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They’re NOT Immigrants

By Greg L | 20 December 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Manassas City | 22 Comments

You really can’t blame a defense attorney for doing his best to vigorously defend his clients, but this is patently ridiculous.  Two of the three defendants accused of murdering Omar Florencio-Vazquez appeared in court recently, arguing that the trial should be moved from Prince William County because of local “anti-immigrant sentiment”.  Instead of trying three illegal aliens for murder, the defense wants to try the residents of this county for not properly appreciating the contributions of criminal illegal aliens to our society.

Sebastian Cortes-Hernandez, Jose Antonio Ontiveros and Santos Ontiveros were indicted on charges of first degree murder last August.  Attempting to avoid a confrontation last May with about a dozen men who had assaulted him previously, the victim and his brother attempted to leave the shopping center in Georgetown South when the three accused left the shopping center and started following Florencio-Vazquez.  The group punched Florencio-Vazquez, threatened him with a knife, and finally Cortez-Hernandez pulled out a pistol and pumped four bullets into Florencio-Vazquez.  All three of the accused are illegal aliens, and Cortez-Hernandez had been deported to Mexico in 2003.

Now that the pre-trial preliminaries are under way, the attorneys for Santos Ontiveros and Sebastian Cortes-Hernandez say that an “anti-immigrant” sentiment prevents a fair trial from being conducted for these two.  In order for this argument to have any merit, you’d think the defense attorney would want to prove that these two murderous thugs were actually immigrants, rather than the criminally-disposed illegal alien invaders they are.  I guess we’re supposed to take it on faith that anyone who is a previously deported illegal alien is somehow an immigrant, but in court “faith” isn’t supposed to be a requirement.  They have to prove stuff there, right?

The distinction is one that the illegal alien lobby certainly seems interested in glossing over.  Conflating illegal aliens coming just to take what they can, regardless of the consequences imposed on anyone else, with immigrants who are making a permanent investment in our nation and our society is a wicked assault on immigrants.  It’s not unlike conflating all men with rapists, because they might share a characteristic or two.  The distinction that the defense, and apparently the illegal alien lobby in general, is trying to paper over is one of behavior.  It is behavior that separates the immigrant who is welcomed from the illegal alien who is rightly decried, just as behavior is the difference between men who abuse women, and those who don’t.

When our physical characteristics become more important than our behavior, the identity politics that result are terribly destructive to our society, resulting in a sense of societal tribalism that groups us into endlessly warring factions seeking success only through subjugating other tribes.  It is the society of the Hutu and Tutsi, the Croat and the Serb, and the Jew and the Gentile.  We’ve seen the results, and they’re utterly tragic and despicable.  When identity is valued over behavior, the end result in too many cases becomes genocide.

An immigrant is an immigrant not because of what he looks like, what part of the world he comes from, or what language he speaks.  What makes an immigrant different from everyone and everything else is the goal they seek and the behavior they exhibit which furthers that goal.  When that classification is debased into meaning “non-white non-citizen”, we will start indoctrinating true immigrants into our society from the very beginning with the notion that ethnic and race-based identity politics is what matters, not what actions they take to better themselves, our community and our nation.

It might make for a creative defense argument, but it is absolutely irresponsible.



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22 Comments

  1. Loudoun Insider said on 20 Dec 2008 at 10:05 am:
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    RIDICULOUS!

  2. Johnson said on 20 Dec 2008 at 10:12 am:
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    The race card will be played openly. This is just the beginning. I wonder how many illegal alien gang members (the defendant’s peers) will be selected for jury duty? Should this trial be moved to Raleigh-Durham or Los Angeles, perhaps?

  3. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Dec 2008 at 11:08 am:
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    This is pretty ridiculous. Typical “lawyer” bs. So, the County does not like criminals, is that such a bad thing?

  4. Chicko said on 20 Dec 2008 at 11:43 am:
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    I have simple solution: line them all up and shoot them. No fuss, no muss and no expense to the taxpayer other than a few bullets.

    all illegal aliens who commit violent crime should be immediately executed after a very brief trial. no sending them to prison for years, no appeals, no nothing. This has got to stop and the only way to do it is to ensure that illegals feet are held to the fire.

  5. CONVA said on 20 Dec 2008 at 12:27 pm:
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    Another reason to charter a cruise ship, throw a huge gala for lawyers on it, when it gets about 800 miles from land in shark infested waters, sink the damn thing.

  6. Chicko said on 20 Dec 2008 at 1:50 pm:
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    Conva,

    what a novel idea. Although I would replace the attorneys with criminal illegal aliens who have committed violent crime (disclaimer for the idiotic harpies who will be reading this: note I did not say ALL illegal aliens). It would be efficient but probably not expedient and kind of intruding a little bit on the cruel and unusual but still…something to think about :)

    I’m all for old testament way of meting out punishment. the whole “eye for an eye” thing is a great approach. Hey, worked in the old days so why cant it work now? If it was good enough for Moses it’s good enough for me :)

  7. Arlington Minority said on 20 Dec 2008 at 10:28 pm:
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    Perhaps Florencio-Vazquez’s hometown in Mexico or El Salvador would be an appropriate jury-trial venue for the three accused.

  8. DPortM said on 21 Dec 2008 at 6:18 am:
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    Luckily the judge said no to a change of venue.

    The politically correct liberals pull the “anti-immigrant” crap at every turn - and most often it guilts people into silence. That is their aim - to shut us all up and make us accept illegal aliens into our country.

    They think if they batter us enough, we will give up the fight for our country and our sovereignty. Constant vigilance is the only way that this battle will be won for America and Americans.

    Don’t ever give up - because if you do - the results will be disastrous.

  9. Vigilant1 said on 21 Dec 2008 at 11:57 am:
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    DPortM said on 21 Dec 2008 at 6:18 am: Flag comment

    Don’t ever give up - because if you do - the results will be disastrous.

    AMEN!

  10. Arlington Minority said on 21 Dec 2008 at 1:44 pm:
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    …nor are they7 economic refugees, guest workers or undocumented immigrants. Michelle Malkin has it right: they are simply criminal invaders.

  11. Black Saint said on 21 Dec 2008 at 6:07 pm:
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    The 20 to 40 millions of uneducated illegal aliens currently residing in this country is turning the USA into the largest Socialist Nation in the world. Each head of household with less than a high school education, Legal or Illegal is an net drain of 20k per year on the backs of American tax payers.

    The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both parties pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!

    The businesses employing the Illegal Aliens are in effect enjoying nearly slave labor while pocketing the profits and driving down our standard of living while passing on the actual cost to American tax payers of not only his employees but all of their family members residing with them.

    The globalist, multiculturalism, open border advocates, liberals & businesses profiting from and exploiting Illegal Aliens argue that they, the Illegal Aliens, pay tons of taxes, sure they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books approximately 35 % using stolen Social Security numbers or other fraudulent documents pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working. In fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! Of course, the remaining 65% of the Illegal Aliens working off the books typically work for cash and pay nothing except real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states).

    The Latinos that make up the largest group of the Illegal Aliens population has the largest school drop out rate of any ethnic group in the USA, second highest illegitimate birth rate, second highest crime rate, highest total birth rate and recent studies confirm they start dropping out of school, using drugs, having illegitimate kids, joining gangs at an earlier age then any ethnic group in the USA.
    This behavior continues even after citizenship and down through each generation. This culture characteristic explains why Mexico and Latin American, while having more natural resources and moderate climate than most First World Nations are still mired in an Third World Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!

    Mexico’s and Latin American’s primary economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the Victims as they rob, rape and slaughter Americans by the 10,s of thousands, Businesses to Exploit and profit from, and for Corrupt Politicians to Pander and Cuddle! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!

    Amnestying them & with chain immigration for their relatives and their relatives in an never ending chain will add 100,s of millions, a vast underclass of fast breeding, uneducated citizens that will make it impossible to continue the social network for American tax payers. When that occurs you will see riots, fires and pillage from coast to coast that will make the recent rioting in French by Muslim immigrants look like an cook out!

    A recent study by the International Monetary fund confirms that remittance is not only is bad for the remittance country but for the country receiving the money. It allows the home country (normally third world nations) to keep from addressing the problems and improving their citizens standard of living and continue the same policies and keeping in power the corrupt government without facing an revolution and demands from citizens for improvements. So, our open borders and amnesty for the invading horde of illegal aliens is not only bad policy for this Nation but perpetrates the poverty and misery in the home countries.

    We are now seeing that the Illegal Aliens can not only impact this Nation but the global economy as well. Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy! Just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they have now spread their negative impact & misery across the Globe.

    It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Illegal Aliens are costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate this economy and force Mexico & Latin American to address their problems!

    Last but not least, all Nations immigration policies are by design & intent suppose to enhance the Nation and its Citizens that immigrated legally, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and built the nation! Clearly for the reasons numerated above Amnesty for the invading horde of uneducated peons and criminals does not meet this criteria.

    They certainly must not be used to further the political careers and lust for power of Corrupt/Pandering Politicians that refuse to abide by Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, Enforce our Immigration Laws, or Honor their Oath of Office!

  12. Johnson said on 22 Dec 2008 at 10:42 am:
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    What Black Saint said. Nicely put!

    Globally, the have-nots want what the haves have, but are not willing to work (or fight) for it in their own countries. Instead, they migrate (most times illegally) to countries that have and continue to live by mores (crime and corruption) that ruined their homes instead of adopting values that create successful societies. We’re talking about governments that serve the people instead of the opposite.

  13. Another Liberal Moron said on 22 Dec 2008 at 4:24 pm:
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    “Globally, the have-nots want what the haves have, but are not willing to work (or fight) for it in their own countries.”

    That’s because liberal morons like me convince them that their poverty is the result of the haves exploiting them.

  14. Another Liberal Moron said on 22 Dec 2008 at 4:25 pm:
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    They eat that stuff right up. It’s much easier for them to rationalize that their poverty is someone else’s fault, and I am all too happy to help them with that.

  15. Johnson said on 22 Dec 2008 at 4:44 pm:
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    A.L.M.-exactly!

    The globally accepted bad guy is the U.S. Who do you think Mugabe blames his problems on?

  16. fe said on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:30 am:
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    I agree with Chicko, but I think it needs to happen at the border. A couple of warning shots and then hit the target. Do you think they’d take us seriously then? You betcha!

  17. fed up said on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:30 am:
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    the above comment was from “fed up”

  18. rebelreggie said on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:58 am:
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    Paulette Locklear, 64, was a good samaritan in North Carolina who was just helping out who she thought was a poor man down on his luck. She gave him shelter and provided him work. It turns out that the man she was helping though was 12 time deported illegal alien Julio Cesar Ramos and she paid dearly for her generosity with her life after Ramos allegedly beat her to death. While some illegal aliens come to this country looking for work, it seems that more often than not they are taking advantage of Americans. Whether that be by beating them to death, taking their jobs or leeching off of our education and social services.
    Stop Helping Illegal Aliens
    You don’t know who they are, what their criminal backgrounds are or how much risk you are putting yourself in even having them work on your property. Most people wouldn’t allow a stranger to come into their house, but are more than willing to allow a stranger work on their house when days before they had walked across the border and nobody has any idea who they are. As in this case authorities are still not sure if Julio Cesar Ramos is even his real name.

    My heart goes out to the family of Paulette Locklear, who in their innocent and ignorance did not know that Ramos was an illegal alien. The main blame lies at the foot of our government who continues to refuse to secure our borders and keep vicious animals like Julio Cesar Ramos out of our communities, even after they have been deported 12 times.

    How many Americans have to die?

    WND

    An illegal alien – who has been deported more than a dozen times – is being charged with first-degree murder after allegedly beating a woman to death when she took him in, gave him work and treated him like family.

    Paulette Locklear, 64, and several members of her church built a small house on her property in Fayetteville, N.C., for 45-year-old Julio Cesar Ramos of Honduras…

    They said it wasn’t unusual for Ramos to disappear for 6 months and then come back.

    But on Tuesday Ramos began shattering windows and trying to break into her home. She called 9-1-1 just before being beaten to death with a blunt object outside of her house.

    Police arrived just as Ramos was fleeing the crime scene.

    Authorities said he had been deported at least 12 times over a period of 20 years. He kept sneaking back into the U.S….

    Debbie Tanna, a spokeswoman for the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said investigators are unsure of Ramos’ real identity.

    “We’re having trouble determining exactly what his name is because, during the times he was deported, he used several different aliases,” she said.

    Video below

    http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003031.html

  19. Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2008 at 11:03 am:
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    fe said on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:30 am: Flag comment

    I agree with Chicko, but I think it needs to happen at the border. A couple of warning shots and then hit the target. Do you think they’d take us seriously then? You betcha!

    Why wast bullets with warning shots?

  20. fed up said on 23 Dec 2008 at 12:02 pm:
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    Because the liberals would be screaming and whining if we didn’t use the warning shots….and quite frankly, my ears hurt from all their whining.

  21. Gang Warily said on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:58 pm:
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    Waiting around for the invaders can be mighty time-consuming. Landmines are an excellent defensive solution to this problem. Once the first few are tripped they won’t even need ESOL classes to understand what the signs that say “Danger Mines” mean.

  22. Cycnic said on 11 Jan 2009 at 11:39 am:
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    Black Saint - said on 21 Dec 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Black Saint, Great great post. I think it is on par or even better than Michael Savage would say it!

    On that other site they have a blurb about the alleged mistreatment of an illegal by the police somewhere in NY - think it’s NYC or a nearby suburb.

    So, they have to go out of state for their info. about the alleged mistreatment of an illegal while there are hundreds of crimes - from muggings, breakins of homes, and murder - committed by the illegals here in the DC Area. If Black Velvet cataloged the crimes committed by our “law abiding” illegals in other states, he would have no time to post other subjects on his blog.

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