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The Fall Of America To Begin Today?

By Greg L | 8 February 2009 | National Politics | 64 Comments

The monstrosity known as the “economic stimulus bill”, or perhaps more accurately as “The Crap Sandwich” is likely coming up for a vote today in the United States Senate.  In addition to providing taxpayer-funded employment to an estimated 300,000 illegal aliens, saddling our country with a trillion dollars in new debt in order to expand entitlement programs that are already bankrupting the federal budget, and ladling out pork barrel projects on an unprecedented scale, it is supposedly going to prevent the very economic collapse it seems to be guaranteeing.

If this passes, just how long will there be a United States of America? And what do we do after this destroys it?



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64 Comments

  1. Jay said on 9 Feb 2009 at 7:10 am:
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    That’s funny.

    For most people with an education the “fall of America” happened back in 2000.

  2. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 9 Feb 2009 at 7:20 am:
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    Create a third party?

  3. Truth to Power said on 9 Feb 2009 at 7:25 am:
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    Invest in ammunition.

  4. Pat.Herve said on 9 Feb 2009 at 7:46 am:
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    One of the problems with our current Congressmen is that they stand on the sidelines, waiting until something is announced, and then take an anti- stand against it, instead of being part of the solution. In this way, they can always be part of it or be against it. I heard President Obama say, if you have ideas - bring them forward, they will be considered. Did the current ‘no’ republicans bring any ideas forward?

    One of the reasons to include spending, is that, under current conditions, tax cuts will not be effective - as people are not willing to spend money right now, so a tax cut, will not be spent.

  5. citizenofmanassas said on 9 Feb 2009 at 8:07 am:
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    Jay,

    You sound like fat boy Barney Frank. He said yesterday because the GOP spent so much money under Bush, that is why the Dems are now spending so much money. I guess Barney has never heard of two wrongs do not make a right, and if someone jumped off a Bridge, would he follow?

    Barney of course was just looking for a good sound bite, but had he engaged his brain for a second, and I realize most liberals have no brains, but he would realize he was insulting his own party of too much spending, since his attack was on spending.

    Pat,

    The GOP had many suggestions, that were not listened Nancy “my face is tighter than a drum” Pelosi. The GOP realizes paying ACORN, illegals, The NEA, etc is not a good way to help put people back to work. They also realized funding more abortions as the Dems wanted is also not a good way to get people back to work.

    Even the non-partisan CBO agrees with the GOP the bill being pushed by obama and the dems will not do much until 2010 or 2011.

    Obama also said he was going to end pork as we knew it. Yet, now he is saying we are going to have to put up with. Now, that is change we all can believe in.

    Oh, and what about his don’t give in fear, now, he is saying if nothing is done, we may never recover.

    You may not want to have your money back, and that is fine. However, for those of us who realize we spend too much in taxes, we will gladly take our money back and spend it.

  6. rebelreggie said on 9 Feb 2009 at 8:12 am:
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    Reid blocks bipartisan amendment requiring citizenship verification for stimulus recipients
    By Michelle Malkin • February 8, 2009 10:28 PM

    GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions and Democrat Sen. Ben Nelson attempted several times to bring their bipartisan amendment to the floor last week. SA 239 would require local governments and businesses that receive porkulus money to use the federal E-Verify citizenship check system.

    On the House side, a long term extension of the E-Verify program passed there 407-2 (Conservative Oasis).

    But Democrat Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid refused to allow it to come to the floor. Now, we’re headed for cloture.

    “While it is difficult to believe that Senate leaders might insist that illegal aliens have the same chance at new stimulus jobs as unemployed Americans, this scenario may now be at hand,” says Roy Beck of Numbers USA. “SA 239 is now unlikely to receive a floor vote.”

    The provision is not included in the Sellout Substitute Amendment forged by the Turncoat Caucus and the Democrats.

    Who’s Dingy Harry looking out for?

    “Undocumented Americans,” of course.

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  7. freedom said on 9 Feb 2009 at 8:43 am:
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    CoM and reggie, you might as well give up with pat and jay….they’re not interested in improving our economy, they simply want your money and mine to pay for liberal programs that pay back the labor unions and on their own, would never be approved as budgetary initiatives.

    Of course, what we’re seeing today should be a surprise to no one and within two years, even pat and jay will see just what Obama’s “change” has done to this country. Hopefully, the damage will be reversible…:(

  8. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 9 Feb 2009 at 8:51 am:
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    For the first imte in my life, I am afraid to be in America. We have a passive President who has no problem spending money. I agree we need a stimulus to get things going, but the kick start should not kick us in the pants for years and years to come. Everyone can admit there is spending in this package that really doesn’t need to be there. Some of the spending is for things that will not bring us forward or be “shovel ready” projects. How can mony that will not come forward until 2010 be a stimulus for now? Let’s cut the taxes and move on. People will have more money in their pockets and feel like they can afford to spend it. Of course, they will horde it at first until they see how things are going to work out, but then they will break it loose and spend it. I know I would save until they got things straight. Once that was done, I would spend the extra money.

    Why saddle ourselves with more debt when we do not have to. This is the problem, many people do not have to pay back this debt before they borrow more. What happened to paying for what you got before spending more money? I have to pay down my credit cards before I can spend anymore on them.

  9. TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:04 am:
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    1. There’s a bill in Congress to repeal the 22nd amendment, allowing Obama to serve several terms.

    2. Obama has directed the Census Bureau be to moved from the Commerce Department to the purvue of the White House.

    3. ACORN and other Democrat front groups are getting a myriad of tax dollars from the shamulus bill.

    4. The 2010 census, and resulting redistricting, will have a dramatic impact on the 2012 national elections.

    5. This is all part of the masterplan to extend the Democrat grip on America by the White House directly manipulating our election process.

    6. This fraud will be done under the cloak “that every vote must count” (including votes from those that cannot legally vote.

    Have a great day America - enjoy what’s left of it as much as you can.

  10. Big Dog said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:21 am:
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    Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan
    January 25, 2001

    “The most recent projections from the OMB
    (Office of Management and Budget) indicate that,
    IF CURRENT POLICIES REMAIN IN PLACE, the total
    unified SURPLUS will reach $800 billion in fiscal
    year 2011.”

    And after eight years of a Republican in the White House?
    Great job .. Georgie!

    A G.O.P. alternative plan has to be more than their
    old soak the middle class and crony capitalism that
    led to where we are today.

  11. James Young said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:26 am:
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    Calling this a “crap sandwich” is an insult.

    After all, crap is at least useful as a fertilizer.

  12. Anonymous said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:36 am:
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    Excuse me! This was a big fat present wrapped in a big red bow given to Obama when Bush left office.

    Did you forget that Bush signed the first stimulus bill and congress rushed to approve it because if we did not do something immediately the sky would fall. I guess that was not a “crap sandwich”. BTW it had absolutely no oversight and no restrictions on how that money could be used. The President and Congress spent more money in the past eight years than anytime in history and as I recall the Republican party has been in control of the Congress for 8 out of the last 10 years.

    So, I have to stand with Jay.

  13. Prester John said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:45 am:
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    Not to be too picky, but between 2001 and 2009 the GOP had the Senate for 4 years and the House for 6 years with the Dems of course, controlling both houses the last two years as well as the next two years.

    But both parties have been abysmal and really makes you wonder how many of the 535 geniuses in Congress really have the country’s best interests at heart.

    IMHO, not very many at all.

  14. citizenofmanassas said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:54 am:
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    Anon,

    Bush and Congress passed the Bill. And after seeing how it has not had any effect, it seems only the GOP is now not willing to make the same mistake over. The Dems are the ones that are pushing more spending. Besides, did the first bill have pay offs to Acorn? To the NEA? To buy golf carts? To pay for abortions? I don’t think so. So, not only did the Dems not learn their lesson, they are taking advantage of their power to blow money on their pet projects.

    Name one time in the last 8 years where not a single Dem in the House voted against a spending bill.

    If the Dems are so upset with the spending of the last eight years, why have they not taken a stand to try and control it? It was only because of the GOP the current bill will not be as large.

  15. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 9 Feb 2009 at 9:55 am:
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    TKSI,

    Party electoral domination is a REPUBLICAN schtick, the dream of DeLay, et al. Remember Delay’s vaunted “permenant majority” strategy?

    Don’t project GOP dirty tactics on the Democrats.

  16. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:04 am:
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    Citi, baby -

    Last year’s financial system bailout and the current stimulus plan are completely different things. Different targets, different strategy, different methodologies different goals, etc. They are in no way comparable: Its apples v. oranges.

    That you lump them together and perceive them as interchangeable showcases your typical right-wing myopia.

  17. Big Dog said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:23 am:
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    New York Times (3-14-2003)
    ” Two Democrats, Max Baucus of Montana and
    John Breaux of Louisiana, sent a letter to Senate leaders
    stating they were committed to vote against any
    Bush tax cut unless it was offset by tax increases
    elsewhere or specific spending decreases … Senator
    Kent Conrad(D) of North Dakota moved to block any
    legislation that would result in a higher deficit.”
    Etc.
    The GOP policy of cutting taxes, but not
    spending did not go unchallenged by all Democrats.

  18. Big Dog said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:55 am:
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    Arlen Spector (R-Penn.) WaPo op/ed today.

    “I am supporting the economic stimulus package for
    one simple reason. The country cannot afford not
    to take action.”

    “… My colleagues and I have tried to balance the
    concerns of both left and right with the need to act quickly
    for the sake of our country. The moderate’s
    compromise, which faces a cloture vote today, is the
    only bill with a reasonable chance of passage in the Senate.”

  19. Ash (Housewares) said on 9 Feb 2009 at 11:08 am:
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    Buy your boomsticks. Shop smart …

  20. citizenofmanassas said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:01 pm:
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    I bleed,

    You are the one that is wrong. Both bills are to spur the economy. Yes, they are different bills, because you libs put money into the bill to kill babies, to pay off acorn for doing the dirty work of the Dems. While the first bill did not contain any such bs.

    BTW, like a typical lib, you ran off when faced with a couple of tough questions. Why don’t you go back and answer them?

    Why don’t you expand on your “I want to see the actors of 911 brought to justice” Statement.

    BTW, do all libs think windows are doors? HA HA HA.

  21. Sanford Horn said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:10 pm:
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    “We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Kercheval, 12 July 1816

    RINO Virus Striking the Senate
    Commentary by Sanford D. Horn
    February 8, 2009

    With the potential, even likely, defections of Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe (RINO-ME) along with Arlen Specter (RINO-PA), Barack Obama’s scare tactics may succeed in garnering enough so-called Republican votes in order to secure passage of the heinous alleged stimulus proposal.

    No Republican in his or her right mind should support such a pork-laden insult to the American people. Quite frankly, the Democrats should also be ashamed for supporting such an excuse for political posturing, but this is typical. Note recent comments made by Dick Durbin (D-IL) when he accused the GOP of not playing ball or being team players and for depriving poor children of the necessities of life that this bill would supposedly provide. Does anyone recall Durbin being a team player during the Bush administration?

    And then there’s Obama himself taking to the bully pulpit on an almost daily basis reminding the American people that “a failure to act, and act now, will turn [this] crisis into a catastrophe,” something he said on February 4. Adding to his own audacity, Obama also suggested that to even have this debate is both “inexcusable and irresponsible.” What is irresponsible is a government that bails out the banking industry and has no idea what happened to more than $80 billion. What is also irresponsible is the role the RINOs are playing as enablers.

    Well, to paraphrase Franklin Roosevelt, a man with whom Obama has been oft compared, the only thing we have to fear, is Obama’s fear mongering. His doom and gloomism is frighteningly reminiscent of the Carter years. With each passing day of debate and discovery of the actual components of this revolting pack of sewage, there is less and less support for the so-called stimulus package by the American populous themselves. As more and more pork projects are unearthed and made public it is the public that is becoming more and more outraged. Outrage over projects like redecorating the Commerce Department building, water slides, and planting grass seed around the Jefferson Memorial for example. Telephone calls have flooded senate offices in Washington, DC as well as locally across the country by concerned citizens not wanting their great-grandchildren to be the unfortunate recipients of the bills for this institutional largesse.

    As we approach the bicentennial of the birth of a great leader, Abraham Lincoln, it is another Lincoln that deserves praise. Senator Blanche Lincoln, an Arkansas Democrat, yes, a Democrat, said on February 7 during an impassioned speech from the Senate floor that “we have to be patient… We have to deal with this crisis and put ourselves back on track. We can do it with timely and temporary measures.”

    These measures ought to be temporary, not a permanent, perpetual boondoggle of priming the pump that will lead to almost certain permanent and perpetual dependence upon government instead of personal and corporate responsibility. This kind of behavior will ultimately manifest itself until the United States no longer is a free market economy, but one where the government runs every aspect of our lives; and judging by how they have done thus far, that is something to truly fear.
    What people should not be afraid of, is failure. Thomas Edison failed hundreds of times before he achieved success. When business fails, there are reasons – poor management, poor product design, poor salesmanship – whatever the reasons, go back to the drawing board – that’s the purpose of the research and development teams. Government did not bail out the makers of the Nash, Packer or Oldsmobile – my first car, by the way. No, they went the way of the flashbulb, typewriter and dinosaur.

    The problem with this bill potentially failing is that the government doesn’t have brains enough to go back to the drawing board. Instead, the party in power, the Democrats, attempts to cajole the leading team of RINOS – Collins, Snowe and Specter to stray from the rest of their pack. The Dems almost nabbed Senators George Voinovich of Ohio and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska – but not this time.

    The CEOs and CFOs harping over the possibility of a “mere” $500,000 salary should be thankful they have jobs. Quite frankly, any company going to the government with hands out should relieve the CEO/CFO and the entire board of directors from duty. Clearly they have not managed their ship safely to shore. Stockholders ought to determine the salaries of those who will run the companies, after all the stockholders are the real owners of the companies. Offer a reasonable salary with bonus options relative to the success or lack of same. Salesmen work on commission, why not corporate bigwigs. If they don’t like that plan, go back to work, roll up your sleeves and don’t come to Washington hat in hand.

    Democrat Congressman Gene Taylor of Mississippi, who wisely voted against the House bill said, “The nation borrowed $800 billion between the Revolutionary War through Gerald Ford’s presidency. In one vote, the nation is going to borrow another $800 billion. This is nuts.”

    What Democrats like Taylor and Republicans ought to be doing is trying to convince those who wish to shove this bill down the throats of the American people how wrong it is and scrap it. Trying to nickel and dime it down is akin to the old, but applicable, adage of the bandage on the bullet hole. Have the patience implored by Blanche Lincoln and invest the taxpayers money prudently and penuriously, if at all. What’s needed are more senators like Dr. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and South Carolina’s Jim De Mint – they are the cream of the Republican crop.

    Lincoln also reminded her colleagues something that all elected officials should remember – “It is our responsibility, it is our duty, and it should be our honor to come together and work these problems out.” Responsibility, duty and honor. Elected officials best remember who put them in their positions in the first place. And the voters would do well to remember how those elected officials voted to spend the taxpayers’ money. For those who don’t approve, and the mounting objections speak volumes, the vote cast in November 2010 will speak louder yet when those elected officials are fired. We hired you and we can damn well fire you.

    Sanford D. Horn is a writer and political consultant living in Alexandria, VA.

  22. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:16 pm:
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    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    You’re an idiot, Citi!

    You blathered: “Both bills are to spur the economy.” WRONG!

    The “bail out” law signed by Bush in December was designed/intended to rescue ailing/failing banks and to free up the frozen credit markets, NOT TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. Please pay attention to what’s going on around you and stop spouting nonsense. You are the poster child of what is wrong with the Republican Party today.

    If you weren’t an idiot, you would realize that my statement; “I want to see the actors of 911 brought to justice” refers to the people responsible for 9/11, AKA, its actors. I am not, as you apparently misconstrued, accusing actors (as in stage or screen), of perpetrating 9/11. Are you really that dense? Knowing that the answer to that question is yes, please refer to whatever thread I posted that statement in originally and you’ll find my response/clarification there, too.

  23. AWCheney said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:27 pm:
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    I’ve said from the very beginning that ANY stimulus bills would turn a disaster into a tragedy. As Mr. Horn states so eloquently, what the economy needed was a reset…not further manipulation, which got into this in the first place. With a Fed that firmly believes that they can print money with abandon, without consequence, in order to pay for whatever the government desires, and a government that believes they can spend that money with great abandon, without consequence…we are doomed.

  24. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:34 pm:
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    Poll: Obama Stimulus Effort Backed By Huge Majority

    Sixty-seven percent of the American people approve of how President Obama’s handling his efforts to pass an economic stimulus bill, as opposed to 48% for Democrats in Congress and 31% for congressional Republicans.

    In addition, the disapproval rating for Congressional Republicans remains a “staggeringly high” 58%. And the public continues to view the package as a matter of paramount concern. 51% of those polled consider the plan’s passage to be “critically important,” with “Only 16% say it is ‘not that important.’”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Dear Congressional Republicans:

    By all means, continue to obstruct the efforts of the President and Congressional Democrats to bring relief to an economically devastated electorate. Please be sure to couch your resistance to the stimulus in esoteric ideological terms, to cement in the minds of voters how completely out-of-touch with Main Street America you truly are.

    Thanks!

  25. freedom said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:37 pm:
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    Well, if Barney Frank and Chris Dodd manage things, we’ll be alright…:) :) Pshaw, Pshaw….:(

  26. D.B. Cooper said on 9 Feb 2009 at 1:51 pm:
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    I beg to disagree with Sanford A. (Leg)Horn, but we don’t need more senators like Coburn and DeMint, we need fewer like Specter and Snowe. That’s a nice difference, but discerning readers will get my drift.

    D.B. Cooper is a thief and a reprobate who probably isn’t living anywhere.

  27. Anonymous said on 9 Feb 2009 at 2:33 pm:
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    Sanford Horn said on 9 Feb 2009 at 12:10 pm:
    With the potential, even likely, defections of Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe (RINO-ME) along with Arlen Specter (RINO-PA), Barack Obama’s scare tactics may succeed in garnering enough so-called Republican votes in order to secure passage of the heinous alleged stimulus proposal.

    Both Collins and Snowjob are both known flakes and Spectical, welll……..he speaks for himself (and usually does.) These three should be outcast to a desert island (the same one.) See how long they would last.

  28. americangal4ever said on 9 Feb 2009 at 2:50 pm:
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    NEW CONTINENTAL CONGRESS TO MEET IN PHILADELPHIA

    By NWV News writer Jim Kouri
    Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
    February 8, 2009
    © NewsWithViews.com

    “Early this year, selected delegates representing the People of each of the fifty states will convene in Philadelphia to debate our constitutional crisis and establish practicable strategies the People can take, en masse, to peacefully reclaim Liberty and restore Constitutional Order.

    These historical proceedings will be known as the “Continental Congress 2009.”

    Taking a page from the history of America’s Founders, the Delegates will convene in Philadelphia across from Independence Hall for a period of several weeks to begin the virtuous tasks of organizing to resist tyranny and imposing, once again, the yoke of Law upon our servant federal government.

    A series of promotional meetings is currently being held across the country to advance public interest in the initiative and to expose potential donors to this most important cause in the defense of Liberty and the Constitution.

    “What must a free people do, and what is the appropriate next step, if Mr. Obama refuses to respond to our Open Letter and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the Petitions by attorneys Donofrio, Berg and Taitz challenging Obama’s citizenship status?” asks Bob Schulz, executive director of We the People Foundation, the organizer of the Continental Congress 2009.

    “A violation of the natural born citizen clause of the Constitution by Mr. Obama is so egregious and blatant in its nature that it marks the overt and wholesale abandonment of the Constitution by the Government, making this our “capstone grievance,” he told Newswithviews.com during an exclusive interview.

    According to the group, the US faces a grave constitutional crisis including:

    • Endless armed Middle East conflicts without congressional Declarations of war

    • Economic catastrophe resulting from a privately-owned central bank and a debt-based fiat dollar

    • Deprivations of privacy and an emerging police state via the “USA Patriot Act”

    • Unconstitutionally imposed direct taxes on American labor

    • A president-elect who refuses to produce evidence establishing his status as a “natural born” Citizen as required by the Constitution.

    • Deprivations of the Rights to a People’s Militia and to Keep and Bear Arms

    • Plus much more: the NAU, the Fed/Treasury bailouts, uncontrolled borders & immigration, electronic voting, etc.

    • And the most grievous injury: A servant government that refuses, at every turn, to be held accountable – in any way - by failing to respond to the People’s repeated First Amendment Petitions for Redress of Grievances.

    Early this year, selected delegates representing each of the fifty states will convene in Philadelphia to debate constitutional crisis and establish strategies the People can take to peacefully reclaim Liberty and restore Constitutional order.

    These historical proceedings will be known as the Continental Congress of 2009.

    Taking a page from our Founders, the Delegates will convene in Philadelphia across from Independence Hall for a period of several weeks to begin the tasks of organizing to resist tyranny and imposing, once again, the yoke of law on what they see as a servant government.

    A series of promotional meetings is currently being held across the nation to advance interest in the initiative and to expose potential donors to the important cause in defense of Liberty and the Constitution.

    During his interview with NewsWithViews.com, Schulz said, “In light of the money clauses of the constitution the Federal Reserve System is unconstitutional.”

    “We, the people have not authorized the government to give or lend public money or credit to private corporations for definitively private purposes. The Treasury and Fed bailouts are unconstitutional,” said Schulz.

    “We, the people have not authorized the government to create a North American union that would, for all intents and purposes, erase our northern and southern borders. The development of a North American Union is unconstitutional,” he added.

    According to Schulz, the purpose of the Congress is to assemble representatives of the People of every state to discuss and debate not only the litany of violations the Constitution now being endured by the People, but to develop and commit to a practicable course of action to set straight errant public servants, restore the Rule of Law and reclaim the Blessings of Liberty once more for our Republic and American children.

    Here are the highlights as provided by the group:

    1. Three delegates from each state will assemble to discuss our constitutional problems and to agree on a course of action to cure the problem.
    2. We are asking the people in each State to nominate and then choose up to three individuals to represent the People from their state at the National We The People Congress.
    3. The Delegates will assemble for up to one month, or until they agree on a course of action, whichever occurs first.
    4. The nominees must have a proven passion for the Constitution as authors, scholars, or activists. They should be of established respectable character if not “pillars of the community.”
    5. The nominees must be without felony convictions and preferably be clear of problems with the IRS (we cannot afford to make it easy for people to paint the delegates with any kind of brush, such as “tax-protestors”).
    6. The nominees should be able to cover their expenses associated with the undertaking, either on their own account or with the assistance of the people from their state.
    7. Most importantly, the Delegates must understand that the Delegation’s primary objective will be settling on a course of action to cure the problems we have with our rogue Government. That course of action may well be a written demand of the Government that they respond to each of the several Petitions for Redress of violations of the Constitution, or they (the Delegates), along with hundreds of thousands if not millions of their fellow countrymen back home (who by then will have committed to stand in support of the agreed upon course of action), will withdraw their allegiance and support from the federal Government until their Grievances are Redressed.
    8. We expect the Delegates will assemble in Philadelphia at the Constitution Center across from Independence Hall.
    9. Stenographers will prepare a digital transcript of the entire event for purposes of the historic record, recording all that is said.
    10. The Delegates from each state will be responsible for populating their State-level Congress web page with daily communications and updates from the National We The People Congress proceedings so the People from their State can be kept abreast as events unfold. Online discussion boards will be also available to facilitate communications for each state.
    11. The entire event will be webcast live from Philadelphia.
    12. Space will be provided in the meeting hall for members of the press, government and public, who will be able to observe the discussions, deliberations and debates, but not participate in or film them.

    “When a long train of abuses, usurpations and refusals to respond to Petitions for Redress of violations of the Constitution evinces a conspiracy to transition our Constitutional Republic to a pure democracy, or to otherwise strip us of our Liberties and reduce us to serfdom under absolute despotism, it is the right of the People to alter the Government, pro-actively, non-violently and with critical mass,” said Schulz.

    The straw that appears to have broken the camel’s back for the We the People Foundation is the unresolved issue of Mr. Obama’s eligibility to be President of the United States.

    According to Schulz, Barack Obama has steadfastly refused to respond to any of the Petitions requesting he provide documentary evidence about his place of birth or other information needed to conclusively establish his citizenship status.

    “He has ignored our Petition for Redress of the Grievance, published in the Chicago Tribune as an Open Letter. He has hired law firms to fight the lawsuits seeking evidence of his eligibility, rather than simply provide the evidence, strongly suggesting he has no such evidence and as such, is ineligible to hold the Office of President,” said Bob Schulz.”
    ……………………………………………………………………………………..
    Thanks to Bob Schulz
    We the People Foundation &
    Jim Kouri
    News with Views
    www.newswithviews.com

  29. rebelreggie said on 9 Feb 2009 at 4:03 pm:
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    From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA
    Date: Monday 9FEB09 2:15 p.m. EST

    Sessions will make one heroic last attempt on E-Verify this evening — He needs your phone call

    URGENT, THIS AFTERNOON

    NumbersUSA’s Capitol Hill Team has just told me that Sen. Sessions will likely use a procedural tactic this evening to stall the Stimulus Bill enough to perhaps gain a vote on his E-Verify amendment.

    Here is all that you need to know:

    No. 1: Phone your two Senators at 202-224-3121 or look up their direct phone number at www.numbersusa.com/myMembers.

    No. 2: Tell them that they may have one more chance this evening to correct a terrible flaw in the Stimulus Bill and that you expect them to help Sen. Sessions bring the E-Verify amendment to a vote.

    No. 3: Make it clear that unless the E-Verify amendment comes up for a vote, you will hold the Senator responsible for ensuring that hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens will get Stimulus jobs and hundreds of thousands of Americans will be left jobless as a result.

    No. 4: If you are met with an argument, note that under current enforcement, one of every seven construction jobs goes to an illegal alien. Unless the Senate passes the Sessions amendment — which already was approved by the House — one in seven of the Stimulus jobs will go to an illegal alien instead of an unemployed American.

    There is no room for delay. If you can, you must call immediately.

    Stay on the phone for only a short time to allow other people to call.

    Thanks,

    ROY

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  30. mnd said on 9 Feb 2009 at 4:14 pm:
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    “Job rationing” will be the next thing to look out for.

  31. citizenofmanassas said on 9 Feb 2009 at 4:15 pm:
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    I bleed,

    The whole point of easing the credit freeze was to get banks to loan money again, so that people were able to buy cars, homes, big ticket items, in other words to get the economy going again. Unless of course you do not feel buying cars, homes, etc will help the economy. IT would have also provided loan money to businesses to use for payroll.

    Exactly what poll did you get those numbers from? How about the poll numbers for Gal Nancy and her fellow libs?

    Why is Virginia in much better shape than California and New York? Because after years of liberal leadership, those States are now paying the price for for that leadership. Why are people moving out of the NE by the droves? Because liberalism has ruined those areas. You simply are on the wrong side of the issue.

    Some of the “actors” from the terrorist attacks of 911 have been caught and brought to justice, others have been killed.

  32. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 9 Feb 2009 at 4:49 pm:
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    Citi,

    If you knew that; “The whole point of easing the credit freeze was to get banks to loan money again”, then why did you write that shit about Acorn, NEA, and abortions not being in the bail out? Oh, I know: Cause you’re an ass.

    Forty-eight percent of the American people approve of how the Democrats in Congress are handling economic stimulus bill v. 31% for congressional Republicans.

    In what way is Virginia in much better shape than New York? How ’bout an example, and not an “I believe this to be true” OPINION, but a concrete, DOCUMENTED example? Liberalism hasn’t ruined anything. It’all in your head, Citi!

    Why did Bush not catch Bin Laden, Citi?

  33. Maureen said on 9 Feb 2009 at 6:17 pm:
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    Just in: Senate Votes to Cut Off Debate on Stimulus Bill http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/09/AR2009020901020.html?hpid=topnews

  34. mnd said on 9 Feb 2009 at 6:51 pm:
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

  35. Tom Andrews said on 9 Feb 2009 at 8:35 pm:
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    To quote one of the pillars of the Democratic party Al Gore, it is an “inconvenient truth” that the Democrats have been in total control of Congress for coming on three years now. The President inherently can not spend any of the treasurys money. That responsibility falls to the Congress, as Sen. Robert Byrd loves to say “the power of the purse” resides at the Capitol not the White House. Think back to 2005 and 2006 when the stock market was humming along at 10,000 and your house value was extremely high. What happened? The 2006 election happened and the Dems took control of the checkbook. Unfortunately, in the press they get a pass because everything could be blamed on Pres. Bush. Now, I don’t recall Pres. Bush being hailed as an economic guru when my Lake Ridge house was valued at a half million dollars and my 401 was cooking. But now, when the over inflated phony home valuations finally came back to earth and the other financial houses of cards came crashing down, it’s Pres. Bush’s fault when in fact the Dems have been in control of all federal expenditures and have had all oversight responsibility for the federal institutions that were supposed to be minding the store since the good old days of 2006. Maybe had they spent more time concerning themselves with the business of the federal government and less time worrying about hearings on steroids in baseball some of this could have been averted.

  36. BattleCat said on 9 Feb 2009 at 8:41 pm:
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    I heard Arlen Sphincter on Hannity this afternoon. He sounds very, very senile. Seriously, listening to him trying to justify his support for the bill was like listening to the poor folks rambling in the retirement home. I’ll say this…if the RNC gives this guy one thin dime for his reelection campaign, that will be proof that the Republican Party is still lost. Why should we vote Republican if the RNC funds a traitor, not only to the party, but the nation.

  37. Slick said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:24 pm:
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    DumbO, America’s first illegal alien, closeted muslim president. Way to go idiots! Buy guns and ammo while you still can, this country will resemble zimbabwe in 4 years.

  38. ChangeUCanDeceiveIn said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:39 pm:
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    Jay said on 9 Feb 2009 at 7:10 am:

    That’s funny.

    For most people with an education the “fall of America” happened back in 2000.

    Yeah, Jay. And things went straight to hell when the Democrats took over the majority two years ago. Gosh, it really wasn’t all that long ago, was it, that Barney Frank assured us that Fannie and Freddie were rock solid. Guess he doesn’t count as “most people with an education,” does he?

    “Most people with an education” wouldn’t fall for Obama’s escalating “catastrophic “rhetoric, and most understand that we would not even feel the effects of this “stimulus” package for at least 2-3 years. “Most people with an education” would see the inherent contradiction here. As a matter of fact, many people who have no more than a high-school education have been able to see the contradictions and spot the bs we’re being fed.

    You must have peed yourself this morning rushing to be the first to post your snotty, elitist liberal drivel.

  39. sahdman said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:48 pm:
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    Once the SCHIP cigarette tax kicks in I’ll quit smoking. I didn’t want to pay for health care for children anyway. (let ‘em die) Now with the “stimulus”, its better than winning the lottery. I’ll live off the government dole and when state run health care kicks in and if I get sick they will let me die. (they will kill us all Nancy Pelosi said less people is better for the economy) Its a proud day to be a communist.
    ALL HAIL Oholibama!!!!
    Lets see if we can’t get the 22nd amendment changed and make Obama our “Grand Enchanted Leader King” forever. Can you believe this crap. We are a long way from the Boston tea party and the Revolutionary war.
    Maybe after they give us “free” health care they will let us keep the little part of our brains they will cut out. Abortions and lobotomies for all. What a country it was.

  40. ChangeUCanDeceiveIn said on 9 Feb 2009 at 10:53 pm:
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    And once we get the HOT lanes in place, it will become to expensive to drive to work. No incentive to work whatsover, and the kids’ll get free healthcare anyway.

    Hey, this is starting to sound good!

  41. Cheetah said on 10 Feb 2009 at 12:30 am:
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    I bleed Obama blue appears strikingly as the person formerly known as “NGL” on the other side.

  42. Johnson said on 10 Feb 2009 at 8:19 am:
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    Our government is out of control. We are spending money that does not exist. We have invited the entire third world to immigrate here and drive an economy that could not sustain itself. It’s all due to greed.

  43. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 10 Feb 2009 at 8:36 am:
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    Don’t just blame Democrats for this sorry state. Bush did his best hard sell on this “stimulus bill”, and McCain staked his Presidential campaign on trying to “get it done”.

    We the people need a real choice. The GOP jsut exploits the abortion and “culture war” issues to mine your votes, for the real purpose of keeping the rich rich.

    On the subject of culture wars, here’s an absolutely amazing clip from the Nixon tapes on the Culture Wars, circa 1971 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TivVcfSBVSM

  44. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 10 Feb 2009 at 9:20 am:
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    Hey Slick -

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    I’m laughing @ you, clown!

    President Obama. President Obama. Say it with me now: President Obama. That has a nice ring, don’t you think? President Obama. President Obama. President Obama.

    Yes, he’s the right man for the job.

  45. 999 said on 10 Feb 2009 at 10:37 am:
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    In case anyone missed it, Harry (dimwit) Reid refused to allow an ammendment to prevent illegal aliens from getting any of the jobs the stimulus bill will generate. At present, one in seven construction jobs is filled by an illegal. Wanna bet we see a rise in illegals crossing the border?

  46. Anonymous said on 10 Feb 2009 at 1:22 pm:
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    Bleed Obama Blue said on 10 Feb 2009 at 9:20 am: Flag comment

    Hey Slick -

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    You probably crap blue too! IDIOT

  47. citizenofmanassas said on 10 Feb 2009 at 4:49 pm:
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    Bleed,

    Because the first bill did not contain pork, the current bill contains pork regardless of what obama and his fellow libs say. The current bill is full of pork because the Dems cannot control themselves when it comes to spending and paying off those that do their dirty work for them.

    Who is the ass now?

    Obama lied about not having pork in the bill. Obama lied about not having lobbyists in his Administration. Obama lied about being bi-partisan. Can obama hire anyone who pays their taxes?

    What have the Dems done in three years of running Congress?

    The Dems voted for every bill over the last eight years. Can you provide an example where every single Dem in the House did not vote for a spending Bill? Or all but three did not vote in the Senate?

    Virginia is a right to work State, NY is not. Virginia has business friendly polices(for now), NY does not. NY has high taxes, VA does not. NY had more people move from there in 2008 then moved there in 2008. Virginia did not have that problem. NY has high taxes. VA does not. NY has more liberals than VA does. NY has a higher unemployment rate than VA has. Why? Because liberal policies are harmful to success. http://www.bls.gov/web/lauhsthl.htm

  48. Hooplehead said on 10 Feb 2009 at 8:41 pm:
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    Medic: “For the first imte in my life, I am afraid to be in America. ”

    Welcome to what it’s been like for the past eight years for intelligent people.

  49. Emma said on 10 Feb 2009 at 9:18 pm:
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    Hooplehead, I’m LMAO. You need to go back and read what you just said. Sounds like you just agreed with medic.

    There’s always 2012, so don’t worry. You’ll be proud again when the adults take over again.

  50. Red, White and Blue said on 10 Feb 2009 at 11:09 pm:
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    Bleed Obama? Didn’t Hitler have a lot of idiots who followed him off that cliff? Hey Bleed, since you like statistics how about this one. How many people initially supported Bush and the war? Hmmm, pretty high as I recall.
    Bush had a very low rating in his last 1/2 year, somewhere in the range of 30% give or take. BUT, what was the rating of Congress at that same time? Try 1/2 of that number. Obama was a part of that low number and “Mr. Present” has no one to hide behind or blame now.

    That said, I have disagreed with the Bush spending, his stupid TARP plan and now we have the same old “change” with “Mr. Present”, yeah baby, a whole new trillion on the note of fear and hopelessness. This is Bleeding alright. Cash going out like California, NY and NJ - all in serious trouble. Liberals forever!!! They never learn, just spend, spend, spend. Bush was more liberal than Clinton on some issues but anyone who has the misguided dream that Barry will save the day is smoking the same stuff he did in college, as he admits and brags about.

    Good luck having blind support for a guy who voted more as “present” or not showing up to vote at all. Now that is a record to proud of.

  51. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 11 Feb 2009 at 12:02 am:
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    Don’t worry, Citi: You’re still an ass.

    To you, ALL gov’t. spending is “pork”, so what’s new?

    Remember that Bush signed each and every one of those spending bills into law. Where was the vaunted “fiscal conservatism” of YOUR friends in Congress?

    In NY, non-union employees (who are bound by the terms of the union contract even though they are not members of the union) benefit from collective bargaining without paying union dues. That’s “right to work”: For whom is this good? What do you mean by “business friendly polices”? Why must you obfuscate?

    As to the unemployment rate: You don’t suppose NY’s rate could be effected by the financial crisis, do you? God, you’re a dumbass.

    Yes, Citi, NY has more liberals than does VA…for now.

  52. AWCheney said on 11 Feb 2009 at 8:54 am:
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    The first bill that passed did, indeed, contain pork. It was added after the first attempt to sweeten the pot for the hold outs, particularly the Democrats. Intimidation and the threat of martial brought the Republicans in line. It would seem that everyone has their price.

  53. AWCheney said on 11 Feb 2009 at 3:49 pm:
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    I just noticed, please correct: the threat of martial law

  54. citizenofmanassas said on 11 Feb 2009 at 4:52 pm:
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    Bleed,

    Where have I ever said all Government spending is pork?

    Where have I ever said I was happy with the spending bills that Bush signed? See you just make assumptions based on nothing but what is rolling around in your head.

    Why do you think Virginia is getting worse and not better? Too many liberals. As a long time resident of the Commonwealth, I have seen the change that has happened here and it is not good. Not so coincidental the number of liberals living here has gone up.

    What is your excuse for California? For Rhode Island? They are all liberal run States that are in much worse shape than Virginia.

    Now, you either want to destroy America State by State, or you simply have to admit liberal policies are not good for the Country.

    Virginia does not have liberal business practices that impede growth of business like NY does. They make it easier for businesses to expand, because of lower tax rates, etc. That is why NY and other liberal run States are worse off.

  55. rebelreggie said on 11 Feb 2009 at 5:46 pm:
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    States Passing Resolutions of Sovereignty?

    Various State Legislatures | February 11, 2009 | TCH

    Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:01:38 PM by TCH

    PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO ALL AMERICANS - THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

    Good information to pass on to the sleeping public. It is preaching to the choir for most of you. Redistribute to the sleepers.

    9+ States have now declared sovereignty… Add Washington to the list.

    In case you didnt hear about it on the mainstream media (which you havent because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring or have already declared sovereignty, including:

    Washington

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

    New Hampshire

    http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

    Arizona

    http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

    Montana

    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

    Michigan

    http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004

    Missouri

    http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM

    Oklahoma

    http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power

    California

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered

    Georgia

    http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm

    Possibly: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho,Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois

    It is interesting to note that Arizona explicitly speaks about continuity of government and the role of servicemen.

    …if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state … individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected;…

    Full text: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

    The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified. United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).

  56. Richboy said on 11 Feb 2009 at 7:45 pm:
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    This is not an argument for liberal policies in VA, and it is not an attack on the arguments made above, but it is most definately a plea for logical argument.

    The truth is that Virginia does fiscally well because of all the federal spending within the state and adjacent to the state. People who live in NoVA make big bucks primarily because they have high paying jobs in DC (i.e. a husband wife team of two GS-15s earns a quarter mil a year, and they get every other Friday off, and their csrs retirement program is far better than nearly all private programs). Other folks rake in the cash selling houses, food, cars, etc. to that same couple.

    If DC was not located adjacent to NoVA, and if the government contractors located here did not also make a fortune off the gov’t, NoVA would be a wasteland. That’s a fact. We’re making big money in NoVA sucking on the gov’t’s big you-know-what. Little of VA’s success is due to conservative or liberal policies.

    NoVA is far more liberal than the rest of VA, yet we do far better fiscally than the rest of the Commonwealth. Either we are doing well due to liberal NoVA policies or we are doing well because we occupy the virtual seat of government jobs. I suggest the latter, and I assume most on this blog would understandably consider the former quite unpalitable.

    Also, CA and NY have historically done far better than most other states in terms of more jobs, more colleges and most corporate headquarters. It is true that CA and NY are not doing well now, but their liberal policiies have existed far longer than their current respective economic down turns.

    In sum, VA’s success vis-a-vis other states is not a valid comparison. If DC was not here, there would be no NoVA, and the rest of the state (which is far more conservative than NoVA)would be far worse off. It has been repeatedly and correctly oberved on this blog board that the rest of the state disproprortionally benefits from NoVA revenues far more than NoVA benefits from the remainder of the Commonwealth.

  57. citizenofmanassas said on 11 Feb 2009 at 8:50 pm:
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    Richboy,

    You do realize that as recent as the 1960’s that California was controlled by the GOP. The school systems were some of the tops in the Nation etc.

    The reason why California is in such bad shape now, is that it took time for the liberal policies to have an impact. The many social programs, the bloated school budgets, the unfriendly business policies. The State is so burdened by their budget costs just trying to keep up with inflation, they simply were living on borrowed time and now they are paying for it big time.

    Yes, we do benefit from having the Federal Government here, but NY and California also has Federal Government employees. Maryland also benefits. Outside of NOVA, the State is still better off then CA and NY and other liberal States. We also have a larger population than many areas of the State, so naturally, there is going to be more tax revenue generated from this area. You can bet that if Virginia changed their right to work State status companies would leave or if the State attempted to enact some of the liberal policies that CA or NY has, companies would leave. California’s overtime law states an employee who works more than 8 hours a day must be paid over time even if they do not work a total of 40 hours a week. That is just a silly law. But is indicative of a liberal State.

    Remember how MD tired to pass the “wal-mart” health care plan a few years ago? Do you remember the reaction from the business community? Lucky for MD the libs did not win that one.

    Hilton Hotels just announced they are moving an office to Fairfax County and picked them over DC and Montgomery County due to the better offer that VA provided. They are moving here from California.

    America attracts international investment because we are a capitalist economy that offers a good return and relative safe investment. Cuba on the other hand is a Communist Nation and does not attract much investment because it does not pay. Venezuela is a Country that is running toward socialism. Do you think they will replace America as a top place to invest? Nope.

    Do you remember New York City in the 1970’s?

  58. citizenofmanassas said on 11 Feb 2009 at 9:13 pm:
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    Here is an article talking about the trouble in California.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28625138/

    Also because obama has stated he is going to cut the defense budget(a liberal policy) many of our local Government contractors are nervous. The drop in military spending would have a negative impact on our area.

  59. I Bleed Obama Blue said on 11 Feb 2009 at 10:19 pm:
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    Okay, Citi, indulge me: What, in your mind, differentiates “good spending” from “pork”?

    It is hypocritical for you to call out Democrats for voting in favor of spending bills while “forgetting” that Bush signed them. It takes two to tango, Citi.

    Citi, I reject your premise that “Virginia is getting worse and not better”. How is this so? Could you be more specific than claiming; “As a long time resident of the Commonwealth, I have seen the change that has happened here and it is not good.” That means absolutely nothing.

    I wish you’d pay attention to what I write so I don’t have to keep repeating myself. Rhode Island’s problem is that it didn’t move away from it textile manufacturing past soon enough and as those jobs moved to more affordable wage areas, its economy has suffered. It has nothing top do w/so-called conservative v. liberal control of gov’t.

  60. citizenofmanassas said on 12 Feb 2009 at 4:48 pm:
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    I bleed,

    First you defend the high unemployment rate of NY by blaming it on the financial mess, and Rhode Island on their depends on manufacturing. Stop making excuses for liberal policies that are not business friendly. The vast majority of businesses in Rhode Island employ less than 50 people, why? Because it does not pay to expand and take risks there.

    Good spending in my opinion means using tax money for Defense, National Security, using the federal gas tax revenue on highway programs and other transportation projects that will benefit many, not just a few(the bridge to nowhere is an example of bad spending).

    Spending money on National Parks, Veterans affairs, Social Security(another dedicated revenue), NASA, Medicare, Food Stamps for the truly needy.

    Congress needs to do a better job of not wasting money regardless of where the money is being spent.

    I do not consider spending money on the NEA, ACORN, Frogs, etc to be a good use of funds. This bill, according to obama, is needed to save the Nation, why muck it up with with pork?

    Yes, it does take two to tango, and the Dems went right along with the spending of the last eight years. It seems pretty funny to complain about the debt of the last eight years and then support a spending program that will not only add to the debt but will take it to a whole new level.

    Virginia(at least this part) used to be a far more friendly place. Outside of NOVA, you find what this area used to be like. Schools were better(particularly in Fairfax, where parents just complained the grading system was too tough). Government was not as large. There did not seem to be a group of elected officials who were hell bent on destroying the Commonwealth because they were more concerned with how their National party leaders felt then the people of the Commonwealth. IMO, people used to respect, understand, and honor Virginia history, now it seems too many newcomers simply do not want to embrace any VA history or even respect it.

    I don’t understand why people move from one area(the NE) because they were sick of the high taxes, fees etc, and then start to turn their new home into exactly the type of place they had previously left because they could not stand it. I would never move to NY and then attempt to turn into another Virginia. There must have been a reason(s) they picked Virginia to move to. Why screw it up?

  61. Emma said on 12 Feb 2009 at 5:31 pm:
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    I apologize ahead of time for such a long post, but I think it’s critical to highlight an item in the alleged “stimulus” package that the MSM isn’t spending much time on. As Sean Hannity said today, investigative journalism is apparently dead. This is from yesterday’s Washington Times:

    Secreted in the House version of the stimulus bill the President is trying to rush through Congress is the germ of a major overhaul of the American health care system. One provision causing increasing concern is the future role of the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, who will be in charge of collecting and monitoring the health care being provided to every American.

    Think of it, a centralized, federal database tracking your every visit to a health care provider - where you went, who you saw, what was diagnosed and what care was provided. Chilling. The immediate concern is privacy - traditionally these matters are between a doctor and patient, but now the federal bureaucracy will interpose itself into that relationship. The bill contains some boilerplate, assuring everyone that the records will be held in strictest confidence, but given the weakness of database security these days, that can be considered more a hope than a guarantee.

    The purpose of the database is to help increase health care “quality, safety and efficiency.” The first two goals are commendable, but what does efficiency mean?

    The word is omnipresent in that section of the bill, but not defined. For guidance one can consult tax-impaired former HHS nominee Tom Daschle’s 2008 book “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis,” which seems to have inspired that section of the legislation.

    In it he discusses various approaches to reducing the costs of health care, including restricting the types of expensive treatments available to seniors and people with severe maladies. According to Daschle, Americans consume too much expensive health care. Thus one way to drive down costs is to limit the availability of or access to certain costly services. To many this sounds like denying care. But therein lie the efficiencies, making sure that providing health care is tied to a return on investment for society. If it costs too much to treat you, and you are nearing the end of your life anyway, you may have to do with less, or with nothing. You just aren’t worth the cost.

    Daschle’s book recommends, and the bill appears to institutionalize, a body free of political influence to make the hard choices regarding how these efficiencies will be realized - what care will be limited, and who will be denied what services. Naturally politicians would prefer to stay clear of these critical decisions, but do the American people really want questions this important to be free of oversight?

    One would think that the hard questions are the ones most in need of transparency and accountability, and not be buried in bureaucratic secrecy. It brings to mind Hannah Arendt’s observation about the banality of evil. What nondescript GS-11 will be cutting care from Aunt Sophie after her sudden relapse before he or she heads to the food court for some stir fry?

    There is no telling what metrics will be used to define the efficiencies, but it is clear who will bear the brunt of these decisions. Those suffering the infirmities of age, surely, and also the physically and mentally disabled, whose health costs are great and whose ability to work productively in the future are low. And how will premature babies fare under the utilitarian gaze of Washington’s health efficiency experts? Will our severely wounded warriors be forced to forgo treatments and therapies based on their inability to be as productive as they once might have been? And will the love between a parent and child have a column on the health bureaucrats’ spreadsheets?

    Consider the following statement: “It must be made clear to anyone suffering from an incurable disease that the useless dissipation of costly medications drawn from the public store cannot be justified.”

    This notion is fully in the spirit of the partisans of efficiency but came from a program instituted in Hitler’s Germany called Aktion T-4. Under this program, elderly people with incurable diseases, young children who were critically disabled, and others who were deemed non-productive, were euthanized. This was the Nazi version of efficiency, a pitiless expulsion of the “unproductive” members of society in the most expeditious way possible.

    The program was publicly denounced in 1941 by Clemens Galen, the Catholic Bishop of Muenster, who said in a sermon, “Here we are dealing with human beings, with our neighbors, brothers and sisters, the poor and invalids … unproductive - perhaps! But have they, therefore, lost the right to live?”

    The efficiency-based approach to health care reform is a betrayal of the compact between those who are most capable of work and those who are least capable of defending themselves. And we have come a long way from what was supposed to be a “targeted, timely and temporary” stimulus bill.

    I’m trying to imagine what happens when some GS-11 accidently loses his government-issued laptop.

    Truly firghtening first step toward destroying the finest and most technologically-advanced healthcare system in the world.

  62. Emma said on 12 Feb 2009 at 5:32 pm:
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    I should add that this database will use up about $20 BILLION of your stimulus dollars.

  63. sahdman said on 12 Feb 2009 at 9:49 pm:
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    “It must be made clear to anyone suffering from an incurable disease that the useless dissipation of costly medications drawn from the public store cannot be justified.”

    No experimental drugs anymore cost is to high. I can’t wait. I can’t wait to see elderly people I know die because of this. Aunts, uncles, grandmothers, grandfathers, elderly parents, elderly friends everyone you love and value will be considered worthless. Lives full of wisdom and experience will be terminated by guys like Barney I like Franks and beans, Oholibama, and Harry Reid. (Godless liberals)

    I just hope when they pass this every hospital room in Amerika will have a picture of Hillary Clinton hanging over each bed, and at the entrance an alter with a statue of Oholibama behind it. I also hope they train the doctors to talk like Barney Frank and make them all look like Tom Daschle. The nurses would look like Nancy Pelosi of course. And when they are slowly watching you suffer while they withhold medicine, they smile. And while the doctor talks to you he spits all over your face.
    And of course ACORN is their making sure you fill our your absentee ballots for the next election.

    The only reason Northern Virginia is still a tolerable place to live is because the house of representatives in Richmond has done their part not to pass every tax increase and crazy laws the liberals want. We would probably have toll roads everywhere, 2nd amendment rights trampled on, your car tax would be higher, who knows what would happen if it weren’t for some sound minded people down south who have a common sense for freedom and a love of liberty.

  64. citizenofmanassas said on 14 Feb 2009 at 5:43 pm:
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    Here is a great video showing how the Dems resisted doing anything about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while Bush was in office. Some might say the Dems wanted a financial meltdown in order to impose their socialist agenda on America.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&NR=1

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