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Brookings Institute Ponies Up A Whopper

By Greg L | 26 February 2009 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 69 Comments

WTOP is reporting this morning that the Brookings Institution, a liberal DC think-tank, has published a report saying that Prince William County’s crackdown on illegal immigration was wrong, and that in order to promote economic recovery, we should abandon efforts to reduce the number of illegal aliens unlawfully present in the county and instead welcome them.  Not only was this debate settled nearly two years ago with no interest at the time from Brookings, but the only research Brookings apparently conducted was reviewing reports from the mainstream media, such as the Washington Post.

Utter garbage.  The last thing Prince William County needs is to return to rampant residential overcrowding by illegal aliens who drive without licenses, commit identity fraud, burden local hostpitals without paying for the services they receive, and in too many cases sexually abuse children as young as four years old.  If Brookings thinks having a lot of illegal aliens is such a good idea, why aren’t they defending them in Montgomery County, Maryland where there is a current debate about how to deal with the impacts of illegal immigration?

Most likely, they can’t.  No surprise.

UPDATE: The report itself includes some utterly amazing liberal spin.  Here’s a sample:

Community leaders and residents successfully organized to pressure county government to crack down on illegal immigration. Passed without a public hearing or sufficient investigation of the potential consequences, the new legislation ordered police to check residency status of lawbreakers and enter into a cooperative agreement with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It also mandated the denial of business licenses and certain county social services to unauthorized immigrants.

“Without a public hearing?”  You’ve got to be kidding me.  What in the heck were some of the longest and most heavily-attended meetings of the Board of Supervisors, some including as much as thirteen straight hours of citizen comments?  This was the most heavily debated issue the county ever engaged in, and that debate lasted from the end of June all the way to October 2007, and then was revisited once again in 2008.  By the standards of the Brookings Institution then, we have never debated any policy, ever, in Prince William County, as nothing in the county’s history has ever involved such a great degree of public participation.

They aren’t just confused, the authors of this report are outright liars.



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69 Comments

  1. John Galt said on 26 Feb 2009 at 9:37 am:
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    I had a professor in college, who was neither liberal or conservative in his views. You could tell by way he taught. During a discussion, a student referenced made a point, and referenced a Brookings Institute study as supporting his point. The professor looked right at him and said, “I too have read the study, and you have cited it correctly as stated in the report. However, the study was flawed, and if you had read study X Y & Z from organizations A B and C, you would come to this same conclusion. Try to scratch a little deeper next time..”

  2. Advocator said on 26 Feb 2009 at 9:52 am:
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    The report is correct in one finding: that [PWC had] “an unprepared local government.” No local government should have to prepare itself for a foreign invasion. That’s the responsibility of the federal government, which conveniently ignored the invasion, for its own purpose. Not even the districts’ representative at the federal level, Congressman Frank Wolf, raised any warnings about the ultimate deleterious effects of the invasion.

  3. BattleCat said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:08 am:
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    So it’s a little like asking the “residents” of crackhouse about legalizing crack.

  4. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:14 am:
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    Well, all substance of this particular report and its subject aside, I get the feeling that Brookings and other think tanks consist entirely of people who contemplate their belly buttons. I’ve always been shocked that you can actually get paid to do that. What a racket they’ve got, heh heh.

  5. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:26 am:
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    Cory Stewart and the entire board of supervisors should contact the “institute” for clarification on their remarks and request a written retraction to their eroneous statement that no public hearings were held. These people should be renamed the Brookings Institution for the Mentally Challenged. They must live on another planet!

  6. Ali Ahmad said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:38 am:
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    Nobody from Prince William County government- not from the BOCS- not from the CXO’s office- not Communications- nor the County Attorney- nor Neighborhood Services were contacted personally in regards to this report.

    Not even the courtesy of a heads up prior to its release. We only found out about it after the Kojo Nnande show invited Corey Stewart to be a guest.

  7. Advocator said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:45 am:
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    What else would you expect from liberals, Ali? Next, they’ll be calling Corey a coward for “failing to respond” to their requests for comment. I hope Corey told Kojo to pound sand.

  8. TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:50 am:
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    1. Put “Nancy Lyall and Brookings Institution” in your browser.

    2. Click

    3. William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution pops up

    4. Priceless!

  9. Johnson said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:50 am:
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    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

    …and awaaaaaay we go!

  10. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 11:31 am:
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    The loons at the anti site will be all over this - they can add it to their distortions that the Resolution was responsible for the foreclosure crisis in the county. Alanna has been on a rant against anyone who challenges her on this for the past day or so.

  11. DPortM said on 26 Feb 2009 at 11:35 am:
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    Anonymous - she was probably behind the Brookings report. She uses any avenue she can to disparage our County and Supervisors (except Nohe, the turncoat, who conspires with her behind the backs of the other supervisors, to whittle away at our resolution a little at a time)

  12. Tyler Durden said on 26 Feb 2009 at 11:39 am:
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    Actually, the report sounds more like Ms. Lie-all’s work. Some of it is word for word from her posts.

  13. DPortM said on 26 Feb 2009 at 11:41 am:
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    Johnson and other NRA members, you better buy those weapons now… see Johnson’s link above.

  14. Dr. Hfuhruhurr said on 26 Feb 2009 at 11:56 am:
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    How many of the report’s authors live in PWC and how many live in Arlington, Alexandria, or Monkey Co? Where the illegals have been migrating thanks to PWC’s resolution? Why should they get stuck with the illegals?

    It’s not fair. /s

  15. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 12:04 pm:
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    Nah - Alanna apparently has been threatened with a lawsuit - she has much bigger fish to fry right now. Apparently someone who got banned from her website doesn’t like it and is fighting back. Should be very interesting.

  16. Cynic said on 26 Feb 2009 at 12:20 pm:
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    Mr. Johnson,

    Why would we need assault rifles? We certainly would not need them to defend ourselves against the docile illegals - unless we lived close to our southern border or we were a Law Enforcement Officer in South Carolina, or were out for a walk in a culturally diverse neighborhood. Besides, taxpaying citizens should be at their place of work, earning more, so that they can pay more in taxes. Under no circumstances, can we afford to jeopardize the lifestyle that our “came here to work sector”
    enjoys, can we?

    BTW, does it not warm your heart to know that the apologists for illegals and Home Land Security are up in arms over a raid on the illegals in Washington State.

    I am sure that such reports in the Washington Times, Conservative websites, blogs, and Talk Radio about the attack on a Law Enforcement Officer in South Caroling, the lawsuit against Sanctuary status (Denver and San Francisco), the favorable treatment of illegals when they are apprehended, and all the favorable treatment they receive in general (help with their mortgages, medical services, and lawsuits against citizens etc), does upset their supporting apologists who would prefer that the public be kept in the dark on these facts.

  17. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 12:35 pm:
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    Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.

    That is the reason we should NOT ban the weapon in the U.S. It probably won’t be long before the violence spreads across the border (along with more illegals) and a .9mm won’t be of much use for defense.

  18. Cynic said on 26 Feb 2009 at 1:20 pm:
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    Anonymous and others,

    About how many weapons do you think that this proposed, new ban will prevent from flowing into Mexico?

    Would zero (0) be too low an estimate?

    The violence has already spread into the US and the illegals are still coming here.

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform - just another word for Amnesty. After Amnesty is passed, be prepared for the results - Chain Migration by the millions.

  19. TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 26 Feb 2009 at 1:22 pm:
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    The American Immigration Control Foundation/Americans for Immigration Control is a hate group?

    Unreal

    http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp#s=VA

  20. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 1:59 pm:
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    TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 26 Feb 2009 at 1:22 pm: Flag comment

    The American Immigration Control Foundation/Americans for Immigration Control is a hate group?

    Unreal

    The Southern Poverty Law Center apparently forgot to include themselves. They are a radical pro-illegal-open borders group. It used to have some credence many years ago but now it is run by a bunch of left-wing wackos.

  21. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 26 Feb 2009 at 2:03 pm:
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    I just took a quick read through … this report TRIES to be fair in parts, it does have a lot of truth in it that’s usually not stated as clearly. 31 times more ESOL students between 1990 and 2006 …

    But the conclusion is hogwash for sure, and the attempt to link the mortgage crisis to the Rule of Law is an obvious leap of faith.

    In the end opinions are like you-know-whats, whether it’s Joe Blow or some clown writing reports for the Brookings Institute.

  22. me-n-u said on 26 Feb 2009 at 3:07 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 12:04 pm: Flag comment
    “Nah - Alanna apparently has been threatened with a lawsuit -”

    Tell us more!

    ALSO-
    In all fairness the county did hear 100″s of people speak on this issue, but it was not officially a public hearing. How the resolution was introduced is no different than any other ordinance the county comes up with, except the people that are against the resolution are just pissed that they couldn’t mount a defense before the resolution came out.

  23. Johnson said on 26 Feb 2009 at 3:15 pm:
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    It was only a matter of time. Napolitano will curtail enforcement and direct ICE to start investigating employers. By the time ICE is ready to start making arrests, reform (amnesty) will be on the table. This really sucks. There’s nothing more disheartening than being told to stand down from your job for political reasons. It’s just horsesh!t.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/26/raid-on-immigrants-alarms-obama-backers/

  24. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 3:23 pm:
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    According to Alanna on her blog, a user that has been banned is threatening her with a lawsuit.

    See the last 3 or 4 posts near the bottom!

    Let’s hope it comes to pass, and we all should support this person as best as we can! We can all hope it will finally bring out the truth and shut them up.

  25. Johnson said on 26 Feb 2009 at 3:39 pm:
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    I would be more than happy to hand each and every deported (forced or self) illegal alien a rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition as they depart the U.S. for their homeland and remind them of how we won our independance. There are 110 million Mexicans, give or take. With the 30 or so million that would be rejoining them, that should be more than enough fighters to replace the utterly corrupt government.

    Or, decriminalize drugs. We can keep that money in the U.S. and watch the Mexican government collapse as it’s real source of revenue dries up and blows away.

    Or both.

  26. citizenofmanassas said on 26 Feb 2009 at 4:36 pm:
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    According to people who do not live in the County, the County should open arms and welcome child rapists, murderers and other criminal types? Yup, that sounds like a way to build a community.

  27. freedom said on 26 Feb 2009 at 4:49 pm:
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    Well, you can save your breath (or fingers, in this case) amnesty for all illegals in this country is coming, and it’s coming soon, as soon as they can get some of these pent-up liberal goals that have been held in the shadows for so long, passed into law. Can’t you see it? It means votes; it means more power.

    There’s absolutely nothing we can do about it now. The stimulus bill that just passed Congress and the President signed gives money to La Raza. It’s obvious that either the voting public is just totally unaware and doesn’t recognize what’s going on in our country or they don’t care; which is it? Actually, it doesn’t matter, I guess….the end result will be the same. :(

  28. anonymous said on 26 Feb 2009 at 7:33 pm:
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    “Yup, that sounds like a way to build a community.”

    That sounds like a way to cause social dysfunction, which allows liberalism to flourish.

  29. Red, White and Blue said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:03 pm:
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    Where is the fairness doctrine? Hell, they need a Truth Doctrine! Liberals lie. Liberals always lie. Liberals will continue to lie and lying is what they do best. They want the fabric of America to change from a world power to a turd world power with a socialist (or worse) dictator.

    Now just think how much better we would be if we listened to the Booring Institution?

    A round of Kumbayha please followed by We Are The World.

  30. NoVA Scout said on 26 Feb 2009 at 10:17 pm:
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    What a radical liberal notion - that one has a legally cognizable right to put up comments on a blog. That one will last about 30 seconds in court.

  31. Cheetah said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:38 am:
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    it’s been tried before (a lawsuit for not being allowed to post) and every one I’m familiar with has failed.

    i find those fools distasteful as much as anyone, but if anything they exist to provide us with endless avenues of written entertainment for sure, especially when they stick their foots in their mouths (after they have finished their donuts of course)

  32. Bridget said on 27 Feb 2009 at 6:43 am:
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    Esam Omeish is “back like a bad penny” and running for office this time:

    http://europenews.dk/en/node/19923

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024897.php

  33. Anonymous said on 27 Feb 2009 at 7:14 am:
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    Johnson said on 26 Feb 2009 at 3:39 pm: Flag comment

    I would be more than happy to hand each and every deported (forced or self) illegal alien a rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition as they depart the U.S. for their homeland and remind them of how we won our independance.

    That would be great but do you really think they have the will or the guts to go home and fight. Why do that when they have everything they want here. Three full meals a day, Univision and a roof over their head(s). No need to take a chance on getting hurt. They know their countries are lost causes and it’s just a matter of time for the next revolution to take place that will put people in power more corrupt then the last batch. No, we will never get them out in a peaceful manner (deportation, self or forced.) Look at the group we just elected here.

  34. sandy said on 27 Feb 2009 at 9:57 am:
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    As for the meeting held yesterday ; Brooking meeting. How many members from the Board of Directors of Pot. News,were at that meeting?

  35. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 11:50 am:
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    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/02/27/MN2016651R.DTL

    Holder finally got it right. Now, if we could just decriminalize cocaine and heroin.

  36. just_curious said on 27 Feb 2009 at 12:26 pm:
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    illegals are (hopefully) gonna realize that 90 percent or more of the american population cannot stand them.

    just watch people when they drive by a day laborer site and see the nasty stares people give them (myself included) they are scumbags who deserve nothing less than a quick trip back to their homeland, I repeat..their homeland, not ours.

    This is our country, not theirs. And all those apologists should be deported with them since they love them so much.

  37. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 12:58 pm:
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    Anonymous-
    I agree. When this issue comes before Congress again, our response as a nation needs to be twice as vehemous as in 2006. A resounding “NO!” The Obamamaniacs need a reminder of who runs this country.

  38. Robert L. Duecaster said on 27 Feb 2009 at 12:59 pm:
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    I disagree with you, just_curious. For the day laborers and a large percentage of other illegal aliens, remaining in this country is a matter of survival for themselves and/or their families. No amount of nasty stares and name-calling will goad them into re-immersing themselves in the cesspools that flushed them out and into our country. You’re wasting your time and effort. Save your ire for the do-nothing politicians who enable them to enter this country and remain here with impunity. Politicians like Frank Wolf, who, since 1986 claims a letter to Jorge Bush as his only contribution to keeping out illegal aliens. Politicians like Chuck Colgan, who spreads a lie that many of the illegals are actually storm-drenched Nicaraguan refugees, because they told him so. Politicians like Frank Principi, who campaigns on an anti-illegal alien platform and renegs on it after his election. Politicians at all levels are responsible for allowing this invasion. The invaders are only taking advantage of the situation.

  39. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 1:51 pm:
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    R.L.D.-
    Good point about the politicians, but the illegals must be held accountable. They are fully aware that their status is illegal. Residing here isn’t a matter of survival, it’s a matter of choice. They choose to break our laws, based on greed. None of them fled their third world cesspools because they were starving. They left to make more money and to take advantage of our generosity. They laugh at us, insult our flag, march our streets in protest, demand their “rights” and guilt us into accepting their unlawful, trashy behavior because it is their “culture”. No, thanks! I expect our government to enforce our laws, not bend them to the will of whatever poitical purpose they choose.

  40. Cynic said on 27 Feb 2009 at 1:53 pm:
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    Robert L. Duecaster said on 27 Feb 2009 at 12:59 pm:

    Politicians like Frank Principi, who campaigns on an anti-illegal alien platform and renegs on it after his election.
    Politicians at all levels are responsible for allowing this invasion. The invaders are only taking advantage of the situation.

    A long time ago there was a leader in Spain who thoroughly understood the dynamics of what you have so accurately conveyed in your above post.

    His succinct comment was: Our regime is based on bayonets and blood, not on hypocritical elections.

    Some American scholars have translated or stated his pronouncement in this manner: Rather to power by bayonets and blood than through the corruption of the ballot box.

    Perhaps the Generalissimo (Francisco Franco Bahamonde) had a point!

  41. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 1:55 pm:
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    Go Joe!

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/135997

  42. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:03 pm:
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    http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2009-02-26/article/32335?headline=City-Alarmed-by-Impounding-of-Cars-Owned-By-Illegal-Immigrants

    Man, if we had this law, the illegals would fight to get out of Virginia!

  43. citizenofmanassas said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:17 pm:
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    Johnson,

    Why stop at drugs, lets decriminalize murder.

  44. citizenofmanassas said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:19 pm:
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    OK, maybe my batteries need to be changed regarding the post by Johnson saying we need to decriminalize drugs.

  45. just_curious said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:20 pm:
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    Robert,

    I can dream cant i :)

    I have e-mailed and wrote many politicians in the county, some responded but as expected I’ve neither recieved e-mail nor return snail mail from principi’s office regarding his stance on illegal immigration.

    since He appears to not want to respond (unless your a fat, donut eating anti-chick) I would suspect he’s pro-illegal alien (or just lazy)

  46. Robert L. Duecaster said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:47 pm:
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    Good job, Just C. Keep up the pressure, even if he doesn’t answer, especially if you’re a constituent of his. If not, contact anyone you know who is and get them to put on the pressure.

    My point is, one has only so much energy to expend in any effort. Conserve it and use it where it does the most good. Glaring at the illegals takes energy from where it should be directed. That’s why I don’t bother with answering the vile invectives of the bagel biting Haymarket Harpies.

  47. Robert L. Duecaster said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:53 pm:
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    I’ve got to disagree to some extent with you, also, Johnson. Some of these folks are here to avoid starvation, or at least malnutrition. I’ve witnessed myself it in places like Guatamala and Honduras. But as long as the corrupt power brokers of those countries know they can count on “el Norte” to accept those whom they refuse to provide for, they will continue sending them here.

  48. me-n-u said on 27 Feb 2009 at 3:25 pm:
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    Yes, we can feel sorry for them, but America was founded on the basis of the rule of law. They broke the law getting here no matter how you look at it. And we cannot keep taking in the worlds poor.

    We are losing our country. We need to take action ANY time we are asked to, whether it is locally or nationally.

    Most of those “men” at the day labor sites are not really looking for work. They are there to socialize and drink beer. How many are going to be picked up in the late afternoon and the evening?

  49. Cynic said on 27 Feb 2009 at 4:02 pm:
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    me-n-u said on 27 Feb 2009 at 3:25 pm:

    Most of those “men” at the day labor sites are not really looking for work. They are there to socialize and drink beer. How many are going to be picked up in the late afternoon and the evening?

    LOL. Picked up by whom - contractors or women?

    Hope your comment about losing our country is to some degree accurate. Under that scenario, we still have a chance to save it. Some are saying that we have already lost our Country.

  50. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 4:44 pm:
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    R.L.D.-
    Granted.

  51. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 4:47 pm:
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    citizenofmanassas-
    Bearing in mind that I have been in law enforcement for the majority of my adult life, look at the drug problem from a fiscal point of view. How much are we spending to stem the flow of illegal drugs into our country? Is it working? Our prisons are full of drug offenders. Where does all the money go? Drug Cartels and terrorists. We are financing our own destruction. We lost the drug war years ago. If we take the money out of circulation, we hurt the bad guys. They will have to find other finances.

  52. Anonymous said on 27 Feb 2009 at 5:45 pm:
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    Johnson said on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:03 pm: Flag comment

    http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2009-02-26/article/32335?headline=City-Alarmed-by-Impounding-of-Cars-Owned-By-Illegal-Immigrants

    Man, if we had this law, the illegals would fight to get out of Virginia!

    The only thing you would see during the flight would be a trail of Taco remnants all the way to Monkey county. :)

  53. just_curious said on 27 Feb 2009 at 6:08 pm:
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    so true,

    it’s pretty bad down south, and I truly feel for them. but to be honest, there is poverty in the world and we cant be giving handouts to everyone until we have straightened out our own country.

    if the harpies want to give handouts so much, why dont they give them? I bet they dont give a single dime to anyone.

  54. Cynic said on 27 Feb 2009 at 9:06 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    What do you mean by “trail of Taco remnants all the way to Monkey county.”?

    Please be aware that our ‘conservative’ Governor is supporting a bill, now making its way through our General Assembly, to require that only those legally in the Country can obtain a Maryland driver’s license. Am sure that this support of the bill by our Governor is very traumatic to not only the illegals, but also their liberal supporters.

    But, if the illegals get their amnesty, passing the bill will mean nothing. That is what I think the illegals and their supporters are counting on - getting amnesty from the current U.S. Congress.

  55. me-n-u said on 27 Feb 2009 at 10:27 pm:
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    Cynic, it still has to be voted on by your liberal elected officials. Do you really think that is going to happen?

    And it only took eight years after 9-11 for them to try and do this? Wow, forward thinking Maryland!

    Help Save Maryland and the illegal alien murders have put this issue on the front page. I really wish you all the best of luck in this. Keep the pressure on!

  56. Cynic said on 27 Feb 2009 at 11:29 pm:
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    Update - Fact: Police Rescind Good Samaritan’s Ticket

    me-n-u - Thanks. We will need all the luck and help we can get.

    Not my policy to communicate with elected officials, but I did on these two issues - the drivers license and In-State Tuition for illegals.
    If I have not mentioned it before - I am opposed to them - also illegal aliens, those who hired them, and the traitor politicians who foisted this disaster upon us.

  57. citizenofmanassas said on 27 Feb 2009 at 11:33 pm:
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    Johnson,

    There will always be a black market for goods, legal or otherwise.

    We have become too soft on crime. Lets bring back the chain gangs, and poor prison conditions.

    Jail sentences for just about any crime does not seem much of a deterrent, but we still sentence people.

  58. Johnson said on 28 Feb 2009 at 10:48 am:
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    Agreed that there will always be a black market. It would be interesting to see how many people stop/start using illicit narcotics if they are decriminalized. We can certainly look to the Prohibition era as a model. My point is that removing the illegalities to some extent will reduce the value of illicit narcotics to the point that they won’t be profitable enough to prop up governments or influence politicians. Imagine what would happen to the health care industry if prescriptions were no longer necessary in the U.S. The problem with drugs is that there is too much money involved, hence the corruption and violence.

  59. Black Saint said on 28 Feb 2009 at 12:09 pm:
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    Both parties have not only ignored our Constitution most have aided and abide in subverting it and the rule of Law. The massive Illegal Aliens invasion under mines both Article IV section IV of our Constitution against invasion and the rule of Law. Many if not most of our politicians should be arrested, given an fast but fair hearing then an public execution for treason!

  60. me-n-u said on 28 Feb 2009 at 3:31 pm:
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    Johnson I totally disagree with you on legalizing drugs. I think if that happens it will be easier for younger and younger kids to get ahold of them. Look at alcohol and cigarettes. Young people use them all of the time. They are legal but still illegal if you are under age.

    I think legalizing drugs is telling our nation that they aren’t really bad for you. And I would bet my salary that more people will use them, not less.

  61. citizenofmanassas said on 28 Feb 2009 at 11:06 pm:
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    Johnson,

    That is a hard question to answer regarding how many might start to use drugs if they were legal to use. However, I’d say the number would go up.

    I just don’t see how making cocaine and other harder type drugs legal is a net plus for the Country.

  62. Johnson said on 1 Mar 2009 at 11:17 am:
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    Citizen-Taking our money back from our enemies is the net plus. The Taliban grows poppies and processes heroin to finance terrorism worldwide. Chavez’s Venezuela, Mexico and several other drug producing/transit countries would collapse politically. Mexico’s drug war would run out of steam. The money is the key.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2b0b8bd405048e19f36fa896834ca058.eb1&show_article=1

  63. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Mar 2009 at 4:01 pm:
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    I don’t think we would take much money from the drug dealers and we would in turn have to spend an untold amount of money on rehab, and other costs associated having those drugs legalized.

    Cigarettes are still sold on the black market. Alcohol is still sold on the black market. Those drug dealers would just switch business and find something else to make money and would continue to sell drugs without the “tax” on them.

  64. Johnson said on 1 Mar 2009 at 5:00 pm:
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    I don’t want to legalize drugs. I want to see them decriminalized. Possession, manufacture and distribution would remain illegal, but reduced to misdemeanor levels, enough so that they can be seized an destroyed. I am not a stoner nor do I support such behavior. I am not a drinker, nor do I support drunkeness, even though it’s legal for adults. It would be interesting to see what contraband the drug dealers would turn to.

  65. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Mar 2009 at 8:18 pm:
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    Johnson,

    How would your plan work? There would still be a market for drugs, which means there would still be drug dealers and gangs.

  66. Johnson said on 2 Mar 2009 at 8:28 pm:
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    I still think that decriminalizing drugs would remove enough profit from the sale of them to destabilize the market for them. Yes, there would still be a market. There will always be gangs of criminals who commit crimes to make money. Decriminalizing drugs would make it that much harder for criminals and terrorists to finance their activities.

    An interesting aside-drug abusers would be denied a driver’s license, insurance or registration of a car until they could prove that they were clean for, say, 90 days. Indemnify employers from lawsuits involving discrimination for refusing to hire dopers.

  67. citizenofmanassas said on 2 Mar 2009 at 10:39 pm:
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    Unless we can remove the drug gangs completely, I see no reason to “decriminalize” anything. The cost to society would be too great.

  68. Johnson said on 3 Mar 2009 at 7:58 am:
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    Agree to disagree. But, we need to do something. Our current efforts are not working. Illegal drugs are the scourge of our planet, destroying us and entire countries from within.

  69. citizenofmanassas said on 3 Mar 2009 at 11:31 am:
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    Johnson,

    What is not working is letting people off the hook with a slap on the wrist. If we made buying, selling, taking etc drugs such a risk, I’d venture to say there would be less of it. However, there are too many liberal judges, DA’s etc that want to take it easy on people and as a result, there are too many people willing to take the chance to make money because they realize the penalty of being caught is pretty low.

    Midnight express(I think that is the name of the movie) shows what tough drug laws and penalties will do. Do you think little Johnny is going to try drugs if he realizes he will spend the rest of his life in jail if caught?

    Making them legal or decriminalizing is not going to make it less likely people are going to not OD on them, not going to improve the health of addicts. That is where the social and medical costs come into it.

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