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Illegal Alien Sought In Rape Of 5 Year Old

By Greg L | 20 March 2009 | Loudoun County, Illegal Aliens, Crime | 78 Comments

Where have I heard this before?

Police in Leesburg are looking for an illegal Salvadoran immigrant who is wanted for sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl.

Carlos Felipe Centeno, 21, was found partially clothed with the victim, who told police she had been assaulted.

Centeno, 6-foot-1, 220 pounds, may be riding a blue bicycle. Anyone who may know Centeno’s location can contact police at 703-771-4521.

From the sounds of this, it appears the police caught this guy in the act and then for some insane reason decided to let him go.  Unbelievable.



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78 Comments

  1. chucky said on 20 Mar 2009 at 12:22 pm:
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    yep,

    here we go again…our children are not safe to play outside anymore. it’s disgusting these freaking illegals are allowed to roam our streets unchecked and harm our children. All the while the hysterical fat housewives of haymarket say they are only here to work and that we should let these animals stay!

    This is disgusting and sick to have these cockroaches amongst us. the fact they are illegal is even more horrendous because this could all be avoided with proper support of the laws.

  2. Vigilant1 said on 20 Mar 2009 at 12:23 pm:
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    DEJA VOUS ALL OVER AGAIN! When will it stop? The first thing they should do after they catch and book him is to CASTRATE him and send him back to El Salvador.

  3. Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 12:24 pm:
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    Greg L,

    There must be some mistake. Both the NY TIMES and the anti site are absolutely certain that illegals are a totally crime free group!

    “and then for some insane reason decided to let him go. Unbelievable.”

    Reasons for this - one, PC. Two, police know that illegals have more rights then citizens. They probably thought that raping children is one of those rights. And three, the police might fear retaliation from the liberal open borders types and the illegals.

  4. Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 1:22 pm:
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    Urgent request to all,

    Just glanced at the anti site.

    By discussing weapons (rifles and shotguns, etc) we are upsetting some of their regulars. So, being sensitive, bleeding heart, PC person that I am, I am requesting that we refrain from discussing or referring to anything that one might consider a weapon or related to the use of a weapon!
    ……………………………….

    And, back to our crime free illegals.

    Since illegals commit no crimes, who are these people in San Francisco and Denver who are suing these sanctuary city governments for releasing illegals who had already committed crimes and then were released to again commit, allegedly, murder - no less with guns (SF) - and run over and kill customers in an ice cream parlor (D).

    We can’t let the perpetrators of such outrageous lies go unpunished. Can we? No, we must petition Nancy girl as she’ll get the US DOJ to charge these perpetrators with violating the civil rights of the illegals. And, once she does, that should put the perpetrators in their place!

    Thank God, we have a Nancy to protect our precious civil rights!

  5. Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 2:50 pm:
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    There is no indication in any of the news accounts of this that the police had him and then released him. The Post says he was caught with the girl and fled the scene. It does not say the police are who caught him. Where exactly is the evidence for the above suggestion that they let him go?

    Cynic, could you indicate where exactly the Anti group or the New York Times have stated that no illegal immigrants have committed violent crimes? You say they are absolutely certain they are a totally crime-free group. You appear to have extraordinarily selective reading habits.

    Minor note to Vigilant, it’s actually “deju vu,” which means already seen in French. What you have is the nonsensical “deja vous,” or “already you (polite form).” It becomes a tad comical.

  6. Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 2:54 pm:
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    Just discussing deporting illegals upsets the anti’s. Remember, to them all illegals are just here for work and they pay taxes and do other good things. Anything bad said against an illegal on here will upset the anti’s. According to their latest thread - “New Americans Support Immigration Reform”. They say that new American citizens don’t mind letting the illegals jump ahead of the line! Interesting.

    “Alanna the Exaggerator” left out the all important word “Some” in the article she allegedly quoted the headline from! Sure, I believe it when it says “Some” in front of it, but not when that all important adjective is left out.

    Then again, the anti site has never been about truth. It is all about distorting statistics for their benefit. They’ve had some rather infamous statistic distortions recently.

    Anyway, “Alanna the Exaggerator” will keep on exaggerating things to her benefit. Her latest posts say that on here everyone is arming themselves for armageddon - she would have you believe 100% of the posters on bvbl are heavily armed and looking to go out killing!

  7. Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 2:57 pm:
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    Waiting to see how the anti’s are going to spin this one on their site. I know - they’ll say it isn’t just Hispanics and illegals that commit rape. And also keep citing that statistic they trot out that only 1.62% of the crimes are committed by illegals. Should be interesting.

  8. me-n-u said on 20 Mar 2009 at 3:21 pm:
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    Well here ‘ya go!
    U.S. Border Patrol sees ‘whole new element’ coming over
    By Bill Hess
    The Sierra Vista Herald Review (AZ), March 17, 2009
    http://svherald.com/articles/2009/03/17/news/doc49bf4ff7e3b3e357367116.txt

    Tucson, AZ — From Friday to Monday, six illegal immigrants who crossed the border were found to have records for sexual offenses, and five of those were taken into custody in Cochise County.
    And, the Tucson Sector is seeing more individuals who are apprehended with criminal records of all types, U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Mike Scioli said Monday.
    Throughout the sector, ‘we are seeing in increase of illegals with criminal records, especially sex offenders,’ he said.

  9. me-n-u said on 20 Mar 2009 at 3:27 pm:
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    Scroll down and listen to Roy Beck on a radio program.
    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92199

  10. Karla H said on 20 Mar 2009 at 3:49 pm:
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    ” But some in this Mississippi River community of 17,000 best known as Mark Twain’s hometown aren’t just outraged by the violence. They also question why Cazares was in Hannibal at all.

    Cazares admitted after his arrest that he is an illegal immigrant from Mexico. The 32-year-old had several run-ins with law enforcement before the homicides, but officials had never questioned his legal status.

    Now he is charged with two counts of second-degree murder and armed criminal action in the Feb. 28 deaths of his ex-girlfriend, 27-year-old Amanda Thomas, and 25-year-old Carl Patrick Epley. ”

    Geraldo Rivera says, “the crime rate for illegals is lower than that of our legal population.” Geraldo… the crime rate for illegals should be 0… BECAUSE THEY SHOULD NOT BE HERE TO BEGIN WITH!!

  11. anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 4:35 pm:
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    Geraldo Rivera says, “the crime rate for illegals is lower than that of our legal population.”

    That would be true if one assumed that anyone not proven to be an illegal is actually legal, therefore counting all of the illegals who have not had their background vetted as legal.

    I’m sure the crime rate of proven, known illegal aliens is lower than that of our assumed-legal population, and that may well be because when we know they’re illegal, they generally get removed so they can’t commit any further crimes. (Well, at least till they sneak back over the border with a new set of false ID).

  12. Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 5:24 pm:
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    Anonymous stated:

    “Cynic, could you indicate where exactly the Anti group or the New York Times have stated that no illegal immigrants have committed violent crimes? You say they are absolutely certain they are a totally crime-free group.” and,

    “You appear to have extraordinarily selective reading habits.”

    I sure do. So!

    NYT’s Article - just maybe a small degree of poetic license!

    “unauthorized immigrants are not about to destroy anything, not even when they get angry and loud and march in large groups.” And, from someone’s stats. in an above post!

    “And also keep citing that statistic they trot out that only 1.62% of the crimes are committed by illegals. Should be interesting.”

    The anti’s throw that 1.6 crime statistic out there from time to time. Not sure what a statistical test of significance would reveal - significant at what level, but again I’ll go with poetic license.

    Is there anything else that I wrote with which you take issue?

  13. citizenofmanassas said on 20 Mar 2009 at 6:07 pm:
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    Hmm,

    I wonder if the pro child rapists on the other board would allow their children to be alone with these illegals?

    To the victim, one crime is too many committed by an illegal.

  14. Greg Stiel said on 20 Mar 2009 at 6:09 pm:
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    Maybe their right. is this a violent crime?

    Staff
    Published: March 20, 2009

    Police say they took half a million dollars worth of cocaine off the streets with a bust in Woodbridge this morning.

    The Prince William County- Manassas City-Manassas Park Narcotics Task Force arrested two Fredericksburg men and seized 9.9 pounds of cocaine early in Woodbridge, said Prince William Police spokeswoman Erika Hernandez.

    At 12:30 a.m. members of the task force executed a search warrant at 1916 York Drive where they found the cocaine and $11,000 in cash, Hernandez said.

    Police arrested Juan Cruz Reyes, 38, of 5200 Linden Drive and Cesar Anastasio Fuentes-Nunez, 42, of 9425 Laurel Oak Drive and charged them with distribution of cocaine and possession with intent to distribute cocaine, Hernandez said.

    Reyes and Fuentes-Nunez were not at the York Drive address during the execution of the search warrant but were taken into custody later during traffic stop at Occoquan Road near Vineyard Way.

    Hernandez said the arrests were part of a lengthy investigation. Police were aware of the general whereabouts and in possession of other information regarding Reyes and Fuentes-Nunez and were able to find, and quickly arrest them.

    Reyes and Fuentes-Nunez were renting a room at the house on York Drive, Hernandez said.

    Both men were held without bond are scheduled to appear in court on May 4.

    Police estimated the street value of the cocaine at $450,000.

  15. Chicken Little said on 20 Mar 2009 at 6:21 pm:
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    The anti’s won’t post about this or the drug arrest. They don’t blog about anything that goes against what they think, regardless of what Moon Howler says. The crap opinion article from the NYT is proof of that.

    I think it’s funny that Alanna is crying that everyone on BVBL is screaming for anarchy and hoarding weapons to go out and deliver vigilante justice. I also think it’s funny that anyone who disagrees with them is labeled to be in a hate group, according to Shelly B.

  16. Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 6:25 pm:
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    The anti’s won’t care - it isn’t happening in their neighborhoods. And even if they do acknowledge this - they’ll say it is just part of the 1.62% of crimes committed and there are plenty of drug dealers out there that aren’t illegal aliens or Hispanic.

  17. Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 6:26 pm:
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    Anyone who disagrees with Shelly B is automatically a member of a hate group! She’s getting to be the worst of the group over there. What a loudmouth.

  18. Bennett said on 20 Mar 2009 at 7:06 pm:
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    Geez, America has enough American criminals, now we are importing them in.

  19. Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 8:23 pm:
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    Karla H,

    Some additional information on your Mark Twain, Hannibal, Mo. post:

    http://www.hannibal.net/

    http://www.hannibal.net/news_local/x2087806604/Police-say-Hannibal-murder-suspect-admitted-to-double-homicide

    Anonymous, now we have these additional crimes allegedly committed by illegals. So, let’s assume they are found guilty. Will factoring these new crimes into the equation change that 1.62% crime rate statistic?

    And if the statistic does change will the anti site acknowledge this change?

  20. Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 9:38 pm:
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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/20/exclusive-imprisoned-border-guards-speak-out/?page=3

    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/haditha-massacre-marine-finally-cleared-of-all-charges-but/

    Anyone see a pattern here? Conspiracy lives!

    In the fifties under President Eisenhower, I would bet money that these two Border Guards, Mr. Compean and Mr. Ramos would not have been persecuted, excuse me, I mean prosecuted for protecting our borders as they did before they were convicted with bogus, trumped up charges by the PC liberals permeating the US DOJ and all levels of government.

    Had Marine Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani served during WWII and been involved in a similar combat action, he most likely would have earned and merited a medal for what his combat unit accomplished in Iraq. But just like they did to the Border Guards, the PC liberal wimps - embedded in our news media, military, and Defense establishment - went after Lt. Col. Chessani. With Rep. Murtha making false statements of what happen in this Haditha case and talking with high ranking military personnel having influence and jurisdiction in the case, the defense for Lt. Col. Chessani provided convincing evidence that there was Command Influence involved. As far as I know, at every level that the case had been adjudicated, the charges against the Lt. Col. have been dismissed. But still the Government keeps appealing the case, fighting tooth and nail to keep it active. Why?

    And on that great public servant - John Murtha -

    http://www.murtha.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=629&Itemid=1

    and,

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33103_Rescind_John_Murthas_Award_from_the_Navy

    Given that Command Influence

  21. Former Officer said on 21 Mar 2009 at 8:33 am:
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    JHC people. Quit believeing everything just because Greg puts it in print. Such as this:
    “From the sounds of this, it appears the police caught this guy in the act and then for some insane reason decided to let him go. Unbelievable.”

    Can anyone here really be stupid enough to believe the police had this guy in this position and let him go? I don’t know who caught the guy partially clothed with the victim but it was probably a parent or other family member.

    And GREG. Your anti-law enforcement stance continue to show and for that I find it hard to support anything you say or do.

  22. anonymous said on 21 Mar 2009 at 9:41 am:
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    “Your anti-law enforcement stance”

    Which is what, that cops should be held accountable for their actions?

  23. Vigilant1 said on 21 Mar 2009 at 10:59 am:
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    Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2009 at 2:50 pm: Flag comment
    Minor note to Vigilant, it’s actually “deju vu,” which means already seen in French. What you have is the nonsensical “deja vous,” or “already you (polite form).” It becomes a tad comical.

    Thanks Dolph!

  24. Anonymous said on 21 Mar 2009 at 11:07 am:
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    Greg Stiel said on 20 Mar 2009 at 6:09 pm: Flag comment

    Maybe their right. is this a violent crime?

    You neglected to put in the sentence from the article “that the police said the two were in the country legally.”

  25. Anonymous said on 21 Mar 2009 at 11:23 am:
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    Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 9:38 pm: Flag comment
    And on that great public servant - John Murtha -

    Maybe they gave him that award for this video appearance courtesy of the FBI.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2131539854655700584

  26. BattleCat said on 21 Mar 2009 at 11:41 am:
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    Geraldo Rivera says, “the crime rate for illegals is lower than that of our legal population.”

    Hmmm, so if an illegal is illegal, he’s committed a crime….that would put their crime rate at 100%….not sure how you get higher than that!

  27. Former Officer said on 21 Mar 2009 at 12:24 pm:
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    “anonymous said on 21 Mar 2009 at 9:41 am:

    “Your anti-law enforcement stance”

    Which is what, that cops should be held accountable for their actions?”

    I have no problem holding cops accountable when they screw up. Show me the evidence in this case where the police had this suspect then let him go. Greg took what was written and inferred that it was the police when, and I’m willing to bet here, that it was someone else who caught the guy partially clothed.

  28. just_curious said on 21 Mar 2009 at 5:27 pm:
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    dolph has nothing better to do but correct peoples blog entries and stuff her face.

  29. Sanford Horn said on 22 Mar 2009 at 1:59 am:
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    Death penalty - period.

  30. Good Time Charlie said on 22 Mar 2009 at 4:34 am:
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    I would be happy if the vice-nacotics unit in PWC were allowed to work historical cases with “walk away” buy money. Then maybe we would see drug arrests involving amounts that were worth having a unit fighting drug dealing. But that would require having a C.O.P. who felt there was an existing drug problem in his jurisdiction.

  31. NoVA Scout said on 22 Mar 2009 at 9:12 am:
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    Cynic: I have never seen published anywhere, including the NYT, the idea that illegal immigrants don’t commit crimes. Where did you see that? Do you have a link? I submit that you haven’t seen it either, and that you just made it up and said it in a public place for the sheer joy of looking foolish before an audience. Human behavior is at times utterly inexplicable.

    What I have seen enough places to have no doubt as to their validity are data that the rate of crime in the illegal immigrant community is lower than the rate of crime in the legal population. As I’ve said before on this site, that doesn’t mean that illegals are made of stronger moral fiber than the rest of us, but it does probably reflect that when one is living in a country under the radar, particularly when trying to eek out a subsistence existence, one tries not to draw attention to oneself through actions that invite official attention. Nonetheless, whatever the arguments are for getting a grip on immigration (and there are many), they do not include rapine and pillage being widespread among the illegal community.

    There’s also the problem of falling into sloppy thinking about the relationship between crime and status. A lot of Yankee Doodle Dandies commit truly heinous crimes. It would be the rare commentator who would assert or even hint that those crimes were committed because these people are U.S. native-born citizens. The obverse doesn’t make much sense either.

    Most people commenting on this site have committed crimes that are similar in their legal classification to uninspected entry (the violation of coming into this country without having gone through applicable procedures). This is a misdemeanor violation that carries with it civil monetary penalties. Perhaps the penalties should be more severe for uninspected entry. Perhaps the penalties should be more sever for speeding. Virtually all child molesters are illegal speeders (although many evade capture and arrest). If someone who has driven over the speed limit then molests a child, the first reaction is generally not that speeders are given to child molestation and should be castrated - as Vigilant 1 so charmingly suggests should be the result when an illegal immigrant is involved in the same situation (see second comment in the thread).

    The reasons we need immigration reform lie primarily in considerations of border security in an age of terrorism, economic efficiency, promotion of free movements of labor and capital, health and education policy, and protecting against worker exploitation. Criminal behavior, however reprehensible, is a general problem that transcends immigration issues. It’s not very high on the list of reasons that a lot needs to be done to reform the federal system and not a problem that can be effectively solved by focussing on the relatively small illegal immigrant component of the problem.

  32. Anonymous said on 22 Mar 2009 at 9:44 am:
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    NoVA Scout said on 22 Mar 2009 at 9:12 am: Flag comment
    Most people commenting on this site have committed crimes that are similar in their legal classification to uninspected entry (the violation of coming into this country without having gone through applicable procedures).

    Please provide your source for the above assenine comment. Give us your basis for “most people.”

    One thing is for sure, after being castrated for a sexual offense against a child, there will not be a second molestation.

  33. Anonymous said on 22 Mar 2009 at 11:37 am:
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    http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

    Check out this site. It is a long list, a sort of who’s who of kills and rapes by illegal aliens. Don’t know what the answer is. I do know that currently in the news Americans are learning to defend themselves with handguns at a record rate. I wonder what is going to happen to the first of us that shoots dead one of these murderers or baby rapists.

  34. Cynic said on 22 Mar 2009 at 12:06 pm:
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    Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 5:24 pm:

    NoVA Scout, please take a look at the above post which was a response to the post of Anonymous.

    BTW. I agree with Anonymous’s above statement of 22 Mar 2009 at 9:44 am:”Please provide your source for the above assenine comment. Give us your basis for “most people.”.

    Your statement, NoVa Scout:
    “What I have seen enough places to have no doubt as to their validity are data that the rate of crime in the illegal immigrant community is lower than the rate of crime in the legal population.”

    Since you indicated that you “have seen enough places to have no doubt as to their validity”, could you please cite an official source for these data. And, I do not consider the anti site, NYTIMES, or any newspaper, for that matter, an official, legitimate source.

    I have also seen data cited which supports the claim that the illegals represent approximately 30% of the federal prison population. Thirty percent far exceeds the illegals’ representation in the general population. While I will not do it, I know that it would be rather easy to access this prison data and we would, then, know what percentage of the federal prison population consists of illegals.

  35. NoVA Scout said on 22 Mar 2009 at 12:50 pm:
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    Cynic: what was the source of your comment that the NYT says that illegal immigrants are a group that is “totally crime-free”?

    When did the NYT become the “anti site,” BTW? “Anti” as opposed to what? I though most of the print media is fairly liberal.

    I’m travelling this week. When I get back, assuming I have some leisure time, I’ll favor you with some reputable links, given that you are apparently unable to do research on your own.

    Anon 0944: my comment was not on whether castration effectively prevents sex crimes. I assume that it might prevent certain sex offenses, but perhaps not others. But, for purposes of discussion, I’ll assume that it’s totally effective. The question then becomes whether it’s a good idea from a policy standpoint. But the context of the earlier comment was whether there is a link between immigration status (or other non-immigration crimes or misdemeanors) and propensity to commit other kinds of crimes. My suggestion is that the erudite readers of this site not risk their academic reputations by falling into post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies in their approach to immigration policy. I suggest that there are much better reasons to support comprehensive federal immigration reform.

  36. just_curious said on 22 Mar 2009 at 1:50 pm:
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    interesting,

    illegal aliens do commit heinous crimes (as do white people) however in a area congested with illegals you’ll have a lot of crime committed by illegals. that’s not hard to understand is it? the problem here is why the area is congested by illegal aliens, it’s because of our crappy enforcement of the laws. had the current laws been enforced to the letter we would not have the issues we do now. That’s just my .02 cents and the way I see it. I cannot stand illegals, the represent people who have no respect for the law (or respect for anything) if you know you are breaking the law and have no problem with it then you likely would have no problem committing a more serious offense. it’s all a matter of respect and they apparently dont have any.

  37. Cynic said on 22 Mar 2009 at 2:39 pm:
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    When did the NYT become the “anti site,

    NoVa Scout, Why do you ask me? I have no idea as I thought the anti’s have their site and the NYT has its site. If you are referring to my above post where I politely requested that: could you please cite an official source for these data. And, I do not consider the anti site, NYTIMES, or any newspaper, for that matter, an official, legitimate source.

    I have reread the statement. No where does it state that the NYT has become the anti site. Perhaps, there was some immaculate electronic transformation in cyberspace and something different than I wrote posted on your computer!

    Cynic said on 20 Mar 2009 at 5:24 pm: NoVa Scout,

    Did I not direct you to check out my post of March 20, at 5:24 pm. That’s not a source, nor was it meant to be. I think that most readers know that I was using poetic license. Now, if one wants to say that I should not address an issue like illegal immigration so cavalierly since doing so, offends them, then I’ll point out that they are entitled to that position. But, conversely, I’m entitled to mine. And, the first amendment does not say you can only state things that do not offend people. That is, not yet, even in this over-the-top PC society.

    NoVa Scout:

    “I’m travelling this week. When I get back, assuming I have some
    leisure time, I’ll favor you with some reputable links, given that you are apparently unable to do research on your own.”

    Please do not bother to while away your precious leisure time gathering links. Use it to do something you enjoy. But, again I never stated I was unable to do research on my own. And, finding sources of data and collecting them is not research by any stretch of the imagination.

  38. just_curious said on 22 Mar 2009 at 2:43 pm:
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    I have a feeling nova scout is an immigration attorney. he writes like one who regularly has articles in the news/messenger. Just a supposition of course…

  39. NoVA Scout said on 22 Mar 2009 at 3:24 pm:
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    It didn’t seem that poetic. It just seemed false.

  40. Bridget said on 22 Mar 2009 at 5:16 pm:
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    http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals

  41. Cynic said on 22 Mar 2009 at 5:57 pm:
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    just_curious said on 22 Mar 2009 at 2:43 pm:

    “I have a feeling nova scout is an immigration attorney. he writes like one who regularly has articles in the news/messenger. Just a supposition of course…”
    ………………………………………………….
    Yes, I have thought the same or that it was a liberal, open borders individual or both!

    NoVA Scout said on 22 Mar 2009 at 3:24 pm:

    “It didn’t seem that poetic. It just seemed false”
    ………………………………………………
    NoVa Scout - Instead of link searching when you return from your taxing travels, I suggest you read Voltaire, 1694 - 1778 (read his CANDIDE) and Jonathan Swift, 1667 – 1745 (read his: A MODEST PROPOSAL and GULLIVER’S TRAVELS).

    Bridget, That is so great.
    But, there may be those who disagree!

  42. Cynic said on 22 Mar 2009 at 6:59 pm:
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    Bridget said on 22 Mar 2009 at 5:16 pm:

    http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals

    Bridget, Just so there is no misunderstanding, I mean that your posting that site with that crime information is great. That these crimes have occurred, it not great.

    Like I stated before - using poetic license or being slightly sarcastic - illegals never commit any crimes, do they?

  43. citizenofmanassas said on 22 Mar 2009 at 9:23 pm:
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    The problem with Nova scout is that he tries to compare apples to oranges. Illegals do not belong in the Country, so any attempt to compare them to anyone else is wrong.

    There is a reason they are called illegal and everyone else is not.

    Nova says we should deport the “bad” illegals, yet is against mass deportaton, but of course if every illegal is “bad” he would then be in support of their deporation.

  44. rebelreggie said on 23 Mar 2009 at 10:32 am:
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    The women and children of Loudon County are falling victim to illegal aliens
    March 22, 8:07 AM
    Police in Leesburg, Virginia are currently searching for Salvadoran national Carlos Felipe Centeno, 21 for the molestation of a 5-year-old girl. Centeno who is in this country illegally, works as a house painter.

    On March 19, police distributed a wanted poster, which describes Centeno as between 6 feet and 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighing 200 to 240 pounds. He may be riding a blue Magna bicycle.

    Centeno also has an outstanding warrant for another case, in which he is accused of committing forcible sodomy.

    Anyone with any information on the whereabouts of Centeno should call Detective Doug Shaw at 703-771-4521 , or to leave an anonymous tip call the Leesburg Crime Line as 703-443-TIPS.

    On March 12, a Loudon County jury convicted Honduran national Arnold J. Mancia-Morales, 25 of raping a 75-year-old woman in her Sterling Park home. The attack occurred in August 2008. The jury recommended that the illegal alien spend the rest of his life in prison.

    Mancia-Morales broke into the womans home by smashing-in her glass door sometime after midnight. Awoken by the noise, the woman went to investigate, and was attacked.

    Before he was sentenced, the victims daughter told the jury how her mothers life has been impacted by the attack. She told a heart wrenching account of finding her mother one morning, curled up in the fetal position on the floor, weeping, holding onto a book of scriptures and crying out-loud that she wished she had just been killed.

    Her daughter said: I didnt know what to do, so I just held her.

    Her daughter told the court that her mother now goes to counseling and no longer goes out after dark. She added: She is always looking over her shoulder.

    Commonwealth’s Attorney James E. Plowman told reporters: “This is an atrocious case, and the victim continues to struggle to deal with this

    Mancia-Morales is no stranger to the courts. In 2006 he was convicted of felony burglary, and four misdemeanor charges between 2007-2008, two of which were assaults. In 2007, he forced himself on a young girl at the Sterling library, he received a 100-day sentence for the attack, but all of the time was suspended.

    Incredibly, the day after his sentencing for the rape of the 75-year-old woman, Mancia-Morales was charged with the brutal rape of a 51-year-old woman in the Newberry section of Sterling Park. That attack took place in April 2008.

    Northern Virginia has been particularly hard-hit with crimes committed by illegal aliens, following that regions construction boom of recent years. Of course, the construction industry is dominated by illegal aliens who provide builders with very cheap labor.

    The region, along with D.C. has become a stronghold for the violent Salvadoran gang known as MS-13.

  45. just_curious said on 23 Mar 2009 at 4:48 pm:
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    could it be that illegals are his bread and butter and he has to keep middle of the road in order to not loose business?

  46. NoVA Scout said on 23 Mar 2009 at 4:48 pm:
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    Cynic: I enjoy Swift and Voltaire immensely. Gulliver was my first serious read. Re-read Candide over Christmas. It travels well in time and space. Not sure what that has to do with any of this, but if you’re intimating that you’re a latter day Swift or Voltaire, think again. I’m a little older than most of you. J’ai connu M. Voltaire. Voltaire etait un ami de moi. Et, Cynic, vous n’etes pas Voltaire.

    As several folks know, I’m a conservative R who has put in time on Republican campaigns going back to Fremont.

    CoM, every time you exceed the speed limit, you commit a misdemeanor crime, you criminal. But despite your criminal background, I agree that illegal immigration should be stopped. don’t know about “bad” illegals or “bad” citizens other than that there are probably a whole bunch of folks in each category.

  47. NoVA Scout said on 23 Mar 2009 at 4:51 pm:
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    BTW, CoM, I apologize in advance if you’re one of those people who never exceed the speed limit. In that case, you are a better man than I and I recant in my supposition that everyone exceeds the speed limit from time to time.

  48. Cynic said on 23 Mar 2009 at 6:23 pm:
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    Good for you NoVA Scout. Not the I would want either of them for friends.

    I’d chose Ed Cantrell, Attila the Hun, or Genghis Khan for friends.

    “As several folks know, I’m a conservative R who has put in time on Republican campaigns going back to Fremont.”

    If it’s the Fremont that Stonewall Jackson kicked around the Shenandoah Valley during the Civil War and that Lincoln fired, then you certainly old.

    But, conservative, really? You strike me more as a Rino.

  49. Former Officer said on 24 Mar 2009 at 10:34 am:
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    You are NOT committing a misdemeanor by speeding but nice try. It’s a traffic infraction, a civil fine.

  50. citizenofmanassas said on 24 Mar 2009 at 4:49 pm:
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    Nova,

    A person who speeds is only breaking the law while speeding. Illegals are never not illegal.

  51. Anonymous said on 24 Mar 2009 at 5:25 pm:
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    citizenofmanassas said on 24 Mar 2009 at 4:49 pm: Flag comment

    Nova,

    A person who speeds is only breaking the law while speeding. Illegals are never not illegal.

    Excellent point! That should shut him up for awhile.

  52. just_curious said on 24 Mar 2009 at 5:59 pm:
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    I figure for an immigration attorney he should know better, but I digress…Nova actually makes some pretty good points sometimes and defends his position well usually. I have to admire the guy to stand up for what he believes (like many of us) but I dont necessarily agree with his position. Nova, I give credit where credit is due and I actually think your a pretty squared away dude for what it’s worth

  53. Bridget said on 24 Mar 2009 at 7:35 pm:
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    This whole “illegal aliens committed a crime just as all of you who’ve broken the speed limit are, technically, criminals too” is laughable at best.

    The practice of unequal equivalence (illegal alien entry = misdemeanor) is tiresome.

    NOVA should know that most traffic violations are not crimes, they are INFRACTIONS, there is a big difference between the two. Yes, most of us have violated some traffic law, but if caught we are punished and fined. We have police patrolling the streets and highways looking for traffic violators. So, using his logic, we should have police patrolling and looking for immigration law violators. The comparison of traffic violations (infractions) to misdemeanor and felonious immigration law violations is beyond disingenuous.

    As for that speeding analogy, when you speed, you pay a fine. When you enter illegally, you are committing a felony (although ICE often treats it as a misdemeanor to get the offender out of the country quicker rather than going to trial). Furthermore, the prescribed “penalty” for illegal entry is DEPORTATION. Much as NOVA wants us to compare illegal immigration to speeding, federal law doesn’t support his opinion or his wishful thinking.

    Entering the country comes under a criminal statute.

    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

    Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

    Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

    Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.

    The classification matters none. Rather than focusing on “what it’s classified as”, focus on CONSEQUENCES, because THAT’S what really matters.

    Whether it’s a violation of criminal law, immigration law, a misdemeanor, or a felony…the point is moot.

    It is a violation with serious consequences. It’s no “slap on the wrists”.

    http://www.vdare.com/mann/060403_crime.htm

  54. Cynic said on 24 Mar 2009 at 8:07 pm:
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    When there is an act of Congress signed by a President, millions of illegals become legal. Unfortunately, this has happened in the past and most likely will happen again under the current Administration.

    Of course, just like in the last amnesty bill, am sure that when the new amnesty bill/law is passed, there will be provisions in that bill that will guarantee that we will have more than adequate resources to provide ICE with the tools to have complete control of our borders which will, then, end all illegal immigration - forever. Just know that is what will happen as more than one politician has said so.

  55. Johnson said on 25 Mar 2009 at 11:59 am:
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    http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/20/032109_3A_jail_suicide.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=7

    If only our molesters had the good graces.

  56. DPortM said on 25 Mar 2009 at 2:05 pm:
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    Johnson, wouldn’t that be nice?

    Then we wouldn’t have to pay to incarcerate them, and we wouldn’t have to have other victims once they illegally re-enter the country after serving their sentences.

  57. NoVA Scout said on 26 Mar 2009 at 6:22 am:
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    I’m glad to see that in my absence, the long marathon to the bottom of the sloppy thinking scale is over and that Bridget and CoM have edged out substantial competition to take the laurels.

    I have no idea what an “infraction” is in a legal context, Bridget. I don’t know nuthin about the Virginia penal code, but I suspect there is no category of law violation that is officially classified as an “infraction.” That’s just lay people talking, I’ll wager. I will also wager you (haven’t done the research, so it’s like most of the stuff that gets thrown around here, no better, no worse) that we catch a much lower percentage of speed violators than immigration violators.

    And CoM, it seems a distinctly liberal view for you to espouse that when I rob a bank, I am only a bank robber while I’m doing the deed, when I murder, I’m only a murderer when I’m slitting my victim’s throat, when I break the speed limit, I’m only a speeder when I’ve got the needle past 65, but, when I enter illegally I am an illegal alien for all times and purposes. I agree with you on the last point, but submit that people who break laws are violators not just for the moment, but are people who violate laws.

    And, Cynic, it was indeed the very same, Mr. (General) John C. Fremont, the Pathfinder to the Sea, that General Jackson abused up in the Valley. He was our first Republican candidate for President. Not a very successful general by any measure. No doubt he would have been a better President than Buchanan, however (hardly anyone could have been worse - Jimmy Carter maybe), and I’m standing by my support for him. We had to start somewhere.

    Just-Curious, you are most gracious. Thank you. I don’t expect people here to agree with me, I expect them to think.

  58. Cynic said on 26 Mar 2009 at 8:37 am:
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    NoVA Scout, Interesting. Could you please enlighten us by telling us in what capacity you served when you help with the General’s election campaign? That was in !864, if my memory is correct.

  59. Advocator said on 26 Mar 2009 at 9:43 am:
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    It’s been an interesting dialogue between NoVA Scout and Bridget. NoVA wants to oscillate between a strictly legal and sympathy idealistic perspectives while Bridget takes a common sense “how does this situation affect me” approach.

    The “infraction” of being an illegal alien is a lot like driving without insurance. The driver without insurance hurts no one until he causes an accident, then his failure to comply with the law must be subsidized by his victim(s) and the rest of society. The “infraction” itself is relatively minor, but the effects of that infraction can be life-changing to the average citizen-victim, whom government is supposed to protect. Unfortunately, in the illegal alien situation, our Government (both parties and all levels) has chosen to encourage illegal immigration rather than protect its citizens from the deleterious effects of uncontrolled border violations. And aiders and abettors of the illegal invasion, like NoVA, defend such a worthless, impotent government with pablum like, “It’s only a misdemeanor; they’re only trying to provide for their families; they only want a better life,” etc, ad nauseum.

    It’s time for a change, folks.

  60. Anonymous said on 26 Mar 2009 at 2:36 pm:
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    NoVA Scout said on 26 Mar 2009 at 6:22 am: Flag comment
    I agree with you on the last point, but submit that people who break laws are violators not just for the moment, but are people who violate laws.

    Yes, those who break laws are violators but can be convinced to stop breaking them (jail, family etc.) An illegal is still an illegal and as long as he/she is in this country cannot be considered anything but an illegal and a lawbreaker. Of course, if they leave this country……..but that won’t happen.

  61. Bridget said on 26 Mar 2009 at 3:53 pm:
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    I don’t expect people here to agree with me, I expect them to think.

    Here is a thought:

    Making crime seem less than it is helps no one. Period.

  62. citizenofmanassas said on 26 Mar 2009 at 7:03 pm:
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    Nova,

    I never said a bank robber is only a criminal only while in the action of robbing a bank. Nice try there to put words in my mouth or should say in my post.

    When was the last time you saw a wanted poster/announcement of a speeder?

    When was the last time you saw a wanted poster/announcement of a bank robber?

  63. NoVA Scout said on 26 Mar 2009 at 9:04 pm:
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    1856, Cynic. My family, primarily German immigrants with a Quaker English strain thrown in, initially were attracted to the Free Soil Party, but switched to Republicans in the 1856 campaign. My job (I was a youngster then) was to hand-out leaflets at torch-light parades.

    In ‘64, Mr. Lincoln was the Party’s choice, but ran on the Union Party ticket as opposed to a Republican ticket. General McLellan was the Democratic candidate. I was worried early in the process, but good news from the front and the support of our boys in uniform carried the day for Mr. Lincoln.

    Bridget: to what “crime” are you referring. I’m very much anti-crime, but so is almost everyone, so I don’t know that that gets me much.

  64. Bridget said on 26 Mar 2009 at 11:05 pm:
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    At this point, everyone knows that you don’t get much. And that to not agree with you is somehow proof that we have failed to think. To what crime am I referrring? This from someone who writes “I expect them to think”?

    Illegal Immigration: the Crime that Pays

    http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/070320_nd.htm

    “The reasons we need immigration reform lie primarily in considerations of border security in an age of terrorism, economic efficiency, promotion of free movements of labor and capital, health and education policy, and protecting against worker exploitation. Criminal behavior, however reprehensible, is a general problem that transcends immigration issues. It’s not very high on the list of reasons that a lot needs to be done to reform the federal system and not a problem that can be effectively solved by focussing on the relatively small illegal immigrant component of the problem.”

    I have no doubt that you are very much anti-crime….in the libertarian mode of anything goes…decriminalize the lot and…viola!No crime if everything is legal…

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=42090

    Polls Reaffirm Americans Support Immigration Enforcement
    Three polls released last week by Rasmussen Reports reaffirm what true immigration reformers have known for years: the American public overwhelmingly supports enhanced border security and strengthened interior enforcement of our immigration laws. The results of these polls further undermine the arguments of amnesty advocates who claim that the American people want “comprehensive” immigration reform.

    The first Rasmussen poll, released March 16th, focused on border security. According to the poll, 79% of voters support using troops on the U.S.-Mexico border to protect Americans from drug-related violence. The 79% figure marked a 21% jump in support for the use of the U.S. military along the border in just two months. Only 10% of U.S. voters oppose putting U.S. troops on the border to fight drug violence, while 11% say they are unsure. Strong support for placing U.S. troops on the border may stem from the fact that 82% of U.S. voters are concerned that Mexican drug violence will spill over into the United States, including 50% who say that they are very concerned. The poll also found that more than six in ten Americans say that the Department of Homeland Security should continue to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border. (Rasmussen Reports, March 16, 2009). The release of the poll came just days after President Obama and other members of his administration expressed reluctance to deploy members of the National Guard to the border. (See FAIR’s Legislative Update, March 16, 2009).

    The second Rasmussen poll, released March 17, highlighted strong support for local law enforcement of immigration laws. According to the poll, 73% of voters say that police officers should automatically check to see if someone is in the country legally when the officer pulls that person over for a traffic violation, while only 21% disagree. Furthermore, 67% of voters say that if law enforcement officers know of places where immigrants gather to find work, they should conduct surprise raids to identify and deport illegal aliens. (Rasmussen Reports, March 17, 2009). The poll’s findings came less than two weeks after House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) questioned the success of the 287(g) program - which allows Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to enter into agreements to train state and local law enforcement agencies in the enforcement of federal immigration laws. (See FAIR’s Legislative Update, March 9, 2009).

    A third Rasmussen poll, released March 18, shows that nearly seven in ten voters support strict government sanctions on employers who hire illegal aliens. Only 22% say that employers should not be punished, while another 10% are not sure. Nearly half of U.S. voters support sanctions for landlords who rent or sell property to illegal aliens, while 36% are opposed to such penalties. (Rasmussen Reports, March 18, 2009). These findings came just eight days after the Senate voted to kill an amendment offered by Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) to the $410 billion Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105) that would have reauthorized the E-Verify program - which prevents employers from hiring illegal aliens in the first place - through September 2014. (See FAIR’s Action Alert, March 10, 2009).

  65. NoVA Scout said on 28 Mar 2009 at 8:43 am:
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    Since the author of the V.Dare piece, cites Gary Becker prominently, he/she
    might want to read (or have someone read to him, given that the piece you link to reflects a fairly serious literacy deficit) Professor Becker’s (an eminent conservative economist from University of Chicago) views on the illegal immigration issue. They are very much aligned with mine (or, to avoid being presumptuous, my conservative views are very much aligned with his).

    By the way, I think Virginia Dare was an illegal immigrant.

  66. NoVA Scout said on 28 Mar 2009 at 10:42 am:
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    Or, perhaps more accurately, an early anchor baby.

  67. Cynic said on 28 Mar 2009 at 11:57 am:
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    “By the way, I think Virginia Dare was an illegal immigrant.”

    Logic tells us that it would be impossible for Miss Dare to be an illegal immigrant. Her parents were Virginia colonists who legally settled in what is now Virginia and these colonists were here under the authority of the King of England, so how could they be illegal?

  68. NoVA Scout said on 28 Mar 2009 at 1:40 pm:
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    I think the citizens who were already here felt that her parents were part of a wave of illegals.

  69. Bridget said on 28 Mar 2009 at 3:30 pm:
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    “Illegal immigrants” is an incorrect term. If you can’t stomach the term “aliens,” then use this more precise term: “colonists.”

    Virginia Dare and her fellow colonists faced no migration laws. And at that point in time, there were no immigration laws in this country that were established by the American government. This country did not exist, nor did our current form of government, in order for it to establish its own immigration laws. If anything, what they probably faced was nativism, tribalism and territorialism…oh my.

    Virginia’s birth anchored her to the laws of England. She lived and died as an English subject. That she and her fellow colonists disappeared with little trace tells me that they were probably taken captive, and probably killed ….

    http://www.theshadowlands.net/roanoke.htm

    These current illegal aliens are colonists, not immigrants. But whatever you call them, there are here ILLEGALLY. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people can ignore that word “illegal.” Other alternative words such as “undocumented” are devised to deflect attention from the obvious. These people are lawbreakers…

    “I think the citizens who were already here felt that her parents were part of a wave of illegals.”

    And who knows who those “citizens”, who were already here, displaced to establish themselves. Maybe their predecessors just wanted for the invaders to go home…and got bashed in the head instead. Doubtfull that any authority was singing the propaganda of Diversity is Strength and Multiculturalism is a Blessing…

    During the mass protests in L.A. and Washington D.C., I saw the signs held high that read “The Pilgrims/Colonists/Europeans/Whites Were the First Illegals”… An amalgam of ignorance and arrogance.

    I, for one, just want them to go home.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2216758/posts

    http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/03/28/news/metro/a1_–_assaultrape.txt

    http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/03/28/CT-woman-allegedly-attacked-by/1238238349.html

  70. Cynic said on 28 Mar 2009 at 11:34 pm:
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    Bridget, was just thinking, if that co-worker moved to Maryland ( a Sanctuary State) especially Montgomery Co. (a Sanctuary County in a Sanctuary State), and committed this same hideous crime, there would be a high probability that the authorities most likely would arrest the victim! After all, he just came here to work and we need to give him more time to adjust and adapt to our system and cultural!

  71. Bridget said on 29 Mar 2009 at 7:18 am:
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    Cynic,

    Hard to decide between the two states - Maryland or Connecticut - which one takes the cake for providing sanctuary and services to illegal aliens along with their advocates:

    Hartford, CT becomes newest sanctuary city for illegal aliens:

    The city council staked its ground Monday in the immigration debate, unanimously approving an ordinance that bars police from inquiring about immigration status.

    The ordinance, if signed by Mayor Eddie Perez, would prevent police from arresting or detaining anyone solely because immigration authorities had issued an administrative warrant for them, which is a civil matter.

    The ordinance also prohibits other city employees from asking anyone seeking services about their immigration status.

    Councilman Pedro E. Segarra called the decision “bold and courageous” and said he was impressed by the dozens of people in the city who spoke in favor of the proposal at a public hearing last month. There was no opposition.

    Segarra said he did not support illegal immigration, but had to respond to the needs of people living in the city. He said that opponents who contacted him since the proposal received media attention lived in the suburbs or as far away as Texas.

    “My responsibility as a council person is to the residents of Hartford,” he said. “I’m not responsible for securing our borders. I’m not responsible for issuing visas.”

    New Haven,CT is where the perp lived. It is also the location for the restaurant that employed both perp and victim:

    U.S. City Gives Illegal Immigrants Official ID

    …”New Haven officials say their controversial new measure was necessary to integrate illegal immigrants into the community and protect them from crime as well as encourage them to report crimes to police.”

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/http%3A//www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/07/us_city_gives_illegal_immigran.html

  72. NoVA Scout said on 29 Mar 2009 at 9:18 am:
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    I guess it depends on which end of the telescope one looks, through Bridget. I’m sure the folks back then were griping daily about these hairy white people who just barged in without permission, refused to learn Algonkian (or whatever the language of the time and place was), dressed funny and clung to their own customs and diet, littered all over the landscape etc., etc. Some of them probably got so lathered up that they took matters into their own hands and sent all the immigrants to a forced assimilation camp.

  73. Cynic said on 29 Mar 2009 at 11:00 am:
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    In the east including what is now Canada, it was mostly the Algonquin and Iroquois tribes. The Algonquins outnumbered the Iroquois who were more warlike, and held on to their land - for the most part - up to the Revolutionary War when Mad Anthony Wayne marched through their territory and completely destroyed their civilization in the process.

    Had I been a colonists back then I would have supported taking the land of the Indians and removing them - which we did.

    Had I been an Indian back then, I would have opposed the intruders and if I had any foresight, tried to totally eliminated them from the landscape - but, while some Indians like Pontiac and Tecumseh saw what was happening to them and tried to eliminate us, it was too little, too late. And, given the technological advantage, we had, it was probably always - just a matter of time.

    No doubt about it, the Indians had a lousy “immigration policy”!

  74. citizenofmanassas said on 29 Mar 2009 at 2:45 pm:
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    NOVA,

    You know you are in trouble when you have to bring up silly arguments as you have to try and make a point.

    Indians did not establish a Nation in North America. Therefore, their “Country” was not invaded by illegals or otherwise.

  75. Cynic said on 29 Mar 2009 at 3:17 pm:
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    “My responsibility as a council person is to the residents of Hartford,” he said. “I’m not responsible for securing our borders. I’m not responsible for issuing visas.”

    Bridget, That is almost a totally accurate statement. His responsibilities are to support legal residents, not those residents who are illegal. Of course, he is one of those responsible for making it possible for these illegals to obtain ID’s. He is just another traitor who should be tried for treason.

    But, the tragedy is that ICE will not be swooping down on those illegals when they go to pick up their ID’s.

    The last Adm. might have done this also, but I would not be surprised if the current Adm. ordered ICE to help New Haven issue the ID’s to these illegals.

  76. NoVA Scout said on 29 Mar 2009 at 8:24 pm:
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    CoM: when I argue, I argue seriously. Very little here is argument. It’s mostly just people venting. In my case, my Virginia Dare comments are intended to be joshing, not argument. It’s just for my own amusement on a rainy weekend. I do need to find more active pursuits, both intellectually and physically. Next weekend, I think I’ll put down mulch.

  77. citizenofmanassas said on 30 Mar 2009 at 6:57 am:
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    Nova,

    OK. But when you also compare Citizens to illegals, it makes folks wonder….. You should have the mulch down already.

  78. Cynic said on 5 Apr 2009 at 10:56 am:
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    Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) - Do not call them banditos.
    Why? For you corrupt politicians, is the word too accurate for this and most other situations?

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