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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Deaf Ears&#8221; in PWC</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/</link>
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		<title>By: Jon Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82681</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82681</guid>
		<description>Hazee-
 The truly sick folks can't ride your Metro to Montgomery County.  Virginia is still 3rd from the bottom in spending. I'd rather stay and fight. Isn't that what everyone says the illegal aliens should do, "go home and make the changes in their own countries". Well..I'm staying home and fighting for the sick folks in Virginia who can't do it for themselves.  Like I said, sure hope no one you know needs help someday. But you wouldn't do anything for them except give them a Metro pass. A real humanitarian....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hazee-<br />
 The truly sick folks can&#8217;t ride your Metro to Montgomery County.  Virginia is still 3rd from the bottom in spending. I&#8217;d rather stay and fight. Isn&#8217;t that what everyone says the illegal aliens should do, &#8220;go home and make the changes in their own countries&#8221;. Well..I&#8217;m staying home and fighting for the sick folks in Virginia who can&#8217;t do it for themselves.  Like I said, sure hope no one you know needs help someday. But you wouldn&#8217;t do anything for them except give them a Metro pass. A real humanitarian&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazegray</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82673</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazegray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82673</guid>
		<description>"No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!"

Jon Wright....if it really makes you that "SICK", you can go north, south or west and be outta Virginia pretty quickly.  
Once upon a time they incarcerated the mentally ill for their own protection, but we decided they were better off freezing to death on city streets -- and besides, we spent the money elsewhere, and it is not coming back. Remember, Montgomery County is just a METRO ride away...

-- Hazgray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!&#8221;</p>
<p>Jon Wright&#8230;.if it really makes you that &#8220;SICK&#8221;, you can go north, south or west and be outta Virginia pretty quickly.<br />
Once upon a time they incarcerated the mentally ill for their own protection, but we decided they were better off freezing to death on city streets &#8212; and besides, we spent the money elsewhere, and it is not coming back. Remember, Montgomery County is just a METRO ride away&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; Hazgray</p>
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		<title>By: Karla H</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82647</link>
		<dc:creator>Karla H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82647</guid>
		<description>I too am no fan of WaPo.  I am a big fan of individual rights, freedom, and self determination.  But, we do live in a society.  We use it for "protection" and "security".  So in this case I absolutely agree with John Galt.  This is the fault of each and everyone of us.  It is a fault of "our society".  And as conservatives, we must watch out that liberals do not uses cases like this to "take control".  As conservatives we must watch out that liberals don't use their "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" mantra to remove all our personal freedoms.  As conservatives we must clean up our act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am no fan of WaPo.  I am a big fan of individual rights, freedom, and self determination.  But, we do live in a society.  We use it for &#8220;protection&#8221; and &#8220;security&#8221;.  So in this case I absolutely agree with John Galt.  This is the fault of each and everyone of us.  It is a fault of &#8220;our society&#8221;.  And as conservatives, we must watch out that liberals do not uses cases like this to &#8220;take control&#8221;.  As conservatives we must watch out that liberals don&#8217;t use their &#8220;from each according to his ability, to each according to his need&#8221; mantra to remove all our personal freedoms.  As conservatives we must clean up our act.</p>
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		<title>By: T Andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82632</link>
		<dc:creator>T Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82632</guid>
		<description>Jon,

   I agree in that closer scrutiny on the individual in that case may have prevented a tragedy but unfortunately there is no way to predict what any individual sane or otherwise will do in the future. You are correct in that blaming the weapon is an easy explanation for an otherwise inexplicable event. In defense of those who work in the mental health field however, they can only do as much as state laws, regulations, policies and budgets will allow. I'm sure if you asked any one of the individuals, who have dedicated themselves to a career few others of us want to enter they would tell you emphatically that they would love to have more resources, better operating regulations etc. that could allow them to do their job more effectively. I also am a bit uncomfortable deriding an entire department for the actions of one crazed individual. Unfortunately, the outrageous action of one gets all of the ink rather than the success stories that happen on any given day. But then again, good news doesn't sell any newspapers which comes back to my theme of valueing money more than life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>   I agree in that closer scrutiny on the individual in that case may have prevented a tragedy but unfortunately there is no way to predict what any individual sane or otherwise will do in the future. You are correct in that blaming the weapon is an easy explanation for an otherwise inexplicable event. In defense of those who work in the mental health field however, they can only do as much as state laws, regulations, policies and budgets will allow. I&#8217;m sure if you asked any one of the individuals, who have dedicated themselves to a career few others of us want to enter they would tell you emphatically that they would love to have more resources, better operating regulations etc. that could allow them to do their job more effectively. I also am a bit uncomfortable deriding an entire department for the actions of one crazed individual. Unfortunately, the outrageous action of one gets all of the ink rather than the success stories that happen on any given day. But then again, good news doesn&#8217;t sell any newspapers which comes back to my theme of valueing money more than life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82629</guid>
		<description>T Andrews,

You got it! When Cho killed everyone at Va. Tech.....the Gov.'s response....Oh! Let's make sure the the "crazy folks" can't get guns. Let's improve the reporting system so the nuts can't get guns. There are how many guns in circulation in the US? 400 million? So Virginia's response to the break down in the mental health treatment system is...  Let's make sure the nuts can't get one of 400 million guns out there! Right, good thinking. The response is simply the CHEAPEST way to explain or try and correct the lack of mental health resources in the state. WE are third from the bottom in mental health expenditures and Kane wants to limit the "evil guns" from the crazies. How about making sure that the sick people get treatment so they won't want to use the "evil guns" to kill innocent people?  Or if they do, the sick people are locked up where they can't hurt anyone? Uh..OH  Sounds expensive!!  Let's not go there. Wouldn't want to spend any money on the sick people.  Look ..personally I hope the victims' families don't take any puny 100k settlement. I hope they sue the crap out of the state and make the negligent bastards pay for the unnecessary deaths of their loved ones. If the state mental health folks were doing their jobs, in my opinion, Cho would have been ID as needing significant help long before he went off at VT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Andrews,</p>
<p>You got it! When Cho killed everyone at Va. Tech&#8230;..the Gov.&#8217;s response&#8230;.Oh! Let&#8217;s make sure the the &#8220;crazy folks&#8221; can&#8217;t get guns. Let&#8217;s improve the reporting system so the nuts can&#8217;t get guns. There are how many guns in circulation in the US? 400 million? So Virginia&#8217;s response to the break down in the mental health treatment system is&#8230;  Let&#8217;s make sure the nuts can&#8217;t get one of 400 million guns out there! Right, good thinking. The response is simply the CHEAPEST way to explain or try and correct the lack of mental health resources in the state. WE are third from the bottom in mental health expenditures and Kane wants to limit the &#8220;evil guns&#8221; from the crazies. How about making sure that the sick people get treatment so they won&#8217;t want to use the &#8220;evil guns&#8221; to kill innocent people?  Or if they do, the sick people are locked up where they can&#8217;t hurt anyone? Uh..OH  Sounds expensive!!  Let&#8217;s not go there. Wouldn&#8217;t want to spend any money on the sick people.  Look ..personally I hope the victims&#8217; families don&#8217;t take any puny 100k settlement. I hope they sue the crap out of the state and make the negligent bastards pay for the unnecessary deaths of their loved ones. If the state mental health folks were doing their jobs, in my opinion, Cho would have been ID as needing significant help long before he went off at VT.</p>
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		<title>By: T Andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82624</link>
		<dc:creator>T Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82624</guid>
		<description>The overarching problem remains in this country that one can kill another person and plea it down to manslaughter and serve 7 years with 2 off for good behavior, but Bernie Madoff faces 150 years in prison. Not excusing Madoff's crimes but until we begin to value life in this country as much as we value money these types of things will continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overarching problem remains in this country that one can kill another person and plea it down to manslaughter and serve 7 years with 2 off for good behavior, but Bernie Madoff faces 150 years in prison. Not excusing Madoff&#8217;s crimes but until we begin to value life in this country as much as we value money these types of things will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82602</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82602</guid>
		<description>Jon Wright said on 12 Mar 2009 at 5:05 pm: Flag comment 

Hazee-
No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!

But the Gov'ner has money for preschool preschool. It is nothing but state paid childcare.  Money that could be better utilized such as mental health, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Wright said on 12 Mar 2009 at 5:05 pm: Flag comment </p>
<p>Hazee-<br />
No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens? 47th…Hazee….47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!</p>
<p>But the Gov&#8217;ner has money for preschool preschool. It is nothing but state paid childcare.  Money that could be better utilized such as mental health, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82588</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82588</guid>
		<description>Hazee-
No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens?  47th...Hazee....47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hazee-<br />
No answer to the fact that Virginia ignores its mentally ill citizens?  47th&#8230;Hazee&#8230;.47th from the bottom in the entire nation. Does it make you PROUD to be a Virginian? It makes me SICK!</p>
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		<title>By: KFD</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82570</link>
		<dc:creator>KFD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82570</guid>
		<description>So sad.  Aggressors are more important than victims.  This view is taken in order to try and decrease the numbers of foster families, etc that are needed to run the system.  This lightens the financial burden, but fails kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sad.  Aggressors are more important than victims.  This view is taken in order to try and decrease the numbers of foster families, etc that are needed to run the system.  This lightens the financial burden, but fails kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen12</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82569</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82569</guid>
		<description>From the U.K.....

People in positions of power are promoting the view that the role of the children's social worker is to support families and provides services for those in need. In recent years social services departments have been re-focusing services from child protection to family support. The new organisational frameworks being put in place by the Every Child Matters agenda aims to develop a needs-led approach but this has been associated with a loss of clarity and focus on child protection matters. 
http://www.radical.org.uk/barefoot/scandal.htm



The justice system seems to go lighter on criminal actions when placed in the "family problems / social services" category. When crimes are committed within a "family unit" repeat offenders get multiple chances to prove they are undeserving of second chances. This conveys the message to the perpetrator that -we are here to help you overcome your dysfunction. But to the victim it conveys the message - we support your abuser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the U.K&#8230;..</p>
<p>People in positions of power are promoting the view that the role of the children&#8217;s social worker is to support families and provides services for those in need. In recent years social services departments have been re-focusing services from child protection to family support. The new organisational frameworks being put in place by the Every Child Matters agenda aims to develop a needs-led approach but this has been associated with a loss of clarity and focus on child protection matters.<br />
<a href="http://www.radical.org.uk/barefoot/scandal.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.radical.org.uk/barefoot/scandal.htm</a></p>
<p>The justice system seems to go lighter on criminal actions when placed in the &#8220;family problems / social services&#8221; category. When crimes are committed within a &#8220;family unit&#8221; repeat offenders get multiple chances to prove they are undeserving of second chances. This conveys the message to the perpetrator that -we are here to help you overcome your dysfunction. But to the victim it conveys the message - we support your abuser.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazegray</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82553</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazegray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82553</guid>
		<description>And THANK YOU, KFD, for bringing all this into far sharper focus than this debating society might otherwise reach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And THANK YOU, KFD, for bringing all this into far sharper focus than this debating society might otherwise reach!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82550</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82550</guid>
		<description>Hazee-

We are still 47th in the country in spending on mental health. Got that?   47th...Only three states are more backward than the Commonwealth in treatment of our sick and needy citizens. Call the CSB up and see if they have adequate funds for the needs out there. Sure hope no one you know needs help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hazee-</p>
<p>We are still 47th in the country in spending on mental health. Got that?   47th&#8230;Only three states are more backward than the Commonwealth in treatment of our sick and needy citizens. Call the CSB up and see if they have adequate funds for the needs out there. Sure hope no one you know needs help.</p>
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		<title>By: KFD</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82532</link>
		<dc:creator>KFD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82532</guid>
		<description>Hazee- Thanks for bringing us this important opportunity to raise awareness about the importance of kids who are falling through the cracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hazee- Thanks for bringing us this important opportunity to raise awareness about the importance of kids who are falling through the cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: KFD</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82531</link>
		<dc:creator>KFD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82531</guid>
		<description>John, Although I disagree, or don't exactly agree with some of your examples, I certainly think we share the bottom line.  Parents must reinvest themselves in their children, and I certainly see the same kinds of disturbing behaviors from "normal" parents that you have cited above.  Bratz and Sponge Bob have never been allowed in my home and I'm very unpopular.  My 15 yr old doesn't have a cellphone.  BOO HISS!! I've heard all the stupid excuses that parents with whom I'm friends give, and I just smile.  Their kids are involved in all sorts of things that are normal today, as you said.  
My child would also be involved if she had access, which is why she does not.  
I'd love to talk about private schools, but I will save that for another day's discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Although I disagree, or don&#8217;t exactly agree with some of your examples, I certainly think we share the bottom line.  Parents must reinvest themselves in their children, and I certainly see the same kinds of disturbing behaviors from &#8220;normal&#8221; parents that you have cited above.  Bratz and Sponge Bob have never been allowed in my home and I&#8217;m very unpopular.  My 15 yr old doesn&#8217;t have a cellphone.  BOO HISS!! I&#8217;ve heard all the stupid excuses that parents with whom I&#8217;m friends give, and I just smile.  Their kids are involved in all sorts of things that are normal today, as you said.<br />
My child would also be involved if she had access, which is why she does not.<br />
I&#8217;d love to talk about private schools, but I will save that for another day&#8217;s discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82530</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82530</guid>
		<description>"It’s a cycle that can only be broken by a redefinition of what is and isn’t acceptable conduct in the public schools, and what values we expect our public schools to teach our kids (or reinforce in the case of kids who come from strong families)."

First, Parents need to reassert control over the schools. As we have seen in PWC, when faced with a parents vs. teacher's union scenario, it is more often the teacher's union who wins in the struggle. They are the ones who are driving all the multi-culti garbage and perpetuating mediocrity. Parents are guilty of allowing it to happen. They are too busy dealing with work and other things, and trust in the schools to raise their children. There is a reason that homeschoolers and those who attend private schools, tend to be better equipped for success in adulthood.

Second, Parents need to set the example. They can't allow their children to succumb to the liberal brainwashing of pop-culture. One example if the "hip-hop" culture that is drving attitudes among children in suburban public schools. This is a culture that glorifies mediocrity. The music. The clothes. Sometimes I just want to hold up a mirror and say to this kid: "I am the owner of a company. Do you think I would hire someone who dresses, speaks and acts like you?" The pressure to conform to societal norms is great for kids and teens. No problem if the "societal norm" is determined by well-adjusted parents. Big problem if it is set by liberal popular culture. Look at the "Brats" line of dolls, formerly marketed by Mattel. Liberal, pop culture society is trying to sexualize girls as young as 3. Sad. Girls are pressured by other girls and boys to send sexual pictures to others via the internet and cellphone. These things get passed around like lighting, scandalizing these girls. Social networking sites like MySpace have redifined the term "friend", and the pressure to push the envelop is always there for teens.

Folks, we are in a state of societal decline, driven by a liberal/secular agenda. It is up to us, not the government to fix this. Government institutions are prone to fail. When they do, we have tragedies like the death of this little girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a cycle that can only be broken by a redefinition of what is and isn’t acceptable conduct in the public schools, and what values we expect our public schools to teach our kids (or reinforce in the case of kids who come from strong families).&#8221;</p>
<p>First, Parents need to reassert control over the schools. As we have seen in PWC, when faced with a parents vs. teacher&#8217;s union scenario, it is more often the teacher&#8217;s union who wins in the struggle. They are the ones who are driving all the multi-culti garbage and perpetuating mediocrity. Parents are guilty of allowing it to happen. They are too busy dealing with work and other things, and trust in the schools to raise their children. There is a reason that homeschoolers and those who attend private schools, tend to be better equipped for success in adulthood.</p>
<p>Second, Parents need to set the example. They can&#8217;t allow their children to succumb to the liberal brainwashing of pop-culture. One example if the &#8220;hip-hop&#8221; culture that is drving attitudes among children in suburban public schools. This is a culture that glorifies mediocrity. The music. The clothes. Sometimes I just want to hold up a mirror and say to this kid: &#8220;I am the owner of a company. Do you think I would hire someone who dresses, speaks and acts like you?&#8221; The pressure to conform to societal norms is great for kids and teens. No problem if the &#8220;societal norm&#8221; is determined by well-adjusted parents. Big problem if it is set by liberal popular culture. Look at the &#8220;Brats&#8221; line of dolls, formerly marketed by Mattel. Liberal, pop culture society is trying to sexualize girls as young as 3. Sad. Girls are pressured by other girls and boys to send sexual pictures to others via the internet and cellphone. These things get passed around like lighting, scandalizing these girls. Social networking sites like MySpace have redifined the term &#8220;friend&#8221;, and the pressure to push the envelop is always there for teens.</p>
<p>Folks, we are in a state of societal decline, driven by a liberal/secular agenda. It is up to us, not the government to fix this. Government institutions are prone to fail. When they do, we have tragedies like the death of this little girl.</p>
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		<title>By: KFD</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82523</link>
		<dc:creator>KFD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn't a matter of the government being "the answer" or about too little funding.  Neither this case, nor the one I told or the multiple others I didn't tell, were the result of too few social service workers or too little money.  A decision was made in each case; a wrong decision that failed the kids.  Adopting or endorsing a hands-off approach because it isn't the government's responsibility wouldn't help these kids.  Throwing more money at the system without consistent expectations for proper parenting and acceptable standards of conduct wouldn't help these kids.  
What WOULD help kids is a society that outlines baseline standards and uses them to assist people in making better decisions for themselves and their children.  For those of us lucky/blessed enough to be born into families who taught and inforced acceptable societal behaviors, these things come naturally.  For people who are born to teen mothers in urban areas, etc, the skills and concepts are as foreign as their lifestyles are to us.  
My students used to tease me that I acted like a TV character.  They didn't think I was real.  Sometimes I would sit there and think to myself, "What if I was 13 and I went home to my 28 yr old mom who wasn't home because she was out selling her body, and on the way to the house I passed hecklers and drug pushers who would shoot and kill me if I didn't fight with them each weekend to prove my loyality to my neighborhood?  What if, when I got up to go to school, I found out that my best friend was stabbed to death in the night.  Then I walked into a classroom and my teacher told me about American History, dividing fractions and what my life could be in the future?  How would that mean ANYTHING to me?  What if I confided in my teacher, because she told me she cared and that her life wasn't off TV, but that it was real and didn't involve violence and drugs, and so I told her that my brother was going to fight to the death after school with a rival gang member and that I was afraid to stay in my home because of my step-father?  What if my teacher asked social services to help me, and instead of helping they called my mom, informed her of the complaint that I had made, and said they would send a counselor to the house to help us discuss our issues?"  
Social services needs to get real about the reality of these situations and not return children to situations that will NEVER give them a decent future or any fighting chance.  WE, those who know the right way, need to actively work to show those who don't.  Instead, we pull away and isolate ourselves and our children.  
Many nights as I left my school I would pass by the night school kids in their classes.  Night school was the step between the general classroom and alternative school.  These kids had been expelled for the year, but not categorized for alternative educational settings.  They were marched in the building by a drill sergeant of a teacher, made to remove hats, to stand silently and to always have shirts tucked in neatly.  ALL appropriate conduct was expected and maintained, and the teacher took a lot of time to teach the kids about how their behaviors impacted their chances for success.   
I always wondered why we didn't hold these standards for each child in the building EVERYDAY.  Why do we send our kids to school, let them behave however because we are respecting their individuality, and then when that failure on our parts to instill in them appropriate conduct leads them down the path to expulsion, we suddenly rush in with all these regimented expectations that should have been there all along.  Had they been, many of those kids wouldn't have been expelled in the first place.  
I realize I've strayed from the focus of abusive parents, but my point is that any one or more of these kids that I've described could be pulled out of the ranks as an example and in just a few years they ARE the parents that we are discussing here.  It's a cycle that can only be broken by a redefinition of what is and isn't acceptable conduct in the public schools, and what values we expect our public schools to teach our kids (or reinforce in the case of kids who come from strong families).  
Each day that we, the taxpayers, spend money to send our kids to public schools is a day that we, the taxpayers, should expect our schools to arm kids with the skills that will assist them in leading stable, law abiding lives.  
Opportunity for positive change lives and dies in the hands of our public schools.  We have to demand that the schools stop cheating kids out of their opportunity to learn positive life skills and citizenship under the guise of "respect for individual rights".  
This is a matter of commitment, not funding, and as such is not in opposition to conservative beliefs, as was suggested by John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a matter of the government being &#8220;the answer&#8221; or about too little funding.  Neither this case, nor the one I told or the multiple others I didn&#8217;t tell, were the result of too few social service workers or too little money.  A decision was made in each case; a wrong decision that failed the kids.  Adopting or endorsing a hands-off approach because it isn&#8217;t the government&#8217;s responsibility wouldn&#8217;t help these kids.  Throwing more money at the system without consistent expectations for proper parenting and acceptable standards of conduct wouldn&#8217;t help these kids.<br />
What WOULD help kids is a society that outlines baseline standards and uses them to assist people in making better decisions for themselves and their children.  For those of us lucky/blessed enough to be born into families who taught and inforced acceptable societal behaviors, these things come naturally.  For people who are born to teen mothers in urban areas, etc, the skills and concepts are as foreign as their lifestyles are to us.<br />
My students used to tease me that I acted like a TV character.  They didn&#8217;t think I was real.  Sometimes I would sit there and think to myself, &#8220;What if I was 13 and I went home to my 28 yr old mom who wasn&#8217;t home because she was out selling her body, and on the way to the house I passed hecklers and drug pushers who would shoot and kill me if I didn&#8217;t fight with them each weekend to prove my loyality to my neighborhood?  What if, when I got up to go to school, I found out that my best friend was stabbed to death in the night.  Then I walked into a classroom and my teacher told me about American History, dividing fractions and what my life could be in the future?  How would that mean ANYTHING to me?  What if I confided in my teacher, because she told me she cared and that her life wasn&#8217;t off TV, but that it was real and didn&#8217;t involve violence and drugs, and so I told her that my brother was going to fight to the death after school with a rival gang member and that I was afraid to stay in my home because of my step-father?  What if my teacher asked social services to help me, and instead of helping they called my mom, informed her of the complaint that I had made, and said they would send a counselor to the house to help us discuss our issues?&#8221;<br />
Social services needs to get real about the reality of these situations and not return children to situations that will NEVER give them a decent future or any fighting chance.  WE, those who know the right way, need to actively work to show those who don&#8217;t.  Instead, we pull away and isolate ourselves and our children.<br />
Many nights as I left my school I would pass by the night school kids in their classes.  Night school was the step between the general classroom and alternative school.  These kids had been expelled for the year, but not categorized for alternative educational settings.  They were marched in the building by a drill sergeant of a teacher, made to remove hats, to stand silently and to always have shirts tucked in neatly.  ALL appropriate conduct was expected and maintained, and the teacher took a lot of time to teach the kids about how their behaviors impacted their chances for success.<br />
I always wondered why we didn&#8217;t hold these standards for each child in the building EVERYDAY.  Why do we send our kids to school, let them behave however because we are respecting their individuality, and then when that failure on our parts to instill in them appropriate conduct leads them down the path to expulsion, we suddenly rush in with all these regimented expectations that should have been there all along.  Had they been, many of those kids wouldn&#8217;t have been expelled in the first place.<br />
I realize I&#8217;ve strayed from the focus of abusive parents, but my point is that any one or more of these kids that I&#8217;ve described could be pulled out of the ranks as an example and in just a few years they ARE the parents that we are discussing here.  It&#8217;s a cycle that can only be broken by a redefinition of what is and isn&#8217;t acceptable conduct in the public schools, and what values we expect our public schools to teach our kids (or reinforce in the case of kids who come from strong families).<br />
Each day that we, the taxpayers, spend money to send our kids to public schools is a day that we, the taxpayers, should expect our schools to arm kids with the skills that will assist them in leading stable, law abiding lives.<br />
Opportunity for positive change lives and dies in the hands of our public schools.  We have to demand that the schools stop cheating kids out of their opportunity to learn positive life skills and citizenship under the guise of &#8220;respect for individual rights&#8221;.<br />
This is a matter of commitment, not funding, and as such is not in opposition to conservative beliefs, as was suggested by John.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82519</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82519</guid>
		<description>John Galt ,

You are looking at this through rose colored glasses, everyone is responsible, so therefore we only have to be responsible for ourselves. We don't live in that can of world.

There are abusive people out there and the sheriff and police are trained to reconize signs of abuse. How this sliped by both agencies and social services is a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Galt ,</p>
<p>You are looking at this through rose colored glasses, everyone is responsible, so therefore we only have to be responsible for ourselves. We don&#8217;t live in that can of world.</p>
<p>There are abusive people out there and the sheriff and police are trained to reconize signs of abuse. How this sliped by both agencies and social services is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazegray</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82518</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazegray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82518</guid>
		<description>Jon Wright, you're wrong....read former teacher KFD's coments.  Simply giving more money without accountability won't solve the problem.  In Alexandria, the child was removed from a loving  adoptive familiy and sent back to live with her bilogical mother and her live-in boyfirend, where she was subsequently killed.  In that case, the DHS Director lost her job.  KFD said it best:
   " It starts with a refusal to take care of children based on our hesitance to “force our moral code” on others. It ends in teen pregnancy, drug addiction, high school drop out rates, welfare dependance, and in the most extreme cases, death."

     When I grew up in Northern Virginia, there was a term for this behavior: "trash."  It had nothing to do with income, and everything to do with character.  Perhaps we ought to start using it again where appropriate.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Wright, you&#8217;re wrong&#8230;.read former teacher KFD&#8217;s coments.  Simply giving more money without accountability won&#8217;t solve the problem.  In Alexandria, the child was removed from a loving  adoptive familiy and sent back to live with her bilogical mother and her live-in boyfirend, where she was subsequently killed.  In that case, the DHS Director lost her job.  KFD said it best:<br />
   &#8221; It starts with a refusal to take care of children based on our hesitance to “force our moral code” on others. It ends in teen pregnancy, drug addiction, high school drop out rates, welfare dependance, and in the most extreme cases, death.&#8221;</p>
<p>     When I grew up in Northern Virginia, there was a term for this behavior: &#8220;trash.&#8221;  It had nothing to do with income, and everything to do with character.  Perhaps we ought to start using it again where appropriate&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82515</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82515</guid>
		<description>I am not saying that society bears no responsibility to report abuse, in cases where there is clearly abuse. However, when relying on government institutions, be prepared to have them fail you, and when they do, don't blame them, balme yourself for trusting that government is the answer. No? It's easier to balme the Police. It's easier to blame the schools. It's easier to blame the DSS. It's easier to blame the family court judges. It's easier to blame the adopton agencies. It's easier to balme the foster system. 

How about this? Let's blame our societal collective selves for allowing government to become the parent to us all....it frees us from all responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying that society bears no responsibility to report abuse, in cases where there is clearly abuse. However, when relying on government institutions, be prepared to have them fail you, and when they do, don&#8217;t blame them, balme yourself for trusting that government is the answer. No? It&#8217;s easier to balme the Police. It&#8217;s easier to blame the schools. It&#8217;s easier to blame the DSS. It&#8217;s easier to blame the family court judges. It&#8217;s easier to blame the adopton agencies. It&#8217;s easier to balme the foster system. </p>
<p>How about this? Let&#8217;s blame our societal collective selves for allowing government to become the parent to us all&#8230;.it frees us from all responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/03/09/deaf-ears-in-pwc/#comment-82512</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right, just turn your head when you see a child being misteated and abused.  When the child is maimed or killed by a parent, justice will prevail and the parent will probably be found guilty.  The child is dead and the parent will serve a short time in a mental institution and then be released.  The child is still DEAD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, just turn your head when you see a child being misteated and abused.  When the child is maimed or killed by a parent, justice will prevail and the parent will probably be found guilty.  The child is dead and the parent will serve a short time in a mental institution and then be released.  The child is still DEAD!</p>
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