Jeff Frederick Removed
By Greg L | 4 April 2009 | RPV | 67 Comments
Today the State Central Committee removed RPV Chairman Jeff Frederick from office by a vote of 57-18.
Who the next lamb destined for slaughter in this position will be has not been disclosed yet. My expectation is that the appointment will speak volumes about why Frederick was removed, and firmly establish whether RPV has a future or not. Instead of thousands of delegates electing a chairman ata state convention, the 75 people on State Central will again appoint the nominal leader of the Commonwealth’s Republican Party.
UPDATE: NLS mentions some rather unusual decisions regarding which proxy votes would be counted and which would not, decisions which decided the outcome:
McDonnell supporters blocked one proxy from voting who was for Jeff, while allowing 9 proxy votes who were in favor of ousting Jeff. This combined with an abstention of one Frederick supporter running the meeting tipped the balance.
Using a majority of votes to exclude some votes- allow others- and tip the balance?!?! This is Bob McDonnell’s Republican Party!?!?
Indeed.
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Vice Chairman Mike Thomas, a consultant at McGuire Woods is interim chairman according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch. A replacement chairman will be appointed by the State Central Committee on May 2nd. That appointment will continue until the party convention later that month, where presumably the delegates will be asked to endorse the selection.
Kinda smacks of a coup, doesn’t it? Why would a replacement be named three weeks before a convention, rather than let candidates campaign for the job and win an election without State Central promoting a candidate?
What a mess.
Spank That Donkey has more. This information about how anti-Frederick supporters may have bullied one SCC member into opposing Frederick is also worth a read.
Jeff Frederick will be re-elected on May 2nd. Then the grass roots Republicans are going to take up pitch forks and hunt down those fifty-seven back-stabbers.
Honestly, how do those “old guard” rubes expect the Republicans to ever attract young talent when they clearly took such pleasure in knifing one of their most devoted young stars, Jeff Frederick, in the back?
It has become clear why so few citizens under fifty support the Republicans anymore. The Party is run by a bunch of clueless, out of touch, geriatrics, who are too dull to recognize that the citizens have moved on, and the blue-hairs would rather knife their young chairman, than to back his efforts to drag the elephant into the Twenty-first Century.
You’re making some assumptions here, Greg, obviously based upon faulty data. I listened to the entire real time podcast and followed the comment stream from Bearing Drift between 10 AM and 6 PM (2 hour break between 2 - 4 PM), and THESE are the facts:
1. The single proxy that was denied was denied because it violated the Party Plan…it was held by an individual NOT from the SCC member’s district. It was a procedural flaw on the part of one of the Frederick supporters. The other proxies that were allowed had no flaws.
2. There was NO abstention…this information directly from the mouth of Morton Blackwell who was chairing the meeting. and the individual who PASSED (his words) on his vote until he was able to determine whether it would make a difference in the outcome. It did not, so, as chairman of the meeting, he did not vote. He cited Robert’s Rules of Order as his authority on this action.
3. The INTERIM RPV Chairman will be Mike Thomas, 1st Vice Chairman of the Executive Committee, performing that duty as he has done on previous occasions. The last word we had was that a new chairman was to be elected at the upcoming State Convention (this is not confirmed, and is no doubt dependent upon the State Party Plan Call To Convention, and whether it can be modified and how…but the intent is to HAVE AN ELECTION).
4. As stated, Morton Blackwell chaired the meeting, having been unanimously elected. Both sides agreed everything was fair, open, and above board. The only dissension would seem to be emanating from people who had NO PRESENCE in the meeting itself. There is no “coup.”
5. NLS is a Democrat (HIGHLY supportive of Frederick continuing as Chairman…remember, “the gift that keeps on giving”) and, was not in the meeting at any time…it was closed to the public and media. I’m sure he and his fellows would LOVE to see this all continue to divide the Republican Party right up to the election, particularly if his buddy Brian Moran gets the nomination for Governor from the Dems.
All you’re doing here, Greg, is attempting to perpetuate more divisiveness, particularly with your statement regarding Bob McDonnell…who wasn’t even there, by the way. None of the candidates were there. Why don’t you try to check out and confirm the actual facts before you make these assumptions.
Who divided the Republican Party were the backers of this coup… peddle your BS to someone who will believe it AWCheney.
McDonnell wins by 326 votes statewide, and his big plan to win reelection is to p*ssoff a lot of loyal volunteers….
We lowlife issue oriented folks are the only thing that saves the big fat GOPers from the socialists…. Well the socialists got to eat too… just like the worm….
90% tax on the highest earners? Just in VA would be more than suitable for me at the moment.
AWCheney and Glendell Hill are very exicted about Jeff Fredrick getting ousted. He was not their kind of Republican.
Also of note is this post by Leslie Carbone: RPV Parodies Own Rudderlessness
“a bunch of clueless, out of touch, geriatrics”
This must by why I’m getting junkmail from the AARP, along with letters from RNC asking for donations. It’ll be several more decades before I even think about retiring, but perhaps they assumed that I’m a geriatric because my name is on the RNC’s mailing list.
As far as Anke goes, someone could take up a collection to get her a one-way ticket to New Zealand.
I don’t know Mike Thomas. But, I’ll take a guess - he’s some mainstream guy from outside of Northern Virginia. Probably Richmond. Nobody from Northern Virginia is ever going to get any respect in the RPV. And please don’t tell me about Bob McDonnell. He hasn’t lived in NoVa since he was a teenager (despite “happy talk” when he is campaigning in NoVa). George Allen? Claimed to be from “the real Virginia, not inside the beltway” while secretly living in Mt Vernon (outside the beltway but virtually within eyesight of that road). Want to do Ken Cuccinelli a favor? Convince him to become a Democrat. Want to do NoVa a favor? Vote for Terry McAulliffe.
Mike Thomas is an able, respected gentleman from Northern Virginia. His conservative credentials are sound and he has a good head for facts, and for ideas.
Give it up. Everyone’s wasting their time. The Republican Party in Virginia died yesterday. The wake will be on May 2nd.
Virginia now has two Democrat parties… both pandering for votes from those that want big government and handouts (free bubble-up and all the moonpies you can eat.)
Obviously, the party elite cannot be trusted - they have no principles and it appears their only desire to accumulate personal power — ahhh to be the “king maker.”
It will be interesting to watch when the party elite figure out that they have to personally cover the funding shortfalls and personally knock on doors because they have alienated those of us who are the “grass roots” of campaigns.
Good luck to the elites and wear comfortable shoes.
“AWCheney and Glendell Hill are very exicted about Jeff Fredrick getting ousted. He was not their kind of Republican.”
As so are Supervisors Martian Nohe and Maureen At-at-it-again.
We need to send theses gutless closet liberals packing and start rebuilding America one newly-elected real conservative at a time.
Jeff Frederick has guts and a spine and yes he was right comparing Obama to Bin Laden.
RINO’s want America destroyed so that afterwards they’ll be honored as Statesmen by the Democrats that are destroying it right before our eyes.
iT’S NOT THE RINOS. THESE ARE SELFISH PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING. THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE IS A BUNCH OF OLD WAY SOUTHERNS OR NO WAY.
THEY ARE THEIR OWN WOSE ENEMYS.
THEY’VE BEEN PULLING THESE TACTICS LOCALLY AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IN LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
REMEMBER THE MEETING FOR CLERK OF THE COURT? THE FAR RIGHT AND I MEAN THE FAR,FAR RIGHT WAS ALL DECKED OUT FOR FASIL GILL AND THEY WORE MCQUIGG STICKERS.
THERE WERE ODDITIES THAT WENT ON THERE BUT NO ONE COULD PUT IT TOGETHER.
BUT SOME ODD THINGS WERE HAPPENING.
NOW WHERE IS GILL? HOPEFULLY HE WILL STAY LOST AND NOT REAPPEAR.
Frederick was a rising young star??? Give me a break — he was a national-level embarrassment. it’s time for a real respectable intelligent conservative to take over RPV, not a narcissistic self promoter.
Greg - The proxy was removed by a vote of 63-13 so even 5-6 eventual Frederick supporters agreed that the proxy was in violation of party rules.
I would take exception to these obviously demented individuals who have probably, at one time or another, experienced my wrath…assuming they even know anything about me at all, other than what they read on the blogs. I really can’t tell because of the anonymity, which is their right. However, say what you will, I’ve been called worse by better than you…you get that a lot when you follow your conscience and always try to do what you believe is right while trying to maintain a sense of reason. I have a healthy ego and don’t require constant stroking nor validation for my existence, so have at it.
What I find to be most interesting about the bile being displayed here is that I have no doubt that not a ONE of these individuals who are further attempting to divide the Republican Party were EVER a part of the building process in Virginia…only a part of its downfall. The ones who took a solid, viable organization that was build on a strong foundation of true conservative principal where people could actually work together and turned it into an organization where power and personal agenda became the main theme. Well, guess what folks…the voters of Virginia figured it out and they don’t believe that you have their best interests at heart anymore, and they don’t trust you.
Those “geriatrics,” as you call them, who were part of that growing process in Virginia are, indeed, different from you…they put their heart into the Republican Party for their love of the Commonwealth as well as those true conservative principals, and they see what they built being not only subverted, but perverted. Mike Thomas is one those who has hung in there all these years while most of the rest of us have stood by and allowed it to happen for one reason or another…retired from the fray, if you will. He is the LAST person to deserve the venom being spewed at, but mostly about, him (the greatest majority of you haven’t the courage to confront people face to face). By the way NoVA, Mike is, and always has been, from Henrico.
It happens that there was numerous “geriatrics” on BOTH sides of this issue. Gary Byler, Patsy Drain, and Morton Blackwell ALL supported Jeff Frederick in this. Old friends all, we have often had to agree to disagree over the years, but it has never affected our friendship or respect for each other. TO A MAN, and woman, they, and all the others of whom I speak on both sides, have either stated directly, or shown by their actions, that they want this put behind us and find someone who is actually capable of uniting the party and once more making it viable. Perhaps, children, you should try to learn a thing or two from these “geriatrics.”
Statements from RINO’s such as, “uniting the party and once more making it viable” mean what:
1. Become more like the Democraps
2. Bring back conservatism
The answer is simple - #1 become more like the Democraps
They want the RPV to become more like the Democraps under this illusion that it will bring more Democrap leaning drones into the RPV fold.
It’s simply a ruse folks.
It’s time to flush the RPV of RINO’s, both open and closet RINO’s.
Being “moderate” simply means standing in the median of an interstate highway, with your finger up your a$$ struggling to hitch a ride with a passing liberal.
I love it how the “children” always seem to rush right in and manage to validate the very point that the “adults” are trying to make. Please continue.
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oooops I am just going to tell you when I listen and you figure out the time zone difference I am confused. Never was any good at timezones.
I am not sure about the timezones It is almost 9 pacific right now.
I listen 12-2 pm pacific time
So figure out if it goes on now for you being you guys are Eastern time Virginia.
It could be on right now for you guys or it could be 4pm for you guys
Listen live for free but the archives have a small fee. like $1.33 a month
AWCheney the only point you “try” to make is for people to become liberal, big spending Democrats like you and Sheriff Glendell Hill who think they are Republicans. But that’s OK, we know what you really are.
Not being anonymous, Anonymous…the people I respect know better.
AWCheney,
Who Barney Frank?
Good riddance to that idiot.
I suppose Commentary Magazine, which described Frederick as an “inept state chairman”, is run by RINOS.
Or more likely, BVBL is infested with genuine nuts whose grasp of reality is slipping.
I heard AWCheney at the PWC convention last spring, prior to the State Convention where Frederick was elected. It gave me hope, though Marshall seemed to lose with the shenanigans there. Now I don’t know who to believe and I am out of the vapid group, not going to play their games anymore, and only voting solid conservative and prolifers; don’t care what party they’re with. Over and out.
Well, I did tell them to have at it…and children will be children.
AW,
Funny to see you have gotten on the “wrong side” of the sycophants. Although I’m guessing it doesn’t bother you much, it’s always fun to watch the mob turn on a dime. They hardly remember when you were one of the faithful (when you were on Greg’s side).
The problem with mobs who don’t think for themselves is that you never know when the maximum leader will have them turn on you.
Remember the good old days when you agreed with Greg and everybody defended you against the attacks from Jim Young? Where are those fair-weather friend now?
To those of you making petty, childish insane personal comments about AW — grow up, if that’s possible. Learn how to actually discuss an issue instead of engaging in disgusting, juvenile namecalling.
Sorry to see Jeff go, but at least now he doesn’t have to quit his delegate position.
This does not mean RPV will be run by Democrats you idiots! RPV should be run by a COMPETENT INTELLIGENT RESPECTABLE conservative, not a douchebag of the likes of Jeff Frederick. There are plenty of good choices out there. There will be a new election at the convention. Let’s find the conservative newcomer who can pull this together. It’s all too obvious that Frederick wasn’t up to the task.
“Funny to see you have gotten on the “wrong side” of the sycophants. Although I’m guessing it doesn’t bother you much, it’s always fun to watch the mob turn on a dime. They hardly remember when you were one of the faithful (when you were on Greg’s side).”
Charles, it’s funny to see just how little you know about me. I’m on nobody’s “side.” I do, and say, what I believe to be right…there’s no “side” to that. It is what it is.
Greg is no less a friend just because I disagree with him, just as Gary, Patsy, and Morton are no less friends, for the same reason. That’s the problem with this new crop of so-called conservatives…they think that they have ALL the answers and only they are allowed a viewpoint. The reality is, no one has all the answers, and friendship most certainly does not depend upon who is right or wrong. We’re all entitled to our opinion, and entitled to express it…and it’s a very sad person whose friendship is dependent upon whether you agree with them or not. Are you a sad person, Charles?
Charles, You might have been friends with AWCheney and had a childish fight with her, but she was never a friend of mine. Don’t include me in your childish ways.
I wish an elected Republican would stand on the floor of Congress and have the guts to say what Fredrick stated - Obama is just like Bin Laden.
That would cause Chris Matthews to really pee his pants.
Panty-waisted members of the RPV are merely gutless mid-roaders searching for a place to park their pompous liberal souls hoping that as Obama continues to destroy America, they’ll have a place to park their feelings upon the ash heap of liberty and free enterprise.
Anonymous,
How shocking that you would label Sheriff Hill a “Republican”!! Why the
hell would a real Republican command his employees to vote for a
Democrat??? Oh, I forgot….Hill is black and he just wanted his deputies
to prove their lack of racism by voting for Obama, don’t you get it?
As for AWCheney, I will admit that I don’t know her…nor do I want to,
for that matter. After reading her posts, she strikes me as an egotistical
blow hard who thinks she has all the answers! Get over yourself,
already!
AWC, you’re trying to talk sense to people who lack knowledge (historical and current) and judgement. Your creds in the Party are impeccable. You’ve paid your dues. I know you to be someone who sticks rigorously to your conservative political principles even when it runs against your private personal interests.
I guess your being called a “big-spending Democrat” defines the outer limits of wacked out, empty-headedness that has tried to attach itself to our Party.
NoVA Scout, people with conservative political principles would not support the liberal, big spenders who are Democrats that just think they are Republicans like you and AW Cheney.
You and her are starting to believe your own Bull Sh*t.
Anon 2045: For example? Give me facts. I’ve been around the Republican Party long enough to know the difference between Rs and Ds. In 45 years of political involvement, I’ve never supported any candidate who didn’t have a strong anchor out to the right. AWC’s record is even better than mine. She has been a lot more active at the non-national level.
It’s pretty simple. When AWC was saying things that people here liked, she was the cat’s meow. When she says something they don’t like, she’s an evil democratic liberal spawn.
The mob blindly follows, and attacks those who stray in any way from the mob’s path. That says little about those being attacked, and volumes of those whose opinion of a writer is based on what they read in the last 5 minutes.
It’s like a fan who calls for the quarterback’s head every time they lose a game. They soon would run out of quaterbacks.
Now, I’ve not been impressed by the “conservative credentials” of some who claim to be conservatives, but that is a matter of policy discussion, and is no call for the childish rants that pass for “civil discourse” by the mob.
I voted for Frederick last year, and don’t hold the low opinion of him that some who opposed him appear to. However, my personal opinion is that, regardless of the reasons why, when your job is to run the REPUBLICAN party, a job which primarily consists of providing whatever support is needed by the elected republican politicians as well as the challengers to incumbent democrats, and when a vast majority of those elected officials think your continued service is a hindrance rather than a help, that belief itself is enough to support the call for a change of leadership.
57-18 is not a few disgruntled old-time good-old-boys; our congressional delegation is not made up of RINOs (anymore), and there are more than a few conservative house and senate members who deserve to be taken more seriously than it appears some are able to do. I appreciate that our party representatives supported the choice we made last year, but I’m ready to move on for the good of the party and conservative principles. We help nobody if we continue infighting.
Nova Scout:
Thanks for the facts about Mike Thomas. I’ll retract my paranoid comments about the RPV good ole boys trying to screw Northern Virginia. In stead, I’ll go back to my thesis that Bob McDonnell ought to be the focus of the Republican Party over the next 12 months. Clever candidates for statewide office are more important than clever party chairmen. Hopefully, McDonnell will be able to swim among the sharks of the RPV and make Virginia a two party state again.
Well , Groveton, as AWC pointed out, I was wrong about his origins. AWC tells us he’s from Henrico. Not sure where my head was on that one. But Frederick was hardly representative of the NoVA electorate, Republican or otherwise. He had precisely the kind of profile that was taking us down up here electorally (no bio, no accomplishment outside of politics) so, if geographic representation is a key driver in who should hold that slot (I don’t think it should be, but I understand your earlier point), Frederick is not much of a help. We can do better.
I have regional issues in the Legislature about how NoVA’s fiscal contributions are not properly recognized in policy formulation. I think you have written on this frequently. There remains, although I think its days are numbered, an archaic imbalance in power that dilutes the population and tax contribution of the counties north of the Rappahannock. Nonetheless, I don’t think the provenance of the Chairman of the RPV will change that.
It was a very sad day for Democrats, most of whom advocated making Jeff chairman for life. I was at a House Republican Caucus event last fall and was in a room talking/listening to 5 or 6 House members, who referred to Jeff as a “…a turd who couldn’t lead water down a urinal…”, these were pretty harsh words coming from his own members.
I’m waiting for the real fiscal and social conservatives in America, and in Virginia, to someday realize they don’t have a real party, that the GOP plays them for saps. John McCain for President? Funny. Bush’s Presidency? Grew Government to a huge level, was so sloppy with oversight that the economy is in a bad way, stretched the military thin and flat-out ABUSED the commitments made by our fighting men and women, and engaged in massive “nation building”.
The SPEECHWRITERS “share your values”, and the political consultants. Not the party or those who run it. It’s all one big marketing campaign.
If Obama does 10% of the asinine and self-destructive things that Bush lazily did, the right wing will have good reason to hate him the way they do (and pray for his/our failure).
Wake up and smell the coffee. The GOP is a bad joke and its time has passed. Let’s make Bush’s god-awful Presieency its last gasp. How about a new party, how about a choice for Americans.
NoVa Scout:
OK. Thanks for the clarification. My paranoia is restored. As for Henrico - I see the politicos (elected and unelected) from Henrico as the axis of evil in the Old Dominion. I can think of no place that works harder to maintain the status quo. I can think of no place that takes greater unfair advantage of the idiotic funding formulae used in Virginia (particularly for education). The fact that the RPV would go back to the epicenter of old boy, smoke filled, opaque politics for its interim leader confirms my decision to start voting for select Democrats (instead of only Republicans). Everybody in NoVA, Tidewater, Charlottesville, etc needs to see the Richmond based rip-off for what it is. And the central stage for that rip-off is Henrico County, VA. If the RPV would have found somebody from Danville, Winchester, Bath County, Tidewater, NoVa - anywhere but the Richmond suburbs - I would have had to consider myself a bit unduly paranoid. But not any more. My paranoia is reinforced. The RPV is the party of old time-y Virginia politics - of the Richmond establishment, by the Richmond establishment and for the Richmond establishment.
If you are from anywhere in Virginia besides greater Richmond, it’s reasonable and fair to believe that the old boy network from Richmond really is out to get you - or at least your money.
Sarah Palin is the perfect tool to run in 2012. Popular, good-looking, full of self-confidence, but vapid and easy to manipulate. The woman would hardly be running things, any more than Reagan or Bush Jr. were. She’d be a great figurehead and the continuing sellout of America to global capitalism, just as Bush was.
“If you are from anywhere in Virginia besides greater Richmond, it’s reasonable and fair to believe that the old boy network from Richmond really is out to get you - or at least your money.”
That’s just like saying that everybody in Northern Virginia is a closet socialist, isn’t it Groverton? Henrico has always been the seat of consistent political conservatism in Virginia, and Republican ever since the Party became the conservative party in Virginia in 1973. And Mike Thomas happens to be one of the most honorable of those conservatives. Sweeping generalizations serve no good purpose but to divide potential allies. Besides, Mike has NEVER held elected political office…he, as I, chose the political activist route rather than that of politician. Your statement is grossly unfair.
Groveton - I share a lot of your concerns except in the context of this most recent issue with Frederick. Regardless of where Frederick is from, regardless of where his replacement (temporary or permanent) is from, I don’t see the NoVA/RoVA thing at work here.
What you describe as the old-time, Richmond-centric politics is a problem, as well as something that should long ago have become an anachronism. But my take on it is not just that things are still far more Richmond-centric than they should be based on all the data about population, tax base, economics etc., but also an irrational fixation on the General Assembly as the fish pond from which our stock of leadership comes. To me the GA and service in it is an absolute demerit for statewide office candidates that can only be overcome by a huge showing of competence in other areas. I think the problem would fade away pretty quickly if folks would just avoid the GA as a stopping off place for statewide office.
Henrico County was one of the counties in Virginia that used the Mark Warner tax hike (ostensibly for education) to get more state support for education in the county while lowering their property taxes and, therefore, their contribution to their own schools. This was from a county that has one of the highest per capita income level in the state (a level that is even higher than it appears when adjusted for cost of living vs. NoVA). If shoveling off responsibility for your own children’s education is a hallmark of “consistent conservatism” then I am glad to have started voting for Democrats.
Here are the gory details:
http://www.forwardfairfax.com/papers/withdrawals.html
Hint: Make sure to open the PDF at the end and look up Henrico County. Where is Prince William County on this list? Oh yeah - PWC isn’t on the list because PWC didn’t reduce their local support for education like Henrico County did.
AWC - I assume that you are from Northern Virginia. If so, you are typical of the voters in NoVA who never quite understand the dollars and cents of how the Richmond Cabal is robbing us blind. And that cabal has moved its HQ from the City of Richmond to Henrico County.
In 2010 there will be a US Census. In 2011 the results of that census will be used in the Virginia elections. The RPV has about two years to come to grips with reality by giving up on the Richmond cabal as the souce of its power in the state. The Democrats have already figured this out. But, then again, nobody ever accused the Republicans of being the smarter of the two parties.
If you’ve started voting for Democrats Groveton, it couldn’t be that you are one of those people who helped put Obama in charge of the raping of the American taxpayer and their progeny, would you? THAT is, and will continue to, rob us blind…in perpetuity.
“helped put Obama in charge of the raping of the American taxpayer and their progeny”
or, one could argue, moving towards paying for what we spend, and trying in some responsible fashion to clean up the cluster-**** that was made for him.
Everyone who voted for Bush should just have the ***damn sense to just never vote again. Just withhold your opinion.
AWC - My votes are mixed. For example, I voted for Frank Wolf.
But enough of the past.
Here is my first analysis of the upcoming governor’s race (11/09):
http://grovetonsvirginia.wordpress.com/
I am trying to keep it even-handed. Let me know if I succeeded.
Groveton - I linked. Liked the site. Thought you summed it up well. What’s an objective guy like you doing hanging out here? My take on this has been that Deeds is their best candidate, but I’m sort of hoping that the Dems will boot it away by running one of the other two. I also can see a scenario developing where we get a boost if the external economy is still in the tank come autumn and there is large-scale dissatisfaction among voters with the tax and economic policies of the Obama/Dem Congress regime.
“…or, one could argue, moving towards paying for what we spend, and trying in some responsible fashion to clean up the cluster-**** that was made for him.”
As I told someone recently BPCAU, Bush started the slalom run, and Obama is finishing the country off. So, in effect, you did vote for Bush.
Let me give you a better analogy. Bush set up the play, and Obama is making the touchdown. That should satisfy the jocks.
Nova Scout:
Glad you liked the site. I have to tip my hat to Greg L - it’s hard work keeping a blog site going. Anyway, this should be a very interesting race. McDonnell is going be a real tough candidate to beat. He lives in Tidewater, he’s part of the Richmond establishment and he grew up in Northern Virginia. He’s Republican so he’ll do well in the western part of the state. He’ll lose in the urban areas in southern Virginia - places like Petersburg and the City of Richmond have become “no go” zones for Republican candidates. He sweep the western counties although there aren’t that many votes there. He’ll take Tidewater with ease. Which brings us back to two key areas - Northern Virginia and suburban Richmond. If the Dems have either Moran or McAulliffe - I think they will struggle against McDonnell. He’s going to get enough votes in NoVA to win (even though he’ll lose NoVA to either of them). Deeds has a better chance. He’ll get votes in NoVA just by being a Democrat (and a genuinely good guy). He’ll do well in suburban Richmond and will wim nore votes than people thing in the western counties (He’s from Bath County).
Of course, all of this will change if McAulliffe runs up a campaign war chest that is 2X - 3X the nearest competitor. His relentless “I will create jobs” might play better than expected outside NoVA.
Excellent analysis, Groveton…and I also checked out your site. It is balanced, which is very difficult to accomplish…that’s something to which I can speak. I tried blogging, the hard way. I put an enormous amount of research into my posts, but was unable to continue due to illness. I’m hoping that I’ll be able to pick it up again. I truly wish you luck with it…we need some balance out there.
Wow…I actually read all of the comments here and can say without a doubt that the Republican Party in Virginia is, indeed, in serious trouble. I cannot believe the pettiness, childishness, and mob mentality that I see. Are there, or are there not, some basic principles of being a Republican? If so, then if any person toes the lines of those basic principles, they are indeed a Republican. I know that Jeff Frederick is a fine Republican. He just didn’t have what it takes to keep this party on track. That’s no shame. He is a fine conservative.
This party needs someone who can do the job and hopefully will make the right decisions going forward. Judge our leaders based on facts, not emotions and a sense of geographical pride.
Yeah, we may need to go door to door, but why did we ever stop going door to door in the first place? What do the majority of the centrist public really know about us? We know each other quite well, but I daresay that the majority of the voting public really don’t know us at all as of late. We do a whole lot of finger pointing at the democraps, but what are we holding up to the public? I daresay it’s mostly finger pointing and a paranoid sounding platform. The message is not wrong, but the delivery of it is.
“As I told someone recently BPCAU, Bush started the slalom run, and Obama is finishing the country off. So, in effect, you did vote for Bush.”
I never said that I voted for Obama. However, I would say he is charting a different course than Bush was. Rather than a blank check to the ruling class, he is insisting on some level of new regulation and governance on the bailed out companies. I do approve of this, for the current situation.
I didn’t realize that you were actually a Socialist, BPCAY. If you really study what is happening, it’s really only the next step in the control of the private sector by the Executive Branch. First you begin to restrict the liberty of the individual; then you begin to subvert the other branches of government, and manipulate them into abrogating their powers (the threat of marshal law is very effective); next you ruin the economy and create panic; the next step is nationalizing industry…and here we are. Unfortunately, we are on the fast track to the end game.
“He just didn’t have what it takes to keep this party on track.”
How about the last 4 chairmen?
As long as RPV continues chewing up and spitting out chairmen, well…
And here’s a perfect example of the kind of good thing that can happen - companies that use taxpayer money protecting American jobs rather than helping to build China’s and India’s economies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/06/AR2009040601189.html?hpid=sec-business
I don’t believe in Socialism
But neither do I believe in unchecked capitalism - history shows that government regulation and intervention are necessary to keep it going
America at its best is a combination of the two
Whereas both parties have dedicated themselves to unchecked global capitalism, and here are the glorious results. The engine is crashing.
“But neither do I believe in unchecked capitalism - history shows that government regulation and intervention are necessary to keep it going”
That presupposes that we have an Executive Branch that actually believes in enforcing the laws that they have been directed to enforce by the Legislative Branch…such as the Sherman Antitrust Act. Just as they have chosen to disregard our immigration laws for at least the past decade, if not longer, the Executive has taken it upon itself to pursue an agenda through lack of enforcement which has made the Legislative irrelevant, except insofar as the pursuit of the agenda of the Chief Executive. Coincidence that the last President had a solid Party block in the Legislature as does the current? I think not.
Don’t think for a moment that imbuing our Executive Branch with MORE power is going to solve any problems for the average citizen. Don’t bury your head in the sand…take a REAL look at what’s going on. Then get back to me when you’ve realized that you’ve supported government control of every element of our lives…our health, our wealth, our freedom, our very existence!
I take your point. The optimal point for us all involves some government regulation though.
My head’s not in the sand. We need a new political party, short of that we’ll be run by crooks and liars. Obama doesn’t make me shudder so much - but Pelosi and Reid do.
Obama has yet to prove himself to be a wild-eyed socialist. I’m hoping he won’t. I hoping he’ll be a moderate, like Clinton. I do believe that Clinton’s budgets and tax policy and general governance were a big factor in how great the 90’s were for America.
By the way BPCAY, what I said was, “I didn’t realize that you were actually a Socialist,” suggesting, of course, that I was surprised by the comment I was referencing. By your commentary on previous threads, I had thought you were more astute than that.
AWC:
Thanks for the comments on my blog site. Once you start a blog site you realize how much work people like Greg L put into sites like this. Whether you agree with Greg or not - he’s providing a valuable free service that encourages debate on a critical issue. Now, if I could manage to write and publish one post for every 50 on this site I’d be doing a lot better.
Just a tip, Groveton…put your website address on your sign-in. That way people can click on your “name” on your comments and go to your blog.
57-18. I don’t think too many people like him. They might agree with him, but it doesn’t look they like him. Boils down to just that - how you do what you do.