 at 5:15 pm:
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    One last comment, Buckeye: GO BLUE!

  41. 40 years in Woodbridge said on 17 Nov 2008 at 7:19 pm:
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    Fairfax Co Sheriffs office applied for the 287 g program? I must have slept through that.

    http://www.dcexaminer.com/local/Illegal-immigration_program_suspended_in_Fairfax_County.html

    Looks like that application was denied and they are working on a program for in the jails?

  42. Rob Smalls said on 18 Nov 2008 at 11:42 am:
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    Tyler -

    The Yugo SKS is by far my favorite rifle. The ultimate SHTF tool.

  43. 40 years in Woodbridge said on 18 Nov 2008 at 10:58 pm:
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    SUP for Shooter’s Range was approved 7 for 1 opposed….Principi voted against it stating he isn’t opposed to shooting ranges just not at this location. I don’t believe that statement because of his line of “questioning” towards the applicant as well as other requiements he tried to make him agree to.

    The peoples rights to carry remain in tact even though Principi tried to side step that one by making the applicant “promise” to work it into their rules not part of the SUP that you can’t carry into their establishment….that didn’t work.

    Thank you Corey Stewart for looking out for our rights bear arms and looking out for a businessman that was being strong armed at the hands of Principi. Thank you to Maureen Caddigan for enthusiastically jumping in to bring the motion forward as well as offering to be there for a ribbon cutting when Principi said he was voting against it. Thank you to the rest of the BOCS who voted for this establishment.

  44. Greg L said on 19 Nov 2008 at 1:08 am:
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    Here’s something unusual I ran across doing research. There really are some nuts out there.

    “There is no doubt that the countless acts of property destruction in the passed week were committed by frustrated/pissed off queers. People are acting up on their own. We would rather fight than continue to support organizations and politicians that do not represent our vision of the Queerest world possible.”

    “A very short and incomplete list of recent strikes against homophobes:

    Salt Lake City:

    At least 8 Mormon Churches “Vandalized”

    Layton/Ogden:

    7 Mormon Churches had windows shot out with a BB Gun

    San Diego:

    Mormon Church Vandalized to shouts of, “Mormon Scum!”

    Sacramento:

    10 Mormon Churches have been “vandalized”

    Colorado:

    A Mormon Bible was burned and left on the steps of a church

    Olympia:

    Clandestine Bash Back! operatives glue locks and spray paint Mormon Church

    Michigan:

    Bash Back! disrupts Mt. Hope Church service

    DC:

    Radical Queers march without a permit to protest the g20 summit.

    We hope that these events inspire each and every disenfranchised trans/queer person, and all oppressed people, to take power into their own hands.”

    Source: DC Indymedia at http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/144745/index.php

  45. Wolverine said on 19 Nov 2008 at 6:00 pm:
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    THE BAD NEWS: 92 merchant ships attacked by Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden thus far in 2008. The Gulf of Aden has become the modern Barbary Coast.

    THE GOOD NEWS: The Indian Navy frigate INS Tabar just engaged pirates attacking an oil tanker in the Gulf of Aden, sank the pirates’ “mother ship” and drive off the rest of the thieves.

    Nice to see that somebody out there still has guts and brains! Go India!!!

  46. Dave in PWC said on 19 Nov 2008 at 9:07 pm:
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    Wolverine,

    A few years ago near Indonesia a submarine was on the surface heading into a port call about six hours out from the port and around midnight or so a “pirate” ship ordered the sub to stop and be boarded. The sub CO laughed and figured they were talking to someone else in the shipping lanes until bullets pinged off the HY80 steel common on most Navy subs. The OOD on the bridge opened up with the .50 machine gun and chased them away. The story goes that they put a spotlight on the sub and turned tail and hauled butt the other way. Good thing the Navy didn’t have to waste a $800,000 torpedo on the pirate when a .50 caliber would do the trick.

    It takes about an hour to weld an inch of HY80 steel in the shipyard. That’s how tough it is.

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