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Thanksgiving Vacation Open Thread

By Greg L | 26 November 2008 | Uncategorized | 63 Comments

The news cycle should be somewhat more relaxed for the next few days, but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing to talk about…

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  1. Howard the Duck said on 26 Nov 2008 at 9:46 am:
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    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

    This is sick:


    How long will we put up with this crap of supressing our American heritage under the excuse that it might offend someone?

  2. Rocky said on 26 Nov 2008 at 11:11 am:
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    I’d like to take the opportunity to point out yet another action
    taken by Butler County, Ohio Sheriff, Richard K. Jones. He is
    a great man who knows how to handle the illegal immigration
    problem. I sincerely hope he will run for Congress.


    We need far more politicians like him.

  3. Flavius Maximus said on 26 Nov 2008 at 11:15 am:
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    Great article on what gun-owners believe is coming, and what the “sociologists” (anti-gunners) think motivates the run-on-guns.

    Less Than 60 Shopping Days Till the Big Gun Grab
    by Vin Suprynowicz
    by Vin Suprynowicz


    It’s been a week and a half since Barack Obama was elected president. He won’t take office for another two months. But he’s already got one big group of Americans on their feet.

    What is Barack Obama’s position on the rights to bear arms?

    Sen. Obama’s campaign Web site says he “respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms.” It promises he will “protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns.”

    Seeking to reassure gun owners, Obama told a campaign audience in Ohio in October: “I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won’t take your handgun away.”

    But the crowds mobbing America’s gun stores this week say a large number of Americans – including first-time gun-buyers – don’t believe it.

    In 2003, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, Barack Obama voted in favor of a bill in the Judiciary Committee that would have made it illegal to “knowingly manufacture, deliver or possess” so-called “semi-automatic assault weapons,” reports Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association. “Under this bill, a firearm did not actually have to be semi-automatic to be banned. According to definitions in the bill, all single-shot and double-barreled shotguns 28-gauge or larger, and many semi-automatic shotguns of the same size, would be banned as ‘assault weapons.’

    “Any Illinois resident who possessed one of these commonly used guns 90 days after the effective date would have had to ‘destroy the weapon or device, render it permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law enforcement agency, or remove it from the state.’ Anyone who still possessed a banned gun would have been subject to a felony sentence.”

    In an April television debate, Sen. Obama argued someone else on his staff improperly filled out a 1996 questionnaire stating support for a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns – even after ABC News’ Charlie Gibson told Obama “Your writing was on the questionnaire.”

    And the National Shooting Sports Foundation sent out mailers last month warning that – while in The U.S. Senate – Sen. Obama voted for versions of Senate Bill 397 that could have bankrupted gun manufacturers by allowing them to be sued for misuse of their products (“equivalent to holding car makers responsible for drunk driving”), as well as for a 500 percent tax increase on guns and ammo and a ban on virtually all deer-hunting ammunition.

    Americans aren’t waiting to see which Barack Obama takes office in January. They’re voting with their feet, and their billfolds.

    Glen Parshall of Bargain Pawn in North Las Vegas reported Wednesday that sales are “through the roof. I can’t get anything. I mean handguns, rifles, ammo, you name it. Ammo’s doubled in (wholesale) price in the past week if you can find it. I had a line of people waiting for me this morning when I showed up for work, waiting to buy AR-15s. Everybody’s fearful of the messiah, very, very much fearful, I mean hanging their heads and cannot believe he got elected fearful.

    “We had that rush in ’94 when they passed the first so-called assault weapons ban, but that’s nothing compared to what we’ve got going on now. I mean, people come through the door asking me ‘If I buy this now, they won’t be able to confiscate it next year, will they’? I tell them ‘My crystal ball is in the shop.’

    “My biggest distributors nationwide, they’ve got a strict allocation of two AR-15 rifles per week per dealer – if they get them. Everybody wants ’em. Brownell’s is out of everything: nuts and bolts and screws. I just got done ordering a few barrels and upper receivers a few nights ago, but they’re out of magazines. I can’t buy a Glock anywhere in the country except the oddball ones, weird calibers or the ones in green with orange slides, things like that. I did find a couple ARs last week, match rifles that go for $2,000, I’ve got those coming in for customers.

    “In October before this all started, my sales were approximately double what they were last October. This week it’s up more than that, and it’d be a hell of a lot higher if I had anything. People are looking for handguns, looking for rifles, looking for magazines.

    “Ammunition? 7.62-by-39 was $180 a case last month, now it’s $350 for a (thousand-round) case. .223 was $300 a case, I haven’t been able to find any, but it would run me over $400 if I could get any. A guy across town got in two pallets” (about 100,000 rounds) “of 9 millimeter, it lasted about a day and a half. It’s absolutely mind-boggling. I’m still selling a lot of revolvers. I can’t get short shotguns.”

    But why do his customers believe Democrats impose more gun bans, we asked Mr. Parshall, who’s sold guns and gold in this town for decades. After all, aren’t crime rates highest precisely where law-abiding citizens are barred from carrying weapons for their own defense?

    “That’s not what they care about. They’re socialists. They want to be in total control. They want to confiscate – that’s their word – all the IRAs and 401-Ks, put them in a government fund paying you 3 percent interest. People are afraid.”

    “People are terrified of losing their right to protect themselves,” DeWayne Irwin, owner of Cheaper Than Dirt, a large gun store in Ft. Worth, Texas tells the Chicago Tribune. “The volume is ten times what we ever expected. It started with assault rifles, but at this point, people are buying ammunition, high capacity magazines, Glocks – it’s all flying off the shelf. With the economy the way it is, people are worried about instability. They are scared of civil unrest.”

    “Why are white people buying assault weapons?” asks Ben Agger, a sociology professor at the University of Texas at Arlington who wrote a book about the Virginia Tech slayings. “I almost hate to say it, but there is a deep-seated fear of the armed black man, because Obama now commands the military and other instruments of the justice system,” Professor Agger told the Chicago Tribune, a newspaper which routinely refers to semi-automatic rifles as “assault rifles,” which they are not. “They are afraid Obama will exact retribution for the very deep-seated legacy of slavery,” Professor Agger figures.

    Oh, please. What we’re seeing in the gun stores this week is not a nation arming itself for revolt, but Americans in a thoroughly defensive mode, stocking up now to avoid the Democratic gun bans they believe are coming. What many Americans fear is that Barack Obama – aided by congressional allies like Senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Charles Schumer of New York – will revert to his true, pre-campaign nature come Jan. 20, and once more move to take away Americans’ guns.

    Obama “says he’s in favor of common sense gun laws,” says DeWayne Irwin. “Well, what people up north think is common sense is something different from us down here in Texas. The criminals have all this illegal stuff. I don’t want to fight them with a handgun if I can get an AK. I’m entitled to that. I should be able to defend my home.”

    “We’ve had a lot of people concerned because our president-elect is extremely anti-gun and so is his running mate,” says Jerry Bricco, owner of First Class Firearms in suburban Zion, Illinois. “They’re afraid of future gun bans and what you will be allowed to get.”

    After all, Democrats have tried before. In fact, a notable public figure said after Republicans recaptured Congress in 1994 that that happened precisely because Democrats tried to take away Americans’ guns.

    Who was that insightful analyst?

    Bill Clinton.

  4. Chuckie said on 26 Nov 2008 at 2:08 pm:
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    The only AK 47 I could find at the gun show this past weekend was a Romanian made POS and the dude wanted $500. He probably got it.

  5. Howard the Duck said on 26 Nov 2008 at 3:44 pm:
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    Do a google on Eric Holden, the AG nominee.


    That’s your answer.

  6. Opinion said on 26 Nov 2008 at 4:43 pm:
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    Am I the only one tired of seeing the picture of that d**n dog? We may not be fans of Obama; however, that picture and caption are clearly swipes at what appears to be a lovely family (and, the more I look at it the more I think it has racest overtones that you don’t really want to be associated with). Give it a rest and give us a new picture (or go ahead and adopt the dog and give it to your family.)

  7. bogart said on 26 Nov 2008 at 6:20 pm:
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    Cops Say Legalizing Drugs Can Boost Economy by Billions; 75th Anniversary of Alcohol Prohibition’s End Inspires Modern Effort
    WASHINGTON, Nov. 26 (AScribe Newswire) — On Tuesday, Dec. 2, a group of law enforcers who fought on the front lines of the “war on drugs” and witnessed its failures will commemorate the 75th anniversary of alcohol prohibition’s repeal by calling for drug legalization. The cops, judges and prosecutors will release a report detailing how many billions of dollars can be used to boost the ailing economy when drug prohibition is ended.

    “America’s leaders had the good sense to realize that we couldn’t afford to keep enforcing the ineffective prohibition of alcohol during the Great Depression,” said Terry Nelson, a 30-year veteran federal agent and member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). “Now, cops fighting on the front lines of today’s ‘war on drugs’ are working to make our streets safer and help solve our economic crisis by teaching lawmakers a lesson from history about the failure of prohibition. We can do it again.”

    WHO: Federal agents, street cops, detectives, corrections officials and a Harvard economist

    WHAT: Release of “We Can Do It Again” report on benefits of repealing drug prohibition

    WHEN: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 @ 10:00 a.m. EST

    WHERE: National Press Club; Zenger Room; 529 14th Street, NW; 13th Fl.; Washington, DC

    Phone press conference also available at 1:30 p.m. EST

    “We Can Do It Again: Repealing Today’s Failed Prohibition,” highlights how the “war on drugs” - just like alcohol prohibition - subsidizes violent gangsters, endangers public health and diminishes public respect for the rule of law. The report also details how the newer prohibition comes with the much graver threat of international cartels and terrorists who profit from illegal drug sales. Yet, it leaves readers on a hopeful note…

    “We’re starting to see an emerging consensus that drug prohibition just doesn’t make sense,” said Seattle’s retired Police Chief Norm Stamper, a LEAP member. “Three out of four Americans now say the ‘war on drugs’ has failed, and so do the U.S. Conference of Mayors, the National Black Caucus of State Legislators and the National Hispanic Caucus of State Legislators. Now, it’s up to the new administration and Congress to follow through.”

    More information about LEAP and a copy of the report will be uploaded at http://www.WeCanDoItAgain.com/ .

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  8. info said on 26 Nov 2008 at 10:05 pm:
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    NYC Subways Under Heavy Guard From Terror Threat

  9. Disgusted said on 26 Nov 2008 at 11:53 pm:
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    Suspect Said He Planned to Rob Couple, Court Told
    Man Charged in NW Slayings Stated He Torched Car, According to Documents

    By Michael E. Ruane
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, November 27, 2008; B01

    The man accused of killing a Northwest Washington couple last weekend has told investigators that he went to their home to rob them, tied one of the victims with a telephone cord and stole computer equipment from their house, according to a criminal complaint filed yesterday in D.C. Superior Court.

    Peiro Fuentes Hernandez, 21, also told investigators that he was armed with a metal baton-type weapon during the incident and that he stole the victims’ car. He said he bought a can of gasoline and used it to set the car afire in an attempt to destroy evidence, according to the complaint.

    Hernandez, who was said in court to be a refugee from El Salvador after Hurricane Mitch in 1998, also told police that he was a member of the MC Gang, known as Master Criminals, an affiliate of STC, or Street Thug Criminals, the document said.

    more at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/26/AR2008112603377_pf.html

  10. Elvis said on 27 Nov 2008 at 5:07 am:
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    Heck..I always thought illegal “immigrants” were only here to work. Not kill and rape people. Someone should tell this to the chicks on the other board, they seem to be a bit confused on the subject (sarcasm alert!)

  11. DPortM said on 27 Nov 2008 at 5:58 am:
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    I would like to extend Greg a thank you for this blog which provides us the opportunity to engage with and meet others from outside our normal circles.

    I am so thankful that there are many others out there in cyberspace who share the cause to fight illegal immigration. Without this board, I would never have met Medic 64 or Rick Bentley or Elvis or Chicko or others…

    The road is long and hard but don’t give up - the future of our nation and our children’s futures are at stake.

    Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless!

  12. DPortM said on 27 Nov 2008 at 6:28 am:
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    ICE Agents Will Screen Immigrants at Fairfax Jail
    County Gets Video Teleconferencing Equipment, but Sheriff’s Officers Won’t Do Agency’s Work

    The Fairfax County Sheriff’s Office has been rejected for training and authorization to process illegal immigrants into the federal immigration system, but a better option has emerged, Sheriff Stan G. Barry said.

    Instead of training jail officers to be deputies, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency is installing video teleconferencing equipment in the Fairfax jail. ICE agents outside the jail will interview and screen illegal immigrants for possible deportation, Barry and agency officials said last week.

    Last year, Barry applied to have Fairfax jail deputies trained in ICE’s 287 (g) program, which would have allowed them not only to check for immigration warrants for possible illegal immigrants but also to enter newly suspected violators into the immigration system. After months of waiting, Fairfax recently learned it had been rejected for the program…

  13. bmo said on 27 Nov 2008 at 8:45 am:
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    Thanks to Greg L. for a great blog. Thanks for President Bush for keeping us safe, and of course Thanks to our troops who just don’t get enough OOORAH for their sacrifice!
    Outnumbered 10-1, Marines Win Battle

  14. BothgPartiesColludeAgainstUsAndMarketToYourFears said on 27 Nov 2008 at 10:12 am:
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    Thanks to Greg L for his leadership of HSM. He is/was a very highly effective leader. Thanks to everyone in and outside of HSM who contributed towards the Rule of Law resolution especially.

    Thanks to those people and to John Stirrup and Corey Stewart for restoring some degree of faith to me that government can still occasionally do what’s best for its constituents, even when it’s at odds with the wishes of the business community.

    And thanks for this blog, which promotes discussion and gives some of us a forum to vent our anger.

  15. Chicko said on 27 Nov 2008 at 1:13 pm:
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    happy thanks giving to everyone,

    it’s nice to see that this blog exists so people can vent and trade ideas and such about illegal immigration and the community in general.

  16. Chicko said on 27 Nov 2008 at 6:22 pm:
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    by the way I believe that dog in the picture passed away a few weeks ago so I wouldnt worry about the Obama’s adopting the dog.

    I would agree that the Obama Family looks well put together. They seem to have good family structure and appear to want to keep that structure throughout his term in the whitehouse. It remains to be seen if they actually do, but thus far I’m pretty impressed with the family even if I do not exactly agree on many of his policies.

  17. Truth Seeker said on 28 Nov 2008 at 8:51 am:
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    Comprehensive Immigration Reform is a priority for the 111th Congress.

  18. Ron said on 28 Nov 2008 at 10:09 am:
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    Happy Thanksgiving to all of you, and thanks particularly to Greg for all his hard work.

  19. freedom said on 28 Nov 2008 at 1:35 pm:
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    Truth Seeker said, “Comprehensive Immigration Reform is a priority for the 111th Congress.”

    Couldn’t agree with you more, Truth….and the “comprehensive” part entails elimination of anchor baby provisions and a fence/fences with two gates; Gate # 1: southbound ONLY for those here illegally and unable to find employment because of penalties…severe penalties applied to employers of illegal aliens, and Gate # 2: northbound only for those of sound character who abide by US immigration laws; laws that are modified and carefully monitored to be adjustable, allowing those who wish to become law abiding American citizens, consistent with labor needs of this country.

    “Comprehensive,” in terms of “y’all come” or “y’all stay” is a non-starter!

  20. Johnson said on 28 Nov 2008 at 2:00 pm:
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    I am one of the Feds who has been involved in the drug war, both local and federal, since 1986. I agree that it’s time to end it. Let’s decriminalize dope and keep that money in the U.S. Treatment programs will cost us less than the billions we export to prop up the corrupt third world regimes and terrorism sponsors that receive the vast amounts of money that American citizens waste on illegal drugs every year. If we kept that cash in our economy, we’d have enough to pay legal residents to pick our fruits and veggies and build our McMansions.

    That was a good depiction of how Marines think and fight. Failure is unacceptable. No retreat, no surrender. That’s what makes us special. That’s why our enemies fear us and our country loves us.

    Right on the money!

    Thank you for your tireless dedication. Good things happen because of your efforts.

  21. chicko said on 28 Nov 2008 at 6:12 pm:
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    Hello all,

    Mr. Ruben Pineda aka “I want amnesty” posted another letter to the editor in the MJM/Potomac News.

    It’s hard to take that guy seriously, so off the rocker. And the anti-chicks dig him :)

  22. Maureen said on 29 Nov 2008 at 9:57 pm:
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    Osbourn High School has won the State semi-finals today and will move on to the state championship!!!!

    They have won against three undefeated teams to get to the State finals! I am so proud of this team. After all the school has been through the past couple of months this just goes to show the community that we can pull together and accomplish great things!

    Good luck next SATURDAY!! Go! Fight! WIN!!!!!!!!!

  23. Wolverine said on 30 Nov 2008 at 2:08 am:
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    Anybody else out there getting hit recently by a heavy wave of spyware and pop-ups? I’m having a heck of a time with it. Started about a week ago. Had a pro come in a day or so ago to clean everything out and reset all the protective measures; but it has started up again….jumping in on Google stuff, whacking e-mails, and the like. Any thoughts from the computer buffs out there? I’m getting ready to go after some of those pop-up advertisers with a baseball bat! And, if I could ever get my hands on those spyware types, they’d wish they were being chased by Al Qaeda instead!

  24. DPortM said on 30 Nov 2008 at 6:32 am:
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    Deported illegal immigrant returns to U.S., arrested for assaulting 2 men

    An illegal immigrant who was deported in 2007 after serving time for an attempted-rape conviction in Nebraska returned to the United States earlier this year only to assault two men in Alexandria on separate occasions.
    Jolman Antonio Garcia, 30, of Esperanza, Honduras, was placed in federal custody on Nov. 12, two weeks after he was sentenced to nearly two years in prison by an Alexandria judge.

  25. DPortM said on 30 Nov 2008 at 6:36 am:
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    Post Election Zogby Poll:

    60% of voters said reducing illegal immigration and cracking down on employers who hire them is important to them, while only 21% supported “legalizing or creating a pathway to citizenship” for illegal aliens.

    57% of voters stated that amnesty would harm American workers and further strain public resources, while only 26% believe amnesty would aid economic recovery and ease public burdens.


  26. Ron said on 30 Nov 2008 at 9:20 am:
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    OK, Greg, why does this site keep showing ads for Jody Wagner?

    Those of you interested in the immigration issue might want to check this out for parallels about the Netherlands:


  27. citizenofmanassas said on 30 Nov 2008 at 2:05 pm:
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    I’m sure this is just the type of liberal bs that obama will support.


  28. Citizen12 said on 30 Nov 2008 at 6:54 pm:
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    Ron said on 30 Nov 2008 at 9:20 am: Flag comment

    Those of you interested in the immigration issue might want to check this out for parallels about the Netherlands:

    Thanks for the link Ron.

    “Champion of freedom or anti-Islamic provocateur? Both”

    Im sure there are millions in Europe and the UK who now wish such a hard line had been drawn by their leaders.


  29. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 30 Nov 2008 at 8:10 pm:
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    Some spyware can be very nasty and resists automated solutions. You may end up googling a solution and ending up doing some complex procedure that includes editing your registry.

    You may come to the option of saving off your documents and putting on the OS from scratch.

  30. Mighty Putty said on 30 Nov 2008 at 8:36 pm:
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    BothgPartiesColludeAgainstUsAndMarketToYourFears said on 27 Nov 2008 at 10:12 am: Flag comment
    Thanks to Greg L for his leadership of HSM. He is/was a very highly effective leader. Thanks to everyone in and outside of HSM who contributed towards the Rule of Law resolution especially.

    Thanks to those people and to John Stirrup and Corey Stewart for restoring some degree of faith to me that government can still occasionally do what’s best for its constituents, even when it’s at odds with the wishes of the business community.

    And thanks for this blog, which promotes discussion and gives some of us a forum to vent our anger.

    Rick Bentley, aka BothgPartiesColludeAgainstUsAndMarketToYourFears, is also for mom’s cooking and the free room and board, and also for sites like this that can occupy his time during the day. Otherwise he might have to go out and find gainful employment. Rick, did you change out of the peejays to come to Thanksgiving dinner, or did mom bring it down to the basement for you? Hey, I heard there is a Southpark marathon on this weekend!

  31. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 30 Nov 2008 at 9:15 pm:
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    DPortM thanks for posting the info about that poll, that is very heartening. The whole results are at http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=election_main2008

    The Senate including McCain (who some of you foolishly voted for) and crybaby Lindsay Graham are in the bag as usual, as they were in 2006 and 2007. And the White House probably pro-Amnesty (Obama needs to get amnesty for his aunt Zeituni before she gets kicked out of public housing), but Bush was as well. The House of Representatives has to answer to the American people and it can not, will not do this thing.

  32. PWConservative said on 30 Nov 2008 at 9:48 pm:
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    Jody Foster wants to turn VA Red. Just look at her ads.

  33. DPortM said on 1 Dec 2008 at 5:53 am:
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    Use this link to send free e-mails to your senators opposing any form of amnesty:


  34. chicko said on 1 Dec 2008 at 8:20 am:
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    that was pretty damn funny :)

  35. BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 1 Dec 2008 at 1:41 pm:
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    If any of you want to take a break from bashing Obama reflexively, you might want nto engage in that rarest of things, conservatives engaging in introspection, and take note of Bush’s “outbriefs”.

    In this interview he admits he was “unprepared for war” (I noticed that too), admits failure on his primary goal of changing the tone in Washington for the better, says he wishes he had not had such bad intelligence on Iraq and WMD, and disapproves of the “tone” the anti-Amnesty debate took on.

    So, congratulations on all THAT that most of you voted for twice.

  36. BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 1 Dec 2008 at 1:41 pm:
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    Sorry, it’s at http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/Story?id=6354012&page=1

  37. Pat.Herve said on 1 Dec 2008 at 3:15 pm:
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    and this just in - the Feds were warning of a financial disaster, but the banks wanted the rules relaxed, so what did we do, we relaxed the rules - and continued to give exotic mortgages to those who could not pay them.


  38. Vigilant1 said on 1 Dec 2008 at 3:47 pm:
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    20,000 military toops to be assigned for “HOMELAND SECURITY duties but no troops yet on our southern borders. Obama seeking more gun control and now assigning military troops to homeland security. What’s wrong with our National Guard? Something smells!


  39. Johnson said on 1 Dec 2008 at 3:50 pm:
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    Like some, I disapproved of the Bush candidacy from the get-go. Too much power in one family, much like the Kennedys and Clintons. Bush was, in my opinion, by far the worst POTUS ever. I am still a conservative and proud of it.

  40. Vigilant1 said on 1 Dec 2008 at 3:53 pm:
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    Twenty thousand troops to be assigned to HOMELAND SECURITY. Obama wants more gun control and now assigning U.S. military to patrol for Homeland security. Something smells!


  41. Vigilant1 said on 1 Dec 2008 at 3:54 pm:
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  42. BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 1 Dec 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    Agree with you Johnson. 20 years of Bushs and Clintons has been enough. The Clintons in particular have developed an air of entitlement that I can’t stand.

  43. Citizen12 said on 1 Dec 2008 at 6:08 pm:
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    While many of us question the actions of the past administrations one thing is clear.

    David Rockefeller and the CFR just love these guys.

  44. Pat.Herve said on 1 Dec 2008 at 7:23 pm:
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    well, the word is coming out that the Bush Administration listened to the banking industry lobbyist’s, and not the regulators, by not cracking down on exotic mortgages. There is still some blame to go around to other folks, but the administration was in the position to create/enforce rules, or ignore them. They chose the latter.


  45. DPortM said on 2 Dec 2008 at 5:56 am:
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    Obama is building an Open Borders and pro-Amnesty dream team in Washington. Appointment after appointment we are finding our opposition, including his appointment of Cecilia Muñoz who will become the Director of Intergovernmental Affairs in his administration. Muñoz currently serves as Senior Vice President for NCLR’s (National Council of La Raza) Office of Research, Advocacy, and Legislation.


  46. DPortM said on 2 Dec 2008 at 6:52 am:
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    The Obama administration is now on a fast track to pass an amnesty bill while stopping or even reversing the border fence and other efforts to stop illegal immigration.

    It is now crystal clear that we will face a much more difficult battle from pro-amnesty Obama and appointees like Napolitano and Munoz.

    Please join Grassfire’s effort to Resist Obama’s leftist agenda. Please go here to join the resistance:


    We simply cannot wait until January to amass a team of Resisters to oppose Obama’s agenda. That’s why Grassfire wants to bring together 1 million citizens to Join The Resistance by Inauguration Day.

    Please sign today to oppose Obama’s amnesty plan and his leftist agenda.

  47. DPortM said on 2 Dec 2008 at 7:25 am:
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    Another illegal alien pleads guilty to the rape of a 10-year old girl in Manassas…

    When will this madness ever stop?


  48. citizenofmanassas said on 2 Dec 2008 at 7:51 am:
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    This is just the type of person Timmy Kaine and obama support because they see him as a future voter. When will it stop? It won’t because people like Nova scout and other supporters of child rapists say we are too harsh on illegals and that we need to embrace them for the good of the Country. They say we need a free flow of goods and labor across borders to help save our future. What is the big deal about having a child rapist or two among them? Besides, do you really think timmy has to worry about an illegal brekaing into his house with all the security he has?

  49. Johnson said on 2 Dec 2008 at 10:24 am:
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    Trade is good. Guest workers are good, their families can stay home and live on remittances. Let Mexico educate and medicate them. I can’t wait for the first H2O cars to hit our showrooms.

  50. chicko said on 2 Dec 2008 at 10:57 am:
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    I still dont think we’ll see an amnesty of the sort that’s been done in the past. Deep down people are seriously against illegal immigration, even if it’s not a top voting topic. Just wait until an amnesty is actually proposed and we’ll see a major backlash from the voting public.

    Amnesty is not the way no matter what, even many pro-immigrant groups are not for a total amnesty. It brings the public against them. They are looking for something more “in the middle” that the public wont fight as much about.

    As much as I would love to have all illegal immigrants out of the U.S. i dont think it’s going to happen anytime soon. My solution would be to lean on the businesses that are hiring the illegals. It’s working in arizona and it’s stood up to the test of the courts. The numbers dont lie, people are leaving arizona in droves due to both economic reasons and the fact that illegals are having really hard times getting hired.

  51. Johnson said on 2 Dec 2008 at 12:49 pm:
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    As money gets tighter and the recession worsens, the calls will increase for our tax dollars to be spent on those who are here legally. As the illegals leave, the jobless rate will drop as more jobs open up for legal residents. Even the apologist’s organizational budgets will dry up, as liberals are not known for being generous with their personal donations. We must continue to target all areas of our society to make it difficult for illegal aliens to hide amongst us. Punish their employers, take away their job opportunities, reduce their use of medical care, repeal the 14th, get their kids out of the public schools. When they run out of reasons to be here, they will leave.

  52. Johnson said on 2 Dec 2008 at 12:53 pm:
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    We need to follow up on this and get this issue back into the Supreme Court. What about the learning resources that are diverted away from legal residents? Don’t the lawful residents of our country have rights?

  53. Pat.Herve said on 2 Dec 2008 at 3:21 pm:
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    who is going to mow my neighbors lawn when all the illegals leave?

    Surely he cannot do it himself (he is too obese) - and his children are just as lazy as he is.

  54. anonymous said on 2 Dec 2008 at 3:50 pm:
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    “who is going to mow my neighbors lawn when all the illegals leave?”

    My friend’s son has a business mowing lawns.

    Or, hey, maybe one of his neighbors will get fed up and mow it for him.

    I remember a friend of mine used to live in Irongate and he would mow his lawn and everyone else’s that wouldn’t bother to mow theirs.

  55. InTheNavy said on 2 Dec 2008 at 5:56 pm:
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    Is there currently a list floating around online of local businesses that are flagrantly employing illegals, or that are at least highly suspected of doing so? Not sure whether HSM has distributed something of the sort. There’s a local construction company that I believe could be added based on the truckloads of hispanic men that I see five days a week at a construction site. Gosh, I just love to sit and watch these men at my child’s school as they openly oggle the young girls while making what I’m certain are absolutely lovely and appropriate comments in Spanish (based on their chuckles, winks, and elbowing each other).

    Also, in my hometown in Texas, anyone caught driving without a license and/or insurance is arrested. Is that not the case here???

  56. es_la_ley said on 2 Dec 2008 at 6:23 pm:
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    InTheNavy said on 2 Dec 2008 at 5:56 pm:

    Is there currently a list floating around online of local businesses that are flagrantly employing illegals, or that are at least highly suspected of doing so?


  57. legal2 said on 2 Dec 2008 at 7:29 pm:
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    not that 53% of voters care, but here is yet another expert declaring fake, the “birth certificate” of b. hussein obama. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82503

  58. Brian Leeper said on 3 Dec 2008 at 12:41 am:
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    A large number, 800 if I recall correctly, of the flyers that the “Independents for City Council” mailed to all Manassas Park voters came back as undeliverable.

    I saw a big mailbox tub full of them on the Registrar’s desk yesterday.

    Last time I checked, there was about 5900 registered voters in Manassas Park, so about 13% of those don’t even live here anymore.

    Is this typical? Do you normally get 13% of the flyers you send out back undeliverable?

  59. InTheNavy said on 3 Dec 2008 at 4:57 pm:
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    That’s perfect. Many thanks.

  60. Pat.Herve said on 3 Dec 2008 at 8:35 pm:
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    the poor AIG execs, ran a company to near bankruptcy, but they still want and still get their bonuses.

    I think corporate America has forgotten what a bonus is for - another abuse of the system at our cost - higher premiums, etc.

  61. Brian Leeper said on 3 Dec 2008 at 11:21 pm:
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    If they don’t get a bonus it might negatively impact their self-esteem. They have to feel good about themselves, you know.

  62. TDB said on 4 Dec 2008 at 4:15 pm:
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    ‘Twas the month before Christmas when all through our land,
    Not a Christian was praying nor taking a stand.
    Why the PC Police had taken away,
    The reason for Christmas - no one could say.

    The children were told by their schools not to sing,
    About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.
    It might hurt people’s feelings, the teachers would say
    December 25th is just a ‘ Holiday ‘.
    Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit
    Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!
    CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod
    Something was changing, something quite odd!

    Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa
    In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.
    As Targets are hanging their trees upside down
    At Lowe’s the word Christmas - was no where to be found.

    At K-Mart and Staples and Penny’s and Sears
    You won’t hear the word Christmas; it won’t touch your ears.
    Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
    Are words that were used to intimidate me.

    Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
    On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !
    At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter
    To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.

    And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith
    Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace
    The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
    The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

    So as you celebrate ‘Winter Break’ under your ‘DreamTree’
    Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.
    Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
    Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday !

  63. es_la_ley said on 4 Dec 2008 at 6:15 pm:
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    Gun show this Saturday (Dec 6 & 7)

    Dale City, VFW Post 1503 on Minnieville Road

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