OK. But when you also compare Citizens to illegals, it makes folks wonder….. You should have the mulch down already.

Bridget, That is almost a totally accurate statement. His responsibilities are to support legal residents, not those residents who are illegal. Of course, he is one of those responsible for making it possible for these illegals to obtain ID’s. He is just another traitor who should be tried for treason.

But, the tragedy is that ICE will not be swooping down on those illegals when they go to pick up their ID’s.

The last Adm. might have done this also, but I would not be surprised if the current Adm. ordered ICE to help New Haven issue the ID’s to these illegals.

You know you are in trouble when you have to bring up silly arguments as you have to try and make a point.

Indians did not establish a Nation in North America. Therefore, their “Country” was not invaded by illegals or otherwise.

Had I been a colonists back then I would have supported taking the land of the Indians and removing them - which we did.

Had I been an Indian back then, I would have opposed the intruders and if I had any foresight, tried to totally eliminated them from the landscape - but, while some Indians like Pontiac and Tecumseh saw what was happening to them and tried to eliminate us, it was too little, too late. And, given the technological advantage, we had, it was probably always - just a matter of time.

No doubt about it, the Indians had a lousy “immigration policy”!

Hard to decide between the two states - Maryland or Connecticut - which one takes the cake for providing sanctuary and services to illegal aliens along with their advocates:

Hartford, CT becomes newest sanctuary city for illegal aliens:

The city council staked its ground Monday in the immigration debate, unanimously approving an ordinance that bars police from inquiring about immigration status.

The ordinance, if signed by Mayor Eddie Perez, would prevent police from arresting or detaining anyone solely because immigration authorities had issued an administrative warrant for them, which is a civil matter.

The ordinance also prohibits other city employees from asking anyone seeking services about their immigration status.

Councilman Pedro E. Segarra called the decision “bold and courageous” and said he was impressed by the dozens of people in the city who spoke in favor of the proposal at a public hearing last month. There was no opposition.

Segarra said he did not support illegal immigration, but had to respond to the needs of people living in the city. He said that opponents who contacted him since the proposal received media attention lived in the suburbs or as far away as Texas.

“My responsibility as a council person is to the residents of Hartford,” he said. “I’m not responsible for securing our borders. I’m not responsible for issuing visas.”

New Haven,CT is where the perp lived. It is also the location for the restaurant that employed both perp and victim:

U.S. City Gives Illegal Immigrants Official ID

…”New Haven officials say their controversial new measure was necessary to integrate illegal immigrants into the community and protect them from crime as well as encourage them to report crimes to police.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/http%3A//www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/07/us_city_gives_illegal_immigran.html

Virginia Dare and her fellow colonists faced no migration laws. And at that point in time, there were no immigration laws in this country that were established by the American government. This country did not exist, nor did our current form of government, in order for it to establish its own immigration laws. If anything, what they probably faced was nativism, tribalism and territorialism…oh my.

Virginia’s birth anchored her to the laws of England. She lived and died as an English subject. That she and her fellow colonists disappeared with little trace tells me that they were probably taken captive, and probably killed ….

http://www.theshadowlands.net/roanoke.htm

These current illegal aliens are colonists, not immigrants. But whatever you call them, there are here ILLEGALLY. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people can ignore that word “illegal.” Other alternative words such as “undocumented” are devised to deflect attention from the obvious. These people are lawbreakers…

“I think the citizens who were already here felt that her parents were part of a wave of illegals.”

And who knows who those “citizens”, who were already here, displaced to establish themselves. Maybe their predecessors just wanted for the invaders to go home…and got bashed in the head instead. Doubtfull that any authority was singing the propaganda of Diversity is Strength and Multiculturalism is a Blessing…

During the mass protests in L.A. and Washington D.C., I saw the signs held high that read “The Pilgrims/Colonists/Europeans/Whites Were the First Illegals”… An amalgam of ignorance and arrogance.

I, for one, just want them to go home.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2216758/posts

http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/03/28/news/metro/a1_–_assaultrape.txt

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/03/28/CT-woman-allegedly-attacked-by/1238238349.html

Logic tells us that it would be impossible for Miss Dare to be an illegal immigrant. Her parents were Virginia colonists who legally settled in what is now Virginia and these colonists were here under the authority of the King of England, so how could they be illegal?

By the way, I think Virginia Dare was an illegal immigrant.

Illegal Immigration: the Crime that Pays

http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/070320_nd.htm

“The reasons we need immigration reform lie primarily in considerations of border security in an age of terrorism, economic efficiency, promotion of free movements of labor and capital, health and education policy, and protecting against worker exploitation. Criminal behavior, however reprehensible, is a general problem that transcends immigration issues. It’s not very high on the list of reasons that a lot needs to be done to reform the federal system and not a problem that can be effectively solved by focussing on the relatively small illegal immigrant component of the problem.”

I have no doubt that you are very much anti-crime….in the libertarian mode of anything goes…decriminalize the lot and…viola!No crime if everything is legal…

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=42090

Polls Reaffirm Americans Support Immigration Enforcement
Three polls released last week by Rasmussen Reports reaffirm what true immigration reformers have known for years: the American public overwhelmingly supports enhanced border security and strengthened interior enforcement of our immigration laws. The results of these polls further undermine the arguments of amnesty advocates who claim that the American people want “comprehensive” immigration reform.

The first Rasmussen poll, released March 16th, focused on border security. According to the poll, 79% of voters support using troops on the U.S.-Mexico border to protect Americans from drug-related violence. The 79% figure marked a 21% jump in support for the use of the U.S. military along the border in just two months. Only 10% of U.S. voters oppose putting U.S. troops on the border to fight drug violence, while 11% say they are unsure. Strong support for placing U.S. troops on the border may stem from the fact that 82% of U.S. voters are concerned that Mexican drug violence will spill over into the United States, including 50% who say that they are very concerned. The poll also found that more than six in ten Americans say that the Department of Homeland Security should continue to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border. (Rasmussen Reports, March 16, 2009). The release of the poll came just days after President Obama and other members of his administration expressed reluctance to deploy members of the National Guard to the border. (See FAIR’s Legislative Update, March 16, 2009).

The second Rasmussen poll, released March 17, highlighted strong support for local law enforcement of immigration laws. According to the poll, 73% of voters say that police officers should automatically check to see if someone is in the country legally when the officer pulls that person over for a traffic violation, while only 21% disagree. Furthermore, 67% of voters say that if law enforcement officers know of places where immigrants gather to find work, they should conduct surprise raids to identify and deport illegal aliens. (Rasmussen Reports, March 17, 2009). The poll’s findings came less than two weeks after House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) questioned the success of the 287(g) program - which allows Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to enter into agreements to train state and local law enforcement agencies in the enforcement of federal immigration laws. (See FAIR’s Legislative Update, March 9, 2009).

A third Rasmussen poll, released March 18, shows that nearly seven in ten voters support strict government sanctions on employers who hire illegal aliens. Only 22% say that employers should not be punished, while another 10% are not sure. Nearly half of U.S. voters support sanctions for landlords who rent or sell property to illegal aliens, while 36% are opposed to such penalties. (Rasmussen Reports, March 18, 2009). These findings came just eight days after the Senate voted to kill an amendment offered by Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) to the $410 billion Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105) that would have reauthorized the E-Verify program - which prevents employers from hiring illegal aliens in the first place - through September 2014. (See FAIR’s Action Alert, March 10, 2009).

In ‘64, Mr. Lincoln was the Party’s choice, but ran on the Union Party ticket as opposed to a Republican ticket. General McLellan was the Democratic candidate. I was worried early in the process, but good news from the front and the support of our boys in uniform carried the day for Mr. Lincoln.

Bridget: to what “crime” are you referring. I’m very much anti-crime, but so is almost everyone, so I don’t know that that gets me much.

I never said a bank robber is only a criminal only while in the action of robbing a bank. Nice try there to put words in my mouth or should say in my post.

When was the last time you saw a wanted poster/announcement of a speeder?

When was the last time you saw a wanted poster/announcement of a bank robber?

Here is a thought:

Making crime seem less than it is helps no one. Period.

Yes, those who break laws are violators but can be convinced to stop breaking them (jail, family etc.) An illegal is still an illegal and as long as he/she is in this country cannot be considered anything but an illegal and a lawbreaker. Of course, if they leave this country……..but that won’t happen.

The “infraction” of being an illegal alien is a lot like driving without insurance. The driver without insurance hurts no one until he causes an accident, then his failure to comply with the law must be subsidized by his victim(s) and the rest of society. The “infraction” itself is relatively minor, but the effects of that infraction can be life-changing to the average citizen-victim, whom government is supposed to protect. Unfortunately, in the illegal alien situation, our Government (both parties and all levels) has chosen to encourage illegal immigration rather than protect its citizens from the deleterious effects of uncontrolled border violations. And aiders and abettors of the illegal invasion, like NoVA, defend such a worthless, impotent government with pablum like, “It’s only a misdemeanor; they’re only trying to provide for their families; they only want a better life,” etc, ad nauseum.

It’s time for a change, folks.