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By Greg L | 12 May 2009 | Uncategorized | 50 Comments

It’s been a while, so here’s your chance to have at it…

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  1. Chameleon said on 12 May 2009 at 6:52 pm:
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    Wow! I thought illegal immigrants just wanted to work!!

    guess not….


    the above fool has over 25 alias’s and has been deported twice, and a felon to boot. These are the scum that are in our midst every day we walk out our door, it’s pretty scary….

  2. TedKennedysSwimInstructor said on 12 May 2009 at 7:01 pm:
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    Martian Nohe is offering a special discount for all anti-bvbl she-men that can defrost a fridge in Woodbridge simply by farting from Haymarket.

  3. Anonymous said on 12 May 2009 at 7:43 pm:
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    OH my gosh - you are KILLING ME, TedKennedy!!!!!! LMAO!!!

  4. Come to the Dark Side We have Cookies said on 12 May 2009 at 9:14 pm:
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    BTW - love the fact that Gainesville Resident has called out KG several times for her to apologize for calling him a racist/bigot/Nazi. And when she finally did, he refused to take it!!

    Their new resident nutjob (Shelly B) is claiming that a former Nazi who killed over 29,000 in a concentration camp was “just following orders” and shouldn’t be deported or put on trial.

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    M-H, sorry. You got the word deport from the article. Teach me to write before reading. I suppose this man was just following orders, which is another mitigating circumstance. There were memos that said the concentration camps were legal. Another mitigating circumstance.

  5. Big Dog said on 13 May 2009 at 7:34 am:
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    Did anyone attend the Manassas Park City Council
    meeting last night that focused on the MP proposed
    FY2010 budget? Have they decided on a tax rate?

  6. L.D. Abloe said on 13 May 2009 at 11:36 am:
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    Here’s a entertaining evening: Congressman Gerry Connolly is having a presentation on “Conservation Opportunities in the 11th District” the evening of May 27th at the Buckland Farm in Gainesville. If by “conservation,” Jerry intends to turn the rest of the 11th District into the cesspool that Fairfax County morphed into during his reign as BOCS supervisor, it means he’s going to turn his District over to illegal aliens.

  7. Bwana said on 13 May 2009 at 12:45 pm:
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    I want to know if the last legal page has been closed on the Steve Chapman matter…it’s been over two years, after all.

  8. Greg L said on 13 May 2009 at 12:48 pm:
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    Bwana, that lawsuit dies for lack of the plaintiff pursuing it this June. There will be an update, trust me.

  9. Rocky said on 13 May 2009 at 12:50 pm:
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    I would like to take the opportunity to brag about my hero,
    Sheriff Richard K. Jones, of Butler County Ohio. He has the
    right kind of attitude and enjoys overwhelming popular support
    amongst his constituents. Right on Sheriff Jones!!!


  10. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 13 May 2009 at 1:11 pm:
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    I would like to argue about something. So here goes.

    The photos of US personnel torturing prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq should be released. Apparently the Obama Administration is going to petition the court to withhold them, and this is wrong.

    I am sympathetic to the arguement that the release will inflame passions amongst the idiots who populate the Middle Eastern nations, and make life more difficult for our soldiers.

    While I believe that we should be doing all that we can to give our soldiers the best operational environment that we can, I don’t think it appropriate that we let the idiocy and bigotry of a zombie-fied group of barbarians influence public policy in the US. To me, if we change the rules on torture, or on disclosure of government materials, in some small way “the terrorists win”. We should live ouir lives openly and in no fear of every imbecile with a bedsheet and a boxcutter.

    I have no particular love for the ACLU or with other organizations who want to raise political hay with these pictures. However, I do not fear the truth. I am sure that most Americans’ reaction to the pictures would be “so what”, and appropriately so.

    Though we have enemies, there is no state of war. Let’s abide by our laws and not suppress what is real. We should acknowledge what happened in these facilities, absorb it and learn from it.

    We are ceding moral high ground when we behave like this, in ways prejudiced for our rights (i.e. to torture without disclosure) and against the rights of others. I’d rather reclaim that moral high ground, and if it helps Al Quaida’s recruiting efforts, just invest in that many more tanks for these worthless morons to immolate themselves against the side of. To me the “fight” against Islamo-fascism shouldn’t involve suppressing information or baheving in any way as if we are scared of what these people think or what feeble actions they may undertake against us. I consider it lilly-livered to keep these pictures under wraps for the primary reason that people who already do nothing for us “won’t like it”.

    My position is still that these people should have their faces rubbed in the non-existence of their God and the non-superiority of their culture. I still favor, for example, using an all-female brigade over there in Iraq so as to point out their lack of manhood in failing to defend and secure teir own country. The pictures will only highlight that we control their destiny, regardless of how many times a day these morons sit on rugs and pray to Allah for virgins.

  11. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 13 May 2009 at 1:15 pm:
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    AND I still think that of all George W.’s blunders, one of the most mind-boggling was that he gave Iraq all of their oil to live their decadent anti-American lives with rather than taking some. He just gave it away. For nothing. Despite the obvious fact that this war was about oil and not much more.

    The rest of the world treats us like a parent who has spoiled the child - they depend on us but feel free to insult us at will. This is why. We undertook this massive effort in Iraq, and walked away with no tangible winnings. GWB even agreed not to establish more military bases there.

  12. Walter E. Kurtz said on 13 May 2009 at 2:35 pm:
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    Sadly, BothParties, that was not W’s biggest blunder. The biggest one was disbanding the Iraqi Army.

  13. Brian Leeper said on 13 May 2009 at 3:28 pm:
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    “Did anyone attend the Manassas Park City Council
    meeting last night that focused on the MP proposed
    FY2010 budget? Have they decided on a tax rate?”

    Yes and no, in that order.

    I saw $1.65 with a separate trash fee of approx $14.50 a month.

  14. Brian Leeper said on 13 May 2009 at 3:30 pm:
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    Also, someone suggested during the public hearing that Manassas Park should revert to town status. This is the first time I’ve heard anyone publicly speak of the idea.

  15. DeMaan said on 13 May 2009 at 5:21 pm:
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    Murders by illegals continues to rise although with tough politics, it could be zero.

    Gang activity increases (murder, drugs and terror mongers) continues which again could be eliminated by tough politicians.

    Business signs in Herndon are in a foreign language obviously aimed at other potential customers who most likely don’t speak English.

    Buildings are disfigured with graffitti, which ends up being an additionaly cost to the legals.

    Neighborhoods have residents that every weekend turn up the volume of their spanish music. Lawns are decorated with gaudy decorations. Corn stalks grow in front yards. Roosters crow in the morning from the backyard and cars are parked with what would appear three to four different families living in the residence.

    Emergency rooms are almost dedicated to foreign patients (I wonder why, ….no insurance, no job, result is emergency room use for colds, abrasions, etc…..making the legals, with insurance, wait longer at
    the hospital.

    Unemployment is at a record high and the illegals have jobs that nowadays I am sure would be performed by legals.

    Social services being provided to illegals at the expense of the legal taxpayer. Children of illegals are getting educations based upon the taxes that are being paid by the legals.

    Now, for the other side of the coin. For all of the above, we get in return people that wave their mexican flags in our faces, tell us that this is really their country and will work cheap. Is it worth it to the legals???

  16. DeMaan said on 13 May 2009 at 5:23 pm:
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    OH….did I forget to mention what has happened to our 7-11’s. Now they are squattered by illegals looking for work, using the landscape as a urinal during a day of drinking beer (just look at the pictures from those sites)

  17. park'd said on 13 May 2009 at 7:26 pm:
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    I have been feeling so bad lately I didn’t go to the MP meeting last night. This pollen is killing me and has drained me completely. I figured nothing I could do about it anyway since they are deadset on making this city a state-wide laughing stock with a property tax rate 25-50% higher than anywhere else. Good luck getting any new home owners or businesses coming our way now with that kind of tax burden. We are already languishing under the highest foreclosure rate in the state so why not finish us all off with a new tax rate to prevent anyone else from coming in or stop any chance we had of selling our homes. Town status and then a fold into PWC can’t happen soon enough.

  18. Big Dog said on 13 May 2009 at 8:07 pm:
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    Mr. Leeper, thank you for the information on the
    Manassas Park City Council meeting last night.

  19. Anonymous said on 13 May 2009 at 9:12 pm:
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    I wish the newspaper had been there to actually cover the MP meeting in its entirety instead of bits and pieces here.

    [Ed note: I wish we had a local paper that was actually interested in covering local news. Since there isn’t, you have to look to a wider variety of venues for information, including this one. As the mainstream media continues to cut staff and print pages, expect the internet to become an increasingly more important source of information.]

  20. Tillie said on 13 May 2009 at 9:38 pm:
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    What a fizzle for the Capitals tonight!!!

  21. Anonymous said on 13 May 2009 at 9:55 pm:
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    BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 13 May 2009 at 1:11 pm: Flag comment

    I would like to argue about something. So here goes.

    Okay, no more waterboarding of terrorists. We’ll behead them just as they do to their hostages. Even Steven? An eye for an eye? Sounds good to me!

  22. FED UP said on 14 May 2009 at 6:09 am:
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    Anonymous said on 13 May 2009 at 9:55 pm: Flag comment

    AMEN to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. Anonymous said on 14 May 2009 at 6:38 am:
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    Agreed, funny about how terrorists treat their hostages, yet if we use waterboarding (less extreme than their torture/killing methods) everyone is angry with us. Crazy stuff, can’t figure out why everyone is so concerned about terrorists being subjected to waterboarding, given how they treat their “prisoners of war”. Most of their prisioners don’t live to talk about what torture they endured prior to being killed.Seems like double standard of sorts. Problem is, it is the American public that has that double standard, which is hard to figure out.

  24. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 14 May 2009 at 8:54 am:
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    everyone is angry with us? Probably not. We need to collectively stop worrying about silly criticisms like that.

    I’m all for an eye for an eye and all for the death penalty. I’m not for organized torture like the “SuperMax” facilities. Death is much preferable to that.

  25. BothPartiesColludeAgainstYou said on 14 May 2009 at 8:56 am:
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    SuperMax is much crueler than waterboarding by a factor of 1000+. It is, to me, insane and evil. But not a political football so everyone accepts it.

  26. Bill Kilgore said on 14 May 2009 at 8:58 am:
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    Any successful military tactician and strategist recognized the utility and worth of prisoners, and did not squander such an asset. Alexander the Great incorporated them into his Armies. Vlad the Impaler frightened the Turkish army away by putting their heads on stakes in the advancing Turks’ path.

    Waterboarding or any similar treatment simply to exact revenge is stupid. It’s a waste of an asset. On the other hand, it’s a tool that works, and it’s similarly stupid to take it out of the toolbox.

  27. Anonymous said on 14 May 2009 at 10:43 am:
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    BothParties: you are right, should not have said “everyone is angry with us” in regards to waterboarding, etc. Good analogy to SuperMax - agreed, not political issue unlike waterboarding.I’m sure SuperMax is a very horrible place, cannot be any fun for those who are there. I too support the death penalty for the really heinous crimes (pre-meditated murder and such).

  28. Muttley said on 14 May 2009 at 7:14 pm:
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    Brian Leeper,
    I also agree that the 25 MPH on Man Dr. is unrealistic or even a money grab (as well as the tax rate and the implementation of it). Thanks for making the points that you did. I have a hard time believing that the city has become so fat that it cannot sustain itself without gouging its citizens and businesses (mostly from what I saw was a severe gouge at business in MP). The thing that bothered me the most was the FD’s representative that lives in an apartment. He doesn’t even pay taxes in the city, so why should he stand on behalf of the FD. I was a little confused. I fully agree that the FD gets its fair share, but from someone who doesn’t pay property tax???

  29. What I know said on 14 May 2009 at 7:25 pm:
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  30. Anonymous said on 15 May 2009 at 6:48 am:
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    Help Save Maryland Press Release

    With the full knowledge and financial/in-kind support of the Montgomery County Government and County Council, Montgomery County Police and the States Attorney’s Office, the “Safe Silver Spring Summit” scheduled for Saturday May 16, has turned from an open community event into a CASA of Maryland anti-citizen spectacle.

    CASA of Maryland offices and phone lines, funded by Montgomery County Taxpayers are being used to register participants! Call the Summit Registration Phone Number and don’t forget to Press “1″ for English!

    A number of leading citizen groups including Help Save Maryland, have been dropped from the Montgomery College Takoma Park/Silver Spring campus event due to the demands of the illegal alien support group CASA of Maryland.

    This biased event is another example of the poor leadership and questionable values of Montgomery County Executive Ike Leggett and the entire Montgomery County Council, where citizens are dropped from running summit workshops in taxpayer funded events but hate filled groups like CASA of Maryland can call the shots.

    Members of Help Save Maryland will be present at the event to represent all Maryland Citizens and to speak out against the lawless policies and priorities of the Montgomery County Government and County Council.

    CASA of Maryland is the problem not the solution.

    Fight Crime - Don’t Import It!!

    Brad Botwin, Director, Help Save Maryland

  31. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 15 May 2009 at 2:24 pm:
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    H.R. 1868, the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
    “Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) introduced H.R. 1868, the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009. H.R. 1868 would end the process of granting automatic birthright citizenship to the babies born in the United States to illegal aliens.”


  32. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 15 May 2009 at 2:40 pm:
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    “”I feel a bit bad, a bit frustrated by all the people that promised things,” Galindo said in Spanish. “The candidates who promise things when they’re running, but don’t comply when they realize most of us are not voters; the organizations that offer but then don’t help; the representatives from my government (Mexico) who didn’t collaborate with us, and not being a documented immigrant myself, I was only able to take things so far.”"


  33. Anonymous said on 15 May 2009 at 3:33 pm:
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    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 15 May 2009 at 2:40 pm: Flag comment


    Boo Hoo! That’s a real tear jerker of a story. I feel so bad for those day laborers (NOT!)

  34. I'm just saying... said on 15 May 2009 at 4:20 pm:
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    What The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 15 May 2009 at 2:24 pm:

    You know, I don’t think anyone should be granted citizenship based on an accident of birth. I would make citizenship contingent upon a test while granting extra credit and perhaos a fast track for Military or public service. I would make the rules the same regardless of a person’s birthplace (think what that would do for Military recruiting! I think I remember this being the case during Viet Nam… citizenship for service… but my memory is a bit fuzzy these days).

    We are all “accidents of birth” lucky enough to be born in this country. Since I think we all agree that Citizenship is a privilege, lets make everyone earn it.

  35. citizenofmanassas said on 15 May 2009 at 10:35 pm:
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    Both Parties,

    I’m sorry but the cave pigs that we are fighting now do not have any morals. Anyone who thinks we have lost the moral high ground to these pig f’ers is too stupid to try and explain the difference.

  36. citizenofmanassas said on 15 May 2009 at 10:36 pm:
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    Nathens or Klines? Or have we had this debate before?

  37. Come to the Dark Side We have Cookies said on 15 May 2009 at 11:24 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 15 May 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Best part of that article:

    “But while other New Jersey municipalities passed anti-loitering ordinances aimed at day laborer gathering areas, former Passaic Mayor Samuel Rivera pushed for building a hiring hall and heralded it as a humane approach to dealing with the growing day laborer population. Rivera removed city parking spaces from the front of the center so contractors could pull up to it, and instructed the police not to give loitering tickets to day laborers who used it.

    Rivera has since gone to prison on federal corruption charges.”

  38. Anonymous said on 16 May 2009 at 4:34 pm:
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    The fire fighter who spoke lives in Haverhill Apartment. If he didn’t pay rent, how would his landlord pay taxes? Yes, he isn’t a taxpayer the way you or I are, but I think should have a voice even if he isn’t a homeowner. If you live in a community (unless it is 15 in a two bedroom townhome), you are paying into a community someway or another. He pays rent, personal property, and decal if he lives in Manassas Park.

  39. chameleon said on 16 May 2009 at 5:19 pm:
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    try getting swiss citizenship…look into what it takes, just being born in switzerland doesnt automatically qualify, no matter who your parents are. it’s the way it should be.

  40. Brian Leeper said on 16 May 2009 at 8:05 pm:
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    “If he didn’t pay rent, how would his landlord pay taxes?”

    If I were a landlord here in MP, I would make sure my tenants knew full well what portion of their rent goes to feed the tax pig.

  41. Brian Leeper said on 16 May 2009 at 8:44 pm:
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    Especially when I had to keep jacking the rent up more every year because the pig keeps getting hungrier.

  42. Dave in PWC said on 18 May 2009 at 10:13 pm:
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    Your tax dollars at work right here in PWC. The life flight helicopter landed yesterday in my neighborhood to take the illegal alien hispanic stabbing victim off on an all tax payer paid expensive helicopter ride to a hospital. How do I know he was an illegal? I asked him and he cussed me out, in Spanish and English while he was on the gurney waiting for his private ride to arrive. Read all about it in today’s online version of the MJM.

  43. Kris said on 20 May 2009 at 8:45 am:
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    Sorry, but what is “MJM”?

  44. TDB said on 20 May 2009 at 10:03 am:
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    Manassas Journal Messenger (local paper)

  45. Kris said on 20 May 2009 at 12:42 pm:
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    Thanks, TDB.

  46. Brian said on 20 May 2009 at 5:06 pm:
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    Shameless Plug:

    New article on JohnLBrownlee.com : Is John Brownlee a Competent Attorney?

    When questioned why he appeared to be breaking federal laws and DOD regulations by continuing to act as U.S. Attorney while he was on active duty, Brownlee said, “he did not know about the directive when he was first activated in January.” [1] The interviewer evidently didn’t know what it means to be a JAG officer, which Brownlee was…

  47. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 20 May 2009 at 6:38 pm:
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    Marie Watteau
    (202) 785-1670

    May 20, 2009


    Washington, DC-NCLR (National Council of La Raza), the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, today praised two encouraging signs of progress toward comprehensive immigration reform: the introduction of the “Reuniting Families Act” by Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), and Charles Schumer (D-NY) and the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee Hearing, “Securing the Borders and America’s Points of Entry, What Remains to Be Done.” This important legislation and hearing call attention to the urgent need for action to reform of our broken immigration system.

    “NCLR thanks Senators Menendez, Gillibrand, Kennedy, and Schumer for their continued leadership on reforming the family immigration system. Family unity is a fundamental principle in our country, and it is against our values to separate spouses from one another and parents from their children for up to a decade as we currently do in our outdated immigration system,” said Janet Murguía, NCLR President and CEO.

    The country’s legal immigration system is clogged. Each year, the number of family members who apply for a visa through the family preference categories exceeds the number of visas available, resulting in waiting periods that extend for years and even decades. The “Reuniting Families Act” would make changes to the family preference system so that it is more efficient and U.S. citizens and legal immigrants can reunite with their families.

    In addition to the introduction of the “Reuniting Families Act,” the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees, and Border Security is holding a hearing today on the importance of ensuring that our borders are secure. NCLR commends the Subcommittee on this important hearing to spotlight the need for smart border enforcement that provides a reasonable deterrent against unlawful entry of individuals, drugs, and human traffickers without adversely affecting the lawful flow of goods and commerce.

    NCLR lauds the important steps taken today to engage in the constructive dialogue needed to fix our immigration system. By proposing solutions to the problems in our family immigration system and examining smart border enforcement approaches, the Senate continues its progress toward achieving fair and effective comprehensive immigration reform that is good for the country.”

  48. Dave in PWC said on 21 May 2009 at 9:09 am:
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    The illegal immigrants should change the way things are in their own countries before coming here. They should not leave their families in their own countries, they should stay there and make changes like our ancestors did against England. They should have their own salsa parties. ICE is not breaking up families, nobody is stopping the family from joining the caught guilty illegal immigrant in the country he/she gets deported to.

  49. US Citizen said on 21 May 2009 at 6:38 pm:
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    During May 2009, Verizon Corporation is installing FIOS cable in the Haymarket area. And guess who is doing the job. . . The Verizon subcontractor, S&N Communications, is using gangs of illegal aliens. The local supervisor, the only one who speaks English, claims “everything is in order” since the firm has I-9 Forms on file for all employees.

    This is fraud. S&N Communications hires the illegals and then fills out the I-9 Forms, claiming genuine documents were provided by the individual employee to prove legality. S&N Communication executives are now risking personal liability for corporate malfeasance. How does stiff fines and jail sound?

    US Citizens should contact the Virginia Office of the Attorney General.

    The DHS ICE URL is “mysteriously” malfunctioning today. . . Well, that is pretty much like the Federal Government - but particularly the DHS.

  50. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 21 May 2009 at 8:47 pm:
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    Back on SuperMax, I’m horrified that Obama wants to close down Guantanemo to throw these guys into SuperMax. SuperMax is sick and immoral, a much worse torture than waterboarding et al, and I hope there is a public debate over this.

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