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	<title>Comments on: DMV: The Law Is For Other People, Not Us</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/</link>
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		<title>By: Pat.Herve</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79751</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat.Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79751</guid>
		<description>How much would they have to raise the renewal fee to cover the costs of the additional staff and training required?

Is that a price we are willing to pay (tax increase)?</description>
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<p>Is that a price we are willing to pay (tax increase)?</p>
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		<title>By: FormerCityofManassasResident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79582</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerCityofManassasResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79582</guid>
		<description>Regarding speeding tickets and having to retake the written exam - you have to have 2 or more in the period since you last renewed your license. One speeding ticket (or moving violation) won't make you have to retake the written exam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding speeding tickets and having to retake the written exam - you have to have 2 or more in the period since you last renewed your license. One speeding ticket (or moving violation) won&#8217;t make you have to retake the written exam.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen12</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79578</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79578</guid>
		<description>For an original, the requirements seem strict but really just and expanded list found on the I-9 employee form, where you get to pick and choose what paperwork you will present as proof.

http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv141.pdf

That being said, if you had already purchased a crooked operators permit via your crooked "driving instructor" and their crooked DMV accomplice at say, Baileys Crossroads, or some such location, then a simple on line renewal is all that is required.  

Happy New Year and Happy Motoring in 2009!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an original, the requirements seem strict but really just and expanded list found on the I-9 employee form, where you get to pick and choose what paperwork you will present as proof.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv141.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv141.pdf</a></p>
<p>That being said, if you had already purchased a crooked operators permit via your crooked &#8220;driving instructor&#8221; and their crooked DMV accomplice at say, Baileys Crossroads, or some such location, then a simple on line renewal is all that is required.  </p>
<p>Happy New Year and Happy Motoring in 2009!</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79577</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79577</guid>
		<description>Nope, no speeding ticket.  Just a Vision Test.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave in PWC</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79574</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in PWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79574</guid>
		<description>June,

I'm told that if you have a speeding ticket you also have to retake the written test, although I got one at the Delaware/Maryland border in 2006 and that didn't hamper me from renewing online for 8 years.  Maybe they don't communicate with Virginia, Delaware that is.

I have heard on this blog that PWCPD made over 10,000 stops last year for driving with no license.  I'm guessing the majority are illegals.  If we could get our BOCS to adopt a law to impound any car driven by someone without a license this could lead to many illegals leaving the county and easing the school burden of their anchor babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m told that if you have a speeding ticket you also have to retake the written test, although I got one at the Delaware/Maryland border in 2006 and that didn&#8217;t hamper me from renewing online for 8 years.  Maybe they don&#8217;t communicate with Virginia, Delaware that is.</p>
<p>I have heard on this blog that PWCPD made over 10,000 stops last year for driving with no license.  I&#8217;m guessing the majority are illegals.  If we could get our BOCS to adopt a law to impound any car driven by someone without a license this could lead to many illegals leaving the county and easing the school burden of their anchor babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79573</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79573</guid>
		<description>Actually, the illegal aliens in NC do have a choice-they can leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the illegal aliens in NC do have a choice-they can leave.</p>
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		<title>By: BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79572</link>
		<dc:creator>BothPartiesDoColludeAgainstYouAndMarketToYourFears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79572</guid>
		<description>Great story.  Looks like NC is doing something right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story.  Looks like NC is doing something right.</p>
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		<title>By: rebelreggie</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79571</link>
		<dc:creator>rebelreggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79571</guid>
		<description>Undocumented Illegal Aliens in North Carolina Face Deportation


By Alexandra Vilchez

CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA -- More than 50,000 Hispanics in North Carolina will not be able to renew their driver's licenses in 2009 and could face deportation thanks to the state's eight separate programs aimed at detecting undocumented immigrants.

From Jan. 1, 2002, to Aug. 28, 2006, North Carolina permitted the use of a taxpayer identification number, an ITIN or W-7, so that residents lacking a Social Security number could apply for a driver's license.

During that period, the Division of Motor Vehicles issued 220,983 licenses valid for five years to applicants presenting the ITIN as identification, the majority of them undocumented immigrants of Hispanic origin.

But under political pressure from anti-immigrant groups reporting that "illegals" from other states were flooding into North Carolina to take out licenses fraudulently, the state legislature approved a restrictive law on July 2006.

The law now bars anybody without legal status in the United States from having a driver's license or a government-issued ID.

According to DMV figures, for the year 2009 around 50,555 drivers - mostly undocumented Hispanics - that obtained licenses with the ITIN must present a Social Security number to get a new one.

Without a license, undocumented Hispanics can neither register a vehicle nor get insurance.

That situation, according to Tony Asion, director of the El Pueblo group in the North Carolina capital of Raleigh, is keeping the state from "collecting a large amount of money from taxes on these services."

"People don't want to drive without licenses but they don't have any other choice than to take a chance and drive, since they can't get to distant places on a bike, and some rural towns don't have good transportation systems," Asion told Efe.

An analysis by The News and Observer newspaper using figures from the court system showed in June that Hispanics are fined for not having a license more than any other ethnic group although they make up only 7 percent of the state's total population.

From April 2006 until now, eight North Carolina counties have activated the 287g program that allows verification of the immigration status of foreign detainees in local jails.

That means that if an undocumented alien is arrested in any of those counties for not having a driver's license, he or she could face deportation.

A report by the North Carolina sheriffs' association revealed last month that between Jan. 1 and Sept. 30, 4,511 foreigners were investigated under the 287g program, of which 3,359 were undocumented.

Of that total, approximately 3,182 were deported and another 177 had previous orders to leave the country.

Some 829, or 23 percent, were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol and 1,215, or 33 percent, for minor traffic infractions.

Eleanor Kinnaird, a Democratic state senator from Carrboro north of Raleigh, told Efe that the 287g is a program that encourages racial profiling.

"They take Hispanics to jail for not having a license and to citizens they just issue a summons to appear in court. That is simple discrimination," the senator said.

Asion predicts that in 2009 the arrests of undocumented aliens for not having a license will continue, and for that reason the organization he directs will begin talks this year with lawmakers and will pressure them to restore the privilege of driving to the undocumented.

"It's better for the state in these times of financial crisis. And the streets are safer if people know the laws and can respond in case of an accident," he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undocumented Illegal Aliens in North Carolina Face Deportation</p>
<p>By Alexandra Vilchez</p>
<p>CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA &#8212; More than 50,000 Hispanics in North Carolina will not be able to renew their driver&#8217;s licenses in 2009 and could face deportation thanks to the state&#8217;s eight separate programs aimed at detecting undocumented immigrants.</p>
<p>From Jan. 1, 2002, to Aug. 28, 2006, North Carolina permitted the use of a taxpayer identification number, an ITIN or W-7, so that residents lacking a Social Security number could apply for a driver&#8217;s license.</p>
<p>During that period, the Division of Motor Vehicles issued 220,983 licenses valid for five years to applicants presenting the ITIN as identification, the majority of them undocumented immigrants of Hispanic origin.</p>
<p>But under political pressure from anti-immigrant groups reporting that &#8220;illegals&#8221; from other states were flooding into North Carolina to take out licenses fraudulently, the state legislature approved a restrictive law on July 2006.</p>
<p>The law now bars anybody without legal status in the United States from having a driver&#8217;s license or a government-issued ID.</p>
<p>According to DMV figures, for the year 2009 around 50,555 drivers - mostly undocumented Hispanics - that obtained licenses with the ITIN must present a Social Security number to get a new one.</p>
<p>Without a license, undocumented Hispanics can neither register a vehicle nor get insurance.</p>
<p>That situation, according to Tony Asion, director of the El Pueblo group in the North Carolina capital of Raleigh, is keeping the state from &#8220;collecting a large amount of money from taxes on these services.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;People don&#8217;t want to drive without licenses but they don&#8217;t have any other choice than to take a chance and drive, since they can&#8217;t get to distant places on a bike, and some rural towns don&#8217;t have good transportation systems,&#8221; Asion told Efe.</p>
<p>An analysis by The News and Observer newspaper using figures from the court system showed in June that Hispanics are fined for not having a license more than any other ethnic group although they make up only 7 percent of the state&#8217;s total population.</p>
<p>From April 2006 until now, eight North Carolina counties have activated the 287g program that allows verification of the immigration status of foreign detainees in local jails.</p>
<p>That means that if an undocumented alien is arrested in any of those counties for not having a driver&#8217;s license, he or she could face deportation.</p>
<p>A report by the North Carolina sheriffs&#8217; association revealed last month that between Jan. 1 and Sept. 30, 4,511 foreigners were investigated under the 287g program, of which 3,359 were undocumented.</p>
<p>Of that total, approximately 3,182 were deported and another 177 had previous orders to leave the country.</p>
<p>Some 829, or 23 percent, were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol and 1,215, or 33 percent, for minor traffic infractions.</p>
<p>Eleanor Kinnaird, a Democratic state senator from Carrboro north of Raleigh, told Efe that the 287g is a program that encourages racial profiling.</p>
<p>&#8220;They take Hispanics to jail for not having a license and to citizens they just issue a summons to appear in court. That is simple discrimination,&#8221; the senator said.</p>
<p>Asion predicts that in 2009 the arrests of undocumented aliens for not having a license will continue, and for that reason the organization he directs will begin talks this year with lawmakers and will pressure them to restore the privilege of driving to the undocumented.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s better for the state in these times of financial crisis. And the streets are safer if people know the laws and can respond in case of an accident,&#8221; he said.</p>
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		<title>By: CONVA</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79570</link>
		<dc:creator>CONVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79570</guid>
		<description>I renewed my driver license over the internet in December and am good until 2013.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I renewed my driver license over the internet in December and am good until 2013.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerCityofManassasResident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79567</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerCityofManassasResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79567</guid>
		<description>I moved recently, and when I went to change the address on my license - as it was 3 months away from needing renewal, they gave me the opportunity to renew it over the internet at the same time, and as other posters said - more or less encouraged me to do so. No proof of anything, no need for vision test or new photo, etc. My new license now expires on 3/31/2017! By then I won't look anything like the photo that was taken back in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved recently, and when I went to change the address on my license - as it was 3 months away from needing renewal, they gave me the opportunity to renew it over the internet at the same time, and as other posters said - more or less encouraged me to do so. No proof of anything, no need for vision test or new photo, etc. My new license now expires on 3/31/2017! By then I won&#8217;t look anything like the photo that was taken back in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79566</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79566</guid>
		<description>A bit off subject but has anyone other than me noticed the influx of Hispanics back in the Sudley/Westgate area?  A number of them are moving into the same houses that were previously occupied by Hispanics and then went to foreclosure.   Hope we are not going to end up with the same problems we had a year ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off subject but has anyone other than me noticed the influx of Hispanics back in the Sudley/Westgate area?  A number of them are moving into the same houses that were previously occupied by Hispanics and then went to foreclosure.   Hope we are not going to end up with the same problems we had a year ago!</p>
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		<title>By: Vigilant1</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79565</link>
		<dc:creator>Vigilant1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79565</guid>
		<description>June said on 31 Dec 2008 at 8:37 am: Flag comment 
My renewal notice arrived last month for renewal in January. It specifically stated that I can NOT renew online and must renew AT a DMV office, presenting specific documents. 

Did you renew your present licnese via the internet five years ago?  You can do it once and then you must take the eye test for the renewal.  I renewd mine five years ago and when the renewal came up, it said I must renew at a DMV office.  The eye test was the reason it could not be renewed again on the internet.  New license is good for 8 years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June said on 31 Dec 2008 at 8:37 am: Flag comment<br />
My renewal notice arrived last month for renewal in January. It specifically stated that I can NOT renew online and must renew AT a DMV office, presenting specific documents. </p>
<p>Did you renew your present licnese via the internet five years ago?  You can do it once and then you must take the eye test for the renewal.  I renewd mine five years ago and when the renewal came up, it said I must renew at a DMV office.  The eye test was the reason it could not be renewed again on the internet.  New license is good for 8 years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79562</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79562</guid>
		<description>Medic- it sucks that they wouldn't take the original, but at least the effort was made to verify the documentation. I showed three different forms of citizenship identification (original birth certificate from D.C., federal law enforcement credentials and official U.S. passport) when I renewed a few years ago. I have frequent dealings with the DMV down here in Hampton roads, as the returning service people have to present us with certain documentation when importing their cars into the U.S. from foreign duty stations. I called the info number from the DMV website to see if I could talk to the local (Newport News) DMV manager to coordinate our efforts in helping these returning GI's through the process more efficiently. The phone was answered by a person at the Richmond office who would not give me the Newport News office phone number, transfer me or even tell me how to contact them. Instead, I was informed that I had to go there in person and make an appointment. I thanked her for her time and non-effort in helping me and let it drop. There has to be phones at the various DMV offices, so why are the numbers kept secret? Is the service really so bad that people harass them that much? Shouldn't that be a big hint to improve service?  I understand that it's not the easiest job on earth and I am sympathetic, ensuring that I am as courteous as possible in my dealings with them. 
My ideal answer is to have our people (Homeland Security) at the DMV to verify documents. We have trained experts and a document lab for that express purpose. We teamed up with DMV in Ohio for a trial run last year after they passed similar legislation and it worked like a charm. We worked with the locals to prosecute those who presented false documents and the word spread like wildfire in the illegal alien community to keep away from the DMV, even though we did not arrest or detain anyone based on immigration status.

If we make it hard to be here, they will leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medic- it sucks that they wouldn&#8217;t take the original, but at least the effort was made to verify the documentation. I showed three different forms of citizenship identification (original birth certificate from D.C., federal law enforcement credentials and official U.S. passport) when I renewed a few years ago. I have frequent dealings with the DMV down here in Hampton roads, as the returning service people have to present us with certain documentation when importing their cars into the U.S. from foreign duty stations. I called the info number from the DMV website to see if I could talk to the local (Newport News) DMV manager to coordinate our efforts in helping these returning GI&#8217;s through the process more efficiently. The phone was answered by a person at the Richmond office who would not give me the Newport News office phone number, transfer me or even tell me how to contact them. Instead, I was informed that I had to go there in person and make an appointment. I thanked her for her time and non-effort in helping me and let it drop. There has to be phones at the various DMV offices, so why are the numbers kept secret? Is the service really so bad that people harass them that much? Shouldn&#8217;t that be a big hint to improve service?  I understand that it&#8217;s not the easiest job on earth and I am sympathetic, ensuring that I am as courteous as possible in my dealings with them.<br />
My ideal answer is to have our people (Homeland Security) at the DMV to verify documents. We have trained experts and a document lab for that express purpose. We teamed up with DMV in Ohio for a trial run last year after they passed similar legislation and it worked like a charm. We worked with the locals to prosecute those who presented false documents and the word spread like wildfire in the illegal alien community to keep away from the DMV, even though we did not arrest or detain anyone based on immigration status.</p>
<p>If we make it hard to be here, they will leave.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79561</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicko, I haven't added to or amended my drivers license since it was initially issued.  Wish I could renew online but  the renewal form clearly states I have to go into an office and take the Vision Test.   

To bad we couldn't take the test on line, or send in a copy our latest Optometrist appointment and prescription updte.  

  Such is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicko, I haven&#8217;t added to or amended my drivers license since it was initially issued.  Wish I could renew online but  the renewal form clearly states I have to go into an office and take the Vision Test.   </p>
<p>To bad we couldn&#8217;t take the test on line, or send in a copy our latest Optometrist appointment and prescription updte.  </p>
<p>  Such is life.</p>
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		<title>By: chicko</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79560</link>
		<dc:creator>chicko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79560</guid>
		<description>I just renewed on the web, was quick and easy honestly. I wear corrective lenses and didnt have to go there. However I went a few years ago since I needed a motorcycle endorsement which was pretty easy (other than standing in a long line full people)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just renewed on the web, was quick and easy honestly. I wear corrective lenses and didnt have to go there. However I went a few years ago since I needed a motorcycle endorsement which was pretty easy (other than standing in a long line full people)</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79559</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79559</guid>
		<description>@ June: "I seriously doubt this will happen though, our GA is not all that Citizen Friendly."

You got that understatement of the year in just under the wire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ June: &#8220;I seriously doubt this will happen though, our GA is not all that Citizen Friendly.&#8221;</p>
<p>You got that understatement of the year in just under the wire.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79558</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79558</guid>
		<description>While I'm logged in:  Happy New Year to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m logged in:  Happy New Year to all!</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79557</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79557</guid>
		<description>Advocator said on 31 Dec 2008 at 9:24 am: 
June: Do you have a bill no. for the legislation you quoted?

There is no bill - its a recommendation to introduce a bill to expand on the existing legislation.  

I seriously doubt this will happen though, our GA is not all that Citizen Friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advocator said on 31 Dec 2008 at 9:24 am:<br />
June: Do you have a bill no. for the legislation you quoted?</p>
<p>There is no bill - its a recommendation to introduce a bill to expand on the existing legislation.  </p>
<p>I seriously doubt this will happen though, our GA is not all that Citizen Friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79556</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79556</guid>
		<description>Oh great, I have one of the "old ones."  I have a passport, but will probably need one at some time in the near future, so I might as well ask about the "new and improved" birth certificate. 

Thanks for the heads up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great, I have one of the &#8220;old ones.&#8221;  I have a passport, but will probably need one at some time in the near future, so I might as well ask about the &#8220;new and improved&#8221; birth certificate. </p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79555</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/12/31/dmv-the-law-is-for-other-people-not-us/#comment-79555</guid>
		<description>June:

Do you have a bill no. for the legislation you quoted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June:</p>
<p>Do you have a bill no. for the legislation you quoted?</p>
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