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Supervisors Approve New Indoor Shooting Range

By Greg L | 19 November 2008 | Prince William County | 30 Comments

On a 7-1 vote this evening the Prince William Board of County Supervisors approved the Special Use Permit for a shooting range to operate at the former site of Shooter’s Paradise on Route One.  The range will provide training support for local law enforcement, and even space for a police substation in addition to being available to Prince William County residents, making this an exceptional deal for taxpayers and law enforcement alike.

The only dissenting vote? Frank Principi, predictably.  This guy is truly an embarrasment.

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  1. Thumper said on 19 Nov 2008 at 2:07 am:
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    What was his objection? Guns are bad?

  2. Anonymous said on 19 Nov 2008 at 2:08 am:
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    Cool! Now I’m not limited to Bull Run Shooting center.

  3. chicko said on 19 Nov 2008 at 7:48 am:
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    frank is a tool, that’s about all you can really call him. Either that or “hilda lite”

    what a retard!

  4. starryflights said on 19 Nov 2008 at 8:24 am:
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    It appears that Principi is accepting of illegal alien gang members carrying weapons in his Woodbridge slum, just not law abiding citizens.

  5. starryflights said on 19 Nov 2008 at 11:17 am:
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    Thank goodness we have Stewart to rein in Principi’s attempts at overstepping our laws by having the owner of this new establishment publicly agree to whatever Principi puts in front of him. Shame on Principi! When Principi was running for Supervisor, I missed the “KING” in front of his name…ROTFLOL!

  6. Advocator said on 19 Nov 2008 at 11:49 am:
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    Make your own “Dump Principi” bumper stickers at Makestickers.com

  7. porter said on 19 Nov 2008 at 12:22 pm:
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    If Woodbridge is to be cleaned up, we can’t have a shooting range in an area close to a high crime neighorhood. Doesn’t make any sense to vote for shooting range when you just had a murder behind building. Where would police get money for sub station when they are cutting back. Space is the least cost of substation.
    I think Prinicpi showed guts in voting against a business that does not belong close to schools, daycare centers and churches.

    [Ed note: the IP address for this comment maps to Prince William County government. Go figure.]

  8. DportM said on 19 Nov 2008 at 12:37 pm:
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    Has anyone noticed that the majority of crimes committed in Prince William County are in Principi’s district? Just what is he doing to protect his constituents, if anything at all?

  9. chicko said on 19 Nov 2008 at 1:36 pm:
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    Principi is doing nothing to protect the citizens of his area. Is it any one wonder he got elected on the coat-tails of Hilda? Is it a surprise that during Hilda’s watch Woodbridge turned into a hole? Principi is just carrying the torch for broom hilda and ensuring that the neighborhood stays crappy and ensures the illegals get a “nice” place to stay.

    The shooting range is necessary. Maybe armed people wandering around will be good for the area. I used to shoot there all the time before the old place burned down and it was a blast. Just because the idiot doesnt like guns is no reason to dissaprove, good thing the other supervisors out voted him.

    Principi only protects the constituents that CAUSE the crime, not those that are trying to be protected from it.

    Thanks Franky for making woodbridge “nice” for us!!

  10. Thumper said on 19 Nov 2008 at 2:24 pm:
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    porter, Mr. Anderson (Business Owner) is giving them space for substation. Apparently it’s going to be free so only thing police have to provide is a computer for officers to work on. Most officers would just be happy with place to call their own that they can eat in and update paperwork in. If that’s all it is, it’s still better for community to have those police cars visible at the mall.

    Also, I’ve been told by people that at first, other mall stores were hesitant when Shooter’s Paradise opened. However, once riffraff figured out that law abiding citizens with guns were around, they disappeared and paying customers came back. I’ve been told stores in the mall were nothing but ecstatic that a range was coming back. Police Officers who patrol that area always said area around Shooter’s Paradise was pretty much Crime free when range was in operation and they knew once range closed it’s doors for the day, riffraff would start to come back into area.

    Churches, Daycare Centers and Schools have no place in this. Guns are not going to jump out of display cases and run down to School and start shooting.

  11. Bonapart said on 19 Nov 2008 at 2:26 pm:
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    Porter says, “If Woodbridge is to be cleaned up, we can’t have a shooting range in an area close to a high crime neighorhood.”

    Can anyone make any sense out of that statement? If so, please explain it to me.

  12. Johnson said on 19 Nov 2008 at 3:05 pm:
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    We need more ranges, not less. Fear of inanimate objects (firearms, etc.) is a sign of insanity.

  13. Slick said on 19 Nov 2008 at 3:52 pm:
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    What a jerk! Just add that to the growing list of reasons we need to dump this loser next election.

  14. porter said on 19 Nov 2008 at 5:13 pm:
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    Would this have been supported by Mike May and Corey if it were in Tackets Mill?

  15. Anonymous said on 19 Nov 2008 at 5:15 pm:
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    Will this be public?

  16. Horrid Mischief said on 19 Nov 2008 at 5:21 pm:
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    I emailed this letter to Principi before the vote and CC’s Chairman at large Corey Stweart:

    Mr. Principi,

    I recently moved into Woodbridge and fully support the proposed new gun range to be built nearby. Currently there or no firearms ranges in PWC close to Woodbridge and open to the public. Only the NRA range in Fairfax, or three others located in Springfield, Chantilly and Fredericksburg are “close”; all almost thirty minutes drive-time away from Dale City/Woodbridge. I am an NRA certified pistol instructor and regularly teach new shooters the basics of marksmanship and firearms safety. This range will benefit Prince William County greatly as shooters will now have a local range to patronize, as well as the teaching facilities to ensure gun safety classes are widely available.

    Additionally, the police sub-station will help alleviate crime in one of the worst areas in PWC.

    I urge you to support the range, and ask that if you feel you cannot support it to furnish me and your other constituents the reasons for your opposition.

    [My Info Redacted]

    No response from Principi but I did get a nice note back from Chairman Stewart:

    Thank you for your e-mail, I plan to fully support the Shooters Range application without delay at the Public Hearing this evening. It is a positive for commercial development and the taxpayers of Prince William County.


  17. Here we Go Again said on 19 Nov 2008 at 5:22 pm:
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    I hope that everyone gets the message on Principi.Some people knew from the beginning he was led by Barg. Thats her gift to Woodbridge,. We could have done without her and now her puppet.

    Porter from the County????Sounds like the one that is on Housing or Social Services. These loose Liberals need to go hide somewhere.

    The first Shooting Place was great for the Plaza and I am sure the remaining businesses there are looking forward to this one coming in. Hooray for Corey and Maureen who was correct in making the motion to Approve.

    Principi gets Dumber every day.

    We need a Good candidate next time and I don’t think Royce will do.He would be as bad as Principi.

  18. dumfries/mont clair--Its the same damn place! said on 19 Nov 2008 at 5:24 pm:
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    Porter I agree with your point. Lets plan another indoor shooting range in Fortuna Center Plaza by Mont Clair, it would fit nicely between Target and Five Guys. Maybe another in the new shopping center with the Wegmans off of Opitiz Blvd, there is def plenty of space. Would the BOCS approve the locations of those ranges? Don’t think so.

  19. chicko said on 19 Nov 2008 at 5:58 pm:
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    it’s a public range of course,

    from what I’ve seen it’s going to be state of the art and far closer to me than going to quantico or the NRA range. I love to burn through ammo and hate nothing more than to drive a long way to do it, it’s not only part of my job but it’s a hobby as well and I really enjoy it (as well as the social aspect of meeting with other shooters). I could easily see how having armed persons around the parking lot would help with keeping the scum away from business.

  20. Here we Go Again said on 19 Nov 2008 at 7:02 pm:
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    NOTE!!!!! Curtus Porter is on the Housing Board. Can check Principi’s newwoodbridge.com and click page for Boards and Commissions and there he is. Must be him. Most of his appointees are as thick headed as he is.

  21. BattleCat said on 19 Nov 2008 at 7:28 pm:
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    Frank Principi for BOCS…..when you just don’t care anymore!!

  22. chicko said on 19 Nov 2008 at 7:49 pm:
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    aint that nice…A prince-william county employee (and supporter of principi) posting on a blog. Get back to work porter and stop using county resources to blog, remember we are paying your salary.

    Wonder if frankie and hilda post here? wouldnt doubt if they did, I know the twisted ones from the other blog do all the time but it’s pretty easy to spot those sicko’s. Frankie isnt going to win the next election so he should stop the funky decorating job in his office.

  23. Loudoun Insider said on 19 Nov 2008 at 8:02 pm:
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    Good catch, Greg! I caught a few Loudoun employees doing this as well. What an idiot.

  24. Pourshot said on 19 Nov 2008 at 9:18 pm:
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    It is not Jack Anderson….its Jack Andresen

  25. Slick said on 20 Nov 2008 at 1:46 pm:
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    Hey Porter where are you now? Why don’t you post some more on the tax payers dime you witless parasite.

  26. anon said on 20 Nov 2008 at 1:54 pm:
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    No police are going to sit in a building with a bunch of other armed citizens there also. Not going to happen. They will go to the other substation right up the street where they can be left to do their work.

    Did you know that at Shooter’s Paradise there were two suicides there? No police officer is going to use that substation, sit there and write reports with a bunch of armed people walking around.

  27. Anchor Baby said on 21 Nov 2008 at 4:18 pm:
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    Wow. Scared of armed citizens just walking around? Really… Here’s some food for thought.

    “Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck, using surveys and other data, has determined that armed citizens defend their lives or property with firearms against criminals approximately 1 million times a year. In 98 percent of these instances, the citizen merely brandishes the weapon or fires a warning shot. Only in 2 percent of the cases do citizens actually shoot their assailants. In defending themselves with their firearms, armed citizens kill 2,000 to 3,000 criminals each year, three times the number killed by the police. A nationwide study by Don Kates, the constitutional lawyer and criminologist, found that only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.”


    With citizens having only a 2% error rate compared to a law enforcement officers 11% error rate, I can see why police officers would be skiddish of training alongside armed citizens… they don’t want to showcase how poor thier shooting skills are (for some, not all).

    Once the new range opens up, I’ll be practicing/training bi-weekly. Not so bad for an armed citizen.

    Now, all that taxable spending will be done in PWC versus Fairfax and Stafford counties (I mostly shoot in Stafford).

  28. Anonymous said on 23 Nov 2008 at 10:29 am:
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    Are they trying to tell us someting?

  29. Chris said on 27 Dec 2008 at 9:59 am:
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    This is a beautiful thing! The only people that will not benefit from this are the gang members and criminals. Those people that oppose this permit should be sent back to live in a country where their opinions are more helpfull. Maybe Germany circa 1933….

  30. Anonymous said on 2 Apr 2009 at 5:32 pm:
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    Has any construction begun yet? And when will it open? cant wait!

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