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By Greg L | 23 December 2008 | Crime, Prince William County | 66 Comments

The murder of Jean and Jim Smith by a repeat juvenile offender in Dale City earlier this week has Jim Riley at Virginia Virtucon wondering how a known public safety threat like this was free to commit this crime. Police seem to have done a good job in quickly identifying suspects in this case and bringing them to justice, but somehow the justice system seemed to fail us, and in particular the Smith Family.

History of burglaries?  Several criminal convictions?  There is just one question that NEEDS to be asked and answered here — why was Xavier Pinckney free to murder Jean and Jim Smith?

It sounds as if the police were doing their job with regard to this suspect, having arrested him on multiple occasions.  That leaves just a few possibilities:

1.  The Commonwealth of Virginia’s juvenile justice system is woefully inadequate and doesn’t provide for tougher sentencing for repeat offenders like Pinckney.

2.  The judges in the Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court (or General District Court if his cases were handed up to them) were too lenient with Pinckney when they sentenced him for his prior convictions.

3.  The Commonwealth’s Attorney office, despite winning convictions of Pinckney, didn’t push for tougher sentencing despite his continuing crime spree.

4.  A combination of these factors.

For whatever reason or reasons, Pinckney was not in a juvenile detention facility where it sounds as if he should have belonged.  Had he been locked up in a juvenile detention facility rather than free and going to Hylton High School, he would not have had the opportunity to murder Jean and Jim Smith.

Prince William County residents DESERVE ANSWERS!  Why was Xavier Pinckney free to murder Jean and Jim Smith?

Just how does one rack up multiple criminal convictions by the age of seventeen and still remain free to murder a mother and her son in their home during a burglary?  Xavier Pinckney should not have been running loose in our community.



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66 Comments

  1. Timothy Watson said on 23 Dec 2008 at 12:03 pm:
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    It’s damn sad that Prince William, Manassas, and Manassas Park only have 31.52% of persons charged with felonies actually being sentenced on felonies.

    The rest either had their charges dropped (nolle prossed) or reduced to misdemeanors.

    Ebert’s office barely ranks above those offices that have part-time Commonwealth’s Attorneys.

    http://www.scb.virginia.gov/docs/ratio.pdf

  2. citizenofmanassas said on 23 Dec 2008 at 12:05 pm:
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    It is called liberalism. Liberals in the justice system, from the Police Department up to the Court system who want to give break after break to criminals are the reason this happened. Getting rid of criminal loving liberals in the justice system would be a great first step in correcting the problem.

    Amending laws to enable longer sentences for repeat juvenile offenders is the second step that needs to be taken. The third step is a bit harder to enforce since it requires personal responsibility, but better parental control and responsibility is needed.

  3. Slick said on 23 Dec 2008 at 12:21 pm:
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    It goes much deeper than that. Yes, once again the leftist loonies have taken over another branch of governance and fouled it up, but somewhere along the line they convinced most of us that the role of govt is to rehabilitate criminals which leads to lenient sentencing. It is called the penal system, not the rehab system for a reason. Penal, is derived from the word to penalize or punish. When you place your child in time out for bad behavior you punish him and thereby give him a good reason not to misbehave again. That is what we should be doing with our criminals…PUNISHING THEM! We should make prisons and jails as uncomfortable as possible, but instead we give convicts color tvs, dvds, higher education and even sex changes at the taxpayers expense. No wonder we have criminals roaming our streets unafraid of the consequences. PUNISH criminals and let churches and nonprofits worry about rehabilitating them.

  4. Harry said on 23 Dec 2008 at 1:32 pm:
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    Slick, pls identify where in Virginia a sex change operation was paid for by taxpayers for a convict.

  5. Johnson said on 23 Dec 2008 at 2:03 pm:
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    The juvenile justice system in Virginia is based on rehabilitation vs. punishment. A fourteen year old can commit a felony as well as an adult can. How and where do we draw the line? Does a lack of punishment in the juvenile court system result in continued criminal behavior because of a lack of consequences? Should a child be given counseling and probation for a crime, if committed a few months later as a n adult, result in mandatory prison time? Either punish or rehabilitate at both ends of the spectrum. Which would be more efficient and/or cost effective?

    P.S. Murder is murder. Try him accordingly and seek the death penalty. You can’t rehabilitate a murderer any more than a child molester.

  6. Marc said on 23 Dec 2008 at 2:03 pm:
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    This is so sad. Jean Smith was an awesome person who gave of so much of herself. For this to happen to her family, or anyone’s for that matter, is absolutely horrible. I only wish we could do the Death Penalty on that scum. The chica that helped him by lying for him should be sent to jail for a loooong time as well. Stupid idiotic woman.

  7. Anchor Baby said on 23 Dec 2008 at 3:53 pm:
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    PotomacNews is reporting a 3rd arrest connected with the slayings.

    http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/another_charged_in_double_murder/26767/

    After they are tried and found guilty I hope for the swift executions of these lawless citizens.

  8. Flavius Maximus said on 23 Dec 2008 at 4:05 pm:
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    “P.S. Murder is murder. Try him accordingly and seek the death penalty. You can’t rehabilitate a murderer any more than a child molester.”

    Unfortunately, as of a few years ago, those under the age of 18 cannot be given the death penalty. I have no doubt that Ebert would seek it, if the Virginia Supreme court had not ruled it unconstitutional two years ago.

  9. Opinion said on 23 Dec 2008 at 4:22 pm:
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    This isn’t about liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, It’s really about time and money. The best way to reduce costs is to shorten the trial cycle with plea bargains and reduce sentences. The police are frustrated because they have to “clean up the same messes” over and over again.

    Considering the budget crisis we are in, don’t expect things to get better

  10. Chicko said on 23 Dec 2008 at 4:26 pm:
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    I think ebert would seek it, any prosecutor worth his salt would in this case if he could. I’m sure there are many a person in the community today that would willing spend the 50 cents for a really good bullet to help them out. Pinkney deserves nothing less than the finest hollow-point money can buy!

  11. CONVA said on 23 Dec 2008 at 4:41 pm:
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    Allowing scum like this wander the streets makes a good case for Sharia law. The little creep should be stoned to death at a public gathering. You can bet he isn’t the only one preying on law abiding citizens.

  12. A Reader said on 23 Dec 2008 at 5:01 pm:
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    He should be locked away for good. But, I hate to being paying his room and board for the rest of his life. At least we should have someone like Sheriff Joe serving as the warden.

  13. Karla H said on 23 Dec 2008 at 5:09 pm:
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    “It is called liberalism. Liberals in the justice system, from the Police Department up to the Court system who want to give break after break to criminals are the reason this happened.” - citizenofmanassas

    True statement, com. And next the libs will want to take away your guns so that you cannot even defend yourself!

  14. Ron said on 23 Dec 2008 at 6:29 pm:
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    My wife actually has worked in the juvenile justice system. You all are right about the problems of leftist judges who hand out lenient sentences. The system seems to exhibit a lack of coordination between the CAs, the police, juvenile justice officials, and crime victims. In places like Fairfax County, the CA staff are stretched very thin (one of the issues on which Patrick McDade ran). The Commonwealth provides woefully inadequate support to victims, though it improved somewhat under Gov. George Allen.

    In many jurisdictions (not just in Virginia), you have to remember that the miscreants are being “serviced” (and I use that term loosely) by many different government agencies: schools, social welfare, police, and hte courts. Each is its own fiefdom that has its own set of information on the delinquents. Of course, none of that can ever be coordinated to create a full picture of just how good or bad the delinquent is, and protect fellow students, the public, etc. from their misdeeds. Naturally, since this Pinckney is a juvenile, the crime information has to be kept “confidential.” I say that at least after two misdemeanors or one felony has been committed, the crimes become public record without regard to age.

  15. Here we are! said on 23 Dec 2008 at 7:02 pm:
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    We citizens need to wake up and demand stricter sentences for crimes committed. Forget this rehabilatating. It will not happen. Small crimes lead to larger. This juvenile should have been behind bars. Now he deserves the Death Penalty.

    His 22 year old girlfriend should be there right with him. She certainly can not be an innocent chick in this or other matters.

    We have lost a dear friend and her amazing son and our hearts go out to the remaining family.

    Jean was loved by everyone.

  16. anon in dale city said on 23 Dec 2008 at 7:18 pm:
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    The juvenile justice system is part of government. Conservative’s generally don’t believe government works and don’t want to pay taxes for it.

    Just think if this kid and other juvenile offenders were in the system it would be coming out of your tax dollars. Maybe letting dangerous kids roam the neighborhoods is the cheapest way to go so the fiscally correct decision. (at least in most cases)

  17. Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2008 at 7:43 pm:
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    Only if you have lived through a juvenile court system as a victim can you appreciate how truly broken it is. Offenses that would get decades in the adult system gets days in the juvenile system. I won’t refer to it as the “justice system” because there is none for victims.

  18. es_la_ley said on 23 Dec 2008 at 8:50 pm:
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    anon in dale city said on 23 Dec 2008 at 7:18 pm:

    The juvenile justice system is part of government. Conservative’s generally don’t believe government works and don’t want to pay taxes for it.

    Just think if this kid and other juvenile offenders were in the system it would be coming out of your tax dollars. Maybe letting dangerous kids roam the neighborhoods is the cheapest way to go so the fiscally correct decision. (at least in most cases)

    That made no sense. None. Nada. Zip. A BIG ZERO. Try again.

  19. TedKenndysSwimInstructor said on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:02 pm:
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    In essence, since the perp is black I contend that was a prevailing factor in previous liberal judgement bestowed upon him.

    It’s part of the African-American struggle, whereas if he was white the previous punishment would differ - that is a fact.

    It’s only a matter of time before the Manassas Democrat Butt-Wipe newspaper gets a quote from either John Jenkins or Martian Nohe stating that tolerance and understanding should prevail. We have more than two victims here.

    The epic of tolerant liberalism seems to always lead to death beyond the realm of a murdered fetus. Perhaps its their indirect means to population control.

  20. me said on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:20 pm:
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    TedKenndysSwimInstructor ,

    Marty Nohe is the family spokes person and has been a close personal friend of Jean and her family for the past 23 years.

    Right now is NOT the time to start throwing stones at Marty!

  21. anon in dale city said on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:34 pm:
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    The more juvenile delinquent that are in the system the more money it costs. Conservative want a small government, therefore they don’t want juveniles in the system. Isn’t the juvenile justice system a social program? Besides everyone should have a gun and be able to defend themselves right? I wouldn’t have guessed that you conservatives would be the kind of folks that would be going and crying to big government saying it’s not doing enough. That’s an odious liberal trait right? Conservatives can take care of themselves. That is what I’ve been hearing.

  22. TedKenndysSwimInstructor said on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:01 pm:
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    No one is throwing stones at Mr. Nohe.

    The fact he speaks for the family isn’t the prevailing issue.

    That fact is that RINO’s like Mr. Nohe accept the mantra of liberalism as the moderate means to tolerance that leads to the criminal demise of a sane society as we witness here.

  23. me said on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:11 pm:
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    TKSI,

    Glad you knew how close to this family Marty is. That just shows what an a$$ you truly are.

  24. James Young said on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:19 pm:
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    Everybody knows I’m not one to defend Nohe, but I gotta go with “me” on this one.

  25. citizenofmanassas said on 23 Dec 2008 at 11:05 pm:
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    Anon in Dale City.

    If we had fewer social programs, we would be able to put more money into the justice system. We do not need to raise taxes, we just need to spend the money smarter. All we have to do is get rid of liberals like yourself in the justice system, and all will be fine.

    And, yes had that guy broken into my house, there would have been one less scum bag to worry about.

  26. Another Liberal Moron said on 23 Dec 2008 at 11:25 pm:
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    As a liberal moron, I can assure you that any social programs that I support are not actually going to solve any problems. In fact, they will make them worse. Then, I will point at the worsening problem and hold it up as an example of why the government isn’t spending enough money to “fix” the problem, and expand the scope and budget of the social program. Then the cycle continues, as the increased social program continues to cause the problems it purported to fix, only to a larger degree.

    As far as the poor disenfranchised youth, he is a product of his environment and therefore not responsible for his actions. There aren’t enough social programs to “help” them.

  27. chicko said on 24 Dec 2008 at 6:24 am:
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    product of his environment? that’s BS, a person who is 17 years old should be responsible for their own actions regardless of environment. the only person he has to blame are himself and his crappy parents.

  28. Anonymous said on 24 Dec 2008 at 7:48 am:
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    Teddy, you are so wrong. White perps get nothing in the juvenile system. Their moms show up, cry crocodile tears about why their sons should walk free after raping and harming other people’s tears, and the judges let them serve six days of a thirty day sentence - for multiple felonies. All the hard work of the police and the prosecutor and the suffering of the family is for nothing.

  29. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 24 Dec 2008 at 7:56 am:
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    I knew someone would try to throw race into this. At least it was only one race-addled person so far.

    TKSI, you are in your own little world of strangeness. Merry Christmas to you.

  30. DPortM said on 24 Dec 2008 at 8:10 am:
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    Chicko - I believe “Another Liberal Moron” was being sarcastic.

    No amount of punishment for the three suspects will be enough to heal the Smith family members. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

  31. chicko said on 24 Dec 2008 at 8:43 am:
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    two words -

    bullet and brain

    a bullet is the only thing sufficient for these scum bags. what’s even more upsetting is that there are more people involved according to the paper today

  32. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 24 Dec 2008 at 8:56 am:
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    His GF helped him with a fake alibi, that didn’t check out. Hopefully she gets some jail time. Someone else helped hide the gun. He’ll get jail time too I hope. As far as cold-bloodedly killing people, there’s one singular villian and I find it unfortunate that he can’t get the death penalty.

    Kids are coimmitting violent crimes at younger ages these days and I think the idea of juveniles being treated differently for offenses like murder is outdated, if it was ever valid. Heck me personally I think they/we ought to put down that 8-year old? boy who killed his father.

  33. Mando said on 24 Dec 2008 at 9:20 am:
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    Lots of police activity in the Yorkshire area (down Amherst Dr) this morning. 10+ cruisers, helicopter, fire truck, ambulance, and they have the road blocked. Anyone know what’s going on?

  34. Loudoun Insider said on 24 Dec 2008 at 11:17 am:
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    This is so disgusting. I hope Ebert finally gets tossed out of office. PWC needs some real punishment as part of its criminal justice system. As we all know, a Ham Sandwich could have done better with the handling of this juvenile delinquent.

  35. Advocator said on 24 Dec 2008 at 11:35 am:
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    Timothy and Loudoun Insider: Ebert has run unopposed for as long as my semi-tamed pet raccoon can remember. If no one challenges him, what incentive does he have to do the public will?

  36. C. Armstrong said on 24 Dec 2008 at 12:13 pm:
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    While I read this blog everyday, I hardly ever speak out - however, today, I simply couldn’t resist. This young thug is one of many that are out on the streets in our county and trust me when I tell you, he is mild compared to some out there. The juvenile justice system works towards a more rehabilitative stance than punishment and therefore, many young criminals are roaming around. A good majority will graduate to the adult system and will also be hand held until they do something VERY serious. In Virginia, an offender has to practically beg to end up in jail or prison. The police, Ebert, wish that wasn’t the case, but I can tell you, the problem here is the court system and money. It’s as simple as that. Until we decide to spend more money to place these offenders (both adults and juveniles) and expect more serious sentencing from our judges, this catch and release program will continue.

  37. w e stewart said on 24 Dec 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    If, and I say if, the gov’t thug that allows a criminal out on bail, or out of jail for anything, and that release causes the death of a citizen. then we the people should/shall have recourse to prosecute for maliciously causing a death. There is a federal law pertainng to gov’t officials in that, if one causes the death of said offical, the death penalty is mandatory. But, if a gov’t official kills a citzen, well, then that law doesn’t apply. Take the Ruby Ridge muders, They killed a 14 year, old boy by shooting him the back, and then Lon Horiuchi, a FBI sniper killed Mrs Weaver by shooting her in the head while holding her baby daughter, this while standing just outside her front door!
    This type of crime, the killing of an innocent by a released criminal is all to often a happening in the USA. We must change the incarceration requirements of perpetrators of violent crimes, we must do this to protect inncocent members of the law abiding society, and it’s time to stop talking about it and start demanding a change, NOW! Not after twenty more people are murdered by thes dregs of society.
    W E Stewart

  38. Chicko said on 24 Dec 2008 at 7:51 pm:
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    they are all just a bunch of wannabe thugs from what I’ve heard on the street. and now they have taken their final step in the permanent “thughood” unfortunately they’ll be spending their thugging days in prison, which is a fine place for them. the murderer himself will never get out, not the punishment I would have wished but I guess that’s as good as we are going to get, personally I think instantaneous death would be perfect for him.

  39. Chicko said on 26 Dec 2008 at 6:56 am:
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    yep,

    apparently This kid was a little hood from around the 5th or 6th grade and his parents were essentially non-existent his whole life. They basically just threw him out of the house and let him terrorize the neighborhood with impunity. Robbing cars, stealing cars, robbing houses, the works. Pretty much everything but murder and now he’s got that to add to his list of accomplishments.

    Thanks to the lovely juvenile systems for letting this animal roam the streets. The parents need to be locked up too for spawning this horrible creature they call a son.

  40. BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 26 Dec 2008 at 12:04 pm:
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    “The parents need to be locked up too for spawning this horrible creature they call a son.”

    Do you apply that logic to white people too, or just blacks and other minorities? A white guy in a Santa suit just shot a little girl and some other people in the head in California, should we put out an APB on his parents?

    Now beyond your hyperbole there is a civilized point to be made that we should consider holding parents more liable when their kids break the law, especially in terms of monetary comensation - I would agree with that.

  41. Johnson said on 26 Dec 2008 at 4:10 pm:
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    BPDCAYAMTYF-

    How did you arrive at racism from that comment? Do you believe that a person who prefers their own race hates all other races? Stop looking for demons that don’t exist.

    Parents should absolutely be held civilly and criminally liable for the actions of their children. Perhaps their limited parenting skills would surface long enough to keep them both out of court. If Mom and Dad spent the same time doing the punishment that their little thug gets, I doubt it would happen a lot.

  42. Chicko said on 26 Dec 2008 at 7:19 pm:
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    Ricky,

    so where did race come into this? You are acting just like the anti folks, looking for something to bitch about where it doesnt exist.

    this kid is scum, no matter how you slice it. I’m not qualifying my remarks as I feel there is no need to.

    get off your high horse and look at the post for what it is, not for what it could be.

    your an a$$hole

  43. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 27 Dec 2008 at 7:50 am:
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    “so where did race come into this”

    I reread your posts. They’re not “racist”. All I did say though was that they were “hyperbole” (like when you call me an a$$hole when I’m actually a wonderful person) and made a point about the way people think in general.

    But I apologize if the shorthand looks like I’m saying your posts were prejudiced. And I mostly agree with you.

  44. Former Officer said on 27 Dec 2008 at 11:24 am:
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    Some of you are very funny and entertaining to read. Your answer or solution is to lock everyone up. As a former LEO I would have loved to see all scum locked up but we know it’s not practical. Can you even fathom the cost to society, meaning much higher taxes, if we had to build prisons for every convicted felon? Are you willing to pay much more for this? I doubt very few of you really would. I don’t profess to have all of the answers but from reading here many of you are really clueless about the real world.

  45. Billy Bob said on 27 Dec 2008 at 1:42 pm:
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    Chicko, have you read the online reader reactions in today’s MJM? The
    one suggesting that we all should show understanding because of the
    struggle African-Americans have had to endure because of white people….this is too much to digest, IMO. It’s this kind of thinking that
    forces the race card to be played by whites. It’s surprising that the folks
    over at MJM could even print such garbage. They did come through;
    however, when an opinion was printed last week regarding the deputy
    sheriff’s arrest in the child porn sting and how the sheriff’s department
    has failed all of us in this break down of trust. Of course, the posters here
    don’t dare express any outrage over this situation for fear they will piss off
    Greg, who is the number one fan of Glendell Hill.
    We can expect that the voting public will be very cautious before
    expressing any critisism of Obama for fear of being called “racist”. What
    a crock!

    BTW, I was wondering, when I read of the power failure on Oahu this
    morning, why the “Promised One” didn’t just declare “Let there light!”
    Problem solved, don’t you know?

  46. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 27 Dec 2008 at 10:41 pm:
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    “We can expect that the voting public will be very cautious before
    expressing any critisism of Obama for fear of being called “racist”.”

    Are you kidding me? It’s already a cottage industry for the commentators on “America’s #1 News Channel” (”Fair and Balanced”).

    “What a crock!”

    If you mean your previous paragraph, I agree.

    This is America Billy Bob and if you can’t accept that there is a diversity of viewpoints available and active here then you’re in for a very unhappy time here. Perhaps you’d be happier somewhere else, like Germany or Russia.

  47. citizenofmanassas said on 27 Dec 2008 at 11:03 pm:
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    Former officer,

    The answer is simple, lock up people who after breaking the law are eligible for it, and keep them in jail until their sentence is finished. Stop spending so much money on social programs redirect that money to the Justice system. Which felons would you want to set free or not to have to serve time? Cop killers? Those that kill children?

    The real world, is locking people up and getting them out of society for their crimes. We all live in the real world and are sick of criminals getting a slap on the wrist and let go only to commit more crimes.

  48. Former Officer said on 28 Dec 2008 at 2:13 am:
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    Citizenofmanassas,

    Again, you’re living in a fantasy land. I’d love to see all criminals locked up but in real life everyday people commit crimes once in a while and not all deserved to be locked up. Based on your logic then it doesn’t matter what the circumstances are-everyone gets locked up if they commit a crime. You don’t believe compassion has a part when justice is meted out? By all means, locks up murderers and child rapists. But do you lock up and throw away the key for someone stealing food from Giant to feed their family? No easy answer to all of this by any means.

  49. Monkey said on 28 Dec 2008 at 9:03 am:
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    I live in hawaii for many years, had no clue obama was from there until the elections, interesting. Guess he wasnt too popular there, but he is now :)

    Black people dont bother me, I have some in my family. However I do have issues with the portrayal of “gangsta’s” and other hip-hop type crap. That’s what is getting kids into trouble these days, all they gotta do is turn on MTV and now you have instant role models the children look up to and emulate. When 90 Percent of rappers are former gang members (or current) and you have kids listening too them like the gospel, you have a problem there.

    as for the former officer, I’m a former Law enforcement officer as well. During a break from the military I served 4 years on the LAPD running the rampart beat. I dont think I need to be told I’m not a realist. I have seen crap that I still have nightmares about today and will continue to have for the rest of my life. The bottom line is that punishment needs to fit the crime and a standard needs to be maintained. Swift justice is always a deterrent. The law is not perfect, but it’s what we got. It’s one of those things that is always being tweaked.

  50. NoVA Scout said on 28 Dec 2008 at 1:09 pm:
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    Ah - I found it. It’s under the “Slashing the Budget Deficit” post. What’s that all about? Did Royse actually put something up in Insidenova.com that tried to make political hay out of the Smith murders? Or is someone sliming him? It would be hard to judge which act would be more detestable, but it shouldn’t go undiscussed.

  51. Citizen12 said on 28 Dec 2008 at 1:53 pm:
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    Some people are going to be killers no matter what . He may even have come in contact with someone in the juvenile system who would have predicted this as well. That is just where some people are headed.

    The fact is we punish, incarcerate, rehabilitate or whatever you want to call it, for the crimes which have been committed and not what crimes they may commit.

    Lock ‘em up. String ‘em up. Club ‘em like a baby seal. Of the three the last two would be more of a deterrent than the first, but we are currently held to using the first choice in most cases.

    People ask why are so many criminals still on the streets. The articles I have read and people who I have talked to convey the same thing….they have run out of room for the “bad guys”.

    Since the war on drugs ( failure that it is ) has been the fuel for the emergence of the “Prison Industrial Complex”, it is behind schedule in the construction of more profit centers/prisons. Our Senator Webb has some good points on this issue.

    http://webb.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=284989

  52. Johnson said on 28 Dec 2008 at 8:18 pm:
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    Former Officer-stay that way. Leave the job for those of us who are still doing it. Stop being snotty and contribute something of value in place of your elitist attitude.

  53. citizenofmanassas said on 28 Dec 2008 at 9:17 pm:
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    Former,

    In your first post, you said we should not lock up every felon. That is just insane. I said if a person commits a crime and is eligible for jail time, they should do it.

    I’m not big on compassion because there are too many examples where that was provided and the people who received it went on to commit further crimes many much worse than the ones they previously committed.

    With food banks, Churches, etc, there is never a need for people to steal for food.

  54. Johnson said on 29 Dec 2008 at 2:13 pm:
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    Citizen12-I agree that we should decriminalize drugs. We could take the profits away from corrupt foreign (and domestic ) governments and terrorists and keep that money in the U.S.

    We also need to find ways to better reintegrate prisoners back into society. Way back when, you served your time, paid your dues and that was that. Can we go back to that attitude with non violent offenders?

  55. BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 29 Dec 2008 at 3:31 pm:
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    We should not decriminalize “drugs”. They create enough misery and derain on us as they are.

  56. BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears said on 29 Dec 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    drain that is, not derain.

  57. citizenofmanassas said on 29 Dec 2008 at 6:45 pm:
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    It is a myth to believe decriminalizing drugs will do away with smuggling and the crime associated with it. Cigarettes are still stolen and sold on the black market. Any product that is sold in stores can and will be sold on the black market.

  58. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 29 Dec 2008 at 10:10 pm:
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    Agreed - it would make drugs more avaiolable and cheaper.

  59. Citizen12 said on 30 Dec 2008 at 12:01 am:
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    I agree, it is a myth to believe decriminalizing drugs will reduce drug related crime. Just as much a myth that the drug problem has been solved with longer sentences and higher incarceration rates. Just as much a myth that providing free medical services to teenage mothers will reduce the teen pregnancy problem. As well as the myth that this financial collapse “just came out of nowhere”.

    The point I was getting at was this: Don’t expect every government sponsored solution to work. In many cases it just spawns a new industry dependent on the continued existence of that problem of which was to be solved by Big Brother. Making Big Brother a de facto business partner financed with our tax dollars.

  60. citizenofmanassas said on 30 Dec 2008 at 11:24 am:
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    A mixed attitude concerning drugs is why we continue to have problems. While some in law enforcement, the justice system, etc, want to continue to crack down on the drug problem, there are just as many who do not view drugs(so called non additive ones)as a problem. That of course leads to confusion and depending on where one might reside a totally different attitude and opinion from another location.

    I see the same issue with illegal immigration. The Feds confess to wanting to stop it, yet they engage in half hearted attempts(raids on businesses) and completely ignore the issue in other ways.

  61. Johnson said on 30 Dec 2008 at 1:16 pm:
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    My point about decriminalizing drugs is that by doing so, we would drastically reduce the value and profits derived from them. Much like the repeal of the Volstead Act, decriminalization would deny vast amounts of money to the governments, criminal enterprises, gangs and terrorists that rely on drug smuggling and sales for funding. Would it cripple them? I think that governments would topple and the criminals would become severely restricted in their ability to do harm. Will it reduce drug related crime? Probably not. How many people steal for alcohol money? Not as amny as for drug money. It’s an interesting theory and I’d like to see it tested. What is there to lose?

  62. Johnson said on 30 Dec 2008 at 1:17 pm:
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    “Many”. Duh! :-)

  63. citizenofmanassas said on 30 Dec 2008 at 5:02 pm:
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    Johnson,

    Because as it has been pointed out even items that are legal and can be purchased by just about anyone are still smuggled and still used by gangs, the mafia etc to make money.

  64. Citizen12 said on 31 Dec 2008 at 3:10 am:
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    Johnson,
    It is an interesting theory with a potential for success. However, even if there was a “silver bullet” for this problem I don’t think anyone would be prepared for the aftermath.

    After all, there is a huge underground economy dependent on the drug trade keeping peoples head above water and off the homeless rolls. With all the jobs going overseas how are the unskilled drug dealers and addicts and assorted rift raft going to make ends meet if we take away their livelihood?
    Imagine the increase in demand for public funded services if that was wiped out?

    Not to mention the potential loss of millions from confiscated property directly or indirectly supportive of the drug industry which is reintroduced into the communities.

    I suspect the powers that be are content to just keep a lid on it until they line up all those jobs rebuilding our infrastructure that the government keeps talking about.

  65. Johnson said on 31 Dec 2008 at 10:57 am:
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    Citizen-
    Good points, all. Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head, in the fact that our government would just as soon keep drug dealers locked up. Makes sense, in a roundabout way, as drug dealers usually have broken more that drug laws. The skills associated with most criminal enterprises can also be useful in the legitimate work place. There will always be a percentage of the population that will be considered the underclass.We saw the results when Katrina hit N.O. and the underclass lost it’s housing and government support system. How did they cope? They fled to Houston, where they collected government handouts and drove the crime rate up astronomically.
    True, it’s not a silver bullet. It would be a radical turnaround from the status quo. But, it would be a huge eye-opener to all of us on how deep and far the greed and corruption go. The sub prime mortgage debacle was just a drop in the bucket.

  66. citizenofmanassas said on 6 Jan 2009 at 8:29 am:
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    And this is why even if some illegal drugs were made legal there would still be a black market.

    http://www.wtop.com/?nid=722&sid=1565592

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