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“Deaf Ears” in PWC

By Greg L | 9 March 2009 | Crime, Prince William County | 34 Comments

Guest post by “Hazegray”

Although I am admittedly not a great fan of the Washington Post, the page 1 story in the March 9th issue: “Girls Cries For Help ‘Fell on Deaf Ears’” cries out for justice, and an accounting by PWC authorities — police, social services and school officials — of their continued inaction. It recounts the story of how a young 13-year-old Prince William County schoolgirl, Alexis “Lexie” Agyepong-Glover, was apparently routinely and systematically abused by her mother over a two (2) year period before being found dead in a creek on January 9th. Reportedly, her school bus driver and school bus attendant reported the mother routinely forced her daughter into the trunk of her car, and there were signs of physical abuse on the child; neighbors found the girl in her neighborhood wearing only a barbecue grill cover, and the girl was apparently terrified of her “mother,” Alfreeda Gregg-Glover.

I won’t repeat the whole article except one telling quote: “Prince William police Maj. Ray Colgan said police would have taken action if they had found Lexie to be in danger.” Really? As a father and grandfather, I would hope Maj. Colgan is never responsible for again taking any action to help a child, because he – and the rest of the county – failed miserably in this instance. Now the BOS “asked the Virginia Department of Social Services to review the county’s response” – in other words, stall and wait for the heat to die down. Lots of people knew, and neighbors tried to do the right thing…. now is the time for the rest of us to chime in and keep the pressure on the county officials. Until this is resolved, and those responsible are held accountable, this will be a gruesome stain on the reputation Prince William County.



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34 Comments

  1. Tillie said on 9 Mar 2009 at 3:41 pm:
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    This is a heart wrenching story. Almost unbelievable that it went on and on the way it did. That so many warnings and alerts about the abuse could go unheeded is beyond belief.

    The frustration of those who kept on warning the authorities, without any action being taken, must have made them sick.

    It is a HORROR STORY.

  2. Anonymous said on 9 Mar 2009 at 3:49 pm:
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    I am suprised the sheriff and the police did not reconize the abuse and do something about it.

    If the sheriff and police notified social services and social services did nothing about it there were other routes the sheriff and police could have taken to get this child help.

  3. John Galt said on 9 Mar 2009 at 4:15 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    Let’s not turn this into a “bash Hill” thread again…ok? To whom did the bus driver and bus attendent report this to? the school? The police? DSS? Where there actionable reports or complaints made to the authorities previously, and if so, what was the result? Was their clear evidence of abuse, such as injuries, malnutrition, etc. ? To whom did the neighbors report the suspected abuse to? These are the types of questions that need to be asked.

    I am not saying that the system worked here. What I am saying is it’s easy to view things in hindsight, and cast a lot of blame in every direction. In this case, I suspect that there will be plenty to go around.

  4. Anonymous said on 9 Mar 2009 at 4:43 pm:
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    I have never “bashed” Hill. The sheriff’s office was most likely the last ones to take Lexie back to her abusive mother.

    This was taken from a story in the News & Messenger on Jan. 10.

    But a week ago, while hanging with his buddies in his basement, he gained firsthand knowledge of her condition.

    Alexis—who wore wristband with a radio transmitter that tracked her—had come through his unlocked door and lay down in his living room, unbeknownst to Seaman.

    He discovered her after getting a call from the Prince William County Sheriff’s Office stating that Alexis’ wristband was emitting signals from his property. The wristband was put in place by the office’s Project Rescue program after Alexis had run away on several occasions.

    “I saw that she was scared in my living room when the sheriff’s came in,” Seaman said. “She was terrified, hiding underneath my Christmas tree.”

  5. AWCheney said on 9 Mar 2009 at 5:48 pm:
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    Must be a different “Anonymous,” Mr. Galt.

  6. Hazegray said on 9 Mar 2009 at 7:21 pm:
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    In response to John Galt, the bus driver and attendant made a report to their dispatcher, school principal and a written report to the police. There were later reports of possible physical abuse to the school and the PWC Department of Social Services. Since the article is on the WaPo website, I’d suggest you read and decide for yourself.

    I will comment that there was a similar case to this in Alexandria City a few years back (a younger girl was removed from foster care and sent back to live with her mother, where she subsequently died), and the Director of Social Services eventually lost her job. However, the residents of that City made an issue of the whole thing….

  7. KFD said on 9 Mar 2009 at 8:31 pm:
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    Stories like these are the reason why I had to leave the public school classroom. I felt helpless and heartbroken all the time at the lack of action by social service agencies. I did not teach in Prince William, but I’m sure that such agencies work similarly across the state and beyond. At one point during my teaching days one of my students was being neglected and abused and had suggested that she was also being sexually abused by her mom’s live-in boyfriend. She was a cutter and she had attempted suicide twice. (Cutting isn’t a suicide attempt, but she happened to be both a cutter and suicidal). I repeatedly reported to social services, as I was bound to do by law as a teacher, but nothing ever came of it. I was constantly frustrated and always followed up with them. I was always told that the situation was reflective of the lifestyle of the child and her parents, and not anything social services could touch. I was often made to feel “guilty” as if I was trying to impose MY “morals” on others.
    When she reported her second suicide attempt to me I stayed after school with her awaiting her mother’s arrival to take her to the mental health facility, as was standard procedure with such a report. The mother never showed. The police were notified, but they were not allowed to transport a child without parental permission. School policy said that only a parent or police could transport after a suicide attempt. (Each agency had written policies that were inconsistent in expectation from agency to agency). As a result, there she and I sat. Finally, against the instructions of my principal, I took her myself. Hours later her mother showed up and took her home.
    When I asked why she was released to the mother whose behavior had caused the suicide attempt, I was told that the suicide attempt was “normal” behavior for a child in her circumstances, and not a sign of mental instability. I was further told, as an example to aid in my understanding of the procedures, that if MY child attempted suicide then she would have been admitted and not released to me because a suicide attempt while living under my roof would not have been a normal reaction to life and would have signified a problem. Because this girl had such a horrible life, it was “normal”.
    I stopped teaching at the end of that school year.
    That student had a baby the following school year at 14. She is now a drug addict, raising herself and her child, bound to repeat the problems of her own youth.
    Our society has serious problems that stem from all sorts of public school and social services failures. It starts with a refusal to take care of children based on our hesitance to “force our moral code” on others. It ends in teen pregnancy, drug addiction, high school drop out rates, welfare dependance, and in the most extreme cases, death.
    Others could help; voters, volunteers, role models, social workers, teachers, private schools, religious organizations and community groups, etc. Few people want to be involved with those who society has left to fend for themselves.
    The story of this dead girl is heartbreaking, and we should all be asking ourselves, as well as our officials, what should we all have done? What could we have done? We are all to blame.

  8. Anonymous said on 9 Mar 2009 at 9:56 pm:
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    This is what happens in a society that cherishes individual rights over adherence to basic rules and regulations. It’s the liberal ways that prevents society from taking action where action should be taken less we tread on someone’s civil rights. I think society needs to be sent to boot camp to learn some discipline.

  9. Good Tine Charlie said on 10 Mar 2009 at 1:03 am:
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    My past experience with DSS led me to believe there were confused people conducting abuse investigations. Responsible parents who disiplined their children by spanking for serious behavior incidents would find themselves facing criminal charges. While households run by parent(s) that were unwilling to properly give day to day care to their children, remain sober, stay employed, or have the mental capacity to provide basic needs, knowingly maintain an abusive environment, and just not give a damn were investigated and face “recommendations” to help foster a safe environment by offering guidance for child raising.

    I couldn’t tell you why DSS investigations had so many head-scratching results. The street level law enforcement response usually alerted DSS personnel to potential problems or reports of abuse that did not allow for an immediate arrest to occur. But children were always returned to parents who would not supervise them after law enforcement would take these kids from the home while trying to find a parent responsible for their safety.

    It appeared that responsible parents who cared for their children went before a judge while parents who should be jailed were given opportunities to care instead of answer for conduct that should have been defined as criminal.

  10. fed up said on 10 Mar 2009 at 6:41 am:
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    This country is so a$$ backwards….thanks largely to the mental disorder of the dems.

  11. TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 10 Mar 2009 at 7:07 am:
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    If we were talking about “Alfred Gregg-Glover” a male - this would be a very different story.

    The poor child would be alive today.

    Women (mothers, single mothers and foster mothers) are held to a different standard because they have breasts and don’t walk around with a ding-a-ling between their legs.

    The Family Court System, aka as feminazi central, on a daily basis destroys families and the lives of biological and adopted children because their benchmark is almost always - what’s in the best interest of a child is with the female caregiver (mom, foster mom etc.). Anything different or questions thereof of a females parenting ability these to be proven far beyond any leagal standard in all other court proceedings.

  12. KFD said on 10 Mar 2009 at 8:10 am:
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    SwimInstructor, Are you the same blog patron who called Sara Palin a “tard breader”? If not, you should meet him and y’all move away together to a secluded island. IF you had ANY valid point buried in that rant, you lost it with your offensive, sexist and vulgar lack of basic descentcy. You are definitely not a part of the solution that our countries’ families need. I hope you aren’t a parent.

  13. Jon Wright said on 10 Mar 2009 at 9:31 am:
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    Sorry Folks….

    This is a horribly sad case with plenty of blame to go around….But it’s all about the dollars. Virginia is 47th in the nation in spending government funds on mental illness and child protective services. You get what you will or will not pay for. Take a good look in the mirror. Are you willing to pay for more effective mental health and child protective services? Guess not. Who closed the two youth group homes in Prince William? Want more effective DSS enforcement? Hire more employees instead of sacking the ones you have. Face it. Until Virginia’s citizens demand that sick people and children are adequately protected , you will see more tragic events like these.

  14. John Galt said on 10 Mar 2009 at 3:20 pm:
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    “This is what happens in a society that cherishes individual rights over adherence to basic rules and regulations. It’s the liberal ways that prevents society from taking action where action should be taken less we tread on someone’s civil rights. I think society needs to be sent to boot camp to learn some discipline.”

    I have a problem with this statement. Do not blame a society that cherishes individual civil rights, and then say that liberals are to blame. This statement doesn’t pass the logical sniff-test. Conservatives want individual rights to be protected, and resist the tendency of “nanny-state” government to dictate how we raise our children. Liberals want the government to dictate everything, including how we raise our children. What is missing from this argument? PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY!!!!

    Please remember who is the accused here: The adoptive mother of this child. Not the Sheriff. Not the PWCPD. Not the PWCDSS. Everyone is looking to blame these government instituions for failing this child, many who claim to be conservatives. In doing so, you are making the liberal argument: Government is the answer. Give up your rights, and let the benevolant government take care of you and your children. Let us tell you what to eat, and what your children can eat. Let us tell you how you can discipline your children. Let us tell your children what to think…on and on and on. Parental responsibility, and parental accountability have been both voluntarily and involuntarily erroded. That is the goal of the liberal agenda. Benevolant tyranny. Permanent infantilism. Kid out of control? Blame the video games, and not the parent who bought them. You shouldn’t own a gun. You should call 911 and the police will protect you. Have gratuitous sex and if you get pregnant, get an abortion, or better yet, go on welfare. We are the Government, and we are here to save you from yourself.

    This is indeed a tragedy. Perhaps it could have been prevented. Many tragedies could have. But every day you hear about a parent who just snapped and killed their kids. How about that murder-suicide last month out in California. Father, with the consent of the mother, kills the entire family and then himself. Why? they both got laid off, and had a mountain of debt. Who is to blame? Their employer? The credit card company? No. The parent who pulled the trigger.

    Think conservatives. Think. Government is not the answer to our problems. We are. Along with individual rights, comes individual responsibility and individual accountability. Government institutions will fail at some critical point. They always do. The police won’t get there in time to stop the crime in progress. The schools will not provide for the educational needs of each and every child. FEMA won’t be there for every person who didn’t exercise common sense and evacuate before the hurricane, or local civil authorities won’t make the evacuation call in time. Stop blaming the institutions here, and fix the blame where it belongs…on the mother. Society will take action against her…in the form of justice. Really, in the end, that is the only thing government can really claim to have full responsibility of. Adjudication of the accused. Incarceration of the guilty. That is the right of civil authority. Don’t give civil authority anymore power than that, or else you risk freedom and liberty.

  15. Anonymous said on 10 Mar 2009 at 3:44 pm:
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    That’s right, just turn your head when you see a child being misteated and abused. When the child is maimed or killed by a parent, justice will prevail and the parent will probably be found guilty. The child is dead and the parent will serve a short time in a mental institution and then be released. The child is still DEAD!

  16. John Galt said on 10 Mar 2009 at 4:45 pm:
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    I am not saying that society bears no responsibility to report abuse, in cases where there is clearly abuse. However, when relying on government institutions, be prepared to have them fail you, and when they do, don’t blame them, balme yourself for trusting that government is the answer. No? It’s easier to balme the Police. It’s easier to blame the schools. It’s easier to blame the DSS. It’s easier to blame the family court judges. It’s easier to blame the adopton agencies. It’s easier to balme the foster system.

    How about this? Let’s blame our societal collective selves for allowing government to become the parent to us all….it frees us from all responsibility.

  17. Hazegray said on 10 Mar 2009 at 5:24 pm:
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    Jon Wright, you’re wrong….read former teacher KFD’s coments. Simply giving more money without accountability won’t solve the problem. In Alexandria, the child was removed from a loving adoptive familiy and sent back to live with her bilogical mother and her live-in boyfirend, where she was subsequently killed. In that case, the DHS Director lost her job. KFD said it best:
    ” It starts with a refusal to take care of children based on our hesitance to “force our moral code” on others. It ends in teen pregnancy, drug addiction, high school drop out rates, welfare dependance, and in the most extreme cases, death.”

    When I grew up in Northern Virginia, there was a term for this behavior: “trash.” It had nothing to do with income, and everything to do with character. Perhaps we ought to start using it again where appropriate…..

  18. Anonymous said on 10 Mar 2009 at 6:12 pm:
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    John Galt ,

    You are looking at this through rose colored glasses, everyone is responsible, so therefore we only have to be responsible for ourselves. We don’t live in that can of world.

    There are abusive people out there and the sheriff and police are trained to reconize signs of abuse. How this sliped by both agencies and social services is a shame.

  19. KFD said on 10 Mar 2009 at 7:32 pm:
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    This isn’t a matter of the government being “the answer” or about too little funding. Neither this case, nor the one I told or the multiple others I didn’t tell, were the result of too few social service workers or too little money. A decision was made in each case; a wrong decision that failed the kids. Adopting or endorsing a hands-off approach because it isn’t the government’s responsibility wouldn’t help these kids. Throwing more money at the system without consistent expectations for proper parenting and acceptable standards of conduct wouldn’t help these kids.
    What WOULD help kids is a society that outlines baseline standards and uses them to assist people in making better decisions for themselves and their children. For those of us lucky/blessed enough to be born into families who taught and inforced acceptable societal behaviors, these things come naturally. For people who are born to teen mothers in urban areas, etc, the skills and concepts are as foreign as their lifestyles are to us.
    My students used to tease me that I acted like a TV character. They didn’t think I was real. Sometimes I would sit there and think to myself, “What if I was 13 and I went home to my 28 yr old mom who wasn’t home because she was out selling her body, and on the way to the house I passed hecklers and drug pushers who would shoot and kill me if I didn’t fight with them each weekend to prove my loyality to my neighborhood? What if, when I got up to go to school, I found out that my best friend was stabbed to death in the night. Then I walked into a classroom and my teacher told me about American History, dividing fractions and what my life could be in the future? How would that mean ANYTHING to me? What if I confided in my teacher, because she told me she cared and that her life wasn’t off TV, but that it was real and didn’t involve violence and drugs, and so I told her that my brother was going to fight to the death after school with a rival gang member and that I was afraid to stay in my home because of my step-father? What if my teacher asked social services to help me, and instead of helping they called my mom, informed her of the complaint that I had made, and said they would send a counselor to the house to help us discuss our issues?”
    Social services needs to get real about the reality of these situations and not return children to situations that will NEVER give them a decent future or any fighting chance. WE, those who know the right way, need to actively work to show those who don’t. Instead, we pull away and isolate ourselves and our children.
    Many nights as I left my school I would pass by the night school kids in their classes. Night school was the step between the general classroom and alternative school. These kids had been expelled for the year, but not categorized for alternative educational settings. They were marched in the building by a drill sergeant of a teacher, made to remove hats, to stand silently and to always have shirts tucked in neatly. ALL appropriate conduct was expected and maintained, and the teacher took a lot of time to teach the kids about how their behaviors impacted their chances for success.
    I always wondered why we didn’t hold these standards for each child in the building EVERYDAY. Why do we send our kids to school, let them behave however because we are respecting their individuality, and then when that failure on our parts to instill in them appropriate conduct leads them down the path to expulsion, we suddenly rush in with all these regimented expectations that should have been there all along. Had they been, many of those kids wouldn’t have been expelled in the first place.
    I realize I’ve strayed from the focus of abusive parents, but my point is that any one or more of these kids that I’ve described could be pulled out of the ranks as an example and in just a few years they ARE the parents that we are discussing here. It’s a cycle that can only be broken by a redefinition of what is and isn’t acceptable conduct in the public schools, and what values we expect our public schools to teach our kids (or reinforce in the case of kids who come from strong families).
    Each day that we, the taxpayers, spend money to send our kids to public schools is a day that we, the taxpayers, should expect our schools to arm kids with the skills that will assist them in leading stable, law abiding lives.
    Opportunity for positive change lives and dies in the hands of our public schools. We have to demand that the schools stop cheating kids out of their opportunity to learn positive life skills and citizenship under the guise of “respect for individual rights”.
    This is a matter of commitment, not funding, and as such is not in opposition to conservative beliefs, as was suggested by John.

  20. John Galt said on 11 Mar 2009 at 6:42 am:
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    “It’s a cycle that can only be broken by a redefinition of what is and isn’t acceptable conduct in the public schools, and what values we expect our public schools to teach our kids (or reinforce in the case of kids who come from strong families).”

    First, Parents need to reassert control over the schools. As we have seen in PWC, when faced with a parents vs. teacher’s union scenario, it is more often the teacher’s union who wins in the struggle. They are the ones who are driving all the multi-culti garbage and perpetuating mediocrity. Parents are guilty of allowing it to happen. They are too busy dealing with work and other things, and trust in the schools to raise their children. There is a reason that homeschoolers and those who attend private schools, tend to be better equipped for success in adulthood.

    Second, Parents need to set the example. They can’t allow their children to succumb to the liberal brainwashing of pop-culture. One example if the “hip-hop” culture that is drving attitudes among children in suburban public schools. This is a culture that glorifies mediocrity. The music. The clothes. Sometimes I just want to hold up a mirror and say to this kid: “I am the owner of a company. Do you think I would hire someone who dresses, speaks and acts like you?” The pressure to conform to societal norms is great for kids and teens. No problem if the “societal norm” is determined by well-adjusted parents. Big problem if it is set by liberal popular culture. Look at the “Brats” line of dolls, formerly marketed by Mattel. Liberal, pop culture society is trying to sexualize girls as young as 3. Sad. Girls are pressured by other girls and boys to send sexual pictures to others via the internet and cellphone. These things get passed around like lighting, scandalizing these girls. Social networking sites like MySpace have redifined the term “friend”, and the pressure to push the envelop is always there for teens.

    Folks, we are in a state of societal decline, driven by a liberal/secular agenda. It is up to us, not the government to fix this. Government institutions are prone to fail. When they do, we have tragedies like the death of this little girl.

  21. KFD said on 11 Mar 2009 at 7:37 am:
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    John, Although I disagree, or don’t exactly agree with some of your examples, I certainly think we share the bottom line. Parents must reinvest themselves in their children, and I certainly see the same kinds of disturbing behaviors from “normal” parents that you have cited above. Bratz and Sponge Bob have never been allowed in my home and I’m very unpopular. My 15 yr old doesn’t have a cellphone. BOO HISS!! I’ve heard all the stupid excuses that parents with whom I’m friends give, and I just smile. Their kids are involved in all sorts of things that are normal today, as you said.
    My child would also be involved if she had access, which is why she does not.
    I’d love to talk about private schools, but I will save that for another day’s discussion!

  22. KFD said on 11 Mar 2009 at 8:05 am:
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    Hazee- Thanks for bringing us this important opportunity to raise awareness about the importance of kids who are falling through the cracks.

  23. Jon Wright said on 11 Mar 2009 at 1:37 pm:
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    Hazee-

    We are still 47th in the country in spending on mental health. Got that? 47th…Only three states are more backward than the Commonwealth in treatment of our sick and needy citizens. Call the CSB up and see if they have adequate funds for the needs out there. Sure hope no one you know needs help.

  24. Hazegray said on 11 Mar 2009 at 2:59 pm:
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    And THANK YOU, KFD, for bringing all this into far sharper focus than this debating society might otherwise reach!

  25. Citizen12 said on 12 Mar 2009 at 7:40 am:
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    From the U.K…..

    People in positions of power are promoting the view that the role of the children’s social worker is to support families and provides services for those in need. In recent years social services departments have been re-focusing services from child protection to family support. The new organisational frameworks being put in place by the Every Child Matters agenda aims to develop a needs-led approach but this has been associated with a loss of clarity and focus on child protection matters.
    http://www.radical.org.uk/barefoot/scandal.htm

    The justice system seems to go lighter on criminal actions when placed in the “family problems / social services” category. When crimes are committed within a “family unit” repeat offenders get multiple chances to prove they are undeserving of second chances. This conveys the message to the perpetrator that -we are here to help you overcome your dysfunction. But to the victim it conveys the message - we support your abuser.

  26. KFD said on 12 Mar 2009 at 7:52 am:
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    So sad. Aggressors are more important than victims. This view is taken in order to try and decrease the numbers of foster families, etc that are needed to run the system. This lightens the financial burden, but fails kids.

  27. Jon Wright said on 12 Mar 2009 at 5:05 pm:
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    Hazee-
    No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!

  28. Anonymous said on 13 Mar 2009 at 9:37 am:
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    Jon Wright said on 12 Mar 2009 at 5:05 pm: Flag comment

    Hazee-
    No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!

    But the Gov’ner has money for preschool preschool. It is nothing but state paid childcare. Money that could be better utilized such as mental health, etc.

  29. T Andrews said on 14 Mar 2009 at 3:46 pm:
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    The overarching problem remains in this country that one can kill another person and plea it down to manslaughter and serve 7 years with 2 off for good behavior, but Bernie Madoff faces 150 years in prison. Not excusing Madoff’s crimes but until we begin to value life in this country as much as we value money these types of things will continue.

  30. Jon Wright said on 14 Mar 2009 at 6:32 pm:
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    T Andrews,

    You got it! When Cho killed everyone at Va. Tech…..the Gov.’s response….Oh! Let’s make sure the the “crazy folks” can’t get guns. Let’s improve the reporting system so the nuts can’t get guns. There are how many guns in circulation in the US? 400 million? So Virginia’s response to the break down in the mental health treatment system is… Let’s make sure the nuts can’t get one of 400 million guns out there! Right, good thinking. The response is simply the CHEAPEST way to explain or try and correct the lack of mental health resources in the state. WE are third from the bottom in mental health expenditures and Kane wants to limit the “evil guns” from the crazies. How about making sure that the sick people get treatment so they won’t want to use the “evil guns” to kill innocent people? Or if they do, the sick people are locked up where they can’t hurt anyone? Uh..OH Sounds expensive!! Let’s not go there. Wouldn’t want to spend any money on the sick people. Look ..personally I hope the victims’ families don’t take any puny 100k settlement. I hope they sue the crap out of the state and make the negligent bastards pay for the unnecessary deaths of their loved ones. If the state mental health folks were doing their jobs, in my opinion, Cho would have been ID as needing significant help long before he went off at VT.

  31. T Andrews said on 15 Mar 2009 at 7:09 am:
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    Jon,

    I agree in that closer scrutiny on the individual in that case may have prevented a tragedy but unfortunately there is no way to predict what any individual sane or otherwise will do in the future. You are correct in that blaming the weapon is an easy explanation for an otherwise inexplicable event. In defense of those who work in the mental health field however, they can only do as much as state laws, regulations, policies and budgets will allow. I’m sure if you asked any one of the individuals, who have dedicated themselves to a career few others of us want to enter they would tell you emphatically that they would love to have more resources, better operating regulations etc. that could allow them to do their job more effectively. I also am a bit uncomfortable deriding an entire department for the actions of one crazed individual. Unfortunately, the outrageous action of one gets all of the ink rather than the success stories that happen on any given day. But then again, good news doesn’t sell any newspapers which comes back to my theme of valueing money more than life.

  32. Karla H said on 15 Mar 2009 at 3:49 pm:
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    I too am no fan of WaPo. I am a big fan of individual rights, freedom, and self determination. But, we do live in a society. We use it for “protection” and “security”. So in this case I absolutely agree with John Galt. This is the fault of each and everyone of us. It is a fault of “our society”. And as conservatives, we must watch out that liberals do not uses cases like this to “take control”. As conservatives we must watch out that liberals don’t use their “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” mantra to remove all our personal freedoms. As conservatives we must clean up our act.

  33. Hazegray said on 16 Mar 2009 at 3:26 pm:
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    “No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!”

    Jon Wright….if it really makes you that “SICK”, you can go north, south or west and be outta Virginia pretty quickly.
    Once upon a time they incarcerated the mentally ill for their own protection, but we decided they were better off freezing to death on city streets — and besides, we spent the money elsewhere, and it is not coming back. Remember, Montgomery County is just a METRO ride away…

    – Hazgray

  34. Jon Wright said on 16 Mar 2009 at 8:22 pm:
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    Hazee-
    The truly sick folks can’t ride your Metro to Montgomery County. Virginia is still 3rd from the bottom in spending. I’d rather stay and fight. Isn’t that what everyone says the illegal aliens should do, “go home and make the changes in their own countries”. Well..I’m staying home and fighting for the sick folks in Virginia who can’t do it for themselves. Like I said, sure hope no one you know needs help someday. But you wouldn’t do anything for them except give them a Metro pass. A real humanitarian….

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