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	<title>Comments on: Gaudencio Fernandez: Just Who&#8217;s The Racist?</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/</link>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-90888</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaudencio Fernandez is a man no one should trust and I should know because he was married to my mother years ago which is why he is legal might I add. He lived in Newburgh New York for many years before moving to Virginia. He believes in domestic violence which I have seen first hand growing up due to my mother going to the hospital many times because of him. I seen how he screwed people over and  over and he is only intrested in money. One of the reasons why he left Newburgh was due to him being sued by someone who trusted him. Don't believe for one moment that his motives are for the latino population. His motives are only to benefit himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaudencio Fernandez is a man no one should trust and I should know because he was married to my mother years ago which is why he is legal might I add. He lived in Newburgh New York for many years before moving to Virginia. He believes in domestic violence which I have seen first hand growing up due to my mother going to the hospital many times because of him. I seen how he screwed people over and  over and he is only intrested in money. One of the reasons why he left Newburgh was due to him being sued by someone who trusted him. Don&#8217;t believe for one moment that his motives are for the latino population. His motives are only to benefit himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-83033</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-83033</guid>
		<description>After 9/11 we had the perfect opportunity to shut down our borders but our conservative president did not do this.  This would have been done for national security and there would have been very few voices of protest.  We squandered this opportunity and went to war in Iraq.  

I am conservative by nature but often vote for Democrats because the Republicans just look out for big business.  The only Republican that is truly Conservative is Ron Paul and he is treated like a joke.  He makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 9/11 we had the perfect opportunity to shut down our borders but our conservative president did not do this.  This would have been done for national security and there would have been very few voices of protest.  We squandered this opportunity and went to war in Iraq.  </p>
<p>I am conservative by nature but often vote for Democrats because the Republicans just look out for big business.  The only Republican that is truly Conservative is Ron Paul and he is treated like a joke.  He makes sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81887</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81887</guid>
		<description>"Don’t believe for a second that this is about “immigrant rights”. Mr. Fernandez cares about making money."

Both the illegal alien and his employer have one thing in common: They care only about making money, without regard for the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t believe for a second that this is about “immigrant rights”. Mr. Fernandez cares about making money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both the illegal alien and his employer have one thing in common: They care only about making money, without regard for the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in PWC</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81854</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in PWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81854</guid>
		<description>The property owner should be billed for all the court time expended at the hearing on the 24th.

I wonder what other properties he owns that have "zoning" issues?  I wonder if he's behind on his property taxes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The property owner should be billed for all the court time expended at the hearing on the 24th.</p>
<p>I wonder what other properties he owns that have &#8220;zoning&#8221; issues?  I wonder if he&#8217;s behind on his property taxes?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81853</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81853</guid>
		<description>es_la_ley said on 18 Feb 2009 at 6:46 pm: Flag comment 

Liberty Street Wall comes down.

Yes, it came down but he is still playing  cat and mouse with the system. HA HA I took the sign down so you have no case.  Why did the judge postpone the case  until 24 March?  The judge should have settled the matter today and been done with it.  What is it costing the city everytime there is a postponement?  It's costing don Quixote nothing.

We can now add el zorro to his nicknames!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>es_la_ley said on 18 Feb 2009 at 6:46 pm: Flag comment </p>
<p>Liberty Street Wall comes down.</p>
<p>Yes, it came down but he is still playing  cat and mouse with the system. HA HA I took the sign down so you have no case.  Why did the judge postpone the case  until 24 March?  The judge should have settled the matter today and been done with it.  What is it costing the city everytime there is a postponement?  It&#8217;s costing don Quixote nothing.</p>
<p>We can now add el zorro to his nicknames!</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81848</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81848</guid>
		<description>"The City needs to seize that property …. eminent domain.
That will take care of his little cat and mouse games."

Under any other circumstances, I would be against it. However, when the property in question is a clear public nuisance, and is having a measurably detrimental effect on the City, then I would agree with the action in this case. I compare this to the abandoned building that is frequently used by crack-heads. The City must expend disproportionate service resources to deal with the issue. Therefore, seize it. In the case of Mr. Fenandez, he has cost the City a great deal of time and money, dealing with this reindeer games. The sign has had a detrimental effect on the old town historic district, which the city is trying to promote. Mr. Fernandez wants to put up an office bulding on the site, but the property is zoned residential. He is trying to bully the city into rezoning the property. Don't believe for a second that this is about "immigrant rights". Mr. Fernandez cares about making money. When his overcrowded flophouse burned, he collected the insurance, but continued to see dollar signs. He could have rebuilt a residential structure, and turned it inot a bed and breakfast with a dining room. There are very successful ones operating in Clifton and elsewhere, in areas that don't have half the attraction as Old Town Manassas. Lord knows Old Town could use an alternative to "Ye Old Towne Inn". Had he chosen this route, the City would be throwing tax incentives at him, instead of legal proceedings. But Mr. Fernandez is not a smart man. Not a reasonable man. He wants to "swing for the fences" and put up a piece of commercial realestate to rival Morias Place, or the new building going up at the corner of Grant and Church.

Notice how the orignal structure "burned" right about the same time that Manassas announced the B3.5 initiative? He wanted to cash in on that. Problem is, the area is zoned residential, not mixed use.

So, to all of you ignorantly socialist liberals with hairy armpits (men and women), sporting your chic Che' gear who are so ignorant as to believe that Mr. Fernandez has any concern about the plight of the immigrant person of the Latino persuasion, I would suggest that you check your premise. It doesn't add up.  However, when you do a little research regarding Mr. Fernandez and his interactions with the City of Manassas, you can see his motive clearly.

A little park, situated next to the Manassas Museum would be a very nice addition to the Cityscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The City needs to seize that property …. eminent domain.<br />
That will take care of his little cat and mouse games.&#8221;</p>
<p>Under any other circumstances, I would be against it. However, when the property in question is a clear public nuisance, and is having a measurably detrimental effect on the City, then I would agree with the action in this case. I compare this to the abandoned building that is frequently used by crack-heads. The City must expend disproportionate service resources to deal with the issue. Therefore, seize it. In the case of Mr. Fenandez, he has cost the City a great deal of time and money, dealing with this reindeer games. The sign has had a detrimental effect on the old town historic district, which the city is trying to promote. Mr. Fernandez wants to put up an office bulding on the site, but the property is zoned residential. He is trying to bully the city into rezoning the property. Don&#8217;t believe for a second that this is about &#8220;immigrant rights&#8221;. Mr. Fernandez cares about making money. When his overcrowded flophouse burned, he collected the insurance, but continued to see dollar signs. He could have rebuilt a residential structure, and turned it inot a bed and breakfast with a dining room. There are very successful ones operating in Clifton and elsewhere, in areas that don&#8217;t have half the attraction as Old Town Manassas. Lord knows Old Town could use an alternative to &#8220;Ye Old Towne Inn&#8221;. Had he chosen this route, the City would be throwing tax incentives at him, instead of legal proceedings. But Mr. Fernandez is not a smart man. Not a reasonable man. He wants to &#8220;swing for the fences&#8221; and put up a piece of commercial realestate to rival Morias Place, or the new building going up at the corner of Grant and Church.</p>
<p>Notice how the orignal structure &#8220;burned&#8221; right about the same time that Manassas announced the B3.5 initiative? He wanted to cash in on that. Problem is, the area is zoned residential, not mixed use.</p>
<p>So, to all of you ignorantly socialist liberals with hairy armpits (men and women), sporting your chic Che&#8217; gear who are so ignorant as to believe that Mr. Fernandez has any concern about the plight of the immigrant person of the Latino persuasion, I would suggest that you check your premise. It doesn&#8217;t add up.  However, when you do a little research regarding Mr. Fernandez and his interactions with the City of Manassas, you can see his motive clearly.</p>
<p>A little park, situated next to the Manassas Museum would be a very nice addition to the Cityscape.</p>
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		<title>By: es_la_ley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81843</link>
		<dc:creator>es_la_ley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81843</guid>
		<description>Liberty Street Wall comes down.

http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/liberty_street_wall_comes_down/30215/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty Street Wall comes down.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/liberty_street_wall_comes_down/30215/" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/liberty_street_wall_comes_down/30215/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fed up</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81835</link>
		<dc:creator>fed up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81835</guid>
		<description>The City needs to seize that property .... eminent domain.  
That will take care of his little cat and mouse games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City needs to seize that property &#8230;. eminent domain.<br />
That will take care of his little cat and mouse games.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81824</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81824</guid>
		<description>John Galt said on 18 Feb 2009 at 8:10 am: Flag comment 

I heard that the wall was being disassembled last night. Is that his play now? 

That appears to be his modus operandi.  Hope the judge hits him with a "stiff" fine and warn him to cease this activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Galt said on 18 Feb 2009 at 8:10 am: Flag comment </p>
<p>I heard that the wall was being disassembled last night. Is that his play now? </p>
<p>That appears to be his modus operandi.  Hope the judge hits him with a &#8220;stiff&#8221; fine and warn him to cease this activity.</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81822</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81822</guid>
		<description>I heard that the wall was being disassembled last night. Is that his play now? 

Put up a wall without a permit, defy a stop work order.

Get a court date, show up, ask for a continuance.

Get a some press and national exposure within the Mexica Movement.

Take the wall down on the evening before your new court date.

Show up for court and tell the judge the wall is gone.

Repeat again and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that the wall was being disassembled last night. Is that his play now? </p>
<p>Put up a wall without a permit, defy a stop work order.</p>
<p>Get a court date, show up, ask for a continuance.</p>
<p>Get a some press and national exposure within the Mexica Movement.</p>
<p>Take the wall down on the evening before your new court date.</p>
<p>Show up for court and tell the judge the wall is gone.</p>
<p>Repeat again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81816</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81816</guid>
		<description>"Don Quixote" Fernandez is due in court (with a lawyer?) tomorrow.  It will be interesting to see if he arrives with Pancho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don Quixote&#8221; Fernandez is due in court (with a lawyer?) tomorrow.  It will be interesting to see if he arrives with Pancho.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81810</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81810</guid>
		<description>What??? No more newspapers?   What will I wrap my garbage in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What??? No more newspapers?   What will I wrap my garbage in?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81808</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81808</guid>
		<description>REMEMBER THE ALAMO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REMEMBER THE ALAMO!</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81804</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81804</guid>
		<description>I agree with Mr.  Duecaster on the collateral impact of the sign:

No Silencio Gaudencio!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mr.  Duecaster on the collateral impact of the sign:</p>
<p>No Silencio Gaudencio!</p>
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		<title>By: BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81802</link>
		<dc:creator>BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81802</guid>
		<description>Nice but I would edit it down to about half that length ... it drifts.

You/we could not invent such buffoons to demonstrate what this fight is about.  Can/should HSM make a donation to Fernandez?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice but I would edit it down to about half that length &#8230; it drifts.</p>
<p>You/we could not invent such buffoons to demonstrate what this fight is about.  Can/should HSM make a donation to Fernandez?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert L. Duecaster</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81800</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert L. Duecaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81800</guid>
		<description>I love that sign.  Long may it stand as a fitting tribute to politicians who aided and abetted, or, by their inaction, encouraged the Illegal Invasion.  Frank Wolf, Tim Kaine, and Chuck Colgan should have oversized pictures of their heads mounted above the sign, in a grotesque Rushmore-like caricature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that sign.  Long may it stand as a fitting tribute to politicians who aided and abetted, or, by their inaction, encouraged the Illegal Invasion.  Frank Wolf, Tim Kaine, and Chuck Colgan should have oversized pictures of their heads mounted above the sign, in a grotesque Rushmore-like caricature.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Soldier</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81796</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81796</guid>
		<description>You breathe life into his modest project by caring.  When you stop caring, recognize that he has a right to his opinion, and simply leave the zoning issue to the city...  this sign (and others like it) will simply go away.

Any publicity is good publicity...  and it would appear that you are his principal publicist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You breathe life into his modest project by caring.  When you stop caring, recognize that he has a right to his opinion, and simply leave the zoning issue to the city&#8230;  this sign (and others like it) will simply go away.</p>
<p>Any publicity is good publicity&#8230;  and it would appear that you are his principal publicist.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81795</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81795</guid>
		<description>Wow. Liberals think that this hatred is acceptable because it's against whites. Racism is racism. Let the Mexicas have Kalifornia. Shwartzenegger will never deport them because, God forbid that the government do anything that might appear to be racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Liberals think that this hatred is acceptable because it&#8217;s against whites. Racism is racism. Let the Mexicas have Kalifornia. Shwartzenegger will never deport them because, God forbid that the government do anything that might appear to be racist.</p>
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		<title>By: BattleCat</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81793</link>
		<dc:creator>BattleCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81793</guid>
		<description>And newspapers wonder why they are struggling to survive.  It's too late for them.  Newspapers will never let go of their ultra left-wing agenda to be able to report anything close to the truth.  NBC4 and WTOP both make me sick with their pro-illegal garbage.  None of us are really surprised, as journalism died a while ago anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And newspapers wonder why they are struggling to survive.  It&#8217;s too late for them.  Newspapers will never let go of their ultra left-wing agenda to be able to report anything close to the truth.  NBC4 and WTOP both make me sick with their pro-illegal garbage.  None of us are really surprised, as journalism died a while ago anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/02/17/gaudencio-fernandez-just-whos-the-racist/#comment-81792</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is he was speaking in English, not Spanish. This was done more for the media than for the illegals that mostly don't speak English. I noticed the MWB website is all in Spanish now. Not enough Anglo supporters I guess. I watched the intro to yesterday's march coverage. Some scrapes and bruises during a brief struggle with one policeman was introduced as a 'brutal beating by cops', and this was on Fox TV channel 5 no less! This combined with the local paper's report that made Fernandez sound like an innocent victim is making a national mockery of our region. When is truth ever going to be published in the media? The news about Arizona kidnappings, and Montgomery county's change in policy should be forefront in peoples minds. Go to a Wal-Mart late at night, or a Bank of America during the day, and you'll think you've left the country. I just wonder how many are starting to believe the Mexica garbage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is he was speaking in English, not Spanish. This was done more for the media than for the illegals that mostly don&#8217;t speak English. I noticed the MWB website is all in Spanish now. Not enough Anglo supporters I guess. I watched the intro to yesterday&#8217;s march coverage. Some scrapes and bruises during a brief struggle with one policeman was introduced as a &#8216;brutal beating by cops&#8217;, and this was on Fox TV channel 5 no less! This combined with the local paper&#8217;s report that made Fernandez sound like an innocent victim is making a national mockery of our region. When is truth ever going to be published in the media? The news about Arizona kidnappings, and Montgomery county&#8217;s change in policy should be forefront in peoples minds. Go to a Wal-Mart late at night, or a Bank of America during the day, and you&#8217;ll think you&#8217;ve left the country. I just wonder how many are starting to believe the Mexica garbage?</p>
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