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		<title>By: rebelreggie</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81910</link>
		<dc:creator>rebelreggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND JUST SO YOU KNOW.........THIS WAS WRITTEN BY A BLACK WOMAN.........
 

White Pride Denied

Elizabeth Wright - 8/11/2007

 

Did you know that the terms "Black Power," "Black Supremacy," and "La Raza" (The Race) are all trademarks that have long been approved by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office? Even the Black Panther Party's slogan "Burn, Baby, Burn" (which still evokes the threat of rioting and mayhem), had no problem winning official trademark recognition. And then there's "African Pride," "Black Pride," "Chippewa Pride," "Cuban Pride," "Indian Pride," "Jewish Pride," "Red Pride," and lots more -- all aimed at acknowledging a race or ethnicity. And all terms approved by the U.S. government.

As Reported by American Renaissance and Free Republic, when Justin Moritz, a former law enforcement officer, applied to trademark the phrase "White Pride Country Wide," he was rejected in no uncertain terms. Registration of the words was not only denied, but the phrase was ruled "offensive" and "immoral." More succinctly, the trademark office claimed, "... the proposed mark consists of or comprises immoral or scandalous matter."

Incredulous, Moritz's next step was to appeal the decision and give trademark officials a chance to reconsider his request. He first did some homework and accumulated a list of all the trademarks given to terms that acknowledge pride of race or national origin. He came up with over three dozen relevant terms or slogans, many referencing people of color, which objectively could be deemed close relatives to "White Pride Country Wide." All to no avail. Rejection of his registration was upheld, and to add to his vexation, his $1,300 trademark application fee was deemed non-refundable.

Moritz next turned to the ACLU, which, unsurprisingly, refused to petition the trademark office in his behalf. He then contacted the Center for Individual Rights, a public interest law firm. CIR did not take the case, but did place it on the website of the Federalist Society, where lawyers sometimes choose cases to handle pro bono. As of August, Moritz had not been contacted by a willing attorney.

Let's face it, it would be surprising if Moritz found support, especially among whites. After decades of inundation about the evils of "white racism" coming from all directions, and most especially from the media and education establishments, the average white is programmed to avoid anything that smacks of conscious endorsement of his own race. In the current social climate, to display favorable regard towards that which is white, not only is forbidden, but is viewed as an automatic disparagement of non-whites.

A "White Pride" T-shirt is deemed a threatening symbol, whereas a "Black Supremacy" slogan on a button or garment is viewed as an understandable, albeit angry response to undeserved past abuses. Any public effort to promote a white theme is doomed to failure, even if the proper bows to racial diversity are adhered to. Whites learn early to censor themselves, in order to comply with the rules of the race game.

The white who does not learn how to keep his head beneath the radar could wind up smeared with the "racist" label -- a potentially ruinous accusation. He who slips and fails to follow the politically correct race protocol could find himself in a turbulent situation. Given the existence of "hate crime" laws -- ambiguous statutes conceived primarily to entrap whites -- it is best to keep any socially unorthodox thoughts to oneself. As several cases demonstrate, punishment for Thought Crime has arrived in America.

Knowing that whites are on the defensive in this peculiar, one-sided shadow play, self-appointed "watchdog" groups, i.e., the professional "anti-racists," are quick to target a slogan like "White Pride Country Wide" as an arrogant manifestation of white supremacy. Honest intentions do not matter, since this is a "Gotcha!" game. Once the taboo "supremacist" has been applied, other whites will run for cover, eager to dissociate themselves from anyone who might bring on "race" troubles.

In a society now immersed in identity politics, where the education system and a reinforcing media work overtime in pummeling young minds with racially correct propaganda, there is little prospect that fairness will prevail in the near future.

                        Elizabeth Wright is an African-American writer and editor of the Issues &#38; Views Magazine and blog. Her articles were also published in Issues &#38; Views.           

 
 Just so you know........puppets come in BLACK too.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND JUST SO YOU KNOW&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;THIS WAS WRITTEN BY A BLACK WOMAN&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>White Pride Denied</p>
<p>Elizabeth Wright - 8/11/2007</p>
<p>Did you know that the terms &#8220;Black Power,&#8221; &#8220;Black Supremacy,&#8221; and &#8220;La Raza&#8221; (The Race) are all trademarks that have long been approved by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office? Even the Black Panther Party&#8217;s slogan &#8220;Burn, Baby, Burn&#8221; (which still evokes the threat of rioting and mayhem), had no problem winning official trademark recognition. And then there&#8217;s &#8220;African Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Black Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Chippewa Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Cuban Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Indian Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Jewish Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Red Pride,&#8221; and lots more &#8212; all aimed at acknowledging a race or ethnicity. And all terms approved by the U.S. government.</p>
<p>As Reported by American Renaissance and Free Republic, when Justin Moritz, a former law enforcement officer, applied to trademark the phrase &#8220;White Pride Country Wide,&#8221; he was rejected in no uncertain terms. Registration of the words was not only denied, but the phrase was ruled &#8220;offensive&#8221; and &#8220;immoral.&#8221; More succinctly, the trademark office claimed, &#8220;&#8230; the proposed mark consists of or comprises immoral or scandalous matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incredulous, Moritz&#8217;s next step was to appeal the decision and give trademark officials a chance to reconsider his request. He first did some homework and accumulated a list of all the trademarks given to terms that acknowledge pride of race or national origin. He came up with over three dozen relevant terms or slogans, many referencing people of color, which objectively could be deemed close relatives to &#8220;White Pride Country Wide.&#8221; All to no avail. Rejection of his registration was upheld, and to add to his vexation, his $1,300 trademark application fee was deemed non-refundable.</p>
<p>Moritz next turned to the ACLU, which, unsurprisingly, refused to petition the trademark office in his behalf. He then contacted the Center for Individual Rights, a public interest law firm. CIR did not take the case, but did place it on the website of the Federalist Society, where lawyers sometimes choose cases to handle pro bono. As of August, Moritz had not been contacted by a willing attorney.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, it would be surprising if Moritz found support, especially among whites. After decades of inundation about the evils of &#8220;white racism&#8221; coming from all directions, and most especially from the media and education establishments, the average white is programmed to avoid anything that smacks of conscious endorsement of his own race. In the current social climate, to display favorable regard towards that which is white, not only is forbidden, but is viewed as an automatic disparagement of non-whites.</p>
<p>A &#8220;White Pride&#8221; T-shirt is deemed a threatening symbol, whereas a &#8220;Black Supremacy&#8221; slogan on a button or garment is viewed as an understandable, albeit angry response to undeserved past abuses. Any public effort to promote a white theme is doomed to failure, even if the proper bows to racial diversity are adhered to. Whites learn early to censor themselves, in order to comply with the rules of the race game.</p>
<p>The white who does not learn how to keep his head beneath the radar could wind up smeared with the &#8220;racist&#8221; label &#8212; a potentially ruinous accusation. He who slips and fails to follow the politically correct race protocol could find himself in a turbulent situation. Given the existence of &#8220;hate crime&#8221; laws &#8212; ambiguous statutes conceived primarily to entrap whites &#8212; it is best to keep any socially unorthodox thoughts to oneself. As several cases demonstrate, punishment for Thought Crime has arrived in America.</p>
<p>Knowing that whites are on the defensive in this peculiar, one-sided shadow play, self-appointed &#8220;watchdog&#8221; groups, i.e., the professional &#8220;anti-racists,&#8221; are quick to target a slogan like &#8220;White Pride Country Wide&#8221; as an arrogant manifestation of white supremacy. Honest intentions do not matter, since this is a &#8220;Gotcha!&#8221; game. Once the taboo &#8220;supremacist&#8221; has been applied, other whites will run for cover, eager to dissociate themselves from anyone who might bring on &#8220;race&#8221; troubles.</p>
<p>In a society now immersed in identity politics, where the education system and a reinforcing media work overtime in pummeling young minds with racially correct propaganda, there is little prospect that fairness will prevail in the near future.</p>
<p>                        Elizabeth Wright is an African-American writer and editor of the Issues &amp; Views Magazine and blog. Her articles were also published in Issues &amp; Views.           </p>
<p> Just so you know&#8230;&#8230;..puppets come in BLACK too&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stimulus Q</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81849</link>
		<dc:creator>Stimulus Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81849</guid>
		<description>Re the earlier stimulus discussion, I gather that a handful of states such as Alaska are stating their intention to decline stimulus bucks.</description>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81812</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81812</guid>
		<description>More unrest along the border. 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6267870.html</description>
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		<title>By: es_la_ley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81806</link>
		<dc:creator>es_la_ley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81806</guid>
		<description>InsideNOVA article (2/17)

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&lt;b&gt;Police search for man in rape of 8-year-old&lt;/b&gt;

By Uriah A. Kiser

Published: February 17, 2009

A 25-year-old Honduran national is wanted in connection with the rape of an 8-year-old girl.

Police said Marcos Danilo Reyes Banegas is accused of raping the child in Woodbridge on Monday, said Prince William County police spokeswoman Erika Hernandez.

Police said Reyes Banegas is an acquaintance of girl.

Hernandez said the man has ties to the Woodbridge, Alexandria, and Gaithersburg, Md.

Police have obtained warrants charging Reyes Banegas with rape, forcible sodomy, aggravated sexual battery and indecent liberties with a minor, Hernandez said.

He is about 5 feet 3 inches tall and weighs 154 pounds. He has short black hair and brown eyes.

Hernandez said he is driving a dark gray four-door 2004 Pontiac Grand Am sedan with Maryland registration “2DWK45.”

Hernandez said because of his immigration status Reyes Banegas may try to flee the country.

The report comes on the heels of a Manassas incident in which a man was charged with sexually assaulting another 8-year-old girl.

On Feb. 9, police arrested Gerald Dean Lentz, 46, of 205 Yoakum Parkway #403 in Alexandria, and charged him with object sexual penetration and aggravated sexual battery.

Hernandez said like Reyes Banegas case, Lentz also knew the girl before he allegedly attacked her.

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Reyes Banegas is encouraged to call police at 703-792-6500 or Crime Solvers at 703-670-3700. Callers don’t have to give their names. Tips leading to arrest could earn a cash reward up to $1,000.

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http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/man_accused_of_raping_8-year-old/30154/</description>
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<p><b>Police search for man in rape of 8-year-old</b></p>
<p>By Uriah A. Kiser</p>
<p>Published: February 17, 2009</p>
<p>A 25-year-old Honduran national is wanted in connection with the rape of an 8-year-old girl.</p>
<p>Police said Marcos Danilo Reyes Banegas is accused of raping the child in Woodbridge on Monday, said Prince William County police spokeswoman Erika Hernandez.</p>
<p>Police said Reyes Banegas is an acquaintance of girl.</p>
<p>Hernandez said the man has ties to the Woodbridge, Alexandria, and Gaithersburg, Md.</p>
<p>Police have obtained warrants charging Reyes Banegas with rape, forcible sodomy, aggravated sexual battery and indecent liberties with a minor, Hernandez said.</p>
<p>He is about 5 feet 3 inches tall and weighs 154 pounds. He has short black hair and brown eyes.</p>
<p>Hernandez said he is driving a dark gray four-door 2004 Pontiac Grand Am sedan with Maryland registration “2DWK45.”</p>
<p>Hernandez said because of his immigration status Reyes Banegas may try to flee the country.</p>
<p>The report comes on the heels of a Manassas incident in which a man was charged with sexually assaulting another 8-year-old girl.</p>
<p>On Feb. 9, police arrested Gerald Dean Lentz, 46, of 205 Yoakum Parkway #403 in Alexandria, and charged him with object sexual penetration and aggravated sexual battery.</p>
<p>Hernandez said like Reyes Banegas case, Lentz also knew the girl before he allegedly attacked her.</p>
<p>Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Reyes Banegas is encouraged to call police at 703-792-6500 or Crime Solvers at 703-670-3700. Callers don’t have to give their names. Tips leading to arrest could earn a cash reward up to $1,000.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81797</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81797</guid>
		<description>Inquiring,

I agree.  Though, it seems at least for the Mayor of Manassas, since every other City is asking for money and most likely to receive it, Manassas should not be left out.   Preaching fiscal responsibility like I did and many others did a few years ago when it seemed money was growing on trees seemed to have fallen on deaf ears.  When the Council was increasing budgets between 8 to 11%  a year and adding to the City costs, nobody on the Council it seemed thought past a year to think how an economic downturn might affect the City.  Now, of course some cuts have been made, but had the City returned more money to us taxpayers, they could have avoided making some cuts and may have avoided having to put their hand out to the Federal Government.   There is always an unforseen price to pay for accepting money from the Federal Government that would otherwise not have been provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquiring,</p>
<p>I agree.  Though, it seems at least for the Mayor of Manassas, since every other City is asking for money and most likely to receive it, Manassas should not be left out.   Preaching fiscal responsibility like I did and many others did a few years ago when it seemed money was growing on trees seemed to have fallen on deaf ears.  When the Council was increasing budgets between 8 to 11%  a year and adding to the City costs, nobody on the Council it seemed thought past a year to think how an economic downturn might affect the City.  Now, of course some cuts have been made, but had the City returned more money to us taxpayers, they could have avoided making some cuts and may have avoided having to put their hand out to the Federal Government.   There is always an unforseen price to pay for accepting money from the Federal Government that would otherwise not have been provided.</p>
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		<title>By: inquiring</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81794</link>
		<dc:creator>inquiring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81794</guid>
		<description>True that some money will automatically flow through, but there will be multiple opportunities to say "no thank you" to portions of the money. For example, municipalities will have opportunities to apply for $ from DOE. Municipalities are at the present time just beginning to get in line to make requests through state government offices. You don't hear much about it because it's not yet (but soon will be) completely clear exactly what money will be available and concrete application processes are not yet in place. Both House and Senate Bills had provisions contemplating application processes, so I'm positive there will be multple opportunities to say no thanks simply by not getting in line and submitting project applications. Believe me, municipalities will not be forced to accept $, and municipalities wanting the $ will be happy to pick from a larger pie. I'd be very surprised if a single municipality in the Commonwealth intentionally chooses not to get in line solely on the basis of principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True that some money will automatically flow through, but there will be multiple opportunities to say &#8220;no thank you&#8221; to portions of the money. For example, municipalities will have opportunities to apply for $ from DOE. Municipalities are at the present time just beginning to get in line to make requests through state government offices. You don&#8217;t hear much about it because it&#8217;s not yet (but soon will be) completely clear exactly what money will be available and concrete application processes are not yet in place. Both House and Senate Bills had provisions contemplating application processes, so I&#8217;m positive there will be multple opportunities to say no thanks simply by not getting in line and submitting project applications. Believe me, municipalities will not be forced to accept $, and municipalities wanting the $ will be happy to pick from a larger pie. I&#8217;d be very surprised if a single municipality in the Commonwealth intentionally chooses not to get in line solely on the basis of principle.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81782</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81782</guid>
		<description>Inquiring,

I suppose on one hand since it is our tax dollars that will be spent, we should get those back, even though, we may not agree on how they are spent.  On the other hand, I think a stand should be made that if you are going to vote against it, you should not be so willing to accept the money.  However, since I live in VA with two Senators who voted for the Bill, and have a Governor who has a man crush on obama, we will get the money regardless of how our House members voted(the majority of whom voted against the Bill).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquiring,</p>
<p>I suppose on one hand since it is our tax dollars that will be spent, we should get those back, even though, we may not agree on how they are spent.  On the other hand, I think a stand should be made that if you are going to vote against it, you should not be so willing to accept the money.  However, since I live in VA with two Senators who voted for the Bill, and have a Governor who has a man crush on obama, we will get the money regardless of how our House members voted(the majority of whom voted against the Bill).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81781</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81781</guid>
		<description>Anyone seen that stupid anti blog?  I am sure most have but I just ran across it.  It's sad to think that they are wasting the very brain the good Lord gave them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone seen that stupid anti blog?  I am sure most have but I just ran across it.  It&#8217;s sad to think that they are wasting the very brain the good Lord gave them.</p>
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		<title>By: inquiring mind wants to know</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81779</link>
		<dc:creator>inquiring mind wants to know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81779</guid>
		<description>A few questions: 

Should those who disagree with the stimulus package nevertheless accept stimulus dollars? 

Should those politicos who disagree with the stimulus package decline to accept stimulus bucks for their communities?

If the answers are "yes," is there a difference between those who accept those dollars and US companies that do business in Mex to save a buck?

(Yeah, I know. Seemingly apples and oranges, but I perceive a common thread. Maybe it's not there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few questions: </p>
<p>Should those who disagree with the stimulus package nevertheless accept stimulus dollars? </p>
<p>Should those politicos who disagree with the stimulus package decline to accept stimulus bucks for their communities?</p>
<p>If the answers are &#8220;yes,&#8221; is there a difference between those who accept those dollars and US companies that do business in Mex to save a buck?</p>
<p>(Yeah, I know. Seemingly apples and oranges, but I perceive a common thread. Maybe it&#8217;s not there.)</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81776</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81776</guid>
		<description>FWIW,

We had lunch at the Red Robin(the one in Bristow by the new Target) today, and they have posted a sign in both English and spanish that states they hire only American Citizens and legal immigrants that are authorized to work  in the United States.  I  Don't know if they were busted in the past for hiring illegals, or they want to either scare off illegals, or make it appear they do not hire illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW,</p>
<p>We had lunch at the Red Robin(the one in Bristow by the new Target) today, and they have posted a sign in both English and spanish that states they hire only American Citizens and legal immigrants that are authorized to work  in the United States.  I  Don&#8217;t know if they were busted in the past for hiring illegals, or they want to either scare off illegals, or make it appear they do not hire illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81774</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81774</guid>
		<description>Search the terms "lead" and "mexican candy" on Google. Some interesting results turn up.</description>
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		<title>By: rebelreggie</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81772</link>
		<dc:creator>rebelreggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81772</guid>
		<description>U.S. Border Control                                                                        
Did you enjoy the Mexican candy?

           
Posted: 15 Feb 2009 08:05 PM CST

           
Saturday was Valentine's Day, celebrated with flowers and candy, but increasingly, that candy is coming from Mexico. From jellied hearts to Hershey's chocolates, Mexico's candy exports to the United States have more than doubled since 2002 as manufacturers chase cheap labor and sugar south of the border.

The latest arrival is Hershey, which is building a 1,500-employee factory in Monterrey, Mexico. Since 2007, the company has closed or shrunk factories in Oakdale, Calif.; Reading, Pa.; San Francisco and other sites.

Hersheys is following Brach's Confections, famous for caramels, and Ferrera Pan Candy, maker of Red Hots and Jaw Breakers. In January, Swiss chocolate giant Barry Callebaut opened a plant in Monterrey to produce about 100,000 tons of chocolate and cocoa a year for Hershey and other food makers. Mars Inc.'s Mexican branch produces Snickers and Milky Ways at a chocolate factory opened in 2007 in the northern city of Montemorelos, Mexico.

"All these companies want to make it cheap overseas somewhere, then bring it back and sell it to our people who don't have any jobs to buy it," said Dennis Bomberger, business manager of Chocolate Workers Local 464 in Hershey, Pa.

Even Mexican officials say they are unhappy, noting that chocolate factories are buying most of their cacao, the raw ingredient of cocoa and chocolate, at cheaper prices from Africa and Brazil, not Mexico.

Brach's Confections Inc. closed its Chicago factory in 2003 and moved to Linares, Mexico. Bobs Candies of Albany, Ga., a leader in the candy-cane business, moved its production to Reynosa, Mexico in 2005. In crime-ridden Juarez, Mexico, Sunrise Confections opened a plant in 2001 to make candies for U.S. grocery-store brands. For Valentine's Day, it churns out jellied hearts and cinnamon hearts.           
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U.S. Border Control<br />
Did you enjoy the Mexican candy?</p>
<p>Posted: 15 Feb 2009 08:05 PM CST</p>
<p>Saturday was Valentine&#8217;s Day, celebrated with flowers and candy, but increasingly, that candy is coming from Mexico. From jellied hearts to Hershey&#8217;s chocolates, Mexico&#8217;s candy exports to the United States have more than doubled since 2002 as manufacturers chase cheap labor and sugar south of the border.</p>
<p>The latest arrival is Hershey, which is building a 1,500-employee factory in Monterrey, Mexico. Since 2007, the company has closed or shrunk factories in Oakdale, Calif.; Reading, Pa.; San Francisco and other sites.</p>
<p>Hersheys is following Brach&#8217;s Confections, famous for caramels, and Ferrera Pan Candy, maker of Red Hots and Jaw Breakers. In January, Swiss chocolate giant Barry Callebaut opened a plant in Monterrey to produce about 100,000 tons of chocolate and cocoa a year for Hershey and other food makers. Mars Inc.&#8217;s Mexican branch produces Snickers and Milky Ways at a chocolate factory opened in 2007 in the northern city of Montemorelos, Mexico.</p>
<p>&#8220;All these companies want to make it cheap overseas somewhere, then bring it back and sell it to our people who don&#8217;t have any jobs to buy it,&#8221; said Dennis Bomberger, business manager of Chocolate Workers Local 464 in Hershey, Pa.</p>
<p>Even Mexican officials say they are unhappy, noting that chocolate factories are buying most of their cacao, the raw ingredient of cocoa and chocolate, at cheaper prices from Africa and Brazil, not Mexico.</p>
<p>Brach&#8217;s Confections Inc. closed its Chicago factory in 2003 and moved to Linares, Mexico. Bobs Candies of Albany, Ga., a leader in the candy-cane business, moved its production to Reynosa, Mexico in 2005. In crime-ridden Juarez, Mexico, Sunrise Confections opened a plant in 2001 to make candies for U.S. grocery-store brands. For Valentine&#8217;s Day, it churns out jellied hearts and cinnamon hearts.<br />
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		<title>By: chameleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chameleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>com/just a citizen,

both very true statements. Illegal is Illegal, otherwise they wouldnt be. Sure it's not violent crime, but being illegal in essence shows no respect for laws and it's well proven that no respect for laws is a contagious symptom that spreads.

BVBL is a good place to hang out and vent, dont go to the other place to vent, you'll get the dogs after you or your stuff will be heavily censored. They are too busy driving around in their "breast-milk powered prius's" (prop's to Ted for that quote) to really know what the real world out there is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>com/just a citizen,</p>
<p>both very true statements. Illegal is Illegal, otherwise they wouldnt be. Sure it&#8217;s not violent crime, but being illegal in essence shows no respect for laws and it&#8217;s well proven that no respect for laws is a contagious symptom that spreads.</p>
<p>BVBL is a good place to hang out and vent, dont go to the other place to vent, you&#8217;ll get the dogs after you or your stuff will be heavily censored. They are too busy driving around in their &#8220;breast-milk powered prius&#8217;s&#8221; (prop&#8217;s to Ted for that quote) to really know what the real world out there is</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>citizenofmanassas said on 16 Feb 2009 at 10:31 am: Flag comment 

Just Citizen,
Sorry, but there simply is not a defense for illegals, no matter how much spin their defenders try to put on it. Nobody in their right mind would defend drunk driving or bank robbery etc. So, why defend other illegal criminal activity?

They're only here to do the jobs Americans won't.  Everyone misses this point that the country would collapse without all of the illegals.  Local civic groups wouldn't have a job cleaning up the gang grafitti they leave behind.  We wouldn't have screaming chicos to dodge at the super market.  We would miss the overcrowded boarding houses and it occupants urinating in the yards.  We would miss trying to find the English instructions on items we purchase.  We would miss the stories in the local newspaper about how these poor people are being mistreated by the police departments just because they still can't speak English after being in this country many years.  There are so many things we would miss without the presence of illegal aliens.
We would also miss the marches and demonstrations by people supporting signs that encite hate and the "social" gatherings held at these sites.

Jeeeeez.......I just woke up from a nightmare and thought our government was inforcing the law and forcably did away with sanctuary cities and jailed the businesses that hire illegals.  Man, I have to stay away from those echeladas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>citizenofmanassas said on 16 Feb 2009 at 10:31 am: Flag comment </p>
<p>Just Citizen,<br />
Sorry, but there simply is not a defense for illegals, no matter how much spin their defenders try to put on it. Nobody in their right mind would defend drunk driving or bank robbery etc. So, why defend other illegal criminal activity?</p>
<p>They&#8217;re only here to do the jobs Americans won&#8217;t.  Everyone misses this point that the country would collapse without all of the illegals.  Local civic groups wouldn&#8217;t have a job cleaning up the gang grafitti they leave behind.  We wouldn&#8217;t have screaming chicos to dodge at the super market.  We would miss the overcrowded boarding houses and it occupants urinating in the yards.  We would miss trying to find the English instructions on items we purchase.  We would miss the stories in the local newspaper about how these poor people are being mistreated by the police departments just because they still can&#8217;t speak English after being in this country many years.  There are so many things we would miss without the presence of illegal aliens.<br />
We would also miss the marches and demonstrations by people supporting signs that encite hate and the &#8220;social&#8221; gatherings held at these sites.</p>
<p>Jeeeeez&#8230;&#8230;.I just woke up from a nightmare and thought our government was inforcing the law and forcably did away with sanctuary cities and jailed the businesses that hire illegals.  Man, I have to stay away from those echeladas.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
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		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/12/open-thread-33/#comment-81759</guid>
		<description>Just Citizen,


Unlike the COMPOST and other MSM outlets who for the most part provide cover for illegals, and their negative impact on our Country, BVBL provide an outlet for people to post their feelings and first hand accounts of not just the negative impact of illegals, but many other issues affecting our community.  

The problem with many libs who post here, is they come on post their opinion, and when faced with facts that prove them wrong, they run away, or call everyone here a bigot and then run away.   

Sorry, but there simply is not a defense for illegals, no matter how much spin their defenders try to put on it.   Nobody in their right mind would defend drunk driving or bank robbery etc.   So, why defend other illegal criminal activity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Citizen,</p>
<p>Unlike the COMPOST and other MSM outlets who for the most part provide cover for illegals, and their negative impact on our Country, BVBL provide an outlet for people to post their feelings and first hand accounts of not just the negative impact of illegals, but many other issues affecting our community.  </p>
<p>The problem with many libs who post here, is they come on post their opinion, and when faced with facts that prove them wrong, they run away, or call everyone here a bigot and then run away.   </p>
<p>Sorry, but there simply is not a defense for illegals, no matter how much spin their defenders try to put on it.   Nobody in their right mind would defend drunk driving or bank robbery etc.   So, why defend other illegal criminal activity?</p>
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		<title>By: just a citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>just a citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a general open thread comment about BVBL:

What I enjoy about BVBL is that folks let it hang out. Some are mature and prudent, others are childish, a few are downright mean. The vast majority are in earnest. BVBL provides a good place for people to vent, like going down to the corner store in the old days. 

It's not a bad place for information, but the best information provided is "the pulse." If one wishes to get the overall pulse of angry conservatives who believe liberals have absolutely no sense at all and are the stupidest people on earth, this is the place to come.

In many ways it's like attending a pep rally. Most people feel the same way and they tend to feed on each others' emotions. Good provided everyone keeps their head on straight and doesn't start looking for the koolaid. 

Advocating against illegal conduct such as illegal entry into the country is quite appropriate. It's obviously a very credible posiiton. But some comments focus a bit too negatively on different cultures and ethnicities in the US regardless of legal status, with the discussions getting downright unseemly. BLBV lacks cred when that happens, but I guess it's how some people feel. 

Without question, some libs are idiots and some conservatives are too. While it can be fun, demonizing or marginalizing the opposition does not move the ball forward. It may be emotionally cathartic, but I question how effectively it changes minds. Like preaching to the choir, which can feel good but gives a false sense of accomplishment .

It is not true that all views are respected here, but given that an expressed aim of BVBL is to "drive liberals insane," this should not come as a surprise to anyone. While some liberals attempt debate on this board, there really is no point in their doing so. It's like attending someone else's pep rally.

Overall, BVBL is what it purports to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a general open thread comment about BVBL:</p>
<p>What I enjoy about BVBL is that folks let it hang out. Some are mature and prudent, others are childish, a few are downright mean. The vast majority are in earnest. BVBL provides a good place for people to vent, like going down to the corner store in the old days. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a bad place for information, but the best information provided is &#8220;the pulse.&#8221; If one wishes to get the overall pulse of angry conservatives who believe liberals have absolutely no sense at all and are the stupidest people on earth, this is the place to come.</p>
<p>In many ways it&#8217;s like attending a pep rally. Most people feel the same way and they tend to feed on each others&#8217; emotions. Good provided everyone keeps their head on straight and doesn&#8217;t start looking for the koolaid. </p>
<p>Advocating against illegal conduct such as illegal entry into the country is quite appropriate. It&#8217;s obviously a very credible posiiton. But some comments focus a bit too negatively on different cultures and ethnicities in the US regardless of legal status, with the discussions getting downright unseemly. BLBV lacks cred when that happens, but I guess it&#8217;s how some people feel. </p>
<p>Without question, some libs are idiots and some conservatives are too. While it can be fun, demonizing or marginalizing the opposition does not move the ball forward. It may be emotionally cathartic, but I question how effectively it changes minds. Like preaching to the choir, which can feel good but gives a false sense of accomplishment .</p>
<p>It is not true that all views are respected here, but given that an expressed aim of BVBL is to &#8220;drive liberals insane,&#8221; this should not come as a surprise to anyone. While some liberals attempt debate on this board, there really is no point in their doing so. It&#8217;s like attending someone else&#8217;s pep rally.</p>
<p>Overall, BVBL is what it purports to be.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HWA, if you're talking about going back to an appointed School Board, think again...we already went through that here in the County.  At least an elected School Board has some obligation to the electorate/parents.  An appointed board has absolutely none, and it shows.  You really don't want to go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HWA, if you&#8217;re talking about going back to an appointed School Board, think again&#8230;we already went through that here in the County.  At least an elected School Board has some obligation to the electorate/parents.  An appointed board has absolutely none, and it shows.  You really don&#8217;t want to go there.</p>
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		<title>By: Here we are!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Here we are!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we need to go back to a Volunteer as School Board Member. Get some one who really wants to do something. Volunteers and get rid of  the paid elected.  We can save some money also.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheetah said on 15 Feb 2009 at 12:02 am: Flag comment 

dportm,

that link was pretty crazy. who does fernandez think he is? another bill clinton, MLK, etc..hitting the la talk circuit and such. he cant be too smart or courageous when he cannot do a simple task like file for a building permit when people do it properly every day.


It's no wonder that Maywood is a sanctuary city with Tio Felipe as it mayor. Could we expect anything different by a place being run by Latinos?

(Gaudencio Fernandez arrives from Manassas, Virginia (via Washington D.C.). Olin Tezcatlipoca and Nelyollotl Toltecatl greet him and drive him to Maywood.  Maywood is a sanctuary city, a city that does not terrorize undocumented Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people) migrants.)

To read that article you would think that the KKK rode through Manassas town, sic, every night throwing firebombs at signs and generally causing havoc.  Found it fascinating that Fernandez was taken to a sanctuary city.  Is it because he is an illegal and needed the support from his amigos?  The guy is a complete ass and hope the judge throws the book at him on Wednesday (if, of course, the case against him doesn't once again get postponed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheetah said on 15 Feb 2009 at 12:02 am: Flag comment </p>
<p>dportm,</p>
<p>that link was pretty crazy. who does fernandez think he is? another bill clinton, MLK, etc..hitting the la talk circuit and such. he cant be too smart or courageous when he cannot do a simple task like file for a building permit when people do it properly every day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder that Maywood is a sanctuary city with Tio Felipe as it mayor. Could we expect anything different by a place being run by Latinos?</p>
<p>(Gaudencio Fernandez arrives from Manassas, Virginia (via Washington D.C.). Olin Tezcatlipoca and Nelyollotl Toltecatl greet him and drive him to Maywood.  Maywood is a sanctuary city, a city that does not terrorize undocumented Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people) migrants.)</p>
<p>To read that article you would think that the KKK rode through Manassas town, sic, every night throwing firebombs at signs and generally causing havoc.  Found it fascinating that Fernandez was taken to a sanctuary city.  Is it because he is an illegal and needed the support from his amigos?  The guy is a complete ass and hope the judge throws the book at him on Wednesday (if, of course, the case against him doesn&#8217;t once again get postponed.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
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		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked the link out as well and, either the specifics of that wall and surrounding events were edited by Mexica or, more likely, Fernandez was a bit embarrassed to relate the actual facts.  Among others, he said that the wall was fire-bombed and he certainly didn't say anything about how that house required demolition in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the link out as well and, either the specifics of that wall and surrounding events were edited by Mexica or, more likely, Fernandez was a bit embarrassed to relate the actual facts.  Among others, he said that the wall was fire-bombed and he certainly didn&#8217;t say anything about how that house required demolition in the first place.</p>
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