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In Honor Of The Inauguration Of Barack Obama

By Greg L | 19 January 2009 | National Politics | 173 Comments

That flushing sound you heard was our Constitution. We are now governed by the law of the jungle. To make it even better, there’s a move underfoot to make the Maximum Leader a “President for Life”. 

As Inauguration Day approaches and Barack Obama prepares to assume his first term as president, some in Congress are hoping to make it possible for the Democrat to not only seek a second term in office, but a third and fourth as well.

The U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary is considering a bill that would repeal the Constitution’s 22nd Amendment prohibiting a president from being elected to more than two terms in office.

Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., earlier this month introduced the bill, H. J. Res. 5, which, according to the bill’s language, proposes “an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.”

To hell with all the rules, right?

Personally, I find the hyper-adulatory coverage of the inauguration of their messiah by the media disgusting.



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173 Comments

  1. sahdman said on 19 Jan 2009 at 9:57 pm:
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    It will be a proud day for Kenya. I am still in denial that America voted for “Oholibama our grand enchanted leader king”. I guess hardworking honest citizens have finally been out numbered by elitist snobs and welfare recipients. Sad day for America.

  2. NoVA Scout said on 19 Jan 2009 at 10:09 pm:
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    Oh really. It shouldn’t be too hard to come to a definitive conclusion as to whether Obama was born in this country or was not. What’s the answer? Where was he born? As to anything that happened after his birth, the Constitution doesn’t address what happens to natural born citizens, in this case a minor, who live abroad after being born here and then return. Unless someone comes up with the goods on Obama being born outside the US, this kind of thing just makes its disseminators look barmy.

  3. monticup said on 19 Jan 2009 at 10:30 pm:
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    Even if Obama was born in Hawaii he still would not be a NATURAL BORN citizen. His father was a citizen ofKenya (Great Britain) and his mother was an American. BOTH parents must be Americans in order for the child to be a natural born American.

    He can’t change the fact that his father was not an American. Could it be that Obama is an illegal alien!?

  4. monticup said on 19 Jan 2009 at 10:37 pm:
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    Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, his US citizenship was renounced when he moved to Indonesia. He had to be an Indonesian (and a Muslim) in order to attend school. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

    Upon his return to Hawaii he would have had to apply to be a naturalized US citizen before the age of 18. My guess is that Obama never applied to reinstate his citizenship. It does not matter regarding his eligibility to be POTUS whether he reinstated his citizenship or not—because it is impossible for him to be a NATURAL BORN citizen.

    Anyone who has done any digging on Obama’s background knows this. Hillary knows this. Michelle Obama knows this. The Supremes HAVE to know this.

  5. Slick said on 19 Jan 2009 at 11:36 pm:
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    There is a reason DumbO wont release his birth certificate. He has spent millions trying to keep it hidden from the public. At first we all thought it was just because it showed he was a muslim which we now know it in fact did, but now he is still fighting in court to keep it from being released and with funding and support from DNC lawyers. Ask yourself why? Eventually we will get a copy of the bc and then the sh*t hits the fan kids, impeachment, riots, constitutional crisis. DumbO has just committed the greatest fraud in world history, trashing the US constitution in the process (which he plans to rewrite by the way). Buy guns and plenty of ammo.

  6. Anonymous said on 19 Jan 2009 at 11:51 pm:
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    Could anyone imagine the dire consequences for this country and it’s citizens if in fact Obama was not a legal (legitimate) citizen of this country and he was removed from office? Oh boy!

  7. monticup said on 19 Jan 2009 at 11:58 pm:
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    What’s worse: riots or not having a legitimate, eligible president? Obama is not, never was, and never can be a “natural born” US citizen.

  8. Crystal Clear Conservative said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:01 am:
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    I am mourning the loss of our liberties and the ignorance of our Constitution. May God bless and protect us from the misfortunes of the next four years.

  9. Slick said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:19 am:
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    Oh it’s far worse than riots folks, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. When DumbO is proven to be a fraud, everything he ever did as pres will be immediately illegal, so for instance trade agreements, appointments including judges, policy changes etc all will have to be unobamatized. Just think of the amount of lawsuits which will follow. It’s a nightmare of epic proportion. Thanks to the leftist activist media we should have found out this info before the election.

  10. Proud American said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:30 am:
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    Okay…this site has officially jumped the shark. Never has a website become so irrelevant so quickly.

    Enjoy your time in the desert. At least you have your loony conspiracy theories to keep you company.

    I know this thread was supposed to make liberals angry. Epic fail. It’s just sad. Very, very sad.

  11. Billy Bob said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:00 am:
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    Proud American (very questionable), I doubt that the purpose of this thread
    is with the intent to make liberals angry, but I do have to agree with you
    that it’s very, very sad. Sad that the American people have been
    mesmerized by a slick talking Chicago thug. It won’t take long for
    most of those Obamamaniacs to realize that their guy is not living up
    to their expectations and his promises, and believe me, they will take him
    down.
    The many who have been welfare pampered all their lives and refuse to
    get off their lazy asses will suddenly realize their messiah isn’t doing for
    them what he promised.

    Slick, the subject of Obama’s legal/illegal status has been around for
    a while, so blame not only the biased media but also the Supremes
    for turning deaf ears on those law suits filed by those brave enough
    to question Obama’s status.

  12. Pat.Herve said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:22 am:
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    well, look at the choice we had, I prefer Obama with Vision than ‘the economy is strong McCain.

    This hype just goes with the Republican Party mantra of spreading FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - well, I doubt it will continue to work for long.

  13. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:23 am:
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    “Okay…this site has officially jumped the shark. ” I agree. The only reason to read threads like this is as a study of anger, depression, and/or abnormal psychology.

  14. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:25 am:
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    When George W won that election that the Supreme Court ensured victory in, I said “well, I think he’s wrong about everything, but he has my best wishes and I hope we can come toigether”. Also, I felt - good for the conservatives! They think that they have all teh answers, I hope they’re at least enjoying the moment. In the end we’re all Americans.

    I detect no patriotism or good will for America in this thread. Just rationalization for hateful feelings.

  15. GWTPOGO said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:56 am:
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    After Obama is sworn in, if you can’t be loyal to the President of the United States I suggest you find a Country where you are more comfortable. We have enough problems without rampant disloyalty within our own citizenry. I would happily do a deal to trade citizenship for immigrants who would literally die to be in this Country in exchange for disloyal Americans (whose citizenship we would strip followed by deportation).

    The good news you are a distinct minority… and I’m guessing the Secret Service will be very interested in your opinions in the future. (Reference USC 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency.)

    Get with the program or get out (GWTPOGO).

  16. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:57 am:
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    Proud American(???)

    This blog long ago pissed off liberals. You are just pissed that O is not getting the same star treatment he is receiving from the media.

    Some of the this stuff is tin hat. However, it seems that O could have put a rest to it all had he simple provided the right document and not one from the Daily Kos.

    On another similar note Chris Plante talked about the move, The Manchurian Candidate and how Ape Lincoln was a common thread in that movie and in O’s run up to the WH. Hmm.

  17. John Galt said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:03 am:
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    I have hope. I hope now that Obama is President, he realizes he must be the President to 100% of the American people, not just the 53% or so who voted for him. I hope he disgards the fringe left, and that he doesn’t need their support to govern, or get reelected. I hope that he respects EVERY right garanteed by the US Constitution, and not just the ones left-leaning liberal elites would favor. I hope the reality of economics 101 sinks in, and he realizes that the US Government cannot tax the country back to prosperity. I hope he realizes that the country cannot continue to live beyond its means, and borrow against tomorrow, and leads by example. I hope that Obama loves this country for the very things that make it great: Freedom, Liberty, Capitalism, and the opportunity for every individual to work hard and relaize the American Dream. I hope that for as much as Obama would like to “Change” the country, he is “changed” equally.

    Good Luck, Mr. President.

  18. BattleCat said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:09 am:
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    BothPartiesCollude,

    Perhaps you’ll relate to this a little better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A832RUnk6s

    Enjoy!

  19. Cheetah said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:27 am:
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    it is a proud day for kenya, they have officially taken over the united states. are we going to be the “united states of kenya” now: :)

  20. Groveton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:54 am:
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    John Gault - well written. Hoping for failure now is just as unpatriotic as the liberals crying for prosecution of Bush for “crimes against humanity”. Enough is enough.

    In my lifetime America has elected four relatively liberal Democrats to the White House - Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton. Johnson and Carter were disasters, Kennedy and Clinton did pretty good jobs. Meanwhile, America elected five Republicans - Nixon, Ford (I know - not really elected), Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Nixon and Bush II were disasters. Bush I and Ford were pretty average (although I think Ford was underappreciated). Reagan was a spectactular President.

    Will Obama be a Carter or a Kennedy? I don’t know. But I sure hope that he becomes a Kennedy or a Clinton.

    I have some serious reservations about President-elect Obama. His ultra-liberal voting record in the Senate stands in stark conflict with his image as a presidential candidate who can see both sides of the political spectrum and work with Republicans. Was Senator Obama the real Obama or was presidential candidate Obama the real Obama? I don’t know.

    Eliminating the term limit amendment was discussed as Ronald Reagan’s second term came to an end. Despite some early buzz the idea just faded away. I expect the same here although I have to marvel at the gall of the Democrats - at least the Reganites waited until President Reagan had been successful for many years before putting the ideas on the table. The Democrats are ready to coronate this guy before he even takes office. Hopefully, this is just a random liberal thought. In any event, I can’t imagne a repeal of the term limit amendment passing the constitutional amendment process. That amandment was passed after another Democratic hero - FDR - proved that a president’s run away ego could put the country in jeopardy.

    I say, “God Speed, Obama.”. America wants you to succeed. But I also say, “We’ll be watching closely and 53% of the vote isn’t really all that big a majority”. Carter, Bush I and Ford didn’t get re-elected (or elected in Ford’s case). Nixon was pushed out of office for good reason. Johnson wisely decided not to run in 1968. Over the last 50 years, full two term presidents have been the exception, not the rule. And even a full two term president like Clinton got slapped in the mid-term elections by Newt, et al. Gen. Washington, Mr. Jefferson and the other founders understood checks and balances on presidential power. Hopefully, President-elect Obama understand this too.

  21. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 20 Jan 2009 at 9:24 am:
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    A fair statement Groveton.

    Of course the book of Obama’s Presidency is yet to be written but I read that he is collaborating with McCain and Lindsay Graham on his cabinet choices. That inspires no faith in me but it does indicate he’s trying to build working relatioinships with “moderate” Republicans.

    I profoundly disagree with much of Obama’s agenda but I do this that by closing offshore tax loopholes he can and will restore some sanity, by focusing our resources inward rather than outward.

  22. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:09 am:
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    Sorry, Nut Jobs, but Obama has already proven his Natural Citizen status by release of his Certificate of Live Birth, which is Hawaii’s official birth record document. It is all that will be released. Period. SCOTUS has washed its hands of the issue. It is over. Done.

    Bush is history (THANKFULLY!) and Obama will become President in 2 hrs.

    I must add that it warms the very cockles of my blue-bleeding liberal heart to see you righties with your knickers all a-twist. Make yourselves comfortable out there in the wilderness, ‘cause you’ll be gone for a long, long time. See ya!

  23. MdMan said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:36 am:
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    All US flags should be flown at half-staff today. Our dear new leader’s mug is everywhere, I feel like I’m living in North Korea. It is disgusting how over-exposed this ego maniac is.

    I will never understand how a man with associations with Rev Wright, Ayers, Rezcko, Farakahn…etc. etc. became our president. And on top of that he never proved he is a bona fide US Citizen. He is a fraud, and I just do not accept his legitmacy to hold the office. 60 million Americans will soon have buyer’s remorse.

    Hold on to your hats, the next 4 years will be interesting indeed. I hope it is not bye-bye-Amercan Pie.

  24. NoVA Scout said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:37 am:
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    Monticup, re your 2230 comment, someone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, even if his father was an immigrant. It’s an interesting notion that Obama became an Indonesian citizen. Whatever Indonesia’s policies might be on citizenship, the US recognizes dual nationalities. I have several friends who are US citizens and citizens of other countries also, and carry both passports. But if, as a minor child, his mother removed to Indonesia and had him naturalized there, it doesn’t end the discussion, either because he did not lose his American citizenship, or because he renewed it when he returned. Does he have a US passport? That would seems dispositive. In any event, if there were the slightest bit of reliable evidence that the man wasn’t born in the United States, or were otherwise ineligible because of citizenship issues, it would have surfaced by now, would have gone up to the Supreme Court, and his candidacy and/or inuguration would have been stopped cold a long time ago. Give it up. Without something better than you’ve got, you’re just howling at the moon.

  25. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:39 am:
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    Just when I think it can’t get any lower, you again lower the bar for yourself.

  26. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:53 am:
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    I bleed,

    He did not release it.

    So, you want to ruin the economy further with liberal polices? Just look at the States of NY and California, where liberal polices have made those States unlivable. California and NY rank 1 and 2 on the States that lost the most population in 2008. Why is that? You want a weak defense like we had under Carter and Clinton? You want terrorists to be able to attack us like they did under Clinton and for us not to fight back?

    Virgina is one of the best States in the Country to do business, why is that? Because we still have a few conservative polices that make it easier for businesses to come here, or to start here and to be successful. Of course that also means jobs, and more tax revenue for the State. While Virginia is obviously feeling the economic down turn, we are in much better shape than many States that are run by liberals. Look at Rhode Island, where they have liberal policies in place. Unemployment is at 8%, 75% of businesses have less than 25 employees because it is not worth the risk to expand or grow because those businesses will just be punished by the States’ liberal policies. California may have to delay tax rebates because they do not have enough money. NY is looking at taxing just about everything. Do you really want to live in a State that taxes ipod downloads? Or taxes a regular soda more than it does a diet soda?

    You either support the end of the United States as we know it or are just poorly informed when it comes to just how horrible liberal policies are.

  27. monticup said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:54 am:
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    NoVa: Stop talking about records. The State of Hawaii, Punahou School, Occidental College, Columbia University, & Harvard Law School have all sealed their Obama records.

    If we had access to the records, every citizenship issue could be put to rest, couldn’t it? One would think you’d welcome a thorough examination of all records, including medical records.

    Are we going to have to wait 50 years for the records to be released (like we did with the Soviet Venona transcriptions)?

    Furthermore, you’re incorrect about what a natural born citizen is. BOTH parents must be US citizens.

  28. Johnson said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:54 am:
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    Check out the front page of USA Today. The print version has a picture of Obama in a messianic, pope-like pose while the headline reads, “Obama Takes Power”. Racist and narcissisitic, all at once!

  29. Johnson said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:56 am:
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    Whoops! “narcissistic”. I am a pitiful, bitter, non-spelling conservative, deserving of sympathy from liberals.

  30. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:03 am:
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    Yikes, clearly peaceful transition of power is one of those “cafeteria patriot choices” ??? :)

  31. Wow said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:04 am:
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    USA Today is “racist” yet on the day the first black President takes office this blog talks of our nation turning to “the law of the jungle.” Pot meet kettle.

    Y’all need to just get over it. Obama fairly won an election (and by a much larger margin than Bush did in the questionable 2000 race). He is, like it or not, your President. How about affording him the respect that the office calls for?

  32. monticup said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:04 am:
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    citizenofmanassas: You’re right. Look at our neighbor, West Virginia. It’s a basket case. WHY? Because it does not have a hospitable business environment. WV drives businesses away and discourages new business to go there. Why would a business go to a state with high taxes and workers who are leaving the state?

    Because of their easy malpractice lawsuit climate, physicians won’t practice there and there’s a serious shortage of medical care. BTW, WV is a corrupt one-party Democrat state.

    What Obama and his lefties will do is institute a Soviet style central planning scheme. Businesses will be forced to locate where they cannot produce efficiently. Doctors will be forced to practice where malpractice lawyers rule. This is what our country is coming to.

  33. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:07 am:
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    Yeah, it was the deliberate use of the word jungle that grabbed my attention. Wow. This is better than a train wreck.

  34. monticup said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:07 am:
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    Wow: Yes Obama won the election. He ran a brilliant campaign. But he was not vetted thoroughly by the Democrat party. He is not a natural born citizen.

  35. Emma said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:08 am:
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    C’mon, folks, just for one day enjoy the pretty pictures and the uniquely American traditions. It’s still a great country.

  36. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:12 am:
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    Thank you Emma. I was raised to be respectful of the position and the tradition even if I did not like the person. Being born American is something to be proud of. I like to think that those that weren’t are jealous!! :)

  37. 999 said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:13 am:
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    For all of the jailhouse lawyers:
    The Citizenship Flowchart By Robert James McWhirter, American Bar Association Section of Criminal Justice

    The answer should be here!

    http://books.google.com/books?id=OdZu2TNnqWEC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=requirements+for+u.s.+citizens+living+abroad+to+maintain+their+citizenship&source=web&ots=MUXjVn_2MF&sig=9qHo8Et21RztSNF4bzStkfQiyTY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1

  38. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:30 am:
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    Citi –
    You sure like putting words in my mouth!

    No, I don’t want to ruin the economy. BTW, Bush’s decision to federalize AIG, Fannie, Freddie, et al. is about the most liberal economic move EVER. Do you disagree?

    I have lived in CA (and you surely have not). It is hardly “unlivable.” Please shove your jaundiced, smug, knee-jerk rhetoric up your ass.

    According to the Census Bureau, which has published data through July 1, 2008: “The only two states to lose population [July 1, 2007, and July 1, 2008] were Michigan and Rhode Island. Michigan’s population declined 0.5 percent (46,000), while Rhode Island’s fell 0.2 percent (2,000). You can shove your NY & CA nonsense, too.

    No, I don’t want a weak defense. Nor do I want us to invade and occupy a sovereign nation under false pretense. I want the actors of 9/11 to FINALLY be brought to justice!

    Virginia is one of the best States in the Country to do business because skilled, educated people LIKE ME live here! Rhode Island has 8% unemployment because it overly relied on manufacturing textiles, which are much, much cheaper to produce elsewhere.

    It is you, Citi, who is poorly informed, although you are far too happy wallowing in your hatred and bias to ever comprehend it.

  39. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:35 am:
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    Of course being born American is great. Yet, we have too many people in positions of power who want to cheapen United States Citizenship by giving it away as if it were candy, and by not teaching Civics as it once was.

    We have spent the last eight years hearing how our outgoing President stole both elections. We have an openly hostile media toward anyone or anything that is not liberal. There is now talk from our newly elected Congress they are open to looking at criminal charges for some members of the outgoing Administration.

    We have more police and security then ever before for a change in “power”. Many people liken our next President to be a Savior. Troubling times indeed.

  40. Chuckie said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:51 am:
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    Is someone who is actually named, “Bow Wow” actually performing in the inauguration?

  41. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:56 am:
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    Bow Wow is some rapper at the kids party. I am more astonished with the Rick Warren show.

  42. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:02 pm:
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    At last, our eight-years-long national nightmare is over!

    The Bush Administration is DEAD! Long live Barack HUSSEIN Obama!

  43. Chuckie said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:03 pm:
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    So Bow Wow performed for the kids? I’m sure that was inspirational as well as educational.

  44. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:12 pm:
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    Don’t know much about rap, but Rick sure was entertaining….. neither inspirational nor educational… :)

  45. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:16 pm:
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    Benton,

    What is wrong with Rick Warren? Did you notice how when it was announced that Rick Warren was going to take part how the media went hog wild. Yet, when it was announced an openly gay Bishop was going to take part, there was nothing said.

    The media wants to think it is an outrage to have a Pastor speak out against homosexuality, when in fact he is just following the guide book. Yet, we are supposed to be fine with an openly gay Bishop.

  46. FormerCoMEmployee said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:16 pm:
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    Monticup and everyone else with doomsday predictions, I am a moderate conservative who voted for McCain, and to this day would not vote for Obama. But the bottom line is he is our president so get over it. By the way, I do not care if both his parents were here illegally, if he was born in the United States, he is a natural born citizen. This event happens every four years and many times with a new person and we have survived them all. We will survive this one also, even if he turns out to be the worse president we have ever had.

  47. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:19 pm:
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    I have no issue with Rick Warren I pretty much agree with his purpose (!) - don’t think he needed to bring race into it. It’s pretty much in front of us. That’s all.

    He should have stuck to prayer and hope. That’s all.

  48. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:19 pm:
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    Funny how the media and the libs want us to treat Obama with respect. Yet, these are the very people who spent the last eight years bashing President Bush.

  49. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:21 pm:
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    Benton,

    I’m not watching, so I missed what he said.

  50. Slick said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:26 pm:
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    DumbO, the first illegal alien president. He’ll be deported in 2 years. Who’s your next nominee for president scumocrats, Hugo Chavez or Castro?

  51. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:27 pm:
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    Just varying references to African Americans….. and history. His role was prayer. That’s how I see it. Stick to your role.

    I’m not so sure the media (some) might not be sick of themselves. Both Obama and Bush are gentlemen and have good manners - now that would change I could live with. Two Presidents in a row with manners and grace. Shutting down raging angry people….. or treating them with so much respect so they begin to act human again.

    Good manners is a fading quality among Americans. So sad.

  52. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:29 pm:
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    What is wrong with Rick Warren, Citi? He is a bigot. That is why many on the left have reacted viscerally against his selection as an Inauguration speaker.

    Uninformed as you are, I’m sure you do not know that the opening prayer offered by Gene Robinson, the “first openly gay, non-celibate priest to be ordained a bishop in a major Christian denomination at the “We Are One” concert, intended to celebrate the inauguration of Barack Obama with a spirit of unity, was not televised by HBO. Although, I’d guess, you’re happy about that.

  53. Johnson said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:29 pm:
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    Wow- the same respect that liberals have been giving Bush? Truth be told, I didn’t like Bush, either. Politics should not be a family business. Respect is good, but opinions are more important. The Office of POTUS became a joke when Clinton used it to have sex. Congress is twice as bad. I’m sick of “hope”. Hope in one hand and poop in the other. Nothing is going to “change” until we, the people initiate it.

    Thank you for your indulgence of my rant. Standard apologies to those who are offended.

    I pray for the future of our country. I pray that President Obama is a good man and will do his best to guide our government and lead our nation. I pray that the Congress will stop colluding against us and do what is necessary to restore our integrity as a nation and make our country a shining example of liberty for all mankind.

  54. Tyler Durden said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:30 pm:
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    After the speech - stock market is down 2% and gold is up 3%. Looks like the smart people are investing for inflation.

  55. Benton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:34 pm:
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    How you do something is remembered long after it’s done. Opinions can be given respectfully. Actually, if you want to change someone’s mind you have to do it respectfully or they don’t listen to you. Respect results in outcomes.

    Hope is not a strategy - respect can be.

  56. Flavius Maximus said on 20 Jan 2009 at 1:21 pm:
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    “Furthermore, you’re incorrect about what a natural born citizen is. BOTH parents must be US citizens.”

    This is only the case if the child is a “born abroad” natural citizen. I know this to be fact, because one of my children is a “US Citizen, Born Abroad”. ANY child born on US soil can claim US citizenship, except those born to people in the US whose parents are here on diplomatic papers.

    Rightly or wrongly, the courts have spoken on the “Obama Citizenship” issue. Continuing to clutch at this as some thing that will undo the election and bring down the administration is a pipe-dream. Obama has taken the oath. He is the President. Those records will be sealed tighter than a gnat’s behind.

    If you want to limit the damage that Obama, Reid and Pelosi will do over the next two years (remember the mid-terms), then you need to do so from a position of “Loyal Opposition”. The liberals spent eight years attacking “Bush the Man”, and have little really to show for it. Bush, and the big spender’s in the GOP controlled house and senate lost the support of the American people because of what THEY did themselves. Not because of what the far-left and their allies in the media said.

    “Change”. Obama keyed in on the right word and the message that would resonate with an ill-informed electorate. Masterful politician. The Dems own it all now, good and bad. Attack the policies, and the negative results we all know will come from them. “See, I told you so” is a message that will resonate with the ignorant, when things go from bad to worse. However, the GOP in general, and Conservatives in particular, better have positive alternatives. They will never regain power if all they do is focus on the negatives, and attack an idividual.

  57. Johnson said on 20 Jan 2009 at 1:24 pm:
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    Read the benediction by Rev. Joseph Lowery. Racist guilt? “In your face, white man”?

  58. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 20 Jan 2009 at 1:49 pm:
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    Perhaps Jeremiah Wright ghost-wrote.

  59. Mark said on 20 Jan 2009 at 1:54 pm:
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    Wow, what an incredibly angry and pessimistic post. No wonder there’s such a divide. Both Dems and Repubs engage in the same hatefulness. Well, Dems gave their every ounce of hatred a venting in the last 4 years for Repubs, I guess those same Dems are gonna get the same in return.

    This is the cycle of violence that keeps the Middle East pretty much a shiite-hole. Angry on one side, angry on the other. I wonder how much is gonna get done with crap mentality like this that goes on in America, regardless of which party is in power?

    Enjoy your “righteous” anger republicans….you deserve it after the crap the democrats threw at you, but believe me, it ain’t gonna help this country at all.

  60. Johnson said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:14 pm:
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    I am neither angry nor righteous nor violent. We get the government that we deserve. I express my opinions strongly. I vote my conscience. I wish nobody ill will. See my 12:29 post.

  61. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:29 pm:
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    “the US recognizes dual nationalities”

    That’s not true. If anything, the US ignores dual nationalities.

  62. Tillie said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:35 pm:
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    I believe Arnold Schwarzenegger has dual citizenship.

    And I know several British subjects with same. Whether the US ignores this or not, I don’t know.

  63. FormerCoMEmployee said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:39 pm:
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    People make me crazy. I wonder if anyone ever checks their facts before they post on here. With all the facts and figures at our fingertips there is no reason for anyone to post incorrect information on this blog. CNSF 2:29, in fact the US does recognize and allow dual citizenships. All you need to do is google the subject and thousands of non-gov’t and gov’t websites are at your disposal to read. You do everyone a diservice when you post incorrect information. Such as “Both parents have to be American Citizens to be a Natural born citizen”. Geez people, just research and read!

  64. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:45 pm:
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    “CNSF 2:29, in fact the US does recognize and allow dual citizenships.”

    That is correct, they do allow dual citizenships. They do not, however, recognize them.

    “I was recently told by a US customs official that the US doesn’t “recognize” dual citizenship. What gives?

    It depends on exactly what is meant by “recognizing” dual citizenship. If the official meant to say that dual US/other citizenship violates US law, he was, simply put, wrong. If he meant that foreign citizenship makes no difference under US law if one is also a US citizen, he was right.”

    Let’s repeat that: Foreign citizenship makes no difference under US law if one is also a US citizen.

    Therefore, as far as US law goes, dual citizenship is irrelevant.

  65. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:47 pm:
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    I’ll post the rest of the answer:

    “US citizenship law is primarily concerned with whether or not a given person holds US citizenship. If a person is a US citizen and is currently within the jurisdiction of the US, any other citizenship(s) he or she may hold are really not relevant in US law.

    A “dual citizen” has no special status in the US by virtue of holding citizenship in some other country too. In particular, if you are a dual citizen and get into some kind of legal trouble while in the US, you should not expect the US to acknowledge any efforts by consular officials of your other country of citizenship to intervene in your behalf.

    Also, when a “dual citizen” enters the US, he/she is expected to identify himself to US immigration and customs officials as a US citizen (not as a citizen of some other country) — and in cases where a passport is required to enter the US, a dual US/other citizen is expected to enter on a US passport, just like any other US citizen.

    I’ve heard of recent cases where dual US/other citizens briefly got into sticky situations while entering the US, when they attempted to identify themselves either as “dual” citizens or as citizens of another country. In former times (before the latest round of State Department policy reforms), attempting to enter the US on a foreign passport could even be used as “evidence” of intent to relinquish US citizenship. Although this apparently isn’t a danger any more, the best thing to do is probably to make life simple and assert only your US citizenship rights when entering the US.

    Remember that US immigration officers are primarily interested in determining whether a person wishing to enter the US should be let in. If you hold US citizenship, then you have a legal right to enter, remain in, and work in the US. Holding some other citizenship as well as US citizenship is completely irrelevant in this case, and if you make an issue of holding a second citizenship, you’re just making it more likely that US officials will think something is amiss.”

  66. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:50 pm:
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    I bleed,

    Congress(controlled by the Dems) also voted to socialize those companies. And, yes I agree it is horrible.

    Yes, I have lived in California, so I guess that makes you look pretty stupid. And, I have friends who just moved there and they had to pay close to $500.00(tags, taxes etc) to register his car. Why? Because liberals run the State. Again, do you want that here? I guess so.

    Sorry, I did misstate the population of California is down. It is not down, but more people moved from there then moved in from other States.

    Here is an article detailing why. http://telegram.com/article/20090118/NEWS/901180602/1002/rss01&source=rss All thanks to liberal policies.

    The actors of 911? Wow, you are a sicko.

    Funny before we had liberals like you who moved here, Virginia was a much better State. Sorry, you cannot take credit for this. Virginia is a right to work State, libs hate right to work States. Rhode Island is not business friendly because they have liberal policies in place.

    If you do not want a weak defense, why did you vote for Obama who stated he is going to cut future weapon programs. This seems to say otherwise. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/11/pentagon-budget-to-shift-to-current-war-needs/

  67. Groveton said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:55 pm:
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    A real conservative.

    Here is the best conservative rant I’ve read in the last year. Brilliantly written and focused on what should be the great enemy of the American people - Hollywood celebrities. Eveybody who posts on this blog (myself included) ought to read this and take a late New Year’s resolution to try to write more like this guy.

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/breitbart/2009/01/19/where-were-you-celebrities-after-911/

  68. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 2:56 pm:
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    I Bleed Obama Blue said on 20 Jan 2009 at 12:29 pm: Flag comment

    What is wrong with Rick Warren, Citi? He is a bigot. That is why many on the left have reacted viscerally against his selection as an Inauguration speaker.

    Uninformed as you are, I’m sure you do not know that the opening prayer offered by Gene Robinson, the “first openly gay, non-celibate priest to be ordained a bishop in a major Christian denomination at the “We Are One” concert, intended to celebrate the inauguration of Barack Obama with a spirit of unity, was not televised by HBO. Although, I’d guess, you’re happy about that.

    The media had a cow when Rick Warren was announced to take part in the ceremony, nothing was said about Gene by the same media. Why? Because too many liberals hate Christianity and see nothing wrong with promoting homosexuality.

  69. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:06 pm:
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    Groveton,

    That is a great editorial. Did anyone recall Christ Matthews pledging to do everything to help President Bush be successful? I don’t either. Yet, he said that about Obama.

    Remember after the 2004 elections, the Dems in Congress said because of the close numbers, there should be a sharing of power? Did they say the same in 2006? Nope.

    Conservatives love this Nation, and that is why they want it to continue to be the best Nation in the World. Sure, we will see some on the right engage in stupid acts and activities, but it will be no where near what we have seen from the left over the last eight years.

    Unfortunately, the advice to argue against Obama’s policies while good, is not going to do much good. We have already seen plenty of evidence the race card will be played if one dares to speak out against Obama.

  70. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:17 pm:
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    citizenofmanassas, I accept your gracious acknowledgment that you are indeed wrong about the US recognizing dual citizenship.

  71. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:23 pm:
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    Correcting Nova,

    Sorry, but you have me confused with another poster. I did not make any comments regarding that.

  72. FormerCoMEmployee said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:29 pm:
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    CNSF, that would have been me and I stand by my post. Because your post states they do not recognize dual citizenships which to the normal person upon first reading would insinuate it is not allowed. However, with that being said, after reading your SECOND explanation, I now understand your interpretation of “recognize”. Now I accept your gracious apology for not posting your entire interpretation of your explanation in the first place!

  73. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:37 pm:
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    “Because your post states they do not recognize dual citizenships which to the normal person upon first reading would insinuate it is not allowed.”

    I said:

    “If anything, the US ignores dual nationalities.”

    If your lack of comprehension is “normal”, no wonder we’re circling the toilet bowl now.

  74. Johnson said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:41 pm:
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    http://news.yahoo.com/comics/nonsequitur

    Hee, hee….

  75. Advocator said on 20 Jan 2009 at 3:52 pm:
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    I’m getting to like this guy Obama. In office less than two hours and he made both Kennedy and Byrd sick. A couple more weeks and the Senate will run out of Liberals.

    Hope he comes to Haymarket soon!

  76. FormerCoMEmployee said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:02 pm:
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    CNSF, you’re the one who corrected your post “I’ll post the rest of the answer”. That important part would have helped in my determining the meaning of your original post. Sorry, hate to argue with you but you made the original mistake, not me. However, I now understand your original meaning. The bottom line is it is not against any US law to also have citizenship of another country while also being a US citizen. I didn’t fully read all the information on this subject, but I am not so sure that for certain circumstances your other citizenship wouldn’t be recognized such as if you are charged with a crime would you be permitted or even required to be allowed to meet with the consulate of that country which has the World Court ruling the US broke treaties by now allowing a Mexican citizen the abilty to consult with the Mexican consulate before his trial and was eventually executed by the State of Texas (thank god for Texas). My point being there may be a lot of reasons the US would recoginize your other citizenship neither of us has thought of!

  77. Pat.Herve said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:12 pm:
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    Obama was born in Hawaii. The fact that he lived elsewhere is irrelevent. The fact that his father was Kenyan is irrelevent. I know all you people know that he was born somewhere else, but that is not for us to decide - who decides the credentials of a candidate?

    As far as liberal policies, it was the Bush Administration that sent a 3 page request to congress to ask for 750 Billion - it was the Dems that wanted more oversight (which I do not think they made strong enuf).

    At every chance Obama speaks, he tries to get the other side to join in and participate - to my knowledge, he has not shunned the other side, like what was done during the past few years.

  78. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:27 pm:
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    Citi, please cite SPECIFIC “liberal policies” that have caused California to charge $500 to register a car. You do know that VA charges fees & taxes to register a car as well, right?

    Hey, I liked California and you didn’t. Opinions are like assholes, Citi. I like clean air and I like safe products and I like workers to have rights and I like a safe work environment. If those are “liberal policies”, I’ll take them any day over the alternative.

    The actors of 9/11 attacks are those who perpetrated the attacks, planned, funded, etc. Are you an idiot?

    I like Virginia, particularly Northern Virginia MUCH better now that it’s “gone blue”. I am very proud to have been part of that transformation.

    Oh, and explain to me how cutting funding for expensive future weapons programs to better fund current needs is will weaken our defense? Of course the defense industry, which suckles at the DoD teet, will cry wolf, but this move sounds fiscally responsible to me. Who’s side are you on, anyway, Citi?

  79. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:33 pm:
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    ‘CNSF, you’re the one who corrected your post “I’ll post the rest of the answer”.’

    That was to further explain situations in which your dual citizenship would be ignored by US law.

    “That important part would have helped in my determining the meaning of your original post.”

    I thought the meaning was crystal clear: The US ignores dual citizenship. If they’ve prohibited it, they’re not ignoring it.

    “the World Court ruling the US broke treaties by now allowing a Mexican citizen the abilty to consult with the Mexican consulate before his trial and was eventually executed by the State of Texas”

    They did exactly what I would expect and ignored that person’s Mexican citizenship, presumably because that person was a US citizen on US soil.

    It seems to be pretty well established, based on what I’ve read, that if you have dual citizenship, the only one that matters is the one for the country you happen to be in.

    Given that, I don’t see why the world court had an issue with this person not having access to the Mexican consulate because they were presumably (I say presumably because I am not familiar with the details of the case) a US citizen accused of committing a crime on US soil. That they were also a Mexican citizen means nothing, unless they happened to commit a crime in Mexico, in which case Mexico would be well within their rights to prevent this person from accessing a US consulate.

    If this person was NOT a US citizen, then that changes everything.

  80. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:39 pm:
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    Pat,

    Obama talks a good game, about being bi-partisan. His record, where the rubber meets the road tells a different story. The Dems in Congress are not willing to work with the other side. Again, I will point out what happened in 2004, the Dems wanted to share power even though they were the minority party. They wanted to have shared chairmanships for some Committees. Fast forward to 2006, when they gained the majority though by a slim margin and funny enough, there was no talk from them wanting to share power and to share chairmanships.

    In attacking Bush, the Dems ignored what they voted for over the last eight years. They simply cover up that Clinton fired 93 District Attorneys, but make a huge deal out of Bush firing 8, or was it 9? They complain about the debt Bush and Congress piled up, yet there is already talk about high much higher the spending is going to be under Obama and this Congress.

    The Gop wanted more oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2004 and 2005, it was the Dems(in particuly Barney Frank) who wanted less and even said to talk about potential problems might lead to a housing issue.

    I’m not saying the GOP is free from fault, but to say that only one side was ignored over the last few years is not true.

  81. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:40 pm:
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    I did a Google search and it seems that the José Medellín case is the one to which you refer. None of the sources I looked at make any mention of his having US citizenship (he was born in Mexico). That is probably why the world court objected. It doesn’t seem that dual citizenship was involved in this case.

  82. NoVA Scout said on 20 Jan 2009 at 4:49 pm:
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    Well, at least monticup has solved the problem of anchor babies, a problem that many beople on this site spend a lot of time railing against. All those babies born to illegal immigrants here are not, according to Monticup, US citizens. And here we were all worried about that for nothing.

  83. monticup said on 20 Jan 2009 at 5:03 pm:
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    NoVa: I am referring to “natural born” citizenship as it applies to the requirements one must have to be POTUS.

    I just wish Obama would resolve this issue and produce his valid passport and his orginal birth certificate. Not just posted on a website of a Soros group. Let the documents be examined and authenticated by experts.

    We’d all be better off if we could be confident he is indeed a natural born citizen of the US. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

  84. sahdman said on 20 Jan 2009 at 5:48 pm:
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    I’ll listen to the other side the day they decide to stop raising taxes, oppressing hard working citizens, stop talking about global warming, stop telling people where to smoke and what to eat, and stop killing little babies. Then maybe I’ll listen, but my guess is they will continue being busy bodies telling me I have to sacrifice for the sake of the world. I have to watch my country become more like Europe and that I should feel guilty for all that I have. I don’t care what Obama is (Kenyan, Indonesian) although it is obvious that something is fishy with is citizenship status. (more than likely illegal immigrant like his Aunt who was living in the Boston slum) All I know is that he wants to change American, in the coming days we will see exactly what he means by that. I for one am ready to make as many phone calls to my representatives as I have to. We will have to keep on them for at least then next 2 years until the mid terms there will be no rest for the wary. The future of this country is at stake we will probably lose but we must fight. Socialism sucks and I don’t want to look my child in the eyes when he is older and tell him I did nothing to stop it. Socialism steals the human spirit and robs people of their souls.

  85. Chameleon said on 20 Jan 2009 at 5:54 pm:
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    Nova,

    I guess it takes an immigration lawyer to figure that one out right?

    However, you are correct. as much as many would love to say those folks are not citizens the supreme courts interpretation of the constitution says otherwise. Although I’ll submit that the amendment applies to slaves and no one else, this is a pretty hot topic debated to this day (and beyond)

    Illegal aliens take every advantage that we give them in this forgiving country. Just ask California, they are going under in part for all the services they provide to illegals and their families. Their schools are over-run with illegal alien children, far worse than ours ever would be. Is it no wonder why Chula Vista, CA is locally called “Chula Juana”?

    Strike at the services provided to illegals, lock down businesses that hire these people, enforce Real ID and E-verify. Essentially, enforce the rules. And you have an environment that is essentially anti-illegal alien. It’s the surest way to send a message to them that they are not wanted here as illegals and need to follow the law in order to be here…legally.

  86. w e stewart said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:13 pm:
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    When one has the ability to move ones money from one place to another, that is called freedom of the wealthy. One votes with his feet, or his money. The gov’t, congress, the executive, and judicial really don’t give a hoot what you say, as long as you don’t advocate the over throw, forcefully of the gov’t. They could care less what you think or holler about. They will do as they like, because they are not concerned about obeying the constitution and there ain’t a damn thing you or I can do about it. Well, there is one thing, we could all quit, well that is, some of us can quit. Those of us that have no debt, own a home in Spain, France or even Canada, have no money invested in the poorly run banks here in the USA, own property in one or more countries that converts that ownership into a monthly sitpend(s) which allows us to live without stress. Yes, it’s a real ‘Hillary’, but someone has to think about the future.
    Even during world war two there were many places where the people went about their business and the war only touched their pocket books. Yes, that’s right, they were making money from the contests between England, Germany, Russia et al. Look at us, we have the ablity to produce all our own food, clothing, meds, all our capital goods, including cars, planes, trains, and what do we allow these bums to do, go off shore and buy the labor cheaper, to include the raw materials and then sell them here at the same price as if they had been made here by American workers. Ask Wal mart? What’s that called? Profit! without any citizen responsibility. Many of them don’t live here and would not, no mattewr what. They educate their children anywhere, but here. We have given our culture away, we allowed it to be mongrelized and infected with ideas that are completely at odds with our moral, Christian and ethical responsibilties. We sold out for convienence. We let people from high population areas elect, and stack the congress with the dregs of their societies and they changed the laws on us, whilst we were at the beach or celebrating that new over priced, poorly built house that has excessive taxes levied against it to support the laws these dregs passed on you, whilst you were working hard to pay those taxes. We are being “Lawed” to oblivion. That’s OK, (like the commerical where the undisciplined kid sloops the kitchen up and the cheerful American mommy keeps letting it happen, as long as she has the new mircale cleaner) well the new cleaner has arrived in town and he is vacuuming your money and worth somewhere, did you ever think to ask where the money is going? Please, and your worried about some punk from Chicago. Oh, they’ll use him allright, to get what will be considered “legal” that’s why they are there, in the first place.
    W E Stewart

  87. manassascityresident said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:33 pm:
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    Wow said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:04 am: Flag comment
    “Y’all need to just get over it. Obama fairly won an election (and by a much larger margin than Bush did in the questionable 2000 race). He is, like it or not, your President.
    How about affording him the respect that the office calls for?”

    Yeah right. I’ll afford him as much respect as the Dems afforded Bush while he was in office.
    Zero.

  88. FormerCOMemployee said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:59 pm:
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    CNSF, again you are wrong, Texas ignored it, not the federal government, in fact they sued the state of Texas and lost, but the fact remains, the federal government did not disregard the fact he was not alowed to speak with his consulate. But I did not mention that case to say he had dual citizenship. I only mentioned it as an example of when someone who does have dual citizenship may have the legal right to use that dual citizenship and where the Gov’t may be legally obligated to recognize that dual citizenship. Please note, I never said they would have to, only they might have to. And if I can come up with that example off the top of my head, there must be other examples where the Federal Gov’t must recognize an American citizen’s dual citizenship. So CNSF, you can continue to try, but you will never out do me because I read before I post. Why don’t you try this, read a little before you, and others, post other misinformation on here or post incomplete thoughts. And then when someone calls you on it you decide to finish your thought later and try to blame other people when they misunderstand that incomplete thought. By the way, I am not saying I don’t agree with you to some point, my point is both sides have become for many many years professional polititions and this is the problem. Both of them are liars, thiefs and con-artists for the most part. But it is what it is so we should support OUR President and hope that he succeeds and OUR Country comes out stronger.

  89. Slick said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:08 pm:
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    I still have yet to hear a single explanation from the koolaid drinkers why DumbO is refusing to release his birth certificate. Why is he spending millions of dollars to continue to hide a ten dollar document?

  90. Slick said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:14 pm:
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    Lafayette Hill, PA – 01/20/09) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States and his case, Berg vs. Obama, in the Third Circuit Court of Appeals is still pending as well as two other cases regarding the question as to whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be President.
    Berg stated, “It is a Sad Day for America as Obama is ‘not qualified’ to be President pursuant to ‘our’ United States Constitution. Today, unfortunately, a ‘Usurper,’ Obama, takes the oath of office as President and every law he signs and appointment he makes will be void. It is regretful that Obama has permitted this to happen as he knows he is ‘not natural born’ and this is the greatest ‘Hoax’ ever placed upon the citizens of the United States of America in 230 years.”

    Berg continued, “I am committed to keeping our efforts going to continue litigation until the truth of Obama being ‘not qualified’ for President comes out. There is nothing more important than ‘our’ U.S. Constitution and we will fight on!”

  91. NoVA Scout said on 20 Jan 2009 at 8:40 pm:
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    Slick: That’s what Berg said. What have the Courts said? In any event, it’s an easy case. Either the guy was born in the US or he wasn’t. Wish everything were that easy.

  92. FormerCOMemployee said on 20 Jan 2009 at 9:00 pm:
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    I will post once without researching, so I will not represent what I am about to write as a fact, but didn’t the Supreme Court all ready rule on this issue. I thought the majority ruled not to hear the case. Anyone know about this?

  93. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 9:36 pm:
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    former,

    There have been a number of court cases regarding this or relating to his birth, Citizenship, etc. I know of at least one the SC refused to hear. I think there are other cases still in lower Courts that have yet to have been heard or have run out of appeals.

  94. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:01 pm:
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    “NSF, again you are wrong, Texas ignored it, not the federal government”

    There was nothing to ignore. He did not have dual citizenship.

    “But I did not mention that case to say he had dual citizenship.”

    Then why did you mention it?

    “I only mentioned it as an example of when someone who does have dual citizenship may have the legal right to use that dual citizenship and where the Gov’t may be legally obligated to recognize that dual citizenship.”

    But this example is irrelevant because this person did not have dual citizenship.

    “Please note, I never said they would have to, only they might have to. And if I can come up with that example off the top of my head, there must be other examples where the Federal Gov’t must recognize an American citizen’s dual citizenship.”

    Go find a relevant example, then. Good luck.

  95. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:05 pm:
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    “So CNSF, you can continue to try, but you will never out do me because I read before I post.”

    If that were true then you would have known exactly what I meant by “The US ignores dual citizenship.” and wouldn’t have needed any further explanation. (The link I got that information from–which, by the way, I read many years ago when I researched this information–is about the 2nd or 3rd one down when you Google for “dual citizenship”).

  96. Correcting Nova Scout's falsehoods said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:10 pm:
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    If someone could PLEASE explain to me what a case involving a Mexican national not getting consular access in the USA has to do with dual citizenship, I’d appreciate it.

    FormerCOMemployee seems to think that there is some sort of connection there, but his explanation of why is a bit lacking, to put it charitably.

  97. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Jan 2009 at 10:32 pm:
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    I found this article. It does not mention anything about these folks having dual Citizenship. But it clearly states the Feds claim to have done everything to enforce the ruling and that it was Texas that ignored the ruling.

    http://story.irishsun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/2411cd3571b4f088/id/455850/cs/1/

  98. anonymous said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:05 pm:
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    Usually, when the Federal Government wants to get a state to do or not do something, they need only threaten to cut federal funding to that state.

  99. AWCheney said on 20 Jan 2009 at 11:53 pm:
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    GWTPOGO said on 20 Jan 2009 at 7:56 am:
    “The good news you are a distinct minority… and I’m guessing the Secret Service will be very interested in your opinions in the future. (Reference USC 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency.)”

    Has it occurred to you, GWTPOGO, that this is a very real threat to people who believe in the Constitution of the United States, freedom, liberty, and all those other wonderful things which other peoples of the world have drooled over for so long that they’ve decided to bring us down to their level. The fact is, with the Patriot Act, the resultant abrogation of our individual liberties under our Constitution, and a chief executive who is determined to impose his will upon the people of this country, it is very possible that the code which you quote could be abused just as you are threatening.

    Consider a very frightening scenario where people like you receive their wish:

    Everyone must measure their words very carefully and NEVER criticize the Lord Obama in either thought, word or deed. Those who do not cheer his passing, waving “Obama” flags will immediately be considered threats, under the law, and treated as such. The unmanageable number of political prisoners resulting will require the creation of “re-education camps” throughout the country, because we have a benevolent leader…and there aren’t enough prison cells and graveyards/places to hide the bodies. I can go on and on with similar scenarios which have played out throughout the world, throughout history, and I concede that it is very much over the top…however…the attitude exhibited by your comment, multiplied by hundreds of thousands, can all too easily lead to exactly that…and much worse.

    At least, for the time being, people are still allowed to voice their opinions. It’s when the partying is over that I’d be worried.

  100. Citizen12 said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:32 am:
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    IMHO his citizenship concerns are a moot point as he now has the job. His plans for restoration may or may not work, as whatever he does depends on the cooperation of a few hundred other people.

    What should be understood at this time is the threat to the second amendment is greater now then before. The new administration is being stocked with members of old administrations who have a track record of attacking the second amendment.

    Take a look at the people of England who now regret being so cooperative with the anti gun crowd. Ben Franklin was right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE&feature=related

  101. Dave in PWC said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:00 am:
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    So the SCOTUS Chief Roberts botched the oath of office and Obama didn’t have to recite the parts about protecting us from enemies both foreign and domestic. Does this mean he’s not our president now? Did they do a “do over” behind closed doors? The oath that Biden recited was correct based on what I looked up in the Constitution area but Obama’s oath was shortened by several sentences.

    Why was he introduced as Barack H. Obama? Is he embarrassed by his muslim middle name?

    The talking heads all talked about Obama being the first Black President, but he’s only half black and I seem to remember that someone did a search of ancestors for his father and found out that he was descended from slave traders. Nobody mentions that either.

    He is our president and I hope he does well and keeps us safe from attacks but only time will telll.

  102. rebelreggie said on 21 Jan 2009 at 6:31 am:
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    Crowds leave cups, gloves _ even flags _ on Mall

    The Examiner ^ | 20 January 2009

    Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:37:36 PM by 11th_VA

    WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Inaugural revelers are lucky they didn’t get fined for littering.

    As crowds cleared the city Tuesday, their trash covered the National Mall and Washington Monument grounds after President Barack Obama’s inauguration.

    They left behind plastic bottles, newspapers, food wrappers, gloves and even American flags they had been waving. Trash bins overflowed with items people tossed.

    Twenty-one-year-old Laura Wiesner of Youngstown, Ohio, was on the cluttered Mall near the Smithsonian’s American History Museum. She says people’s quick exit - and failure to pick up after themselves - was a stark contrast to how grand the event had been.

    Crews face an overnight cleanup effort across the city as people empty Washington.

  103. freedom said on 21 Jan 2009 at 7:03 am:
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    Be careful what you wish for….if Obama were determined ineligible to hold the office of President and were in fact removed, we’d THEN be stuck with the bumbling idiot, Biden.

  104. citizenofmanassas said on 21 Jan 2009 at 7:46 am:
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    Well, it gives Obama an excuse if we are ever attacked. He will just say he did not say he would protect us.

    People always leave a mess on the mall. Though, one can assume that many who attended yesterday consider themselves to be “green”, and they still left garbage behind. Got to love that.

  105. Tillie said on 21 Jan 2009 at 8:22 am:
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    It’s amazing, isn’t it, that people can carry stuff with them TO an event but seem to be unable to take empties, be it cans, bottles, cartons, paper bags, etc. with them when they leave.

    I doesn’t seem to matter what kind of a mass event it might be; it happens - always.

    How’d you like to be a Don-John picker-upper and cleaner-outer, BTW?

  106. Johnson said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:02 am:
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    I would still like for the president to produce any and all documents and information related to his place of birth and eligibility to be elected POTUS. The fact that he won’t be forthcoming about this very basic issue is concerning.

  107. Howard the Duck said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:17 am:
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    This is a response to a ghastly post at the top of this thread. Americans are not loyal or disloyal to the President. The concept has no validity in our Constitutional Government. Americans are loyal to our republic and our constitution. We are a county of laws, not of men.

    Senator Feinstein mispoke yesterday when she described our government as a democracy. The United States is not a democracy, it is a republic. A democracy, as Ben Franklin pointed out, is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

  108. Advocator said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:31 am:
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    Howard:

    Can you say, “BAAAAAAAA?”

  109. Ted said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:33 am:
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    The presidential oath of office as written in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is as follows:

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

  110. Howard the Duck said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:10 am:
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    Advocator said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:31 am:

    Howard:

    Can you say, “BAAAAAAAA?”

    Still living off your parents?

  111. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:16 am:
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    They (the National Park Service) deal with crowds like that at the 4th of July every year. They have squads of cleaners who clean things up quickly and effectively, as soon as the crowds are mostly gone. I’ve seen them in action - they go at it quick and hard with those stcks that let you pick things up from a standing position. I don’t doubt that the streets are quite clean now.

  112. Billy Bob said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:28 am:
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    Has any media outlet covered (or attempted to) the Kenyan step-
    granny who, it was reported a couple of weeks ago, had departed
    Kenya headed for the US to attend the festivities? I haven’t been as
    attentive to all the circus events as most, so it’s possible that I just
    missed something.
    Where is the follow-up on the illegal aunt found living in Boston?

  113. JM said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:41 am:
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    The devastation and wanton destruction I encountered during my walk to work this AM are unlike any I have ever seen. There isn’t a blade of grass left on the mall. I saw human feces in a corner. There are mounds of trash everywhere, some higher than my head. There is aven more trash lying about. Chemical hand warmers seem to be a very popular item to drop wherever you please.

    The most hearbreaking was the Ripley garden, which lies between the Hirshhorn Museum and the Arts & Industries Building. It is, or rather was, a beautiful four season garden. No matter what time of year, there was always something thriving which delighted the eye. This morning there is nothing there but some of the hardier shrubs and trees, and even some of them are damaged. There rest of the plants are trampled to death or just plain missing. Entire flower beds are barren. Janet, the gardener was there are I walked through, looked stricken. I stopped to chat for a moment, and she said that amlost nithing survuved. I also work for Smithsonian, and replacing this garden will be very expensive, and the task will be even harder given the Institution’s 2009 budget, the worst Ihave seen in 14 years.

    My tenure goes back as far as the second Clinton inaguaral. I have never seen anything like this.

  114. Citizen12 said on 21 Jan 2009 at 11:32 am:
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    I’ve seen the pictures. Looks a lot like Detroit…….on a good day.

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Detroit-Michigan.html

  115. monticup said on 21 Jan 2009 at 11:52 am:
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    JM: You’re not surprised are you?
    The trashing of the Mall tells you all you need to know about Obama cult followers.

  116. 999 said on 21 Jan 2009 at 11:54 am:
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    JM said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:41 am: Flag comment

    The devastation and wanton destruction I encountered during my walk to work this AM are unlike any I have ever seen….and replacing this garden will be very expensive, and the task will be even harder given the Institution’s 2009 budget, the worst Ihave seen in 14 years.

    Given the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were in that area yesterday and Sunday, one should not be surprised of the damage that was wreaked on the mall. Once again, the taxpayers will pay the bill. Correct me if I am not correct. The Mall was NEVER intended to support mass demonstrations of ANY kind. It was supposed to be a tranquil area to view the Capital from the Washington monument and visa versa. Now it is used as a staging area for mass demonstrations. Why does the Park Service allow this to continue?

  117. 999 said on 21 Jan 2009 at 11:56 am:
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    Billy Bob said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:28 am: Flag comment

    Has any media outlet covered (or attempted to) the Kenyan step-
    granny who, it was reported a couple of weeks ago, had departed
    Kenya headed for the US to attend the festivities? I haven’t been as
    attentive to all the circus events as most, so it’s possible that I just
    missed something.
    Where is the follow-up on the illegal aunt found living in Boston?

    The aunt and grandmother are going to join his mother-in-law and live at the White house (rent free.) :)

  118. Slick said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:18 pm:
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    I’m still waiting for an answer.

    I still have yet to hear a single explanation from the koolaid drinkers why DumbO is refusing to release his birth certificate. Why is he spending millions of dollars to continue to hide a ten dollar document?

  119. Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:18 pm:
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    D.C. Mayor Fenty likened the Mall to “America’s front yard.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/04/AR2008120403719.html?hpid=topnews

    Looked more like D.C.’s toilet!

  120. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:23 pm:
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    JM –

    Such a silly post!

    Devastation and wanton destruction – Is this hyperbolic language really apt? With 2 million people plus in attendance; what did you expect? So some litter was left & plants trampled…big deal. Easily cleaned-up and re-planted. Done and done. (ps – I’ll wager that both the gardeners & trash collectors are grateful for the work)

    999 – Yesterday’s event was a Presidential Inauguration, not a demonstration. The National Mall has always been a multiple use area. It contains ball fields, picnic areas, and a jogging path. It hosts many annual festivals & the Independence Day fireworks display, too. The Mall can also be used as a tranquil area to view the monuments.

  121. FormerCoMEmployee said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:30 pm:
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    CNSF, I apologize for stating that specific case, but my attempt was to provide a case where a dual citizenship would be recognized by the US Gov’t. I never stated in that specific case the Mexican national had dual citizenship. It was the first case I could think of off the top of my head. Again, my point was if you have dual citizenship and you are charged with a crime in the US, the US gov’t may be required under certain treaties to allow you access to the consulate of your second country. I do not know that to be a fact though. IMHO, there must be other circumstances where the US Gov’t may have to recognize your other citizenship. Again, I apologize I did not explain why I used that case more clearly but it was never my intention to say he had dual citizenship to include the US.

  122. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:35 pm:
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    Slick –

    I cannot read his mind, but were I in President Obama’s position I would see no reason to release any further birth documents (assuming such documents even exist). Why should he? To please you & your brother conspiricy theorists? I don’t think so…

    He’s President of the US. Unless a court orders him to do otherwise, I believe he has, rightly, released all the documents regarding his birth that he ever will.

    BTW: Where did you get this “spending millions of dollars to continue to hide a ten dollar document” nonsense? Is that something you’ve simply made-up or do you have some evidence of it?

  123. Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:50 pm:
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    Slick,

    I still have yet to hear a single explanation from the tinfoil hat brigade to explain how Obama’s birth announcement got into the 13 August 1961 Honolulu Advertiser. Who was it who had the dastardly idea to choose some random Kenyan infant to be President, then cleverly insert the birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper so that one day they could gin up a fake birth certificate?

    Just because you’ve got trivially disproven paranoid fantasies about the legitimacy of the Presidency, that doesn’t mandate anyone spending any amount of money to try to “prove” anything to you. Besides, what exactly do you want them to do? Bring the original copy out and pass it around to every right-wing mouth-frother to fondle? What would that prove? The howl of “Derrrrr…dey musta faked dat one too” from the legions of retarded adults with McCain/Palin stickers spotwelded to their foreheads would be deafening.

  124. Big Dog said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:00 pm:
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    A belated thank you Greg. I finally beat my
    siblings at Scrabble during the Christmas holidays.
    Because of you, I knew how to spell “xenophobia”!

  125. monticup said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:23 pm:
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    Anon: What are you having difficulty understanding?
    Obama was born inAug 1961. A birth announcement was published in the Honolulu Advertiser. His grandparents lived in Honolulu. What does that prove?

    I wouldn’t call a birth announcement proof of anything. If Obama would produce his original birth certificate and US passport that can be examined and authenticated by document experts this whole issue would go away. Or would it?

    Focus, anon. You can’t be that stupid.

  126. Slick said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:24 pm:
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    As usual leftist/marxist tactics, change the subject and attack. Again I ask:

    I still have yet to hear a single explanation from the koolaid drinkers why DumbO is refusing to release his birth certificate. Why is he spending millions of dollars to continue to hide a ten dollar document?

    All he has to do is release it to any news organization and let them have a photo copy, case closed. If you are right and he was born in HI then his grandmother is a liar and that ends it.

  127. K.O'toole said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:31 pm:
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    From www.hillbuzz.wordpress.com , complete with picture,

    “There’s a terrible movie called Idiocracy with Luke Wilson and Maya Rudolph, who are cryogenecially frozen for thousands of years and awake in a future where the world’s covered in garbage, most people are idiots, and the President of the United States is a razzle-dazzle showman with great flare but no substance.”

  128. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:43 pm:
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    “Idiocracy” is by no means terrible, it’s pretty funny. Very vulgar though, I’m sure some of you here would be offended as in the future much of everyday conversation and terminology have degenarated into sexual vulgarities.

    It’s Mike Judge’s second non-Beavis and Butthead movie, his first being “Office Space”, which is possibly the greatest comedy of all time, or a contender for that honor. “Idiocracy” is not as great as that, or as Woody Allen’s “Sleeper”, but it’s good. So vulgar and biting that the movie studio buried it.

    And I would say, yes we slid in that direction during the Bush Presidency. The parallels are evident, if you watch the movie.

    Big Dog, I take my hat off to you on that last joke.

  129. Johnson said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:44 pm:
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    K.O’toole-I’m afraid that we’re well on our way, after this totally racist election.

  130. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:54 pm:
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    In “Idiocracy”, one story thread is that a company that makes Gatorade gains lobbying power and comes to dominate the US government. Eventually water is hardly used, not in faucets, cooking, or watering crops - only Gatorade. Water is associated by the populace only with toilets. The film’s hero, a genius by future standards because he was born in our time, asks why Gatorade is used incessantly and the sheep of the future tell him matter-of-factly “It’s good ’cause it’s got electrolytes”. He proves to them that the crops are dying because water is not being used and saves millions from starvation.

    In an analogous fashion, Bush took us down a continuing path of energy dependence and he de-regulated financial industries to the point that we all lost track of what they are supposed to do and how they need to be regulated. America is currently in the process of collapsing on itself in a fit of idiocy. Hopefully it’s reversable.

  131. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:55 pm:
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    The election was racist? Was it sexist too?

    Homophobic as well?

    Does this tie into the “War On Christmas”?

  132. rebelreggie said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:57 pm:
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    Caption This Photo of the National Mall Post-Obamapalooza
    Drudgereport ^ | January 21, 2009

    Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:15:28 AM by rightwingintelligentsia

    TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
    KEYWORDS: inauguration; nationalmall

  133. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 1:57 pm:
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    As to that link, you mean the largest gathering of humans ever in one place - EVER, I think - left some trash on the ground? I’m SHOCKED.

    Clearly we need a Congressional investigation.

  134. Johnson said on 21 Jan 2009 at 2:11 pm:
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    BPCAU-…and here I thought you had my back. The election was not sexist because HRC did not gain the nomination. Californicans are homophobic and against gay marriage. Do homophobes hate Santa?

  135. JM said on 21 Jan 2009 at 2:27 pm:
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    I Bleed Obama Blue said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:23 pm: Flag comment

    JM –

    Such a silly post!

    Devastation and wanton destruction – Is this hyperbolic language really apt? With 2 million people plus in attendance; what did you expect? So some litter was left & plants trampled…big deal. Easily cleaned-up and re-planted. Done and done. (ps – I’ll wager that both the gardeners & trash collectors are grateful for the work)

    I Bleed,

    Guess you topped my “silly” post with an anstonishingly ASININE one!

    No the gardener is NOT grateful to have to repair damage when there is not budget to do so. She was holding back tears when I talked to her, and they weren’t tears of gratitude.

    To do the damage, the Obamabots and KoolAid drinkers had to climb walls that were 4 feet tall in places. We are not talking about people merely walking and going about lawful business. No one had any reason to be climbing up on the garden walls to trample the plant beds.

    As for the Park Service employees, they get paid for a 40 hour week no matter what. I don’t no of anyone who appreciates a messy, disgusting difficult job that entails more work for the same pay. Yes, it is expected that the grass would not survive that large of a crowd. But what prevented the crowd from disposing of their refuse properly? If I can’t find a container, I pack my trash with me until I can dispose of it properly. Where was the Left’s concern about going green yesterday?

    I notice you didn’t address the human feces issue at all. I’ve never seen any of this behavior at previous inaugural functions.

  136. Johnson said on 21 Jan 2009 at 2:53 pm:
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    When ya gotta go, ya gotta go!

    Apologies to JM. :-) Liberals are dismissive of their own poor behavior but intolerant of other’s.

  137. Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2009 at 3:06 pm:
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    monticup/Slick:

    And I don’t know what you’re having trouble understanding. The original birth certificate is held by the Registrar of Vital Statistics in the Health Department of Hawaii. It’s not up to Obama to “produce” it. The Registrar can release certified copies (as was done with Obama’s) to those with a tangible interest in it. It’s not clear what the tinfoil hat brigade wants. You want to line up outside the Registrar’s office and each be given a chance to touch it? You want it shipped off to a third party for forensic investigation? The Registrar doesn’t do that! They provide certified copies, as they have done. The Registrar has affirmed (Associated Press, “State Department of Health Declares Obama Birth Certificate Legal,” Honolulu Star-Bulletin. 31 October 2008.) the original document exists and is authentic.

    Actually, the birth announcement in the paper is better proof. Go to any library in the world that stocks Honolulu newspapers, and look it up. To believe there’s a conspiracy involved is to believe that either someone traveled back in time to put the announcement in the paper, or else waaaaaay back in 1961 someone decided they wanted some random Kenyan kid to be president, and then realized they had to put a birth announcement in a US newspaper, figuring they’d just forge the birth certificate later.

    It’s a ludicrous idea, but it’s what we’ve come to expect from the shrill, unethical, morally and intellectually bankrupt right-wing. They just seem to traffic in the ridiculous. The best part is when they bleat about “liberalism being a mental disease.” Pot, kettle, black.

  138. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 21 Jan 2009 at 3:24 pm:
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    JM –

    I think you’re in love with your indignation.

    You claim: “To do the damage, [they] had to climb walls that were 4 feet tall in places.” How tall were the walls in “other” places? Curb height? Did the perpetrators walk in one end of the garden and climb out the other?

    You ask: “What prevented the crowd from disposing of their refuse properly?” I really don’t know, but it is endemic of large crowds that messes and trash are left behind, regardless their political bent, race, or creed. Go ask a physiologist why this happens.

    Oh, and about the feces: It’s just dirt, JM. Suggest to the crying gardener that she use it as fertilizer. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

  139. Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2009 at 3:38 pm:
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    FormerCoMEmployee said on 21 Jan 2009 at 12:30 pm: Flag comment

    CNSF, I apologize for stating that specific case, but my attempt was to provide a case where a dual citizenship would be recognized by the US Gov’t. I never stated in that specific case the Mexican national had dual citizenship. It was the first case I could think of off the top of my head. Again, my point was if you have dual citizenship and you are charged with a crime in the US, the US gov’t may be required under certain treaties to allow you access to the consulate of your second country.

    Unless a crime comitted by a foreign national is a federal one, the State has jurisdiction over the case and is NOT required to inform the offender’s consulate or embassy nor can it be forced to by the Feds.

  140. Johnson said on 21 Jan 2009 at 3:40 pm:
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    Way off thread, but it’s always fun to hear from Ike-

    http://www.gazette.net/stories/01212009/damanew220935_32491.shtml

  141. Johnson said on 21 Jan 2009 at 3:57 pm:
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    Why would a Mexican illegal alien leave his family in the U.S. to SNEAK back into Mexico to get a job?

    http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212201617.shtml

  142. FormerCoMEmployee said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:04 pm:
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    Anonymous, You are wrong sir/madame: any foreign national is supposed to be allowed to speak with their consulate when charged with a crime in the US whether a state or federal crime. The Supreme Court did rule in favor of Texas but did opine the treaty the US signed was violated. However, they did refuse to stop the execution and I say again thank god for Texas. And thank you, you made my point for me, even if I am wrong about the state v. Federal crime, a foreign national has a right to speak to his consulate which leads me to my disagreement with CNSF, there probably are instances where the Federal government would recognize the other citizenship of someone who has a dual citizenship which includes the US.

  143. TedKenndysSwimInstructor said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:14 pm:
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    Frank Principi ought to be creaming his pants at the rumor that Obama plans on shipping many of the Gitmo inmates to Quantico. Hey Frank, are you going to open a halfway house for these scum named after Hilda Barg?

  144. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:17 pm:
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    “As for the Park Service employees, they get paid for a 40 hour week no matter what.”

    That is inaccurate. I dated a Ranger who works on the Mall for years. They get paid for hours worked and are scheduled for double-shifts on days such as July 4. And the clean-up crews, who i used to see in action when picking her up after the foreworks, presumably get paid special night rates for their work. Any crowd leaves a mess behind. A movie or a Redskins game generates some mess. Maybe even some feces from time to time. And requires a cleanup crew.

    Face it, like the Million man march this was a huge gathering of people way beyond for example Woodstock or much of anything else we are used to hearing about, and the crowd was extremely well behaved and peaceful. Though it was a bit rude to heckle Bush on his way out.

  145. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:29 pm:
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    The constant use of the Mall for protests is a drag to those of us who live around here. But after all the Mall does belong to all Americans. Where else should proesters protest? This keeps them out of the streets at least.

    And I’m sorry some garden got trampled. But a few of you are in another reality where a huge peaceful gathering of massive proportions has become, in your eyes, a hedonistic riot.

    Some of you are angry, full of hate, and out of touch with reality.

  146. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:42 pm:
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    Good column on the First Family’s public image :

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/15/obama.family/index.html

  147. citizenofmanassas said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:43 pm:
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    Both parties,

    Are you talking about the people who were rather rude to President Bush on his way out of Washington? Or, are you talking about the people who were throwing shoes at a cut out of President Bush?

    There were no arrests yesterday. I wonder if the same could have been said had McCain won? There were no protests, no outrageous behavior on the part of the right wing as had been the case during the two times Bush was sworn in.

    The left has the market on anger, hate and being out of touch with reality.

    Just look at what happened in Oakland last week. Just look at how the left has reacted to not getting gay marriage in California.

  148. Big Dog said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:59 pm:
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    And how about those damn Canadian Geese knocking
    down one of our commercial airliners? An act of WAR!
    Hope Obama plans to invade them PDQ (except for
    Quebec - those Frenchies are good for nothing).
    Revenge 1812! On to Ottawa!

  149. monticup said on 21 Jan 2009 at 7:06 pm:
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    Slick:
    And somehow Hobama got to Pakistan during a time in which American citizens were not allowed to travel there. I can’t figure out why Hobama will not come clean. It makes no sense. Doesn’t anon have possession of HIS birth certificate? I have mine.

  150. monticup said on 21 Jan 2009 at 7:17 pm:
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    Anon:
    Can you read? Try this: Obama’s mother was a resident and student in Hawaii. That does not mean her child was born there. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya. Obama’s sister says he was born at 2 different hospitals. Do you have no curiousity about inconsistancies like that? A normal person would.

    Since Obama’s mother was a student in Hawaii I would expect her to place a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser. That’s not a legal document though. A birth certificate and passport are.

  151. Slick said on 21 Jan 2009 at 7:22 pm:
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    Anon, answer the question moron. As usual leftist/marxist tactics, change the subject and attack. Again I ask:

    I still have yet to hear a single explanation from the koolaid drinkers why DumbO is refusing to release his birth certificate. Why is he spending millions of dollars to continue to hide a ten dollar document?

    All he has to do is release it to any news organization and let them have a photo copy, case closed. If you are right and he was born in HI then his grandmother is a liar and that ends it.

  152. JM said on 21 Jan 2009 at 7:58 pm:
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    BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 21 Jan 2009 at 4:17 pm:
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    “As for the Park Service employees, they get paid for a 40 hour week no matter what.”

    That is inaccurate. I dated a Ranger who works on the Mall for years. They get paid for hours worked and are scheduled for double-shifts on days such as July 4.

    Both Parties,

    My HUSBAND has been a Park Service Employee for 21 years. Don’t presume to tell me about the Park Service.

  153. Billy Bob said on 21 Jan 2009 at 8:31 pm:
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    Slick, you are correct. All he has to do is release the document and be
    done with it. It could be that the reason we haven’t heard (or seen)
    any recent news about the Kenyan grandmother (last I heard, she was
    leaving Kenya for the USA) is because they are keeping her under wraps
    so she won’t continue to bring into the open that Barry was born in
    Kenya. She is on tape saying she was in the delivery room when he was
    born. He is well aware of all the controversy surrounding this subject, so
    it would seem he would be anxious to put it to rest by providing proof
    that he was born in Hawaii. Something smells.

  154. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:25 pm:
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    JM - the Mall employees are paid for double-shifts on July 4 and similar occasions. I do presume to tell you that.

  155. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:32 pm:
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    monticup –

    “Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya. Obama’s sister says he was born at 2 different hospitals.”

    So you’d choose to believe these two, especially the sister who cannot recall WHICH hospital he was born in, rather than the Hawaii government-issued Certificate of Live Birth which PROVES he was born in Hawaii?

    I have the answer: You clowns are delusional. Case closed.

  156. anonymous said on 21 Jan 2009 at 9:45 pm:
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    “a foreign national has a right to speak to his consulate”

    Is a US Citizen a foreign national?

  157. FormerCOMemployee said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:01 pm:
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    anonymous, I am not sure if that is a serious question or an attempt at just being dumb. Your question is the whole point of the discussion between myself and CNSF. Will the US gov’t recognize the other citizenship of a US citizen at any point. which was the point of my mentioning the case of the mexican national that I probably did not explain properly in my earlier posts. My best guess is probably and if not in the circumstance I provided then in some other circumstance.

  158. CNSF said on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:52 pm:
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    “Medellin was 18 and had spent most of his life in the US. He could read, write, and speak English. But because he was born in Mexico and had never become a US citizen, he had a right under the treaty to consult Mexican consular officials upon his arrest.”

    The state of Texas apparently believed that Medellin was a US citizen.

    “It has escaped the nattering nabobs of the east coast that José Medellín was not denied access to a consul, at the time of his arrest. He did not know that he was a Mexican Citizen! Brought to the US at the age of three, he believed that he was a US citizen. His parents were illegal, he just did not know that he himself was illegal. Only after the conviction, after the 1st round of appeals, did his new attorneys discover that he was not a US citizen. Thus the lateness of the consular claim.

    BTW, when police arrested him and interviewed all of his family, because of Houston’s sanctuary policy, they could not check the family or his immigration status. … Bottom line: The Medellín case is a really poor example to argue about consular notification. Especially when the criminal does not know what country he was born in.”

    This whole case is a very good argument for 287(g). We should be checking the legal status of criminals to ensure that they have the opportunity to contact their consulate if they are illegal, so that we don’t violate any treaties.

    It is interesting to note that had Medellin been born in the USA, he would have been a dual national, of both the USA and Mexico.

  159. CNSF said on 21 Jan 2009 at 11:00 pm:
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    I do not believe, based on everything I’ve read on the matter, that dual nationals are entitled to consular access when they are in one of the countries that they have citizenship to.

    Therefore, a US-Mexican dual national has no right to US consular access while in Mexico, and no right to Mexican consular access while in the USA.

    As further evidence towards that direction, we have the Master Nationality Rule:

    “The Master Nationality Rule is a consequence of Article 4 of The Hague Convention on Certain Questions Relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws of 1930.

    This provides that;

    ” … a State may not afford diplomatic protection to one of its nationals against a state whose nationality such person also possesses.”

    The United Kingdom Home Office explains:

    Commonly known as the “Master Nationality Rule”, the practical effect of this Article is that where a person is a national of, for example, two States (A and B), and is in the territory of State A, then State B has no right to claim that person as its national or to intervene on that person’s behalf. Such a person who goes into the territory of a third state may be treated as a national of either A or B - it does not normally matter which one, except, for example, where the courts of the third state have to adjudicate upon matters relating to that person’s status and the relevant laws depend on the person’s nationality. In such cases, it is necessary to choose an effective nationality (i.e. one of the two nationalities is selected as effective for the purposes of the third state). [1]

    In terms of practical effect, it means that when a dual citizen is in the country of one of his two nationalities, that country has the right to treat that person as if he or she were solely a citizen or national of that country. This includes the right to impose military service obligations, or to require an exit permit to leave.”

    There is more, see the Wikipedia article for Master Nationality Rule.

  160. AWCheney said on 22 Jan 2009 at 12:45 am:
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    Having had, at one time, dual citizenship (one being U.S.), perhaps I can speak to this issue. Because both my parents had become Naturalized Citizens when I was a minor, I had until my 21st birthday to declare my ONE AND ONLY CITIZENSHIP. I, of course, chose U.S. citizenship but, had I not, I would have then had to go through the naturalization process myself if I changed my mind. I should note that the age of majority today is 18.

  161. Jay said on 22 Jan 2009 at 7:03 am:
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    Ah. . .Virginia. Love those blue states. . .

  162. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 22 Jan 2009 at 7:46 am:
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    Some of you would have enjoyed the bit I just heard on Howard Stern. Sal the Stockbroker was in Harlem again asking Obama supporters there how they felt about (I’m paraphrasing from memory) :

    His appointing Marion Barry to a cabinet post : “Well I’m sure it’ll be investigated and the best person will get the job”.

    His calling for white people to be jailed if they use the N-word : “Well that’s probably fair, if they’re engaged in racist activity”.

  163. Anonymous said on 22 Jan 2009 at 8:47 am:
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    I Bleed Obama Blue said on 21 Jan 2009 at 3:24 pm: Flag comment

    JM –

    I think you’re in love with your indignation.
    Oh, and about the feces: It’s just dirt, JM.

    Funny, it was colored blue. There must be a hidden meaning there.

  164. K.O'toole said on 22 Jan 2009 at 1:10 pm:
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    Donna Brazile steals presidential blanket http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86727
    another culture that has not yet assimilated

  165. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 22 Jan 2009 at 1:42 pm:
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    Brazile made a bad joke. And you just made a remark that swipes at all African-Americans because of her bad joke.

    I guess I should deduce that all white people are angry.

  166. Ted said on 22 Jan 2009 at 2:26 pm:
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    I guess the change everybody wanted is here–a tax cheat, who would’ve never even been nominated by a previous administration, just got voted out of the Senate Finance Committee to be Treasury Secretary by a vote of 18 - 5. Dems voted 13 - 0 and Repubs voted 5 - 5.

  167. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 22 Jan 2009 at 2:54 pm:
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    “a tax cheat, who would’ve never even been nominated by a previous administration”

    Supposedly McCain and his lapdog Graham were quite involved with the cabinet choices. Don’t fool yourself. The problem is that BOTH parties are full of crooks.

  168. Ted said on 22 Jan 2009 at 3:16 pm:
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    Both, oh, I don’t disagree at all, both parties are thoroughly corrupt, it’s just that Geithner’s case is pretty in your face.

    I find it hard to believe that Bush 43, Clinton, or Bush 41 would’ve nominated him.

  169. citizenofmanassas said on 22 Jan 2009 at 5:24 pm:
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    Both parties,

    Why don’t you answer my questions regarding the hate and violence on the left?

  170. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 22 Jan 2009 at 5:43 pm:
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    “Are you talking about the people who were rather rude to President Bush on his way out of Washington? Or, are you talking about the people who were throwing shoes at a cut out of President Bush? ”

    I don’t know anything about shoe-throwing, so I wasn’t talking about that.

    “There were no arrests yesterday. I wonder if the same could have been said had McCain won? There were no protests, no outrageous behavior on the part of the right wing as had been the case during the two times Bush was sworn in. ”

    I would agree that left-wingers behave more badly in this way than right-wingers. Age is an factor.

    “The left has the market on anger, hate and being out of touch with reality. ”

    Both parties, both “wings”, are out-of-touch with the other’s thought process. Each at times makes objective points based on established fact that the other chooses to ignore because it conflicts with the ad campaign they run which passes for “political dialogue”.

    “Just look at what happened in Oakland last week. Just look at how the left has reacted to not getting gay marriage in California.”

    I didn’t see that but yes the left is more prone to angry marches and so forth, the right more prone to internet-based smear campaigns.

  171. Karla H said on 22 Jan 2009 at 10:46 pm:
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    Obama is not the first black president. Robert Mugabe is black, and he was already a president. Maybe the 2 are related??

  172. citizenofmanassas said on 22 Jan 2009 at 11:13 pm:
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    Both parties,

    Have you heard of the Daily Kos? Or moveon.org?

    I agree there is a disconnect between the two sides. However, I think if you put down on paper point by point, the left is by far the more dangerous of the two. The far right loves this Nation. The far left hates this Country. And that makes a huge difference in how each side goes about their attempts to gain power.

    The next time the G-8 meet or the International Bank meets, check out who who is protesting. It is not the right, but the left trying to do as much damage as possible.

    And then you have the statement from “I bleed Obama blue” who said he wants the actors of sept 11 to be punished. Yup, the left is something.

    I’ve never seen the right wing say things like we support our troops when they shoot their commanders, which was a sign used during an anti war march a couple of years ago.

  173. Slick said on 24 Jan 2009 at 3:30 pm:
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    http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/

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